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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs anyone watching this ghastly OLYMPICS Opening Ceremony display on NBC?
I thought the opening sequence was a muddied mess. Maybe it was more impressive in person; it looked like shit on a very large television. I felt sorry for that poor child flung across the stadium on wires.
I think that Equality Karma prevented that last Olympic ring snowflake from opening. I have to say my first thought was "Gooooooooooooooooood." I'm sure the Pooter was pissed!
I can't believe all these team "escorts" with the goofy Vegas headdresses (one looks like Stewie's head--football shaped!) and slit skirts and go-go boots! Who designed their costumes--Austin Powers? All they need is machine guns in their, er, chest region and they'd be fembots! AP played that for laughs....Pootie is serious.
The USSR anthem tune for the Pootie-directed 'Russian' National Anthem--weird. Like rebooting the Cold War.
Can't wait to see Putin's girlfriend running the flame into the stadium. Corruption and romance, all of a piece!!!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)my friend, and be prepared to be impressed.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think this dramatic footage with the Russian actors is just .....OTT....
They're skipping over killing their tsar's family, Lenin, WW2 and the gulags, and all that not-so-fun stuff....it would seem.
One of the commenters called it a "kitsch" interpretation of Russian history....I think that's about right.
Big doesn't always equal better. The Chinese Olympics thing with all the people was a bit OTT, but it's coming off as restrained and logical by comparison.
The projection technology is VERY interesting--I just think the subject matter needs a bit more exposition.
greyl
(22,990 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)Walking and smiling with that headdress on should be an Olympic sport.
I hate calling them "escorts"...
MADem
(135,425 posts)That slit in the skirt and the go go boots was either channeling an escort or seventies vibe--or both.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)As they were, the poor escorts looked like flight attendants from "Whiskey A-Go-Go Airlines," wearing head pieces stolen from the back of Cher's closet.
The ethnic element was lost on the viewers--unless they were from Vegas...!
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)to make much of a fuss about the headgear.
IMO the plexiglass tubes used to carry the country names are worse, and I have to admit the combination of the headgear and the tubes makes me think Barbarella
MADem
(135,425 posts)cracks at it, and every time he's fucked up. They look like someone ate the US flag and vomited it onto the athletes....
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Even the Russian coats.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Probably the best looking of all the athletes.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Dug the Bermuda shorts, too... that was fun.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)The only message I got was "I'm not one of the athletes, but I get to be out here in the opening ceremony because I'm willing to wear this bizarre outfit."
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Stop making excuses for American audiences. They're just as capable of taking to teh Google to figure out what's going on, to learn the significance of something or someone...
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Why America Didnt Get To Meet Emeli Sandé In The Olympics Opening Ceremony
http://b96.cbslocal.com/2012/07/30/why-america-didnt-get-to-meet-emeli-sande-in-the-olympics-opening-ceremony/
Seriously, Ryan Seacrest yammering away was preferable?
MADem
(135,425 posts)That is an Austin Powers costume with a Vegas headdress that looks vaguely like traditional headgear. It's...what's the word?
TACKY.
It has nothing to do with understanding. It has everything to do with taste. Tarting up a traditional accessory doesn't enhance cultural understanding--it cheapens it.
It's right up Pootie's alley, though--and this is his show.
And we've had our opportunity to critique London, and we all took it. Con brio, as I recall. Why are you so defensive about this venue? Surely Pootie can take care of himself! No need for you to defend his honor.
No one demands that you share my opinion, you know. It's permissable to disagree.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)jolly good!
I hardly see the "escorts" or "ushers" as tarted up. A little leg? The horror! God forbid there be a modern/futuristic twist on a classic.
Say I'm defending Putin one more time. It never gets old.
Considering this OP has a whopping 5 recs, I'm guessing most of us aren't sharing your opinion. On that, I believe, we can agree.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's retro, and a bit tawdry.
I don't hold opinions to be "popular." I suspect most of the people who would agree with my POV are boycotting the Olympics entirely, though--you know, because of that "gay" thing that so many here think isn't a human rights issue, but more like a distraction.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)clearly futuristic, science fiction. Because you don't see it doesn't make it not so.
Tawdry? Oooh doggy, I cannot wait for Rio!
Poor American audiences! My goodness, NBC will really have its work cut out ... I can hear Matt Lauer stammering now.
This would be fun, too, in the colors of the Olympic rings:
I'm not seeing "so many here" viewing the "gay thing" as a distraction, so again, we disagree.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They are out of place in a small town on the Black Sea in Russia.
Tawdriness, or inappropriateness, is as much a function of setting as anything else.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Just like the idiot announcer (Lauer?) who joked about the used car dealer inflatables.
Oooh, ballet now...
Tanuki
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undeterred
(34,658 posts)Tanuki
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WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)http://www.russianfashionblog.com/index.php/2012/08/kokoshnik/#axzz2sehbtxJQ
Of course, Americans are attributing them to Lady Gaga or "The Hunger Games"...
fishwax
(29,149 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I like it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)deport him in a few weeks!
And to prevent that snowflake from "influencing" the good people of Russia, his minions quickly substituted the rehearsal footage that showed all of the snowflakes opening (and while I'm being sarcastic upthread, I'm dead serious about that--no one watching TV in Russia saw that glitch)...so much for "freedom of the press"--the propaganda machine is oiled up and running, even for stupid stuff like a technical boo boo.
Minutes into the ceremony in Sochi there was a glitch when one of the five snowflakes failed to open out into an Olympic ring, leading a planned pyrotechnic display to be cancelled.
But all was well if you were watching state broadcaster Rossiya 1 - which cut straight to rehearsal footage where the rings came together and exploded on cue. Producers confirmed the switch had happened, and claimed it was important to preserve the imagery of the Olympic symbols.
