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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:43 AM Jan 2014

Fact-Check: Rand Paul's Obamacare Story Doesn't Ring True

Fact-Check: Rand Paul's Obamacare Story Doesn't Ring True

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/rand-paul-son-kentucky-automatically-enrolled-medicaid

Sunday, during an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC's This Week, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) told a wild tale about his son's trouble with Obamacare. Paul claimed that one of his sons (the Pauls have three—William, Duncan, and Robert) was enrolled in Medicaid in Kentucky against his will. The senator briefly flashed a blue-and-white insurance card before launching into a diatribe about his son's travails: "We didn't try to get him Medicaid…They automatically enrolled him in Medicaid," Paul said. "For a month they wouldn't talk to us because they said they weren't sure he existed. He had to go down to the welfare office, prove his existence, then, next thing we know, we get a Medicaid card."

Paul then extrapolated from his son's experience to make a general point about Kentucky's health exchange: "Most of the people in Kentucky are getting automatically enrolled in Medicaid."

Conservative websites latched onto Paul's claim as the latest example of Obamacare's failures. There's one problem, though: Paul's story doesn't make sense. No one is being automatically enrolled for Medicaid in Kentucky, says Jill Midkiff, communications director for the state's health department. "We're not automatically enrolling people," Midkiff explains. "People have to actually go and apply." The Affordable Care Act allowed states to automatically add residents who already receive other social services, such as food stamps and other health programs, to the Medicaid rolls. But Kentucky chose not to take advantage of that provision of the law. The state is notifying some residents of their eligibility for Medicaid, but Paul's son would have needed to actually apply for Medicaid in order to receive a Medicaid card.

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Rest at the link. Plus his oldest is only 19. Why isn't he on his parents insurance?

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Fact-Check: Rand Paul's Obamacare Story Doesn't Ring True (Original Post) OKNancy Jan 2014 OP
It's the newest form of teen rebellion frazzled Jan 2014 #1
I hope some media outlet holds him to this claim randr Jan 2014 #2
It's not the news media's job ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #12
Back in the day randr Jan 2014 #14
Yes, that bald-faced lie needs to bake dead in sunshine. northoftheborder Jan 2014 #3
The comments on that link are very interesting. salin Jan 2014 #4
at first, I thought Rand Paul was just an opportunist OKNancy Jan 2014 #6
Probably unhealthy interaction between the two salin Jan 2014 #7
One possibility karynnj Jan 2014 #20
Expletive Rand Paul and the Father Who Begat Him. nt MineralMan Jan 2014 #5
That was a real dumbass move on Rand Paul's part. herding cats Jan 2014 #8
''Why isn't he on his parents insurance?''..... Obviously he's covered by the free invisible of Ayn Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2014 #9
I wonder which right-wing blog he plagiarized this story from? bullwinkle428 Jan 2014 #10
The real question is why Paul's son needed to apply for WELFARE. pnwmom Jan 2014 #11
So that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #13
Rand Paul is as windy as a 100,000,000,000.99 pound sack of assholes. Hubert Flottz Jan 2014 #15
They said he went down to the welfare office. Could he be so unfamiliar with the process that he jwirr Jan 2014 #16
Why is his son getting Medicaid? rickford66 Jan 2014 #17
Why would the wealthy LIBERTARIAN have his 19 year old go to the WELFARE office pnwmom Jan 2014 #18
Don't know rickford66 Jan 2014 #19
Your situation makes perfect sense, karynnj Jan 2014 #21
Don't know rickford66 Jan 2014 #22

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
1. It's the newest form of teen rebellion
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jan 2014

Enroll in Medicaid to piss off your libertarian/conservative parents.

In our day, of course, it was growing your hair long or burning your bra. Or dodging the draft. I like this "sign up for Medicaid" teen rebellion.

randr

(12,414 posts)
2. I hope some media outlet holds him to this claim
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jan 2014

He needs to be hung out with his lies for once and all.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. It's not the news media's job ...
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jan 2014

to report on the veracity of politicians' statements ... or so we've been told.

salin

(48,955 posts)
4. The comments on that link are very interesting.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jan 2014

Clearly somethings are wrong in this story. One of them is really obvious:

Rand has been so indoctrinated by his father that he believes that the government is evil and there are always evil intents - so much so that he flies off the handle and foams at the mouth before a national audience (with an air of certainty) without considering that he ought to do some fact checking, first.

