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MADem

(135,425 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:39 PM Feb 2014

Is anyone watching this ghastly OLYMPICS Opening Ceremony display on NBC?

I thought the opening sequence was a muddied mess. Maybe it was more impressive in person; it looked like shit on a very large television. I felt sorry for that poor child flung across the stadium on wires.

I think that Equality Karma prevented that last Olympic ring snowflake from opening. I have to say my first thought was "Gooooooooooooooooood." I'm sure the Pooter was pissed!

I can't believe all these team "escorts" with the goofy Vegas headdresses (one looks like Stewie's head--football shaped!) and slit skirts and go-go boots! Who designed their costumes--Austin Powers? All they need is machine guns in their, er, chest region and they'd be fembots! AP played that for laughs....Pootie is serious.

The USSR anthem tune for the Pootie-directed 'Russian' National Anthem--weird. Like rebooting the Cold War.

Can't wait to see Putin's girlfriend running the flame into the stadium. Corruption and romance, all of a piece!!!

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Is anyone watching this ghastly OLYMPICS Opening Ceremony display on NBC? (Original Post) MADem Feb 2014 OP
WAIT for the second half, after the speeches and then wait for the lighting of the Olympic flame Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #1
Is Pootie's girlfriend THAT remarkable? MADem Feb 2014 #12
The escorts look like plug-in air fresheners. nt greyl Feb 2014 #2
Now that is funny....AND a perfect description. kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #23
I hope those ladies in the weird costumes are getting paid well. undeterred Feb 2014 #3
I think that's what Pootie wanted them to look like, sad to say. MADem Feb 2014 #15
The headdresses are stylized ethnic/folk headdress HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #16
If they looked like that, and had a costume to "go with," they wouldn't be so awful. MADem Feb 2014 #18
I feel compromised by the US Bad Xmas Sweaters HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #32
Well, Ralphie needs to GO as the designer of the US costumes. He sucks. He's had a couple of MADem Feb 2014 #45
Team Canada made up for the sweaters. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #48
The Russian coats were beautiful, imo. Control-Z Feb 2014 #130
I think I'd agree with that. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #204
Yeah, totally lost. undeterred Feb 2014 #36
The same was said of "Abide With Me" during the London Olympics. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #190
It's not a question of "Google." Or "American audiences." MADem Feb 2014 #195
Now you're the arbiter of taste... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #200
I don't know how old you are, but that's not "modern/futuristic." MADem Feb 2014 #207
Some have said they see "The Jetsons" or "Barbarella" in those outfits... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #213
Those costumes are entirely appropriate to the traditions of Rio. MADem Feb 2014 #216
This thread is gonna be full of Ugly American. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #26
Reminds me of Princess Beatrice at the Royal Wedding Tanuki Feb 2014 #40
That hat reminds me of a toilet seat. undeterred Feb 2014 #47
....... Tanuki Feb 2014 #52
.... undeterred Feb 2014 #58
OMG! adirondacker Feb 2014 #76
"Ushers"? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #88
I thought the opening sequence was cool, but the ring snowflake was funny--equality karma indeed. fishwax Feb 2014 #4
One snowflake refusing to conform? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #55
Yeah, but Pootie called him a SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE, arrested him, threw him in jail, and will MADem Feb 2014 #68
To the gulag... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #84
Snowden is confined in luxurious accommodations.... MADem Feb 2014 #87
Ooh, do post pics of Snowden's luxurious accommodations. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #91
He may well be living in that salmon-walled place where he was photographed in that shiny new suit. MADem Feb 2014 #93
From a musical (not lyrical) point of view... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #5
Thank you, I just posted about it below. MH1 Feb 2014 #13
Agree. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #29
Did you notice the two men dancing together during the ballet ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #127
I missed that. What made me chuckle was the little... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #197
No, the Russian national anthem is not the same tune as the Internationale Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #117
I completely agree. I think their Ilsa Feb 2014 #96
Agreed.. pangaia Feb 2014 #104
I think I heard a few notes from Trolololo as well! FrodosPet Feb 2014 #125
It sounds goofy flamingdem Feb 2014 #6
I was about to start the same thread! Pharaoh Feb 2014 #7
"They" say it is the most expensive opening in History. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #24
I didn't make it past the Cost as propaganda piece with the Russian tennis star liberal N proud Feb 2014 #8
Nope. Watching it on CBC. Barack_America Feb 2014 #9
I don't get your issue with the anthem. MH1 Feb 2014 #10
No--the first anthem of the Russian federation was quite different, and they had it for ten years. MADem Feb 2014 #33
Well, not being a Russian myself, I don't get a vote. MH1 Feb 2014 #42
It doesn't really matter what they think. It was an executive decision. MADem Feb 2014 #54
Well, I'm curious what they think. As I recalled it, the Internationale was quite popular, MH1 Feb 2014 #56
If they still hold Russian passports, they'd be well advised to say it's all WONDERFUL! MADem Feb 2014 #64
When was the vote on our national anthem? former9thward Feb 2014 #144
1931. MADem Feb 2014 #145
No vote by the people. former9thward Feb 2014 #148
A vote by the elected representatives of the people. MADem Feb 2014 #149
The same thing happened in Russia. former9thward Feb 2014 #151
You're not serious, are you? MADem Feb 2014 #161
Yes, and our system is so, so perfect. former9thward Feb 2014 #166
You can't even compare the two--and since you're actually trying to, all I can say is I feel sorry MADem Feb 2014 #170
I have spent a month of my life in Russia. former9thward Feb 2014 #176
How special! And now you're an expert on the place... MADem Feb 2014 #178
Russia has had a strong man type government for as long as it existed. former9thward Feb 2014 #181
You sound like those guys who claimed that slaves liked slavery, and women preferred to MADem Feb 2014 #184
I'm not trying to impress you sparky. former9thward Feb 2014 #188
Well, you haven't impressed me, but I get the distinct impression you were trying like hell. MADem Feb 2014 #193
Wow, Seven strawmen in two sentences! former9thward Feb 2014 #196
I don't think so. MADem Feb 2014 #198
No one gets to vote on it. The Wielding Truth Feb 2014 #80
I thought the Russian Winter Olympics Opening Ceremony was pretty spectacular..... democratisphere Feb 2014 #11
I agree. The second half projection technology combined with live performers was magical and the Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #17
The history of Russia is very interesting. democratisphere Feb 2014 #25
It's fascinating. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #34
Me, too. I'm very impressed by Basilica and the ship at sea.... TheDebbieDee Feb 2014 #21
The Ballet Dancers, Costumes, Staging and Music are exceptional! democratisphere Feb 2014 #31
That was breathtaking. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #39
"Fun" fact--the gouged the eyes out of the guy who designed that basilica, so it would be "unique!" MADem Feb 2014 #99
Legend has it... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #121
Ditto otohara Feb 2014 #152
I agree. It was captivating. Impressive LibDemAlways Feb 2014 #157
I won't be watching that davidpdx Feb 2014 #14
It isn't ghastly. I must be watching the other Olympics. kwassa Feb 2014 #19
Whoa, did you see those cool wave effects? JVS Feb 2014 #20
Agreed. Amazing! democratisphere Feb 2014 #22
Please don't watch the ballet. elleng Feb 2014 #27
Ha! I just tuned in to this. babylonsister Feb 2014 #30
Good timing! elleng Feb 2014 #37
Right now, theyre talking about Putin wanting an increased birthrate in Russia... MADem Feb 2014 #46
Red balloon? You really don't do symbolism, do you? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #59
Thanks!!! elleng Feb 2014 #61
Swan Lake was pretty cool. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #65
Swan Lake is ALWAYS cool!!! elleng Feb 2014 #67
I always think of Billy Elliot... breathtaking. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #71
Yes, GOOD explosions! elleng Feb 2014 #72
I do "do" symbolism...but I don't think it's particularly edifying to lift a child MADem Feb 2014 #62
You're difficult to take seriously with your use of "Pootie." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #66
So are you with your championing of a bigot! MADem Feb 2014 #70
Take one of those psychedelic mushrooms, MADem. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #74
I don't do psychedelic mushrooms...sorry! MADem Feb 2014 #85