Konstantin Ernst, executive creative director of the opening ceremony, told reporters he called down to master control to tell them to go to the practice footage when he realised what happened. 'This is certainly bad, but it does not humiliate us', he insisted, adding that the use of pre-recorded footage was an 'open secret'.
The show's artistic director George Tsypin confirmed the malfunction was caused by a bad command from a stage manager.
It came on a night featuring torchbearers which included an alleged racist and Putin's rumoured gymnast lover; pop stars who have pretended to be lesbians despite real gay people facing a crackdown; and an enormous droopy-eyed animatronic bear...
Wonder if that stage manager is a bit nervous right now....?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)laboring alongside Snowden!
Cheers, Cold Warrior!
MADem
(135,425 posts)He has utility to the Pootster.
The gay people are reviled and unwanted. Worse, they are PERSECUTED. It's really the shame of the nation, particularly in this century. Astounding that the society continues to refuse to acknowledge their unjustified hatred and bigotry.
And of course, all Pootie has to do is say "We will have a new policy," and there would be one. He could make change by decree--like he did when he closed down the last "opposition" press outlet quite recently.
But he doesn't do that decree thing when it comes to equality. He likes that his people have an immediate outlet for their hatred.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I like real estate.
I live in North Carolina. You can stop preaching to me about "unwanted" gay people (state constitution amended thanks to a 61-39% vote banning "gay marriage," which was shameful). Maybe Putin will "evolve," like Obama. Although Putin has a much longer way to go on the evolutionary scale...
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's not releasing his whereabouts--he only pops up to drop a turd of intel every now and again. Whether or not that's choreographed by someone other than him, time will tell.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I always felt The Internationale was a great song. Much better than our bar room song.
MH1
(17,600 posts)I think the music is beautiful, and they did a good rendition of it. I'd forgotten it was called the Internationale.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And this ballet is beautiful.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)sequence? Given the homophobia there, I had to laugh.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Pac Man-ish dancer, who ran a bit too far during the flag number. Perhaps another nonconformist like the snowflake? It was during this, and it was adorable:
S/he eventually made it back into line, thank goodness, for according to some, hard labor was on the horizon...
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)The Soviet anthem that we knew from older Olympics was called "Hymn of the Soviet Union." It replaced the Internationale, which is the international Communist anthem, some time after Stalin, I think.
After the breakup of the Soviet Union, the words were written to refer only to Russia.
Here's the Internationale:
Here's the Soviet/Russian national anthem (same tune, very different words)
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)National anthem sounds great and beautiful.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Also enjoyed the edited versions of the Polovtsian Dances, Le Sacre and the Firebird.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:11 AM - Edit history (1)
From a comment on the video, I am not the only one!
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)all that's missing is David Wildstein on a giant screen wearing a Ushanka
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)This is like the lamest opening "Ever"!!
I mean, it's the fucking Olympics! Spend a few bucks!
How many times per century do you get to host the Olympics
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)liberal N proud
(60,340 posts)Telling us all how great things are in Sochi and Russia.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I hate American Olympics coverage.
MH1
(17,600 posts)I thought back when the USSR broke up, Russia decided to keep the anthem music and change the lyrics.
I had studied a couple years of Russian back in high school (when it was the USSR) and we sort of "learned" the anthem as part of the class. I always thought the music itself was beautiful, even if the words and the politics were a bit off-putting.
Listening to it tonight - although I couldn't translate it, the words were definitely different than what we learned as the USSR anthem. But I still thought the music was beautiful.
So I don't get your comment about the anthem. There are plenty of other things wrong with Russia these days, and with this Olympics, sadly. I don't think the Russian anthem is one of them. (but maybe if I knew what the words meant I'd feel differently)
MADem
(135,425 posts)POOTIE decided to bring the old one back (with revised lyrics). Here's the last one:
Music by: Mikhail Glinka
In use: 1990-2000
Russia's first anthem adopted upon independence from the Soviet Union was a piece by the national hero of composing, Mikhail Glinka. Glinka's works were also no stranger to consideration as national anthems for Russia, for example during the spring of 1917 when a new national anthem was needed after the last czar abdicated, some people proposed that any work from Glinka's opera "A Life for the Czar" be considered as a new national anthem. This piece may have been intended for that work.
The notes for this piece was found in the papers of Glinka in the late 19th century. Written in the same format as the score for "A Life for the Czar" (known in Soviet times as "Ivan Susanin" , it was suggested it could have been intended for this opera. However, the title that Glinka gave it, "Motif de Chant Nationale" suggests it could have been written as an entry for a national anthem contest, possibly for the national anthem of 1833 (which was around the time that this opera was being written). It has also been pointed out that the tune appears in a 16th century Polish hymn, and thus may not be original to Glinka. The title "The Patriotic Song" was given to it in 1944 when the melody was arranged for the "All-Union Radio Committee of the USSR".
In the spring of 1990, the government of the Russian SFSR (within the USSR) debated what should be the republic's anthem (it was the only one of the Soviet Republics to never adopt a national anthem), and Glinka's melody was unanimously adopted in November of that year, and consequently became the anthem of an independent Russia when independence was proclaimed just over one year later. There was some complaint among the citizens that there was no lyrics to the anthem, and so there was a competition in late 1999 to compose words for the anthem. The contest was won in November 1999 by Victor Radugin with his poem "Славься, Россия!" "Slav'sya, Rossiya!" (Be glorious, Russia!), but, upon President Yeltsin's resignation at the end of the following month, the words never became official, as the new president favoured the old Soviet melody, which was later adopted.
MH1
(17,600 posts)I think that musically, the Internationale is quite moving. But if I remember next week, I'll ask a couple folks at my job, who happen to be from Russia, what they think.
MADem
(135,425 posts)One guy made the call--The Shirtless One!
MH1
(17,600 posts)and even if Pootie dictated the change, that doesn't mean that everyone hated it, and actually I thought a lot of Russians liked it. But I could be wrong.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You never know who might be listening...or informing.