And who is "they"? For a month they wouldn't talk to us.... He had to go to the office to prove he existed..." Which office and what were you all (as in "us&quot trying to get "them" to talk to you about?

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
6. at first, I thought Rand Paul was just an opportunist
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jan 2014

and a typical Tea Party adherent. Now, I'm thinking he may actually be a psychopath. There are just too many incidents like this. They keep piling up. Either that, or he relies on a staff who live in the right-wing bubble and they pass along these fairy tales to him as truth.

salin

(48,955 posts)
7. Probably unhealthy interaction between the two
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jan 2014

being fed by those in the bubble - and being a stark raving radical with a loose grasp on reality outside of the bubble.

In this case, his arrogance and nuttiness is on display.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
20. One possibility
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 09:45 AM
Jan 2014

1) What the son got was the card informing him of Medicaid.
2) "They" would not speak to Rand Paul - due to HIPA. (Try to get any information on healthcare/insurance for a child over 18 - YOU can't.) However, the son himself might have been told he was not in the system --- no surprise as he never signed up -- and correctly told he had to go to an office.
3) He went to an office -- and he actually DID sign up then.


Of course, this means his son is really not the brightest or - like his dad - he doesn't listen to what anyone tells him.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
8. That was a real dumbass move on Rand Paul's part.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:24 PM
Jan 2014

Not that that's surprising or anything tho. Sure the Tea Party doesn't care about truth, so he's safe in keeping their love and affection. But if he's not careful he's going to find himself as irrelevant as Palin is in the world of real politics. As she discovered, you can't rely on less than 25% of the voting populations love to keep you in politics. Sometimes when you run around spewing crazy shit and lies with every breath, you become too much of a liability for the real politicians to want to be associated with you anymore.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
9. ''Why isn't he on his parents insurance?''..... Obviously he's covered by the free invisible of Ayn
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jan 2014

Rand's ghost, or some shit like that. If something were to happen to him. Well fuck it. He played his cards by venturing out into the world from inside Mrs. Paul through his dad's freedom loving balls. Fucking slacker!

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
11. The real question is why Paul's son needed to apply for WELFARE.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

Why would they need to prove his existence to the welfare office? Because he had applied for assistance. And while he was there, they signed him up for Medicaid, which apparently was more than Rand Paul had intended.

But why had Paul sent his 19 year old to the Welfare office in the first place?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. So that ...
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jan 2014

he (paul) could claim that the big bad government signed up his son against his son's wishes.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
15. Rand Paul is as windy as a 100,000,000,000.99 pound sack of assholes.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jan 2014

And that stale, hot, foul, wind that so freely blows from Brother Rand's self-aggrandizing lips, reeks of pure old 100% republican bullshit.

A republican that ain't lying, is an unborn republican liar, in training.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
16. They said he went down to the welfare office. Could he be so unfamiliar with the process that he
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jan 2014

actually filled out papers and did not know he was applying for MA? This family does not seem to be the brightest bulbs in the room.

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
17. Why is his son getting Medicaid?
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jan 2014

If he isn't claimed as a dependent on someone else's taxes in 2014 and his 2014 income is low enough, he can qualify for Medicaid. My wife and I are retired and on Medicare. My working son is 20. If I claim him as a dependent next year he would have to buy insurance in the marketplace. High premiums and deductable for a kid. By not claiming him, he had a choice of several Medicaid plans. They all had the same coverage but are administered by different health groups. We picked Excellus BC/BS. Oh, he keeps his present primary care physician. I cannot comment on the rest of Rand Paul's BS.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
18. Why would the wealthy LIBERTARIAN have his 19 year old go to the WELFARE office
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jan 2014

and apply to FREE state health care?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
21. Your situation makes perfect sense,
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jan 2014

but Senator Paul could have insurance from the Senate. (Did he refuse to take it?)

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
22. Don't know
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jan 2014

If his son isn't his dependent any more, he qualifies for Medicaid or subsidies depending on 2014 income. Doesn't matter what insurance Paul has. This was explained to me when I signed my son up. I had trouble with the NY website. I was on the phone for two hours and learned quite a lot. Paul's son is no different than anyone else if he's on his own.

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