First world problems. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #98
I think running water that doesn't poison people is a priority in most countries. MADem Feb 2014 #103
There's no denying there are problems... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #110
Are we holding the Olympics in West Virginia? MADem Feb 2014 #115
It was "pulled off" tonight, and you don't like it. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #118
What a pathetic assertion. MADem Feb 2014 #122
Hey, if the, ah, um, valenki fits, eh? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #172
The Chinese didn't approach the press in a bullying fashion and boast about their MADem Feb 2014 #177
No one is championing Putin... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #186
Well, Obama isn't championing him--and good for him. MADem Feb 2014 #189
It wouldn't have mattered if every hotel LibDemAlways Feb 2014 #179
Yup. And the stray/abandoned dog situation saddens me to no end... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #212
Running water that doesn't poison people isn't much of LibDemAlways Feb 2014 #163
I'd say they are treated qazplm Feb 2014 #165
Poisoned water is poisoned water no matter where LibDemAlways Feb 2014 #173
We aren't holding the Olympics in West Virginia, and we don't beat the MADem Feb 2014 #171
Isnt Russia qazplm Feb 2014 #164
LOL WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #169
The Swan Lake? MADem Feb 2014 #60
The LONDON opening ceremony was truly "ghastly." WinkyDink Feb 2014 #28
I thought that was OTT as well, but by comparison to this thing, it was restrained. MADem Feb 2014 #35
It looks like "Triumph Of The Will" meets "Barbarella" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #43
Hee hee! That's about it... MADem Feb 2014 #49
Russian history was't pretty----especially for the Russian people. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #134
Welcome to Sochi! William769 Feb 2014 #38
He washed his face in the sink instead of in bottled water...fool! nt MADem Feb 2014 #50
That will teach him! nt William769 Feb 2014 #53
I like the lights everyone in the crowd have. They just glow without lightening Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #41
Watching it now pipi_k Feb 2014 #44
It will be interesting to see the world feedback Pharaoh Feb 2014 #51
Good grief--I think that bathroom takes the cake! MADem Feb 2014 #57
Heck it looks a lot fancier than our barracks in Fort Gordan 1968 n/t doc03 Feb 2014 #77
You should see barracks these days--you'd confuse them with condos. MADem Feb 2014 #89
Wow I would have stayed in if we had luxury digs like that. doc03 Feb 2014 #100
HA! The BOQ I stayed in at Fort Gordon was the same .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #147
It was joyless tavernier Feb 2014 #63
Please tell me: I am on the west coast, when do they start? potone Feb 2014 #69
I dunno-I tuned in at eight-ish, east coast time. MADem Feb 2014 #73
Watching the alphabet on the West Coast flamingdem Feb 2014 #75
They have a brilliant culture and a fascinating and long history. MADem Feb 2014 #123
Hey ! It's a different world and culture there ! I loved the Russian singer/music. nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2014 #78
What I saw of it was an awesome show, I guess I am doc03 Feb 2014 #79
I'm with you Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #159
+ 1000 LibDemAlways Feb 2014 #180
The part where the Russian Olympic Chairman Spoke Was Hysterical Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #81
I watched with someone who is hard of hearing and unwilling to get an assistive device. MADem Feb 2014 #124
Maria Sharapova is also beautiful, remember in the Cold War when all the doc03 Feb 2014 #82
OH NO YOU DIDN'T Skittles Feb 2014 #92
I thought it was an awesome opening ceremony. Miles sufrommich Feb 2014 #83
The dance segment done to... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #86
Swan Lake as performed by a pod of jellyfish, Tanuki Feb 2014 #90
Jellyfish-mushrooms! MADem Feb 2014 #94
Yes I did! TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #133
It was pipi_k Feb 2014 #146
Rank amateurs. Bennyboy Feb 2014 #95
I will confess it's been many years since I've been to a concert of that type.... MADem Feb 2014 #97
I think it kind of works, design wise flamingdem Feb 2014 #101
Unfortunately, TV viewers in Mother Russia didn't get to see that! MADem Feb 2014 #129
seriously that is the first thing the lights do.... Bennyboy Feb 2014 #105
Shows what I know about modern lighting and staging!! MADem Feb 2014 #108
It got a lot better... Bennyboy Feb 2014 #112
The band MOE last night Bennyboy Feb 2014 #183
I liked it. And Putin's girlfriend- babylonsister Feb 2014 #102
She (how appropriate) carried a TORCH!!!! MADem Feb 2014 #109
the ballet was very nice... chillfactor Feb 2014 #106
Apparently you have not noticed that ALL Olympics Opening Ceremonies are Ghastly. madinmaryland Feb 2014 #107
Of course they are, but some are more ghastly than others. MADem Feb 2014 #111
I am curious why you found the "production" ghastly? I have been seeing the Olympics going back madinmaryland Feb 2014 #113
Never mind, indeed. MADem Feb 2014 #114
I'm offended by what I consider to be your "GO USA" mentality and your madinmaryland Feb 2014 #116
Where, pray tell, have I said "Go USA?" I haven't. MADem Feb 2014 #119
Dubya's nickname for Putin... isn't that clever?! WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #120
They aren't "those" headdresses, though. The "stylized" aspect is lost when paired with a skirt MADem Feb 2014 #131
LOL @ "slit up to where ever". WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #185
Russia is in the midst of government incited porgroms against gay people Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #219
I thought this was one of the best. Control-Z Feb 2014 #132
At least their anthem sounds nice, ours is a British drinking song davidn3600 Feb 2014 #126
Theirs is the old USSR one, with different words.... MADem Feb 2014 #128
I think our anthem sounds just fine qazplm Feb 2014 #167
Absolutely dreadful. Paladin Feb 2014 #135
China's was quite a spectacle. MADem Feb 2014 #136
China's show was impressive to the point of being a little ominous. Paladin Feb 2014 #137
Fair point. MADem Feb 2014 #138
+1. Japan's starting to worry me more than China. (nt) Paladin Feb 2014 #140
They're talking about changing their constitution to support military conduct MADem Feb 2014 #142
I thought it was great B2G Feb 2014 #139
Nope - TBF Feb 2014 #141
I also thought it was great! Owl Feb 2014 #143
the whole point of the olympics NM_Birder Feb 2014 #150
Pity that didn't happen. MADem Feb 2014 #153
I love the Olympics, NM_Birder Feb 2014 #191
I cannot be bothered to watch it. The overly dramatic burlesque is to be expected. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #154
One of the best opening ceremonies I have seen. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #155
I thought it was gorgeous Baclava Feb 2014 #156
I agree Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #160
LOVED IT ! NM_Birder Feb 2014 #192
IMO, best ever Olympic torch... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #158
I have to agree. I don't know if it was "for real" or a bit of artistry, MADem Feb 2014 #162
I liked the dream sequence marlakay Feb 2014 #168
Yeah, the most disturbing pipi_k Feb 2014 #174
I understand your point, but realistically they are the world champions. goldent Feb 2014 #215
**Snap out of it!** frazzled Feb 2014 #175
It would be nice if they could, but you haven't been following the thread if you MADem Feb 2014 #187
And you didn't follow my post frazzled Feb 2014 #201
You're saying you took attendance? Or are you saying that because you believe MADem Feb 2014 #206
MHO of the opening ceremonies: northoftheborder Feb 2014 #182
I thought it was beautiful. egduj Feb 2014 #194
Thank goodness for the innocence of children Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #199
Hate blinds you whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #202
Well, I suppose it takes one...? You're obviously speaking from experience. MADem Feb 2014 #210
Wow, how two people watching the same thing have totally different reactions.... Swede Atlanta Feb 2014 #203
I don't think you will get your wish (about a post-Soviet Russia). MADem Feb 2014 #211
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #205
I refuse to watch AndreaCG Feb 2014 #208
I can't say as I blame you. nt MADem Feb 2014 #209
"Sorry Putin, the Sochi Opening Ceremony Was Totally Gay" WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #214
Late to the party, but I liked the opening ceremony. FSogol Feb 2014 #217
I liked the opening ceremony Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #218
I'm boycotting the Winter Olympics. Rex Feb 2014 #220
I am watching snippets, and clucking disapprovingly! MADem Feb 2014 #221

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. WAIT for the second half, after the speeches and then wait for the lighting of the Olympic flame
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:43 PM
Feb 2014

my friend, and be prepared to be impressed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Is Pootie's girlfriend THAT remarkable?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:57 PM
Feb 2014

I think this dramatic footage with the Russian actors is just .....OTT....