For all they know, you could be on the phone to Moscow tomorrow!
former9thward
(32,071 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)By Congressional resolution and signed into law by Hoover that same year.
former9thward
(32,071 posts)The poster you replied to said "not being a Russian I get no vote." You then said it was an "executive decision." Well guess what? So was ours. The people got no vote. There have been no end of complaints about our anthem over the years yet it remains.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The legislature is not the executive--I know you know that.
You're just not thinking it through. They're two separate branches of government.
"We" didn't vote on the ACA either. That didn't make the ACA an "executive decision" either.
former9thward
(32,071 posts)After the bill was approved by the Federation Council on 20 December, "On the National Anthem of the Russian Federation" was signed into law by President Putin on 25 December, officially making Alexandrov's music the national anthem of Russia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anthem_of_Russia
MADem
(135,425 posts)You do realize that what Putin wants, Putin gets?
There's about as much "discussion" as there is in N. Korea with Kim Jong Un.
Putin wanted this change, and so it happened. Just like he wanted the opposition press to "disappear," so they did.
He's a dictator. He's been in power for what, twenty four years, now?
He has switched off in the past with his little lackey Medvedev at the mandated election cycle, but he runs the country. With his iron hand. And with each passing year, he further consolidates his power.
Good grief...!
former9thward
(32,071 posts)It always represents the people doesn't it.... But no matter, posters will continue throwing rocks in their glass house.
MADem
(135,425 posts)for you. Your lack of awareness as to the situation on the ground in Mother Russia is, well, laughable. No--sad. Very sad, indeed. You have some reading up to do, I think.
Have a nice day.
former9thward
(32,071 posts)It is not remotely like the picture that posters paint. Of course that was before the evil Snowden landed there. That seems to have changed everything for the Authoritarians.
MADem
(135,425 posts)but you apparently didn't realize that it's a functional dictatorship.
Ohhhh kay....
former9thward
(32,071 posts)The Russian people favor that type of government. The only dissent is where someone wants their strong man to be in charge. I don't come from that tradition. Only someone who has never traveled the world thinks that everyone yearns for Western style democracy. Most of the world does not. I have been fortunate enough to have traveled in 42 countries -- most non-Western. Different people like different things. I wish U.S. Presidents understood that including our current one.
MADem
(135,425 posts)stay home and do housework.
Please. Quit while you're behind.
I haven't been to Australia or Iceland...but I've been pretty much everywhere else. I spent half my long life outside of USA, LIVING, not visiting, in the Middle East, Europe and Asia, and your "one month in Russia" and your little visits hither and yon just don't impress me much, there, sport.
I'll wager I have a better handle on human aspirations than you could ever hope to, judging by the nonsense you're spouting. You apparently have very little appreciation for the things that motivate people--self-determination is a biggie.
former9thward
(32,071 posts)You have your mind made up and its your way and no one else matters. Like most Authoritarians. Nice desperate try to throw strawmen in there. Now my views are equal to pro-slavery and anti-women. Ohhh Kay....
MADem
(135,425 posts)I'm not the one excusing the gay bashing dictator, and claiming that the population LIKES being subjugated, either--so long as we're throwing that "A" word around, sport. I guess those stupid little Russians, Georgians, Armenians, Latvians and all the FSU states were just what--dumb and clueless?-- to break up the good ole USSR--they didn't know how good they had it, the Silly Billies!
PRO TIP: If you don't want to sound like a paternalistic bigot, it's best not to say things that sound bigoted or paternalistic.
Works every time!
former9thward
(32,071 posts)Is that a record for you? Funny you think anyone would want to impress some anonymous electrons on a internet discussion board. I think I will avoid your Pro Sensible advice but thanks for giving it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Stop trying so hard, and maybe I won't notice so much.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)and extremely well done.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)music, fireworks was spectacular for sure. Naysayers have it wrong.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I was hooked from the opening alphabet video, and I wasn't even planning on watching...
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)I think it is all very beautiful.....
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Taking an interesting turn now as we enter the industrial phase...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Wonder if he would have taken on the job, had he known...!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)the technology used on the floor was amazing.
Everything else was very Russian...what do people expect?
Well done.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)use of technology and a showcase for Russian culture.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)None of it. I swear if my TV is turned on the Olympics I'll pull that damn fucking cable out of the wall with my bare hands.
I have already committed to going to the 2018 Winter Olympics.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)JVS
(61,935 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)elleng
(131,081 posts)babylonsister
(171,081 posts)I'm no critic though.
elleng
(131,081 posts)Now, revolution!!!
MADem
(135,425 posts)While that poor little kid is back on the strings letting go of a red balloon...
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And yes, that poor child, "star" of the 2014 Winter Olympics.
elleng
(131,081 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Perhaps some on this thread should take those aforementioned psychedelic mushrooms to calm down.
I realize I'm supposed to hate it because of Fast Eddie, Greenwald, Obama, shirtless Putin, equality and those poor stray dogs, but I don't.
Plus, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Chevy feature a gay couple getting married in one of its commercials?
Oh great, now an opera singer. They'll be busting on that, too...
elleng
(131,081 posts)Missed some commercials, when changed over to Rachel show, so I'm not fully informed.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I just Googled this:
Chevy Olympic ads feature gay couples
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Chevy-Olympic-ads-feature-gay-couple-5215141.php
And we're back to the Coke commercial... wingnut heads exploding!
elleng
(131,081 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)to "splat" distances in the air to make a teeny little point...especially since that "red balloon" is more like a boomerang--what it represented, along with the old national anthem, is baaaaaaaaaack (with a vengeance) under Pootie.
And if you can't figure that out, YOU don't "do" symbolism. That's what this whole political power projection exercise is all about.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Didn't George Bush come up with that?
Releasing negative to make room for positive... try it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And that's the point...but hey, I guess you don't "do" symbolism!
Look into his eyes...you'll see his soul!
