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lastlib

(23,250 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:01 PM Dec 2013

Ooooh--just stoped my fundy relatives in their tracks!

* SMACK! * They were sitting around the living room after dinner (we just had our family Christmas dinner for ones who couldn't be here Christmas day), and the subject of illegal immigrants came up. They were complaining that illegals were here getting government "handouts," and the rest of the usual RW crap. I finally got tired of it, and very innocently asked, "Wasn't Jesus once an illegal immigrant?"

They changed the subject mighty fast!

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Ooooh--just stoped my fundy relatives in their tracks! (Original Post) lastlib Dec 2013 OP
Was he? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #1
he was certainly undocumented. niyad Dec 2013 #10
How was Jesus an illegal immigrant? DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #2
When he appeared on the side of a refrigerator in Dimebox Texas. Walk away Dec 2013 #4
I had a cousin that lived near Dime Box TexasTowelie Dec 2013 #17
Texas has the best town names! nt Walk away Dec 2013 #18
It's called Dime Box not Dime Bag! TexasTowelie Dec 2013 #19
Not too far away is Cut and Shoot, north of Houston. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #22
And Gun Barrel City, near Tyler. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2013 #23
Weed, CA is up near the Oregon border. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #24
And then there's Hell, Michigan. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2013 #25
Not to mention... pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #26
Don't you have to go through Intercourse to get to Paradise? Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2013 #27
Let me sleep on it...I'll give you my answer in the mornin'... :) pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #28
No, you can get there from Fucking..... lastlib Dec 2013 #35
Right down the road from Blue Ball..... jdadd Dec 2013 #32
Hey, I live withing spitting distance from Moonachi, NJ. If you speak Greek... Walk away Dec 2013 #33
Makes sense: There's also Marlin and Winchester. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #29
My favorite is Muleshoe! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2013 #34
I used to live in a wide-spot-in-the-road town not too far from Dime Box, Tx. :D ladyVet Dec 2013 #31
Dimebox or Old Dimebox? nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #42
I'm thinking one has to ignore the Roman Empire thing Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #5
Wasn't Jesus cutting lawns RoccoR5955 Dec 2013 #7
Yeah. Joe Arpaio busted him years ago and he's been wearing pink ever since. madinmaryland Dec 2013 #15
Joseph, Mary & Jesus supposedly fled to Egypt to escape Herod..... lastlib Dec 2013 #13
You didn't need "permission" to travel in those days... brooklynite Dec 2013 #16
Illeagal immigration: The Flight to and from Eygypt, etc. Berlum Dec 2013 #30
I can certainly understand the stunned silence, blank stares and dropping jaws legcramp Dec 2013 #3
ROFL!! WillowTree Dec 2013 #39
Jesus wasn't an immigrant. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #6
What about when his family fled to Egypt? Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #11
But wasn't Egypt rickyhall Dec 2013 #14
That doesn't mean Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #38
Outsider and foreigner are not the same thing as illegal immigrant. DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #40
Tell 'em about this thing here... Bring a mop... freshwest Dec 2013 #8
I got my sister in law with something similar Arger68 Dec 2013 #9
STUN! maced666 Dec 2013 #12
75% of Illegal Immigrants Give Billions to Medicare, Social Security With No Hope of Benefit ErikJ Dec 2013 #20
I have said that for years, from personal experience, Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #41
Tell them to report the immigrants to Homeland Security lpbk2713 Dec 2013 #21
I like that one! lastlib Dec 2013 #36
They are way behind on this treestar Dec 2013 #37

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
4. When he appeared on the side of a refrigerator in Dimebox Texas.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:27 PM
Dec 2013

I'm pretty sure he didn't have a visa.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
17. I had a cousin that lived near Dime Box
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:22 AM
Dec 2013

and she was filthy rich. I wonder if it was her since she was one of the religious zealots?

I've only driven through Dime Box a couple of times though.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
19. It's called Dime Box not Dime Bag!
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:32 AM
Dec 2013


BTW, there is also an Old Dime Box about six miles down the road.
 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
23. And Gun Barrel City, near Tyler.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:13 AM
Dec 2013


Friendly town names, anyone???

I've been to Bald Knob, Arkansas, but haven't been through Hot Coffee, Mississippi.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
24. Weed, CA is up near the Oregon border.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:16 AM
Dec 2013

As far as I can tell the entire economy is based on selling novelty t shirts to people driving past on I-5.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
25. And then there's Hell, Michigan.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:23 AM
Dec 2013

You may have seen the green city sign saying "HELL" with icicles hanging off it.

We in Texas have Hempstead and Hemphill.

The main NW highway out of Houston to Austin is Hempstead Highway, going to the town. Then they turned it into a freeway called 290 (not 420, dammit!)

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
27. Don't you have to go through Intercourse to get to Paradise?
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:30 AM
Dec 2013

That's the joke I heard, and I don't live anywhere near Pennsylvania.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
33. Hey, I live withing spitting distance from Moonachi, NJ. If you speak Greek...
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:04 AM
Dec 2013

it's a little embarrassing.