They're skipping over killing their tsar's family, Lenin, WW2 and the gulags, and all that not-so-fun stuff....it would seem.

One of the commenters called it a "kitsch" interpretation of Russian history....I think that's about right.

Big doesn't always equal better. The Chinese Olympics thing with all the people was a bit OTT, but it's coming off as restrained and logical by comparison.

The projection technology is VERY interesting--I just think the subject matter needs a bit more exposition.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
3. I hope those ladies in the weird costumes are getting paid well.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:46 PM
Feb 2014

Walking and smiling with that headdress on should be an Olympic sport.

I hate calling them "escorts"...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. I think that's what Pootie wanted them to look like, sad to say.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:59 PM
Feb 2014

That slit in the skirt and the go go boots was either channeling an escort or seventies vibe--or both.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. If they looked like that, and had a costume to "go with," they wouldn't be so awful.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:03 PM
Feb 2014

As they were, the poor escorts looked like flight attendants from "Whiskey A-Go-Go Airlines," wearing head pieces stolen from the back of Cher's closet.

The ethnic element was lost on the viewers--unless they were from Vegas...!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
32. I feel compromised by the US Bad Xmas Sweaters
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:15 PM
Feb 2014

to make much of a fuss about the headgear.

IMO the plexiglass tubes used to carry the country names are worse, and I have to admit the combination of the headgear and the tubes makes me think Barbarella






MADem

(135,425 posts)
45. Well, Ralphie needs to GO as the designer of the US costumes. He sucks. He's had a couple of
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:27 PM
Feb 2014

cracks at it, and every time he's fucked up. They look like someone ate the US flag and vomited it onto the athletes....

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
36. Yeah, totally lost.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:19 PM
Feb 2014

The only message I got was "I'm not one of the athletes, but I get to be out here in the opening ceremony because I'm willing to wear this bizarre outfit."

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
190. The same was said of "Abide With Me" during the London Olympics.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:38 PM
Feb 2014

Stop making excuses for American audiences. They're just as capable of taking to teh Google to figure out what's going on, to learn the significance of something or someone...

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Why America Didn’t Get To Meet Emeli Sandé In The Olympics Opening Ceremony
http://b96.cbslocal.com/2012/07/30/why-america-didnt-get-to-meet-emeli-sande-in-the-olympics-opening-ceremony/

Seriously, Ryan Seacrest yammering away was preferable?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
195. It's not a question of "Google." Or "American audiences."
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:53 PM
Feb 2014

That is an Austin Powers costume with a Vegas headdress that looks vaguely like traditional headgear. It's...what's the word?

TACKY.

It has nothing to do with understanding. It has everything to do with taste. Tarting up a traditional accessory doesn't enhance cultural understanding--it cheapens it.

It's right up Pootie's alley, though--and this is his show.

And we've had our opportunity to critique London, and we all took it. Con brio, as I recall. Why are you so defensive about this venue? Surely Pootie can take care of himself! No need for you to defend his honor.

No one demands that you share my opinion, you know. It's permissable to disagree.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
200. Now you're the arbiter of taste...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:04 PM
Feb 2014

jolly good!

I hardly see the "escorts" or "ushers" as tarted up. A little leg? The horror! God forbid there be a modern/futuristic twist on a classic.

Say I'm defending Putin one more time. It never gets old.

Considering this OP has a whopping 5 recs, I'm guessing most of us aren't sharing your opinion. On that, I believe, we can agree.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
207. I don't know how old you are, but that's not "modern/futuristic."
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014

It's retro, and a bit tawdry.

I don't hold opinions to be "popular." I suspect most of the people who would agree with my POV are boycotting the Olympics entirely, though--you know, because of that "gay" thing that so many here think isn't a human rights issue, but more like a distraction.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
213. Some have said they see "The Jetsons" or "Barbarella" in those outfits...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:09 PM
Feb 2014

clearly futuristic, science fiction. Because you don't see it doesn't make it not so.

Tawdry? Oooh doggy, I cannot wait for Rio!



Poor American audiences! My goodness, NBC will really have its work cut out ... I can hear Matt Lauer stammering now.

This would be fun, too, in the colors of the Olympic rings:



I'm not seeing "so many here" viewing the "gay thing" as a distraction, so again, we disagree.




MADem

(135,425 posts)
216. Those costumes are entirely appropriate to the traditions of Rio.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 12:58 AM
Feb 2014

They are out of place in a small town on the Black Sea in Russia.

Tawdriness, or inappropriateness, is as much a function of setting as anything else.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
26. This thread is gonna be full of Ugly American.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:10 PM
Feb 2014

Just like the idiot announcer (Lauer?) who joked about the used car dealer inflatables.

Oooh, ballet now...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. Yeah, but Pootie called him a SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE, arrested him, threw him in jail, and will
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:05 AM
Feb 2014

deport him in a few weeks!

And to prevent that snowflake from "influencing" the good people of Russia, his minions quickly substituted the rehearsal footage that showed all of the snowflakes opening (and while I'm being sarcastic upthread, I'm dead serious about that--no one watching TV in Russia saw that glitch)...so much for "freedom of the press"--the propaganda machine is oiled up and running, even for stupid stuff like a technical boo boo.

Russian TV faked footage of the Olympic opening ceremony to stop viewers realising the iconic rings had failed to light - the biggest of several embarrassing moments on the night President Putin wanted to show off his country to the world.
Minutes into the ceremony in Sochi there was a glitch when one of the five snowflakes failed to open out into an Olympic ring, leading a planned pyrotechnic display to be cancelled.
But all was well if you were watching state broadcaster Rossiya 1 - which cut straight to rehearsal footage where the rings came together and exploded on cue. Producers confirmed the switch had happened, and claimed it was important to preserve the imagery of the Olympic symbols.
Konstantin Ernst, executive creative director of the opening ceremony, told reporters he called down to master control to tell them to go to the practice footage when he realised what happened. 'This is certainly bad, but it does not humiliate us', he insisted, adding that the use of pre-recorded footage was an 'open secret'.
The show's artistic director George Tsypin confirmed the malfunction was caused by a bad command from a stage manager.

It came on a night featuring torchbearers which included an alleged racist and Putin's rumoured gymnast lover; pop stars who have pretended to be lesbians despite real gay people facing a crackdown; and an enormous droopy-eyed animatronic bear...



Wonder if that stage manager is a bit nervous right now....?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
87. Snowden is confined in luxurious accommodations....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:45 AM
Feb 2014

He has utility to the Pootster.

The gay people are reviled and unwanted. Worse, they are PERSECUTED. It's really the shame of the nation, particularly in this century. Astounding that the society continues to refuse to acknowledge their unjustified hatred and bigotry.

And of course, all Pootie has to do is say "We will have a new policy," and there would be one. He could make change by decree--like he did when he closed down the last "opposition" press outlet quite recently.

But he doesn't do that decree thing when it comes to equality. He likes that his people have an immediate outlet for their hatred.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
91. Ooh, do post pics of Snowden's luxurious accommodations.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:55 AM
Feb 2014

I like real estate.

I live in North Carolina. You can stop preaching to me about "unwanted" gay people (state constitution amended thanks to a 61-39% vote banning "gay marriage," which was shameful). Maybe Putin will "evolve," like Obama. Although Putin has a much longer way to go on the evolutionary scale...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
93. He may well be living in that salmon-walled place where he was photographed in that shiny new suit.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:59 AM
Feb 2014

He's not releasing his whereabouts--he only pops up to drop a turd of intel every now and again. Whether or not that's choreographed by someone other than him, time will tell.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
5. From a musical (not lyrical) point of view...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:48 PM
Feb 2014

I always felt The Internationale was a great song. Much better than our bar room song.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
13. Thank you, I just posted about it below.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:57 PM
Feb 2014

I think the music is beautiful, and they did a good rendition of it. I'd forgotten it was called the Internationale.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
127. Did you notice the two men dancing together during the ballet
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:31 AM
Feb 2014

sequence? Given the homophobia there, I had to laugh.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
197. I missed that. What made me chuckle was the little...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:53 PM
Feb 2014

Pac Man-ish dancer, who ran a bit too far during the flag number. Perhaps another nonconformist like the snowflake? It was during this, and it was adorable:



S/he eventually made it back into line, thank goodness, for according to some, hard labor was on the horizon...