I'm always positive--I'm positive that I have no "room" for anyone who thinks it is "OK" to support bigots who persecute and imprison people for the "crime" of being gay.
Try THAT on for size, why don't you?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)In no way, shape, or form am I championing the homophobic Putin. Or the racist torch-bearer Irina what's-her-name. But you knew that.
Fireworks go boom... enjoy!
MADem
(135,425 posts)The fireworks and the technical imagery were the best thing about this hot mess. The bigoted Pootie dictator is simply unforgivable. Nothing to "enjoy" about that asshole.
It was OTT revisionist "history"--closer to fantasy--and I think they wasted their money. They should have spent it on silly things, like finishing the athletes' rooms, running water that wasn't poisoned, and bathrooms that offer a modicum of privacy....! If they really wanted to be sports, they could have rounded up the dogs and tried to find them homes instead of killing them off wholesale.
http://consumerist.com/2014/02/07/olympics-reporter-uses-clothesline-tape-to-deal-with-lack-of-shower-curtain/
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I'd rather their pampered press asses be in Syria, covering something REALLY important.
Dogs were killed in Greece, too. Makes me ill.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/1466744/Greeks-to-poison-up-to-15000-stray-dogs-before-the-Olympics.html
Obscene amounts of money are spent on these games, in general. Just like with presidential campaigns in the United States. Priorities are waaaaaay off...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Inviting thousands of people to come to a major world event and not having shitters that work is more than a "First World" problem.
A First World Problem is "They ran out of BLONDE coffee at the Starbucks! Waaah" or "Someone bought the last bunch of arugula at the Whole Foods! Waaah!"
Providing adequate shelter and toileting facilities for athletes coming from all over the world--when you've KNOWN they were coming since 2007--is a fucked up, disorganized, corrupt government/couldn't get their shit together problem!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)but Sochi isn't London or Vancouver or Sydney. (I'd add Atlanta, but there was that horrible bombing.) Whining about downed curtains and Putin's pic adorning hotel walls is something I have little sympathy for. And the mocking of technical glitches is something I find unappealing, whether it's the Russian ring, or Canadian torch. And how widespread are the water problems? Speaking of water... West Virginia! Coal ash dumped by Duke Energy in North Carolina... mmm, arsenic.
"Fucked up, disorganized" -- I guess the same could be said for a certain website that was years in the making, and cost how much? But quickly remedied, unlike Sochi, at least. In my state, we're dealing with fucked up DHHS software that cost hundreds of millions of dollars. Talk about not getting their shit together, and now the state is being sued for God knows how much because of the problems. Problems abound.
Perhaps Rio will be more to your liking...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Who knew??? And who knew that the ACA was passed into law in 2007...before Obama was even elected? Oh, but wait....it wasn't.
You shouldn't be trying for false equivalence to distract from a fair point. It just makes your lack of an argument more obvious.
It is NOT unreasonable for someone coming to an Olympic Village to expect working bathrooms and rooms that are ready and heated, with simple things like light bulbs and towels. Why you would think otherwise is beyond me.
Look, Putin has KNOWN that this party was on his schedule for the past seven bloody years. He shouldn't have proposed Sochi if he couldn't pull it off.
This was as much about having an excuse to "pacify" a region in the name of Olympic security as anything else. Why else would he propose a Winter Olympics in a subtropical city on the same latitude as Nice, France?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)*Because Snowden.*
Enough of this toxicity (and not just the water).
Aaaah, better...
?w=753
MADem
(135,425 posts)How about "because" this:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-from-russia-everyone-needs-to-see
There's a whole storyboard there--and not one picture of Eddie. You might want to check it out, if you dare.
I think it's amazing that so many people can ignore Equality "because Snowden."
And they can ignore the elimination of the opposition press "because Snowden."
But hey--whatever helps you to sleep at night.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Were you this outraged during the Shanghai Olympics? Displaced poor, censorship and human rights violations, pollution, bile bears, slaughtered rhino boner pills. And isnt this where the pretty girl lip-synched to the actual singing of the not as pretty girl? Not cool, China!
What will you latch onto during the upcoming Rio Olympics? Crime, abject poverty, fraud?
How about abuses right here in the good ol U S of A?
http://uwire.com/uwire/wp-content/themes/gazette/thumb.php?src=&w=250&h=180&zc=1&q=90
And this:
in response to this:
Perhaps so many really arent ignoring all of this at all, theyre just taking a more thoughtful approach.
Glass houses, you know.
MADem
(135,425 posts)shortcomings. They avoided political controversy and made the games about the games--not about gay bashing.
Putin has made it a point to puff up his objections to gay people--it's a point of PRIDE with his regime. Are you pretending you missed this shit? Really?
He's been belligerently bigoted, proud of it, and he's finding a shocking number of champions on this supposedly progressive board.
Amazing. Obtuse, and amazing.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)that's your first mistake.
And there it is: the swipe at a "supposedly progressive board." Like clockwork.
MADem
(135,425 posts)But I can't say as much for those who insist that objecting to Putin's politicization of these Games is a "swipe."
It's offensive if someone doesn't bring it up, particularly on a progressive board.
Putin could have avoided excoriation had he not made it a point to make gay athletes feel unwelcome. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp? No capacity for empathy? No concern if it's not your concern? Post a picture of a clock and engage in a bit of "clockwork" snark about a real, serious and frightening human rights issue that's playing out before our eyes?
What is "bad form" is people who will kick over the traces and pretend there isn't a problem, here. Amazing how some can haul out the "Then they came for me" poem when they have their feelings hurt about something, but lack the capacity to grasp that people's lives are endangered in that country for being who they are, and the cultural mindset of the dictator in charge is that this attitude and circumstance are points of pride.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)
Was a 5 star and there were no glitches at all. This is all about politics. And, thank you for the reference to West Virginia. A couple of the posters here seem to suggest that poisoning US citizens is no big deal but funky water coming out of Sochi taps is horrific.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)but here in the United States, it's estimated that 4 million shelter animals are put down EVERY YEAR. Some gassed, like in North Carolina. 4 fucking million. Where's the outrage?
