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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:21 PM Dec 2013

Cardinal Dolan: Pope Francis Has 'Shattered The Caricature Of The Church', defends him

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"This pope has successfully, finally shattered the caricature of the church that his predecessors have tried hard to do," Dolan said on ABC's "This Week." "What's that caricature? That the church is kind of mean and dour and always saying no and always telling us what we can't do and always telling us why we should be excluded. He's saying, no, come on in, the church is about warmth and tenderness."

Dolan said that Catholic leaders were surprised by how effective Pope Francis has been at improving the image of the church.

"What we were after was a good pastor with a track record of solid administration but fatherly warm, tender care for the sheep, for his people," Dolan said. "And, boy, we got that on steroids with Pope Francis. He's the world's parish priest."

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"What he says is that the dollar is money, if the economy becomes our God, that's idolatry," Dolan said. "There's only one God and money ain't it, Okay? Money is morally neutral. It's how we use it that makes it sinful or good."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pope-francis-cardinal-dolan-catholic-praise

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Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
2. Francis is an improvement on Ratzinger
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:29 PM
Dec 2013

but that's not saying much. So far, he's saying things that appeal to me on economics and economic fairness but he's still heading up a sexist, homophobic organisation. If he can do something to move the RCC away from those positions, he'll deserve some form of medal.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
3. Whopper: "Money is morally neutral." Sorry,
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:32 PM
Dec 2013

the monetary system is debt based. "Debt based" is not "neutral".

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
10. tools are meant to be used: buttons are made to be pushed, even the Big One
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 04:16 PM
Dec 2013

everyone except Teller realized the Bomb had damned them by 1960

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
12. Why No Wall Street CEOs Were Prosecuted For Causing The Financial Crisis
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:33 PM
Dec 2013

by Dartagnan
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/25/1265127/-Why-No-Corporate-CEOs-Were-Prosecuted-For-Causing-The-Financial-Crisis

I'm pretty sure the RCC has a bank. Vatican Bank I think it's called.

I don't know if it rises to the potentially apocalyptic level of Fukushima, such as you seem to suggest.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
5. He's making Catholic philosophy relevant to believers again
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:40 PM
Dec 2013

by emphasizing class struggle, the divide between rich and poor, and caring for those marginalized by society (like the trans woman who was murdered).

Arguing over stuff like birth control, premarital sex, shunning divorced people, etc. just distances most Catholics from the church. Those issues aren't relevant to their lives.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. Citing Dolan? Here is some background on Timothy. Just so folks know who he is.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:16 PM
Dec 2013

Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York authorized payments of as much as $20,000 to sexually abusive priests as an incentive for them to agree to dismissal from the priesthood when he was the archbishop of Milwaukee.

Questioned at the time about the news that one particularly notorious pedophile cleric had been given a “payoff” to leave the priesthood, Cardinal Dolan, then the archbishop, responded that such an inference was “false, preposterous and unjust.”

But a document unearthed during bankruptcy proceedings for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee and made public by victims’ advocates reveals that the archdiocese did make such payments to multiple accused priests to encourage them to seek dismissal, thereby allowing the church to remove them from the payroll.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/us/cardinal-authorized-payments-to-abusers.html?_r=0

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Tim owns tons of NYC real estate, all the local Chruch holdings are in his name
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:21 PM
Dec 2013

so he is a hugely powerful and wealthy man, he controls an empire. But they are 'for the poor'.

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