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
117. No, the Russian national anthem is not the same tune as the Internationale
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:42 AM
Feb 2014

The Soviet anthem that we knew from older Olympics was called "Hymn of the Soviet Union." It replaced the Internationale, which is the international Communist anthem, some time after Stalin, I think.

After the breakup of the Soviet Union, the words were written to refer only to Russia.

Here's the Internationale:



Here's the Soviet/Russian national anthem (same tune, very different words)

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
125. I think I heard a few notes from Trolololo as well!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:21 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:11 AM - Edit history (1)

From a comment on the video, I am not the only one!



 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
7. I was about to start the same thread!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:52 PM
Feb 2014

This is like the lamest opening "Ever"!!

I mean, it's the fucking Olympics! Spend a few bucks!

How many times per century do you get to host the Olympics

liberal N proud

(60,340 posts)
8. I didn't make it past the Cost as propaganda piece with the Russian tennis star
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:52 PM
Feb 2014

Telling us all how great things are in Sochi and Russia.



MH1

(17,600 posts)
10. I don't get your issue with the anthem.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:55 PM
Feb 2014

I thought back when the USSR broke up, Russia decided to keep the anthem music and change the lyrics.

I had studied a couple years of Russian back in high school (when it was the USSR) and we sort of "learned" the anthem as part of the class. I always thought the music itself was beautiful, even if the words and the politics were a bit off-putting.

Listening to it tonight - although I couldn't translate it, the words were definitely different than what we learned as the USSR anthem. But I still thought the music was beautiful.

So I don't get your comment about the anthem. There are plenty of other things wrong with Russia these days, and with this Olympics, sadly. I don't think the Russian anthem is one of them. (but maybe if I knew what the words meant I'd feel differently)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. No--the first anthem of the Russian federation was quite different, and they had it for ten years.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:16 PM
Feb 2014

POOTIE decided to bring the old one back (with revised lyrics). Here's the last one:



Music by: Mikhail Glinka
In use: 1990-2000

Russia's first anthem adopted upon independence from the Soviet Union was a piece by the national hero of composing, Mikhail Glinka. Glinka's works were also no stranger to consideration as national anthems for Russia, for example during the spring of 1917 when a new national anthem was needed after the last czar abdicated, some people proposed that any work from Glinka's opera "A Life for the Czar" be considered as a new national anthem. This piece may have been intended for that work.

The notes for this piece was found in the papers of Glinka in the late 19th century. Written in the same format as the score for "A Life for the Czar" (known in Soviet times as "Ivan Susanin&quot , it was suggested it could have been intended for this opera. However, the title that Glinka gave it, "Motif de Chant Nationale" suggests it could have been written as an entry for a national anthem contest, possibly for the national anthem of 1833 (which was around the time that this opera was being written). It has also been pointed out that the tune appears in a 16th century Polish hymn, and thus may not be original to Glinka. The title "The Patriotic Song" was given to it in 1944 when the melody was arranged for the "All-Union Radio Committee of the USSR".

In the spring of 1990, the government of the Russian SFSR (within the USSR) debated what should be the republic's anthem (it was the only one of the Soviet Republics to never adopt a national anthem), and Glinka's melody was unanimously adopted in November of that year, and consequently became the anthem of an independent Russia when independence was proclaimed just over one year later. There was some complaint among the citizens that there was no lyrics to the anthem, and so there was a competition in late 1999 to compose words for the anthem. The contest was won in November 1999 by Victor Radugin with his poem "Славься, Россия!" "Slav'sya, Rossiya!" (Be glorious, Russia!), but, upon President Yeltsin's resignation at the end of the following month, the words never became official, as the new president favoured the old Soviet melody, which was later adopted.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
42. Well, not being a Russian myself, I don't get a vote.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:23 PM
Feb 2014

I think that musically, the Internationale is quite moving. But if I remember next week, I'll ask a couple folks at my job, who happen to be from Russia, what they think.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. It doesn't really matter what they think. It was an executive decision.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:38 PM
Feb 2014

One guy made the call--The Shirtless One!

MH1

(17,600 posts)
56. Well, I'm curious what they think. As I recalled it, the Internationale was quite popular,
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:41 PM
Feb 2014

and even if Pootie dictated the change, that doesn't mean that everyone hated it, and actually I thought a lot of Russians liked it. But I could be wrong.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
64. If they still hold Russian passports, they'd be well advised to say it's all WONDERFUL!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:52 PM
Feb 2014

You never know who might be listening...or informing.

For all they know, you could be on the phone to Moscow tomorrow!

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
148. No vote by the people.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:43 AM
Feb 2014

The poster you replied to said "not being a Russian I get no vote." You then said it was an "executive decision." Well guess what? So was ours. The people got no vote. There have been no end of complaints about our anthem over the years yet it remains.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
149. A vote by the elected representatives of the people.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:48 AM
Feb 2014

The legislature is not the executive--I know you know that.

You're just not thinking it through. They're two separate branches of government.

"We" didn't vote on the ACA either. That didn't make the ACA an "executive decision" either.

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
151. The same thing happened in Russia.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:53 AM
Feb 2014
The Duma voted 381–51–1 in favor of adopting Alexandrov's music as the national anthem on 8 December 2000. Following the vote, a committee was formed and tasked with exploring lyrics for the national anthem. After receiving over 6,000 manuscripts from all sectors of Russian society, the committee selected lyrics by Mikhalkov for the anthem.

After the bill was approved by the Federation Council on 20 December, "On the National Anthem of the Russian Federation" was signed into law by President Putin on 25 December, officially making Alexandrov's music the national anthem of Russia.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anthem_of_Russia

MADem

(135,425 posts)
161. You're not serious, are you?
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:08 PM
Feb 2014

You do realize that what Putin wants, Putin gets?

There's about as much "discussion" as there is in N. Korea with Kim Jong Un.

Putin wanted this change, and so it happened. Just like he wanted the opposition press to "disappear," so they did.

He's a dictator. He's been in power for what, twenty four years, now?
He has switched off in the past with his little lackey Medvedev at the mandated election cycle, but he runs the country. With his iron hand. And with each passing year, he further consolidates his power.

Many of Putin's actions are regarded by the domestic opposition and foreign observers as undemocratic.[5] The 2011 Democracy Index stated that Russia was in "a long process of regression (that) culminated in a move from a hybrid to an authoritarian regime" in view of Putin's candidacy and flawed parliamentary elections.[6]



Good grief...!

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
166. Yes, and our system is so, so perfect.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:18 PM
Feb 2014

It always represents the people doesn't it.... But no matter, posters will continue throwing rocks in their glass house.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
170. You can't even compare the two--and since you're actually trying to, all I can say is I feel sorry
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:27 PM
Feb 2014

for you. Your lack of awareness as to the situation on the ground in Mother Russia is, well, laughable. No--sad. Very sad, indeed. You have some reading up to do, I think.



Have a nice day.

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
176. I have spent a month of my life in Russia.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:37 PM
Feb 2014

It is not remotely like the picture that posters paint. Of course that was before the evil Snowden landed there. That seems to have changed everything for the Authoritarians.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
178. How special! And now you're an expert on the place...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:41 PM
Feb 2014

but you apparently didn't realize that it's a functional dictatorship.

Ohhhh kay....

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
181. Russia has had a strong man type government for as long as it existed.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:48 PM
Feb 2014

The Russian people favor that type of government. The only dissent is where someone wants their strong man to be in charge. I don't come from that tradition. Only someone who has never traveled the world thinks that everyone yearns for Western style democracy. Most of the world does not. I have been fortunate enough to have traveled in 42 countries -- most non-Western. Different people like different things. I wish U.S. Presidents understood that including our current one.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
184. You sound like those guys who claimed that slaves liked slavery, and women preferred to
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:09 PM
Feb 2014

stay home and do housework.

Please. Quit while you're behind.

I haven't been to Australia or Iceland...but I've been pretty much everywhere else. I spent half my long life outside of USA, LIVING, not visiting, in the Middle East, Europe and Asia, and your "one month in Russia" and your little visits hither and yon just don't impress me much, there, sport.

I'll wager I have a better handle on human aspirations than you could ever hope to, judging by the nonsense you're spouting. You apparently have very little appreciation for the things that motivate people--self-determination is a biggie.