I'm wondering if these problems are really as bad as some reporters are suggesting, or if they're just pushing the "Russia sucks" narrative. One was bitching about not being able to throw TP in the commode. Poor baby, must not have travelled much...
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)a priority in West Virginia either. Just sayin. I don't like Putin and I hate government sanctioned bigotry, but it isn't as though gay people are uniformly treated with dignity and equality across the US. We have a long way to go on that score as well.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)way, way better in the US than in Russia.
And we aren't holding the Olympics in WV. Comparing our worst to what they are holding out as their best isn't exactly an equivalent comparison.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)it is. And I suppose gay people should consider themselves lucky to live in a land where "they" are treated "way, way" better. Whatever.
MADem
(135,425 posts)shit out of gays every time they try to have a pride parade. Many states have sanctioned marriage and civil unions.
We're on our way. We are moving rapidly in the right direction.
They're going backwards, and they're proud of it.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)a first-world nation?
But I get it, you think everything and everyone sucks.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)No, you don't really "get it" at all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They look like psychedelic mushrooms! Nice effect, though!
Very "Austin Powers!"
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I think they got a lot of their crazy ideas from that one, though!
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Ironically, the "rock and roll" and "weddings/babies" sequence with the brightly colored costumes and white and red outfits could have been choreographed by John Waters--it had the vibe of some of his films....but of course, he would have been arrested and then tossed out on his ass after being jailed for several weeks had he shown up to do the work!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)We will just add pink eye to the list of what awaits people in Sochi.
MADem
(135,425 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)up their surroundings. It's neat when everyone waves them.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I think it's pretty cool
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)tomorrow.
I love the Russians. But I think someone fucked up............
http://thechive.com/2014/02/06/conditions-at-the-sochi-olympics-are-badhilarious-32-photos/
MADem
(135,425 posts)Let's all have a shit and a visit, shall we?
What? Don't have to poop? Well, come along and brush your teeth, and join the fun!!!!
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doc03
(35,363 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Oh, and some branches don't call 'em barracks anymore--they're DORMS in the USAF--like you're off to college!
It's an All Volunteer Force--in these times, people don't put with the same stuff that draftees put up with, back in the day.
Airman 1st Class Katie Davis of the 45th Medical Support Squadron stands in her dorm room on Patrick Air Force Base. The room won the prize of Best Dorm ...
doc03
(35,363 posts)I was in a two bunk room in Germany it was about 7' x 15', we had two bunk beds and two steel lockers and a small table in the corner. We also had a beer cooler. We were in an old SS barracks that had outside walls like 2 feet thick, we stored our beer between the outer storm window and the inner window in the winter..
oldhippie
(3,249 posts).... in 1970. Open bay toilets. The BOQ was a converted barrack. We each had a separate room portioned off by unpainted plywood, but the normal communal bath at the end of the building. My "room" was right next to it.
tavernier
(12,398 posts)Exactly how I remember Russia last time I was there.
potone
(1,701 posts)I am watching these boring interviews on NBC; how long does this go on before they show the actual opening ceremonies?
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's, of course, all recorded, even here, but it should be coming up for you soon!!!
They just showed Pootie's girlfriend--she looks young enough to be his granddaughter....I'm sure she looked into his eyes and saw his soul, too ...
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)Russia has an amazing culture, Pootie isn't the point, the people are often much better educated than our fellow Americans.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Pootie is the point, though--this is HIS show, and he approved everything you see.
I think it's too much.
It makes the London Olympics Mary Poppins Brigade look...minimalist!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)doc03
(35,363 posts)not prejudiced because of the political differences we have.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Belittling an entire country and peoples because we are upset at some political/cultural differences because we are obviously so stellar and culturally advanced here.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)The guy is the first to speak after all the hoopla and display and when he starts talking in Russian, Matt Lauer felt compelled to tell the viewer that the guy is NOT speaking English and that the man is, imagine that, speaking Russian. He then offers that they (NBC) have a copy of the speech and an interpreter to read it, but apparently they decided not use the interpreter and instead go with Lauer to tell the viewer what he was saying. Lauers interpretation of the man's speech went something like, "...welcome to the games...yadda yadda yadda... glad you could make it....really proud....something else....solemn occasion....something else ....yadda yadda...hey look there's Putin lookng on."
MADem
(135,425 posts)To cut down on the "HUH?" and "WHAT?" I turned on the closed captioning--they actually had a transcription of the speech, such as it was. He didn't say much.
doc03
(35,363 posts)Russian women we saw looked like Earnest Borgnine in drag?
Skittles
(153,185 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)better than London.
3catwoman3
(24,035 posts)...Swan Lake, with the dancers inside the swirling lighted strands, was one of the most visually pleasing things I've ever watched - ethereal and surreal.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)but I agree that it was visually pleasing
MADem
(135,425 posts)I'm betting the tokers enjoyed it!
TexasTowelie
(112,395 posts)I just watched the late night replay. It was very ethereal.
Now for a quick nap before the skating starts.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)beautiful!
I think I heard them say before it started that each host country was charged with sending out its own "dove of peace", and that's what those dancers were supposed to represent.
Seen from above, they did appear to be doves flapping their wings at times.
And then when they isolated the dancers and virtually manipulated the background to simulate actual flight...I thought it was very moving.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)EVERY rock band in the world has that light set up. That star thingie is the first thing you learn to make the lights do in rock lighting 101. The floats were cool but the lighting is god awful and the leader persons costumes are so horrible it is beyond words.
Someone from the Russian Olympic Committee should have seem Roger Waters last tour. Or Phish ore ven Beibers tour. Even KISS in the 80's.....