 

Blanket Statements

(556 posts)
5. I'm thinking one has to ignore the Roman Empire thing
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:28 PM
Dec 2013

Pretend that the crossing into Egypt was as illegal as the family's settlement in Nazarene. I'm unaware of citizen requirements in Israel or restriction of movement under Roman rule but...there must be a story

lastlib

(23,250 posts)
13. Joseph, Mary & Jesus supposedly fled to Egypt to escape Herod.....
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:07 AM
Dec 2013

...you'll have to look up the rest of the story, I'm not that up on it. But I assume that they were in Egypt without permission.

brooklynite

(94,600 posts)
16. You didn't need "permission" to travel in those days...
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:15 AM
Dec 2013

Egypt and Judea were both part of the Roman Empire. People traveled between the provinces regularly.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
30. Illeagal immigration: The Flight to and from Eygypt, etc.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:03 AM
Dec 2013

...And for the esoterically inclined, you could toss in his years studying with the masters in India.

 

legcramp

(288 posts)
3. I can certainly understand the stunned silence, blank stares and dropping jaws
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:27 PM
Dec 2013

on the part of your fundy relatives.

It may not have been for the reason you think it was though.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
38. That doesn't mean
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:44 PM
Dec 2013

that he was not "an outsider" who did not belong there.

Jesus is a Galilean and is referred to as such throughout the Gospels. Our modern conception of nation states did not exist at the time of Jesus, so neither our modern conception of “immigrants.” However, Jesus and his followers are remarked upon throughout the Gospels as “Galileans” and have an outsider status in Jerusalem because they are from client kingdom in the North. This was not a positive association for the residents of Jerusalem. Jesus was thought of in Jerusalem similarly to how Mexican and other Latin American immigrants are thought of in the U.S. based upon “outsider” geo-political status.


http://christiandifferent.com/2008/05/14/seek-the-kingdom-towards-jesus-christ-immigrant/

I do not know how the different parts of the Roman Empire were treated in Jesus' day, but they were not all considered "Rome". But I do know that Egypt was a foreign land to them. Even the Romans still had separate names for all the nations that they conquered, so I would guess that people who were not from a particular area were immigrants. Illegal immigrants, I am not able to say for sure, but I bet Herod would have thought so since they fled to a nation that did not have the decree to kill him.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. Tell 'em about this thing here... Bring a mop...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:10 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:04 AM - Edit history (1)

Pope Francis blessed the 'Jesus the Homeless' sculpture:



VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- A year ago, Timothy Schmalz's bronze sculpture "Jesus the Homeless" had been rejected by St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York and St. Michael's Cathedral in Toronto.

But in late November, Pope Francis blessed the sculpture at one of his weekly general audiences in front of thousands of eager pilgrims. The pontiff touched the knee of the sculpture and prayed for a few moments. Afterward, he told Schmalz he thought the sculpture was a "beautiful piece of art."

When Schmalz saw Pope Francis touch the sculpture, he said, "I thought well that's just it, this sculpture is symbolically representing what he's doing. He's out there touching the homeless people; he's reaching out to them every single day."

Appropriately, "Jesus the Homeless" may have found a permanent home in Rome, very close to the Vatican. The plan is for the sculpture to be placed close to the Vatican Radio offices near the Tiber River in memory of a homeless woman who slept there every night before dying outside in the cold...


http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1305240.htm

to grits.

Do they support public funding for housing for the homeless, food stamps, unemployment benefits to keep people becoming homeless?

And there's the Bible verse:

Jesus said to him: The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. ~ Luke 9:58

I've read some conservative revision of Jesus that say his being a carpenter meant he was well off, also that he had a robe made of one piece showed he was wealthy. Uh, huh...

The idea of a hungry, homeless man is an offense to them, they can't tell the truth about Jesus. They want to judge and abuse.

And Jesus was, dare we say, giving out that free food and free healthcare. I'd say the jig is up.

Oh, and there are some mighty fine verses in the Old Testamant to thump them with... About not mistreating the 'alien' within your borders, as you (the Hebrews) were aliens.

They are in trouble now.

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Arger68

(679 posts)
9. I got my sister in law with something similar
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:30 PM
Dec 2013

once. She was saying something about "illegals" and I just said "who would Jesus deport?" She shut up and changed the subject immediately.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
41. I have said that for years, from personal experience,
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 09:30 PM
Dec 2013

but there is no one listening. I worked at a business in Houston that had mostly illegal Mexican workers. I did the payroll. These guys were not using their own SS numbers, since they didn't have one. But we took payroll taxes from them just the same as from everyone else.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
37. They are way behind on this
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:38 AM
Dec 2013

The new documentation of identity requirements make it harder for illegal immigrants, who are not eligible, to defraud the government.

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