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
188. I'm not trying to impress you sparky.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:35 PM
Feb 2014

You have your mind made up and its your way and no one else matters. Like most Authoritarians. Nice desperate try to throw strawmen in there. Now my views are equal to pro-slavery and anti-women. Ohhh Kay....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
193. Well, you haven't impressed me, but I get the distinct impression you were trying like hell.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:45 PM
Feb 2014

I'm not the one excusing the gay bashing dictator, and claiming that the population LIKES being subjugated, either--so long as we're throwing that "A" word around, sport. I guess those stupid little Russians, Georgians, Armenians, Latvians and all the FSU states were just what--dumb and clueless?-- to break up the good ole USSR--they didn't know how good they had it, the Silly Billies!

PRO TIP: If you don't want to sound like a paternalistic bigot, it's best not to say things that sound bigoted or paternalistic.

Works every time!

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
196. Wow, Seven strawmen in two sentences!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:53 PM
Feb 2014

Is that a record for you? Funny you think anyone would want to impress some anonymous electrons on a internet discussion board. I think I will avoid your Pro Sensible advice but thanks for giving it.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
11. I thought the Russian Winter Olympics Opening Ceremony was pretty spectacular.....
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:56 PM
Feb 2014

and extremely well done.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. I agree. The second half projection technology combined with live performers was magical and the
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:03 PM
Feb 2014

music, fireworks was spectacular for sure. Naysayers have it wrong.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
99. "Fun" fact--the gouged the eyes out of the guy who designed that basilica, so it would be "unique!"
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:08 AM
Feb 2014

Wonder if he would have taken on the job, had he known...!

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
152. Ditto
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:55 AM
Feb 2014

the technology used on the floor was amazing.

Everything else was very Russian...what do people expect?

Well done.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
14. I won't be watching that
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:58 PM
Feb 2014

None of it. I swear if my TV is turned on the Olympics I'll pull that damn fucking cable out of the wall with my bare hands.

I have already committed to going to the 2018 Winter Olympics.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. Right now, theyre talking about Putin wanting an increased birthrate in Russia...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:32 PM
Feb 2014

While that poor little kid is back on the strings letting go of a red balloon...

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
59. Red balloon? You really don't do symbolism, do you?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:46 PM
Feb 2014

And yes, that poor child, "star" of the 2014 Winter Olympics.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
65. Swan Lake was pretty cool.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:54 PM
Feb 2014

Perhaps some on this thread should take those aforementioned psychedelic mushrooms to calm down.

I realize I'm supposed to hate it because of Fast Eddie, Greenwald, Obama, shirtless Putin, equality and those poor stray dogs, but I don't.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Chevy feature a gay couple getting married in one of its commercials?

Oh great, now an opera singer. They'll be busting on that, too...

elleng

(131,081 posts)
67. Swan Lake is ALWAYS cool!!!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:02 AM
Feb 2014

Missed some commercials, when changed over to Rachel show, so I'm not fully informed.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
71. I always think of Billy Elliot... breathtaking.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:08 AM
Feb 2014
?w=300&h=169

I just Googled this:

Chevy Olympic ads feature gay couples
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Chevy-Olympic-ads-feature-gay-couple-5215141.php

And we're back to the Coke commercial... wingnut heads exploding!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. I do "do" symbolism...but I don't think it's particularly edifying to lift a child
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:51 PM
Feb 2014

to "splat" distances in the air to make a teeny little point...especially since that "red balloon" is more like a boomerang--what it represented, along with the old national anthem, is baaaaaaaaaack (with a vengeance) under Pootie.

And if you can't figure that out, YOU don't "do" symbolism. That's what this whole political power projection exercise is all about.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
66. You're difficult to take seriously with your use of "Pootie."
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:01 AM
Feb 2014

Didn't George Bush come up with that?

Releasing negative to make room for positive... try it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
70. So are you with your championing of a bigot!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:08 AM
Feb 2014

And that's the point...but hey, I guess you don't "do" symbolism!

Look into his eyes...you'll see his soul!

I'm always positive--I'm positive that I have no "room" for anyone who thinks it is "OK" to support bigots who persecute and imprison people for the "crime" of being gay.

Try THAT on for size, why don't you?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
74. Take one of those psychedelic mushrooms, MADem.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:15 AM
Feb 2014

In no way, shape, or form am I championing the homophobic Putin. Or the racist torch-bearer Irina what's-her-name. But you knew that.

Fireworks go boom... enjoy!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
85. I don't do psychedelic mushrooms...sorry!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:38 AM
Feb 2014

The fireworks and the technical imagery were the best thing about this hot mess. The bigoted Pootie dictator is simply unforgivable. Nothing to "enjoy" about that asshole.

It was OTT revisionist "history"--closer to fantasy--and I think they wasted their money. They should have spent it on silly things, like finishing the athletes' rooms, running water that wasn't poisoned, and bathrooms that offer a modicum of privacy....! If they really wanted to be sports, they could have rounded up the dogs and tried to find them homes instead of killing them off wholesale.










http://consumerist.com/2014/02/07/olympics-reporter-uses-clothesline-tape-to-deal-with-lack-of-shower-curtain/

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
98. First world problems.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:06 AM
Feb 2014

I'd rather their pampered press asses be in Syria, covering something REALLY important.

Dogs were killed in Greece, too. Makes me ill.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/1466744/Greeks-to-poison-up-to-15000-stray-dogs-before-the-Olympics.html

Obscene amounts of money are spent on these games, in general. Just like with presidential campaigns in the United States. Priorities are waaaaaay off...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
103. I think running water that doesn't poison people is a priority in most countries.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:13 AM
Feb 2014

Inviting thousands of people to come to a major world event and not having shitters that work is more than a "First World" problem.

A First World Problem is "They ran out of BLONDE coffee at the Starbucks! Waaah" or "Someone bought the last bunch of arugula at the Whole Foods! Waaah!"

Providing adequate shelter and toileting facilities for athletes coming from all over the world--when you've KNOWN they were coming since 2007--is a fucked up, disorganized, corrupt government/couldn't get their shit together problem!

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
110. There's no denying there are problems...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:49 AM
Feb 2014

but Sochi isn't London or Vancouver or Sydney. (I'd add Atlanta, but there was that horrible bombing.) Whining about downed curtains and Putin's pic adorning hotel walls is something I have little sympathy for. And the mocking of technical glitches is something I find unappealing, whether it's the Russian ring, or Canadian torch. And how widespread are the water problems? Speaking of water... West Virginia! Coal ash dumped by Duke Energy in North Carolina... mmm, arsenic.

"Fucked up, disorganized" -- I guess the same could be said for a certain website that was years in the making, and cost how much? But quickly remedied, unlike Sochi, at least. In my state, we're dealing with fucked up DHHS software that cost hundreds of millions of dollars. Talk about not getting their shit together, and now the state is being sued for God knows how much because of the problems. Problems abound.

Perhaps Rio will be more to your liking...


MADem

(135,425 posts)
115. Are we holding the Olympics in West Virginia?
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:30 AM
Feb 2014

Who knew??? And who knew that the ACA was passed into law in 2007...before Obama was even elected? Oh, but wait....it wasn't.

You shouldn't be trying for false equivalence to distract from a fair point. It just makes your lack of an argument more obvious.

It is NOT unreasonable for someone coming to an Olympic Village to expect working bathrooms and rooms that are ready and heated, with simple things like light bulbs and towels. Why you would think otherwise is beyond me.

Look, Putin has KNOWN that this party was on his schedule for the past seven bloody years. He shouldn't have proposed Sochi if he couldn't pull it off.

This was as much about having an excuse to "pacify" a region in the name of Olympic security as anything else. Why else would he propose a Winter Olympics in a subtropical city on the same latitude as Nice, France?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
118. It was "pulled off" tonight, and you don't like it.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:45 AM
Feb 2014

*Because Snowden.*

Enough of this toxicity (and not just the water).

Aaaah, better...

?w=753

MADem

(135,425 posts)
122. What a pathetic assertion.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:01 AM
Feb 2014

How about "because" this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-from-russia-everyone-needs-to-see






There's a whole storyboard there--and not one picture of Eddie. You might want to check it out, if you dare.



I think it's amazing that so many people can ignore Equality "because Snowden."

And they can ignore the elimination of the opposition press "because Snowden."

