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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:22 AM Feb 2014

Goldman Sachs Sued for Selling Libya Billions in “Worthless” Options

Richard Smallteacher

Goldman Sachs, the Wall Street investment bank, is being sued in London for selling Libya “worthless” derivatives trades in 2008 that the country’s financial managers did not understand. Libya says it lost approximately $1.2 billion on the deals, while Goldman made $350 million.

At the time, the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA), which invests profits from the country’s oil and gas exports, had assets worth $60 billion under former dictator Muammar Gaddafi.Goldman Sachs convinced LIA to buy long-term call options on six companies: Allianz, a German insurance and investment company; Banco Santander, a Spanish bank; Citbank, a U.S. bank; Électricité de France, a French state utility; ENI, an Italian oil company; and UniCredit, an Italian bank.

What the Libyans did not understand was that if the stocks in these six companies did not rise, their investments would become worthless. Instead the LIA executives weretaken in by a trip to Morocco as well as “small gifts, such as aftershaves and chocolates” and an offer of an internship for Mustafa Mohamed Zarti, the brother of the Libyan fund’s deputy executive director, in Dubai and London.

“The unique circumstances allowed Goldman Sachs to take advantage of the LIA’s extremely limited financial and legal experience to deliberately exploit its position of influence and to take advantage in a way that generated colossal losses for the LIA but substantial profits for Goldman Sachs,” said LIA Chairman AbdulMagid Breish in a statement.

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Goldman Sachs = Nigerian Prince scammers

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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
1. Wait... they didn't understand that call options expire worthless if the stock is below the strike?
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:29 AM
Feb 2014

I bet quite a few DUers understand this concept. Perhaps before spending $1.2 billion they should have made sure to understand what they were purchasing.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
2. I have to agree, why the fuck would you buy something if you don't understand
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:36 AM
Feb 2014

how it works? For billions of dollars?! No doubt GS used their clout to 'wine and dine' their victims...buyer beware.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
3. And saying "we only bought them because of the chocolates, the aftershave, and the internship"
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:44 AM
Feb 2014

does not really impress me as a legal argument.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
5. The LIA guys were morons. Call options aren't rocket science
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:16 AM
Feb 2014

If they didn't understand the concept (hard to believe they were that ignorant and running around with $1.2 billion), then they should have had qualified financial advisors.

They should have blown their wad at the track or in Las Vegas - it would have been a lot more fun.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
6. Other countries have complained of essentially the same thing.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:24 AM
Feb 2014

That Goldman offered them products which failed, or which cost much more than they sighned up for.
Greexe claimed that Goldman ripped them off.

And like the rest of you reading this, my question is.....how the hell is it that anyone trusts the banks at all???

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
7. The big banks love all of the proles
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:05 PM
Feb 2014

plus, they would never lie

People like John Perkins have told us all how it works

Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man


John Perkins - Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
8. Who really WON in Libya?
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:39 PM
Feb 2014
” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is (was) a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity.

Libya was not in debt to international bankers.

It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment".

It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries.

Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system.


All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html


...but he was a ruthless dictator who was killing his own people!!!!
(Doesn't he know that is OUR job??!!)



I'm glad the Goldman-Sachs problem is being looked at.
I ran across claims that GS had defrauded the Libyan Treasury of over $5Billion back in 2011.
I was trying to find out WHY, all of a sudden, Libya was a huge problem needing a BIG dose of our Shock & Awe Freedom Bombs right funkn NOW,
and the GS allegations was one of the things that turned up.

I figured it was DOA because of our intervention,
but am somewhat reassured to see it is still alive.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. Occupy Wall Street Declares Goldman Sachs Guilty
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:53 PM
Feb 2014

CHRIS HEDGES, AUTHOR AND ACTIVIST:

Goldman Sachs, which received more subsidies and bailout-related funds than any other investment bank, because the Federal Reserve permitted it to become a bank holding company under its emergency situation, has used billions in taxpayer money to enrich itself and reward its top executives.

It handed its senior employees a staggering $18 billion in 2009, $16 billion in 2010, and looks set to hand out $10 billion in megabonuses in 2011. This massive transference of wealth upwards by the Bush and Obama administrations, now estimated at a staggering thirteen to fourteen trillion dollars, went into the pockets of those who carried out fraud and criminal activity rather than the victims who lost their jobs (some of whom we'll hear today), their savings, and often their homes.

Goldman Sachs' commodities index is the most heavily traded in the world. The company hoardes rice, wheat, corn, sugar, and livestock and jacks up commodity prices around the globe, so that poor families can no longer afford basic staples, and many literally starve.

Goldman Sachs is able to carry out its malfeasance at home and in global markets because it has former officials filtered throughout the government and lavishly funds compliant politicians, including Barack Obama, who received $1 million from employees at Goldman Sachs in 2008 when he ran for president.


These politicians in return permit Goldman Sachs to ignore security laws that under a functioning judiciary system would see the firm indicted for felony fraud, or, as in the case of Bill Clinton, these politicians pass laws such as the 2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which effectively removed all oversight and outside control over the speculation in commodities, one of the major reasons food prices around the world have soared.

In 2008 and 2010, prices for crops such as rice, wheat, and corn doubled or tripled, making life precarious for hundreds of millions of people. And it was all done so a few corporate oligarchs, the 1 percent, could amass personal fortunes in the tens of millions and often hundreds of millions of dollars.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7589

econoclast

(543 posts)
10. "Financial managers" didn't understand call options???!!!???
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:58 PM
Feb 2014

Now don't get me wrong. I'm certainly not saying that GS is above trying to pick-off Libya. But really .... Your job title is 'financial manager' and you are running 60 billion dollars and you don't know what an Option is??? If that is really the level of sophistication then somewhere in Libya are warehouses full of Ginsu knives, Popeil Pocket Fishermen and that hair-in-a-can spray. If they are that dumb, and Goldman was really trying to pick them off, GS would have walked away with the entire 60 billion Libya had to invest and not just 350 million.

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