The Telegraph: Pope Francis 'shocked' by gay adoption

[knowledgeispwr]

From The Telegraph:

So just how gay-friendly is Pope Francis? Consider this.

In his Christmas sermon, Bishop Charles Scicluna of Malta condemned adoption by same-sex couples. He insisted that God's own son was raised by a man and a woman, and not by two men or two women.

How divisive! said the media. But now it turns out that Bishop Scicluna met Pope Francis on December 12. The bishop later told the Times of Malta: “We discussed many aspects… and when I raised the issue that’s worrying me as a bishop [the right for gay couples to adopt] he encouraged me to speak out."

Indeed, the Pope was "shocked" to learn that Malta's proposed Civil Union bill allows gay adoption. And Bishop's Scicluna's controversial sermon seems to have been delivered at his prompting.

The less harsh public tone on LGBT people seems to be more about the public face of the church than anything else. Read more here: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100252140/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-will-time-take-back-its-person-of-the-year-award/

[Lint Head]

1. And daughters are raised by? So Jesus trumps female children?

[onehandle]

2. Second-hand Hearsay from a Bishop who did the actual condemnation in a sermon. nt

[NYC Liberal]

6. Well here it is directly from the Vatican:

Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Are you asserting that Francis has amended this part of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith? If so, you are mistaken.

[onehandle]

11. The claim is about the content of a conversation and the word 'shocked.'

Hearsay.

[NYC Liberal]

12. And his stated position on the issue is clear

He thinks adoption by gay couples is child abuse. Therefore, I trust this "hearsay" because he has already stated the same thing publicly.

[theHandpuppet]

3. But I'm not shocked by Francis

ENCYCLICAL LETTER
LUMEN FIDEI
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
FRANCIS
TO THE BISHOPS PRIESTS AND DEACONS
CONSECRATED PERSONS
AND THE LAY FAITHFUL
ON FAITH
Faith and the family
52. In Abraham’s journey towards the future city, the Letter to the Hebrews mentions the blessing which was passed on from fathers to sons (cf. Heb 11:20-21). The first setting in which faith enlightens the human city is the family. I think first and foremost of the stable union of man and woman in marriage. This union is born of their love, as a sign and presence of God’s own love, and of the acknowledgment and acceptance of the goodness of sexual differentiation, whereby spouses can become one flesh (cf. Gen 2:24)

Pastoral Visit to Assisi
Meeting with the Young People of Umbria (October 4, 2013)
“What is marriage? It is a true and authentic vocation, as are the priesthood and the religious life. Two Christians who marry have recognized the call of the Lord in their own love story, the vocation to form one flesh and one life from two, male and female. And the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony envelops this love in the grace of God, it roots it in God himself. By this gift, and by the certainty of this call, you can continue on assured; you have nothing to fear; you can face everything together!”

[Narraback]

4. From right wing rag

per wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph

"According to a MORI survey conducted in 2005, 64% of Telegraph readers intended to support the Conservative Party in the coming elections.[3] It had a daily circulation of 552,065 in early 2013 down from 634,113 in July 2011. In comparison, The Times had an average daily circulation of 441,205, down to 400,060.[2][4]"

[boston bean]

8. Where would you expect this type of article to appear? in a left wing publication.

They are happy about it!

[pnwmom]

5. Hearsay, and from a right wing Bishop. n/t

[NYC Liberal]

7. Not hearsay. It is the official teaching of the Church, expressed in the

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

[pnwmom]

9. And that was written when Ratzinger was in charge of the Congregation.

(Directly, I mean -- before he was Pope.)

Do you really expect all of these promulgations to be overturned in a flash?

[NYC Liberal]

10. No, I don't expect them to be overturned at all. Because Francis supports them.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/cardinal_bergoglio_hits_out_at_same-sex_marriage