But hey--whatever helps you to sleep at night.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
172. Hey, if the, ah, um, valenki fits, eh?
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:31 PM
Feb 2014

Were you this outraged during the Shanghai Olympics? Displaced poor, censorship and human rights violations, pollution, bile bears, slaughtered rhino boner pills. And isn’t this where the “pretty girl” lip-synched to the actual singing of the “not as pretty girl”? Not cool, China!

What will you latch onto during the upcoming Rio Olympics? Crime, abject poverty, fraud?

How about abuses right here in the good ol’ U S of A?



http://uwire.com/uwire/wp-content/themes/gazette/thumb.php?src=&w=250&h=180&zc=1&q=90



And this:



in response to this:



Perhaps “so many” really aren’t ignoring all of this at all, they’re just taking a more thoughtful approach.

Glass houses, you know.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
177. The Chinese didn't approach the press in a bullying fashion and boast about their
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:39 PM
Feb 2014

shortcomings. They avoided political controversy and made the games about the games--not about gay bashing.

Putin has made it a point to puff up his objections to gay people--it's a point of PRIDE with his regime. Are you pretending you missed this shit? Really?

He's been belligerently bigoted, proud of it, and he's finding a shocking number of champions on this supposedly progressive board.

Amazing. Obtuse, and amazing.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
186. No one is championing Putin...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:20 PM
Feb 2014

that's your first mistake.

And there it is: the swipe at a "supposedly progressive board." Like clockwork.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
189. Well, Obama isn't championing him--and good for him.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:36 PM
Feb 2014

But I can't say as much for those who insist that objecting to Putin's politicization of these Games is a "swipe."

It's offensive if someone doesn't bring it up, particularly on a progressive board.

Putin could have avoided excoriation had he not made it a point to make gay athletes feel unwelcome. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp? No capacity for empathy? No concern if it's not your concern? Post a picture of a clock and engage in a bit of "clockwork" snark about a real, serious and frightening human rights issue that's playing out before our eyes?

What is "bad form" is people who will kick over the traces and pretend there isn't a problem, here. Amazing how some can haul out the "Then they came for me" poem when they have their feelings hurt about something, but lack the capacity to grasp that people's lives are endangered in that country for being who they are, and the cultural mindset of the dictator in charge is that this attitude and circumstance are points of pride.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
179. It wouldn't have mattered if every hotel
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:42 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Was a 5 star and there were no glitches at all. This is all about politics. And, thank you for the reference to West Virginia. A couple of the posters here seem to suggest that poisoning US citizens is no big deal but funky water coming out of Sochi taps is horrific.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
212. Yup. And the stray/abandoned dog situation saddens me to no end...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:46 PM
Feb 2014

but here in the United States, it's estimated that 4 million shelter animals are put down EVERY YEAR. Some gassed, like in North Carolina. 4 fucking million. Where's the outrage?

I'm wondering if these problems are really as bad as some reporters are suggesting, or if they're just pushing the "Russia sucks" narrative. One was bitching about not being able to throw TP in the commode. Poor baby, must not have travelled much...

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
163. Running water that doesn't poison people isn't much of
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:15 PM
Feb 2014

a priority in West Virginia either. Just sayin. I don't like Putin and I hate government sanctioned bigotry, but it isn't as though gay people are uniformly treated with dignity and equality across the US. We have a long way to go on that score as well.

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
165. I'd say they are treated
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:18 PM
Feb 2014

way, way better in the US than in Russia.

And we aren't holding the Olympics in WV. Comparing our worst to what they are holding out as their best isn't exactly an equivalent comparison.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
173. Poisoned water is poisoned water no matter where
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:31 PM
Feb 2014

it is. And I suppose gay people should consider themselves lucky to live in a land where "they" are treated "way, way" better. Whatever.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
171. We aren't holding the Olympics in West Virginia, and we don't beat the
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:29 PM
Feb 2014

shit out of gays every time they try to have a pride parade. Many states have sanctioned marriage and civil unions.

We're on our way. We are moving rapidly in the right direction.

They're going backwards, and they're proud of it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. The Swan Lake?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:47 PM
Feb 2014

They look like psychedelic mushrooms! Nice effect, though!

Very "Austin Powers!"

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. I thought that was OTT as well, but by comparison to this thing, it was restrained.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:18 PM
Feb 2014

I think they got a lot of their crazy ideas from that one, though!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Hee hee! That's about it...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:35 PM
Feb 2014

Ironically, the "rock and roll" and "weddings/babies" sequence with the brightly colored costumes and white and red outfits could have been choreographed by John Waters--it had the vibe of some of his films....but of course, he would have been arrested and then tossed out on his ass after being jailed for several weeks had he shown up to do the work!

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
41. I like the lights everyone in the crowd have. They just glow without lightening
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:22 PM
Feb 2014

up their surroundings. It's neat when everyone waves them.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. Good grief--I think that bathroom takes the cake!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:42 PM
Feb 2014

Let's all have a shit and a visit, shall we?

What? Don't have to poop? Well, come along and brush your teeth, and join the fun!!!!

?w=500

MADem

(135,425 posts)
89. You should see barracks these days--you'd confuse them with condos.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:53 AM
Feb 2014

Oh, and some branches don't call 'em barracks anymore--they're DORMS in the USAF--like you're off to college!

It's an All Volunteer Force--in these times, people don't put with the same stuff that draftees put up with, back in the day.


Airman 1st Class Katie Davis of the 45th Medical Support Squadron stands in her dorm room on Patrick Air Force Base. The room won the prize of Best Dorm ...

doc03

(35,363 posts)
100. Wow I would have stayed in if we had luxury digs like that.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:08 AM
Feb 2014

I was in a two bunk room in Germany it was about 7' x 15', we had two bunk beds and two steel lockers and a small table in the corner. We also had a beer cooler. We were in an old SS barracks that had outside walls like 2 feet thick, we stored our beer between the outer storm window and the inner window in the winter..

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
147. HA! The BOQ I stayed in at Fort Gordon was the same ....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:39 AM
Feb 2014

.... in 1970. Open bay toilets. The BOQ was a converted barrack. We each had a separate room portioned off by unpainted plywood, but the normal communal bath at the end of the building. My "room" was right next to it.

potone

(1,701 posts)
69. Please tell me: I am on the west coast, when do they start?
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:06 AM
Feb 2014

I am watching these boring interviews on NBC; how long does this go on before they show the actual opening ceremonies?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. I dunno-I tuned in at eight-ish, east coast time.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:13 AM
Feb 2014

It's, of course, all recorded, even here, but it should be coming up for you soon!!!

They just showed Pootie's girlfriend--she looks young enough to be his granddaughter....I'm sure she looked into his eyes and saw his soul, too ...

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
75. Watching the alphabet on the West Coast
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:18 AM
Feb 2014

Russia has an amazing culture, Pootie isn't the point, the people are often much better educated than our fellow Americans.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
123. They have a brilliant culture and a fascinating and long history.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:18 AM
Feb 2014

Pootie is the point, though--this is HIS show, and he approved everything you see.

I think it's too much.

It makes the London Olympics Mary Poppins Brigade look...minimalist!

doc03

(35,363 posts)
79. What I saw of it was an awesome show, I guess I am
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:24 AM
Feb 2014

not prejudiced because of the political differences we have.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
159. I'm with you
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:05 PM
Feb 2014

Belittling an entire country and peoples because we are upset at some political/cultural differences because we are obviously so stellar and culturally advanced here.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
81. The part where the Russian Olympic Chairman Spoke Was Hysterical
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:25 AM
Feb 2014

The guy is the first to speak after all the hoopla and display and when he starts talking in Russian, Matt Lauer felt compelled to tell the viewer that the guy is NOT speaking English and that the man is, imagine that, speaking Russian. He then offers that they (NBC) have a copy of the speech and an interpreter to read it, but apparently they decided not use the interpreter and instead go with Lauer to tell the viewer what he was saying. Lauers interpretation of the man's speech went something like, "...welcome to the games...yadda yadda yadda... glad you could make it....really proud....something else....solemn occasion....something else ....yadda yadda...hey look there's Putin lookng on."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
124. I watched with someone who is hard of hearing and unwilling to get an assistive device.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:21 AM
Feb 2014

To cut down on the "HUH?" and "WHAT?" I turned on the closed captioning--they actually had a transcription of the speech, such as it was. He didn't say much.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
82. Maria Sharapova is also beautiful, remember in the Cold War when all the
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:28 AM
Feb 2014

Russian women we saw looked like Earnest Borgnine in drag?