MADem
(135,425 posts)I guess the few things that "impressed" me were no big whoop, then! I liked the lights, I liked the singing (even though much of it was, as someone else said, a bit "joyless" and I thought the fireworks were kind of cool. That whole fantasy thing at the start was painful, but I did LOVE LOVE LOVE the NONCONFORMIST FIFTH RING!
That was the highlight of the whole thing!
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)It breaks the boring symmetry and makes it unique, and truly memorable!
MADem
(135,425 posts)They saw the footage of the rehearsal rings, where all went according to plan!
I guess they filmed the rehearsal, and had it running along with the live show, "just in case" something went amiss.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Out of the box. On card one. Now a good light tech would have made them spin, change colors and mesh into the logo flawlessly.... The whole low techiness of everything was really mind blowing. The lighting up clothing? Go to BurningMan sometimes. My fake mink coat glows like that and it was NOTHING to make with today's LED technology and light wire.
Seriously low grade lighting and staging.
And where did all the athletes go? I thought they gathered on the infield in a show of unity?
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think the athletes were herded to the stands--they showed them sitting amongst the crowds.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)I really liked it, the beginning not so much, but the end there is pretty amazing. The Inflatables were great.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)And they are a theater band.
babylonsister
(171,081 posts)what did she do?
MADem
(135,425 posts)chillfactor
(7,582 posts)otherwise it was a show for Putin only...not for the world stage..I finally turned it of...boring!
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Unless of course you are one of these folks:
GO USA!!!!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Do you routinely insult people in such a grievous manner when you disagree with them?
That's a pretty nasty comment, ya know!
I'm not making personal digs at you because I have a difference of opinion....
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)to the early 1970's and have found them ALL to be very schlocky AT BEST.
I'm sorry if I offended you, but your comments in the OP are pathetic at best. Maybe you shouldn't make such
nevermind.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You "offended" yourself by resorting to personal insult, not me.
You disagree with me, fine. I've stated my reasoning to justify my personal opinions throughout this thread. You don't like them, so you reply by calling me names. All you have managed to do, by way of 'reply,' is liken me to the "Get a brain" idiot and then follow up with calling me "pathetic."
Way to advance your argument there! Why not throw in an "I hate you, you poopy head!" to round it all out?
See what your problem is? You can't HELP but resort to personal insult. You call names instead of discussing issues, and that's YOUR rather major problem--not mine.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)apparent dislike of an Olympics being held in Russia. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I get from your OP and it IS pathetic.
I suppose it's going to be this way all the way through the whole event here in GD.
BTW: These are your issues:
The USSR anthem tune for the Pootie-directed 'Russian' National Anthem--weird. Like rebooting the Cold War.
Can't wait to see Putin's girlfriend running the flame into the stadium. Corruption and romance, all of a piece!!!
Should this type of shit be in the lounge or the entertainment group????? To post this shit in GD is bizarre at best.
And what the fuck is "pootie"??
MADem
(135,425 posts)But hey, you've got nothing left, so now you're making shit up.
The women leading the athletes did look like Fembots, Pootie (that's Putin, since you're affecting a clueless attitude) DID dump the first Russian Federation anthem for the USSR one (something you would know about if you'd bothered to read the thread carefully--I covered that), and Putin's girlfriend DID run into the stadium with a torch.
Now, your "complaint" is that "this type of shit" should "be in the lounge or the entertainment group."
In short--let me sum up: You don't like what I've had to say, so NOW you're complaining about a thread that is a valid General Discussion topic not being in the "right" place to suit you--solely because you don't like my opinions!
I think, if you go back down the years here at DU, you'll see DOZENS of "Olympics" threads in GD. And since you're plainly confused about what belongs in GD, let me HELP you recall what's appropriate for this forum:
The Winter Olympics is a "current event" that happens once every four years--it's BIG news. INTERNATIONAL news, covered in every country in the world. Pootie (that's Putin, again) has politicized it in an extreme fashion. For you to want to shove this topic off into the entertainment group--particularly with the overlay of the gay bigotry issue-- is, well, laughable.
Keep digging the hole--I've gotta say, you're a veritable excavator!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)That excerpt only demonstrates ignorance, with a twist of dailymailuk snark, particularly about the headdresses. Thanks to a poster up thread for pointing out the symbolism to those headdresses. I got to Googling, and they're quite interesting.
It's impossible to escape. Just like with the brain trust who thought *American the Beautiful* is the National Anthem, to be sung only in *American*!
(Sorry, had to jump in, but out now...)
MADem
(135,425 posts)that's slit up to where ever, and finished off with Go Go boots.
They didn't look a thing like what Catherine the Great wore. They DID look like something Sally Rand or the naked showgirls in Vegas might wear. Some of them were shaped like Stewie Griffin's head.
They're apparently in reference to a "Snow Maiden" of myth---that accounts for the odd shape(s).
I rather doubt they are meant to be worn with cheesy seventies-style "stewardess" outfits, though.
Russian traditional clothing (which has some nexus with Persian tribal clothing) is quite remarkable--why not riff on that, instead of Hooters Airlines? They could have done a modern take on that, instead of Fembot chic...
Not sure what "America the Beautiful" has to do with this...but then, there are people who don't know what the tune to the Russian (former USSR) anthem is, these days, either...granted, they have an excuse--it's been changed three times in the last quarter century.
Pootie approved it all, though--so it IS his taste.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Are we getting to the root of the problem, MA? Naked showgirls, fembots, Hooters waitresses, sexy stewardesses... those outfits seem to have *really* gotten to you.
The mighty Putin approved everything down to the headgear? Impressive! And just because you can't see "kokoshnik" around the go-go boots doesn't make it not so:
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Something along these lines would have been cuter, and better showcased against the white stadium backdrop:
But it seems like quite a silly thing to get bent out of shape over.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)I don't have any animosity towards the people of Russia nor any nation on the planet, and I'm not big on American exceptionalism. But their current regime is disgusting and its leader even more so.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Swan Lake. Beautiful ballet. The star show. The architecture. All beautiful. Most of it beautifully Russian, preformed by Russian artists.