3catwoman3

(24,035 posts)
86. The dance segment done to...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:44 AM
Feb 2014

...Swan Lake, with the dancers inside the swirling lighted strands, was one of the most visually pleasing things I've ever watched - ethereal and surreal.

TexasTowelie

(112,395 posts)
133. Yes I did!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 05:21 AM
Feb 2014


I just watched the late night replay. It was very ethereal.

Now for a quick nap before the skating starts.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
146. It was
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:21 AM
Feb 2014

beautiful!

I think I heard them say before it started that each host country was charged with sending out its own "dove of peace", and that's what those dancers were supposed to represent.

Seen from above, they did appear to be doves flapping their wings at times.

And then when they isolated the dancers and virtually manipulated the background to simulate actual flight...I thought it was very moving.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
95. Rank amateurs.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:01 AM
Feb 2014


EVERY rock band in the world has that light set up. That star thingie is the first thing you learn to make the lights do in rock lighting 101. The floats were cool but the lighting is god awful and the leader persons costumes are so horrible it is beyond words.

Someone from the Russian Olympic Committee should have seem Roger Waters last tour. Or Phish ore ven Beibers tour. Even KISS in the 80's.....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
97. I will confess it's been many years since I've been to a concert of that type....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:06 AM
Feb 2014

I guess the few things that "impressed" me were no big whoop, then! I liked the lights, I liked the singing (even though much of it was, as someone else said, a bit "joyless&quot and I thought the fireworks were kind of cool. That whole fantasy thing at the start was painful, but I did LOVE LOVE LOVE the NONCONFORMIST FIFTH RING!

That was the highlight of the whole thing!

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
101. I think it kind of works, design wise
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:09 AM
Feb 2014

It breaks the boring symmetry and makes it unique, and truly memorable!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
129. Unfortunately, TV viewers in Mother Russia didn't get to see that!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:42 AM
Feb 2014

They saw the footage of the rehearsal rings, where all went according to plan!

I guess they filmed the rehearsal, and had it running along with the live show, "just in case" something went amiss.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
105. seriously that is the first thing the lights do....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:19 AM
Feb 2014

Out of the box. On card one. Now a good light tech would have made them spin, change colors and mesh into the logo flawlessly.... The whole low techiness of everything was really mind blowing. The lighting up clothing? Go to BurningMan sometimes. My fake mink coat glows like that and it was NOTHING to make with today's LED technology and light wire.

Seriously low grade lighting and staging.

And where did all the athletes go? I thought they gathered on the infield in a show of unity?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
108. Shows what I know about modern lighting and staging!!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:37 AM
Feb 2014

I think the athletes were herded to the stands--they showed them sitting amongst the crowds.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
112. It got a lot better...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:02 AM
Feb 2014

I really liked it, the beginning not so much, but the end there is pretty amazing. The Inflatables were great.

chillfactor

(7,582 posts)
106. the ballet was very nice...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:26 AM
Feb 2014

otherwise it was a show for Putin only...not for the world stage..I finally turned it of...boring!

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
107. Apparently you have not noticed that ALL Olympics Opening Ceremonies are Ghastly.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:36 AM
Feb 2014

Unless of course you are one of these folks:



GO USA!!!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
111. Of course they are, but some are more ghastly than others.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:52 AM
Feb 2014

Do you routinely insult people in such a grievous manner when you disagree with them?

That's a pretty nasty comment, ya know!

I'm not making personal digs at you because I have a difference of opinion....

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
113. I am curious why you found the "production" ghastly? I have been seeing the Olympics going back
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:07 AM
Feb 2014

to the early 1970's and have found them ALL to be very schlocky AT BEST.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but your comments in the OP are pathetic at best. Maybe you shouldn't make such


nevermind.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
114. Never mind, indeed.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:14 AM
Feb 2014

You "offended" yourself by resorting to personal insult, not me.

You disagree with me, fine. I've stated my reasoning to justify my personal opinions throughout this thread. You don't like them, so you reply by calling me names. All you have managed to do, by way of 'reply,' is liken me to the "Get a brain" idiot and then follow up with calling me "pathetic."

Way to advance your argument there! Why not throw in an "I hate you, you poopy head!" to round it all out?

See what your problem is? You can't HELP but resort to personal insult. You call names instead of discussing issues, and that's YOUR rather major problem--not mine.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
116. I'm offended by what I consider to be your "GO USA" mentality and your
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:31 AM
Feb 2014

apparent dislike of an Olympics being held in Russia. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I get from your OP and it IS pathetic.

I suppose it's going to be this way all the way through the whole event here in GD.

BTW: These are your issues:

I can't believe all these team "escorts" with the goofy Vegas headdresses (one looks like Stewie's head--football shaped!) and slit skirts and go-go boots! Who designed their costumes--Austin Powers? All they need is machine guns in their, er, chest region and they'd be fembots! AP played that for laughs....Pootie is serious.

The USSR anthem tune for the Pootie-directed 'Russian' National Anthem--weird. Like rebooting the Cold War.

Can't wait to see Putin's girlfriend running the flame into the stadium. Corruption and romance, all of a piece!!!


Should this type of shit be in the lounge or the entertainment group????? To post this shit in GD is bizarre at best.

And what the fuck is "pootie"??



MADem

(135,425 posts)
119. Where, pray tell, have I said "Go USA?" I haven't.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:52 AM
Feb 2014

But hey, you've got nothing left, so now you're making shit up.

The women leading the athletes did look like Fembots, Pootie (that's Putin, since you're affecting a clueless attitude) DID dump the first Russian Federation anthem for the USSR one (something you would know about if you'd bothered to read the thread carefully--I covered that), and Putin's girlfriend DID run into the stadium with a torch.

Now, your "complaint" is that "this type of shit" should "be in the lounge or the entertainment group."

In short--let me sum up: You don't like what I've had to say, so NOW you're complaining about a thread that is a valid General Discussion topic not being in the "right" place to suit you--solely because you don't like my opinions!

I think, if you go back down the years here at DU, you'll see DOZENS of "Olympics" threads in GD. And since you're plainly confused about what belongs in GD, let me HELP you recall what's appropriate for this forum:

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.


The Winter Olympics is a "current event" that happens once every four years--it's BIG news. INTERNATIONAL news, covered in every country in the world. Pootie (that's Putin, again) has politicized it in an extreme fashion. For you to want to shove this topic off into the entertainment group--particularly with the overlay of the gay bigotry issue-- is, well, laughable.

Keep digging the hole--I've gotta say, you're a veritable excavator!

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
120. Dubya's nickname for Putin... isn't that clever?!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:57 AM
Feb 2014

That excerpt only demonstrates ignorance, with a twist of dailymailuk snark, particularly about the headdresses. Thanks to a poster up thread for pointing out the symbolism to those headdresses. I got to Googling, and they're quite interesting.

It's impossible to escape. Just like with the brain trust who thought *American the Beautiful* is the National Anthem, to be sung only in *American*!

(Sorry, had to jump in, but out now...)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
131. They aren't "those" headdresses, though. The "stylized" aspect is lost when paired with a skirt
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:01 AM
Feb 2014

that's slit up to where ever, and finished off with Go Go boots.

They didn't look a thing like what Catherine the Great wore. They DID look like something Sally Rand or the naked showgirls in Vegas might wear. Some of them were shaped like Stewie Griffin's head.



They're apparently in reference to a "Snow Maiden" of myth---that accounts for the odd shape(s).

I rather doubt they are meant to be worn with cheesy seventies-style "stewardess" outfits, though.

Russian traditional clothing (which has some nexus with Persian tribal clothing) is quite remarkable--why not riff on that, instead of Hooters Airlines? They could have done a modern take on that, instead of Fembot chic...

Not sure what "America the Beautiful" has to do with this...but then, there are people who don't know what the tune to the Russian (former USSR) anthem is, these days, either...granted, they have an excuse--it's been changed three times in the last quarter century.

Pootie approved it all, though--so it IS his taste.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
185. LOL @ "slit up to where ever".
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:13 PM
Feb 2014

Are we getting to the root of the problem, MA? Naked showgirls, fembots, Hooters waitresses, sexy stewardesses... those outfits seem to have *really* gotten to you.