Screw Putin. Love the people.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)After Yeltsin came in, they got rid of it (along with the USSR). They had another one for ten years, but then Putin decided he wanted to go back to the USSR one.
It's like the Cold War, all over again...with fewer players.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)regardless of its origins.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)China still holds the Best Opening Ceremony award, as far as I'm concerned.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think they paid attention not to just how it would look in the stadium, but how it would look on television, as well. That probably contributed to their success. Plus, it was a very tight production.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)I remember turning to my wife while it was going on and commenting on that level of technology being utilized on a battlefield....
MADem
(135,425 posts)Makes it all the more urgent that we get our "people" OFF the doggone battlefield!!!
Paladin
(28,272 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)beyond the "self-defense" imprimatur.
Interesting times ahead...
B2G
(9,766 posts)But I was watching it with an open mind.
I have no interest in that place. Attacking civil rights, shooting dogs on the street ... I can get that here in this country thanks to our over-zealous police. I don't need to support it abroad as well.
Owl
(3,643 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)is to put politics aside and celebrate the gathering of nations, if even for just a little while.
The opening ceremony was awesome, the fact that 5 nations sent athletes to Olympics for the FIRST time ever is awesome.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The 2014 Winter Games officially open in Sochi today, seven long years after the winning bid so strongly and personally supported by Russian president Vladimir Putin. Most Russians were ambivalent about this accomplishment despite our natural devotion to winter sports. What was a country with no remaining sports infrastructure for its children doing offering to spend twelve billion dollars to host foreign athletes? The official budget has since grown to over $50 billion, more than the combined cost of every previous Winter Games combined, according to a Dutch newspaper. It would be a surprise if more than 25% of those billions did more than pass through Sochi on their way from the Russian treasury to Swiss bank accounts and the London real estate market.
Social media has already turned Sochi into an international laughingstock as foreign reporters arrived to find unfinished and damaged hotels with toxic water and stray dogs in the rooms. One can only pray that the venues and courses will prove safer for the athletes and fans and that the security cordon is run more professionally. Hosting the Olympics a half-days journey from an active terrorist hotspot was absurd to begin with, and the incompetence demonstrated by the organizers thus far is not reassuring.
Do not mistake the epic graft in Sochi as unusual or incidental. Corruption is the overriding principle of Putins 14 years in power and looting the Russian treasury and the Russian people is itself the goal. For all the foolish attempts to interpret Putins geopolitical strategy and personal ideology, the common denominator is always whether or not an action helps him maintain the cash flow that in turn enables him and his clique to stay in power.
Putin also wanted the Sochi Olympics to be his Peter the Great moment, the beloved Soviet summer resort town turned into an international jewel the way Saint Petersburg was built into an Imperial capital practically from scratch. It can even be said that, like Peters endeavor, Putins transformation of Sochi relied on a serf labor force. Foreign leaders coming to cheer by Putins side at the opening ceremony, photos with all the Russian medal winners, it is easy to see the attraction. Putin also hoped to drum up some patriotic pride with a big circus to serve with thick black bread. This is the sort of delusion that sets in when a despot confuses himself with the state after too long in power. Absent the feedback mechanisms of a free media and real elections, he begins to believe his glory is the countrys glory, that what makes him happy also makes the people happy.....The International Olympic Committee is an eager partner in all of this and also has a long and dark history. After the triumph of Berlin, for example, the next Games were planned for Tokyo and Rome. New IOC President Thomas Bachs strained protests about how foreign leaders protesting Sochi are inserting politics into sport ignore that fact that selling a huge platform for propaganda and corruption to a dictatorship is also playing politics. By Bachs dubious rationale, the IOC would award the Games to North Korea as long as the venues were adequate and the fees were paid promptly.
A "Peter the Great" moment, precisely. The whole article is worth a read.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)especially the winter games.
It was a beautiful opening ceremony, despite a few glitches, it was awesome.
especially the countries entering for the first time.
didn't even read your post all the way thru, too sour,......the Olympics are on.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What else can come out of a country with a debilitating vodka addiction?
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I have always loved Russian history and culture. I was fortunate to take it Russian in high school for the one year it was offered.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)to hell with the haters,....it's the friggin Olympics !
the torch was AWESOME !
3catwoman3
(24,035 posts)...lighting was the flaming arrow in Barcelona.
MADem
(135,425 posts)but it was visually stunning!
marlakay
(11,486 posts)But the commentators talking during it made me mute the music every time they spoke. Every time she talked while they were performing my husband got more and more pissed so I started muting a bunch of it.
I loved lighting the torch, the dancing. Our sweaters are ugly, I said to husband see the country with smart looking white jackets? They will wear them after, USA's will be hidden in the back of everyone's closet!
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)part of the ceremonies was seeing the American LOOK AT MEEEEEEEE!!!!!! sweaters.
Anyway, along those same lines (look at me-ism and national arrogance), one of the things I enjoy about the Olympics is that when the US does happen to win a gold medal, the person or team can honestly say "World Champions".
Not to denigrate American football or anything, because I do love it, but it always annoys the piss out of me to hear Superbowl winners declare themselves "World Champions". It's even on the t-shirts and stuff.
Whaaaa????
How many other countries did a particular team play to get that far?
Exactly. None.
Stop calling yourselves "World Champions" FGS!!!
goldent
(1,582 posts)Same goes for the NBA, but at least in that case we have some sort of hard evidence every four years.
I would have like to seen American football take off in Europe - it is a great spectator sport, but it is ingrained into Americans at an early age, which doesn't happen in Europe.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Can't people put political or social issues aside for ten minutes and not read everything through the lens of their preconceived notions?
It was an opening ceremony schmaltzy spectacular ... no better, no worse than any of the others (London was ridiculous in many parts, too). There were fabulous things in it, there were laughable things in it. Must we politicize and/or hyperbolize everything? Must we dream up conspiracies as to why a snowflake failed to open?
Whatever your opinion of Vladimir Putin, Edward Snowden, gay rights in Russia (there were so many gays in that ceremony last night--from Tchaikovsky to Eisenstein--it was almost funny) ... stop the nonsense and judge the singing, dancing, and set design on its own merits. In other words,
SNAP OUT OF IT!!
MADem
(135,425 posts)think this is the case. Putin politicized the Games with his anti-gay commentaries and his insistence that gays would interfere with CHILDREN. His regime condones brutality against gays. Human Rights Watch has noticed and commented.
If the Games were about the Games, that would be one thing. These games are not about the Games, though--they are about Putin and his desire to appear as a powerful world leader/dictator, and he doesn't mind projecting a POV of Russia as a homophobic bastion, either--in fact, he welcomes that perception.
You don't have to be gay to understand that being gay is not a "social" issue, either. In Russia, it could very well be a matter of life and death.
I can't believe some of the dismissive attitudes I'm hearing from people who style themselves as progressives. It's offensive, frankly.
Tell your gay friends, neighbors and relatives to "snap out of it." Tell the DUers here who are gay to "snap out of it." WTF is wrong with you? Your attitude is obtuse, or selfish or both--it's embarrassing ... for you.
I'll stand with the LGBT people on this issue. Putin chose to make a point that gay people are not safe in his country, and Obama responded by refusing to grace his little show with his presence, sending a delegation that delivered a hearty F U to that petty little despot, and I applaud and support him for it.
As for that snowflake, that was Gay Karma at work--and it served the miserable old bigot right.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I need no lectures from you on gay rights, either here on in Russia. My record is spotless on that count.
But we offend many of the gay performers, set designers, musicians, dancers, etc. who contributed to that spectacle--and believe me, there were plenty of gay people responsible for the show--when we call it "crappy." The ability to make aesthetic judgments independent of political ones is essential in a free society. Without that kind of separation you get book burnings and labels of "degenerate art."
MADem
(135,425 posts)you think you know something about people based on their work product?
That entire production was Putin-vetted. It's HIS vision.
Make no mistake.
Here, in support of your thesis, some light reading: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/07/sorry-putin-the-sochi-opening-ceremony-was-totally-gay.html
northoftheborder
(7,574 posts)The projection displays on the huge floor were outstanding all the way through---technically amazing and interesting. The ballet was beautiful especially the Swan Lake dance -entrancing. The constellation type figures in the ceiling representing the different athletic events - amazing. The huge moving displays and dances depicting Russian eras in history were inventive and interesting.
The only thing I found cheezy (think Disney parade) was the balloon figures of the onion domes, and all that part.
The uniforms of all the countries were interesting, US was the ugliest.
Lighting of the torch always inspiring and beautiful.
Sad that the stadium appeared to be not even be half full.
egduj
(805 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)My thirteen year old daughter has been watching it and loving it. Taking in the spectacle, the commentary and the teams while being able to rattle off the names of them all and tell me all sorts of things about it since she's big on social studies classes. She's pulling out the NBC Olympics app on her phone to watch live events. And she's just excited to see so many performances ahead after the Thursday night teases she got.
Makes me glad that she's enjoying the athletics themselves and not getting mired in everything else. Not that people shouldn't, but I'm just glad some are able to enjoy the games.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)and dulls your mind.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Would you be happier if I lied and didn't offer a truthful opinion...you know, so Pootie's feelings won't be hurt?
FWIW, I don't "hate." I can find something schlocky and tasteless without going to that depth of emotion.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)I thought the opening ceremonies were quite impressive. Despite the controversy over the gay propaganda law (I can say this because I am gay) I felt bad that the one snowflake did not open as planned to become the final olympic ring.
If you listened to the narrative and the objective of the opening ceremonies it was to depict Russian history - in essence to present Russia (these are the first Olympic games held in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union) to the world. The ceremonies, venues, etc. are intended to show the world that Russia is not the (day wear, evening wear) uniform, colorless, Soviet empire but a modern, technologically savvy country.
I felt they accomplished that. The special effects were spectacular. The head/bodywear of the "hostesses" that accompanied each team into the stadium were a bit weird.
I am not the only one who felt they were quite impressive. I watched them with two friends who had the same impression and I had breakfast with 3 others today and they also thought they were pretty good.
That aside I am still very skeptical of Putin generally and where he is taking Russia and their place in the world. The gay propaganda law is driving homophobia to new heights in the country.
But I would prefer to see a Russia that increasingly sees itself as part of a post-Soviet modern world.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think Putin wants to recreate the USSR--only with sharper uniforms, capitalism, and brighter colors and clothing. And of course, with himself in charge.
The depiction wasn't of Russian history--it was of a fantasy of Russian history.
I'm afraid I'm in agreement with this writer. A bit of "ouch" in that assessment, but I think it's accurate.
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AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Fuck Putin.
MADem
(135,425 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)FSogol
(45,524 posts)The projection technology was awesome as was the gantries for moving 80-foot tall objects around the stadium. It got a little goofy when Russia was proud of their cars (haw-haw) and pretended to invent the 50s. The little girl walking on balloons was cool too.
Lots of reasons to hate the current Russian administration and Putin, but the opening ceremony isn't one of them.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)it was fairly original and that appealed to my senses.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Relying on posters to tell me what is going on. I refuse to watch it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Right now, I'm watching Downton Abbey with half an eye (a hit in our house, even though we've already seen this current season in its entirety, as we got the DVD early). Some here memorize the lines, damn near....
One thing they didn't show was something that popped up virally -- it was a pre-ceremony performance of the Russian police, in all their militaristic, giant-hatted, epauletted, bemedaled and uniformed glory, doing a very credible male-choir rendition of Daft Punk's Get Lucky. Worth a look if you happen to be googling or whatever!