The mighty Putin approved everything down to the headgear? Impressive! And just because you can't see "kokoshnik" around the go-go boots doesn't make it not so:


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Something along these lines would have been cuter, and better showcased against the white stadium backdrop:



But it seems like quite a silly thing to get bent out of shape over.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
219. Russia is in the midst of government incited porgroms against gay people
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 07:43 PM
Feb 2014

I don't have any animosity towards the people of Russia nor any nation on the planet, and I'm not big on American exceptionalism. But their current regime is disgusting and its leader even more so.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
132. I thought this was one of the best.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:29 AM
Feb 2014

Swan Lake. Beautiful ballet. The star show. The architecture. All beautiful. Most of it beautifully Russian, preformed by Russian artists.

Screw Putin. Love the people.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
128. Theirs is the old USSR one, with different words....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:34 AM
Feb 2014

After Yeltsin came in, they got rid of it (along with the USSR). They had another one for ten years, but then Putin decided he wanted to go back to the USSR one.

It's like the Cold War, all over again...with fewer players.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
136. China's was quite a spectacle.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 09:45 AM
Feb 2014

I think they paid attention not to just how it would look in the stadium, but how it would look on television, as well. That probably contributed to their success. Plus, it was a very tight production.

Paladin

(28,272 posts)
137. China's show was impressive to the point of being a little ominous.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 09:52 AM
Feb 2014

I remember turning to my wife while it was going on and commenting on that level of technology being utilized on a battlefield....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
138. Fair point.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 10:15 AM
Feb 2014

Makes it all the more urgent that we get our "people" OFF the doggone battlefield!!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
142. They're talking about changing their constitution to support military conduct
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 10:55 AM
Feb 2014

beyond the "self-defense" imprimatur.

Interesting times ahead...

TBF

(32,089 posts)
141. Nope -
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 10:48 AM
Feb 2014

I have no interest in that place. Attacking civil rights, shooting dogs on the street ... I can get that here in this country thanks to our over-zealous police. I don't need to support it abroad as well.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
150. the whole point of the olympics
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:51 AM
Feb 2014

is to put politics aside and celebrate the gathering of nations, if even for just a little while.

The opening ceremony was awesome, the fact that 5 nations sent athletes to Olympics for the FIRST time ever is awesome.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
153. Pity that didn't happen.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:59 AM
Feb 2014
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/07/putin-s-sochi-and-hitler-s-berlin-the-love-affair-between-dictators-and-the-olympic-games.html

The 2014 Winter Games officially open in Sochi today, seven long years after the winning bid so strongly and personally supported by Russian president Vladimir Putin. Most Russians were ambivalent about this accomplishment despite our natural devotion to winter sports. What was a country with no remaining sports infrastructure for its children doing offering to spend twelve billion dollars to host foreign athletes? The official budget has since grown to over $50 billion, more than the combined cost of every previous Winter Games combined, according to a Dutch newspaper. It would be a surprise if more than 25% of those billions did more than pass through Sochi on their way from the Russian treasury to Swiss bank accounts and the London real estate market.

Social media has already turned Sochi into an international laughingstock as foreign reporters arrived to find unfinished and damaged hotels with toxic water and stray dogs in the rooms. One can only pray that the venues and courses will prove safer for the athletes and fans and that the security cordon is run more professionally. Hosting the Olympics a half-day’s journey from an active terrorist hotspot was absurd to begin with, and the incompetence demonstrated by the organizers thus far is not reassuring.

Do not mistake the epic graft in Sochi as unusual or incidental. Corruption is the overriding principle of Putin’s 14 years in power and looting the Russian treasury and the Russian people is itself the goal. For all the foolish attempts to interpret Putin’s geopolitical strategy and personal ideology, the common denominator is always whether or not an action helps him maintain the cash flow that in turn enables him and his clique to stay in power.

Putin also wanted the Sochi Olympics to be his Peter the Great moment, the beloved Soviet summer resort town turned into an international jewel the way Saint Petersburg was built into an Imperial capital practically from scratch. It can even be said that, like Peter’s endeavor, Putin’s transformation of Sochi relied on a serf labor force. Foreign leaders coming to cheer by Putin’s side at the opening ceremony, photos with all the Russian medal winners, it is easy to see the attraction. Putin also hoped to drum up some patriotic pride with a big circus to serve with thick black bread. This is the sort of delusion that sets in when a despot confuses himself with the state after too long in power. Absent the feedback mechanisms of a free media and real elections, he begins to believe his glory is the country’s glory, that what makes him happy also makes the people happy.....The International Olympic Committee is an eager partner in all of this and also has a long and dark history. After the triumph of Berlin, for example, the next Games were planned for Tokyo and Rome. New IOC President Thomas Bach’s strained protests about how foreign leaders protesting Sochi are “inserting politics into sport” ignore that fact that selling a huge platform for propaganda and corruption to a dictatorship is also “playing politics.” By Bach’s dubious rationale, the IOC would award the Games to North Korea as long as the venues were adequate and the fees were paid promptly.


A "Peter the Great" moment, precisely. The whole article is worth a read.


 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
191. I love the Olympics,
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:42 PM
Feb 2014

especially the winter games.

It was a beautiful opening ceremony, despite a few glitches, it was awesome.
especially the countries entering for the first time.

didn't even read your post all the way thru, too sour,......the Olympics are on.


JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
154. I cannot be bothered to watch it. The overly dramatic burlesque is to be expected.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:01 PM
Feb 2014

What else can come out of a country with a debilitating vodka addiction?

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
160. I agree
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:07 PM
Feb 2014

I have always loved Russian history and culture. I was fortunate to take it Russian in high school for the one year it was offered.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
162. I have to agree. I don't know if it was "for real" or a bit of artistry,
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:09 PM
Feb 2014

but it was visually stunning!

marlakay

(11,486 posts)
168. I liked the dream sequence
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:25 PM
Feb 2014

But the commentators talking during it made me mute the music every time they spoke. Every time she talked while they were performing my husband got more and more pissed so I started muting a bunch of it.

I loved lighting the torch, the dancing. Our sweaters are ugly, I said to husband see the country with smart looking white jackets? They will wear them after, USA's will be hidden in the back of everyone's closet!

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
174. Yeah, the most disturbing
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:34 PM
Feb 2014

part of the ceremonies was seeing the American LOOK AT MEEEEEEEE!!!!!! sweaters.


Anyway, along those same lines (look at me-ism and national arrogance), one of the things I enjoy about the Olympics is that when the US does happen to win a gold medal, the person or team can honestly say "World Champions".

Not to denigrate American football or anything, because I do love it, but it always annoys the piss out of me to hear Superbowl winners declare themselves "World Champions". It's even on the t-shirts and stuff.

Whaaaa????

How many other countries did a particular team play to get that far?

Exactly. None.

Stop calling yourselves "World Champions" FGS!!!

goldent

(1,582 posts)
215. I understand your point, but realistically they are the world champions.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:27 PM
Feb 2014

Same goes for the NBA, but at least in that case we have some sort of hard evidence every four years.

I would have like to seen American football take off in Europe - it is a great spectator sport, but it is ingrained into Americans at an early age, which doesn't happen in Europe.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
175. **Snap out of it!**
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:37 PM
Feb 2014

Can't people put political or social issues aside for ten minutes and not read everything through the lens of their preconceived notions?
It was an opening ceremony schmaltzy spectacular ... no better, no worse than any of the others (London was ridiculous in many parts, too). There were fabulous things in it, there were laughable things in it. Must we politicize and/or hyperbolize everything? Must we dream up conspiracies as to why a snowflake failed to open?

Whatever your opinion of Vladimir Putin, Edward Snowden, gay rights in Russia (there were so many gays in that ceremony last night--from Tchaikovsky to Eisenstein--it was almost funny) ... stop the nonsense and judge the singing, dancing, and set design on its own merits. In other words,

SNAP OUT OF IT!!


MADem

(135,425 posts)
187. It would be nice if they could, but you haven't been following the thread if you
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:24 PM
Feb 2014

think this is the case. Putin politicized the Games with his anti-gay commentaries and his insistence that gays would interfere with CHILDREN. His regime condones brutality against gays. Human Rights Watch has noticed and commented.

If the Games were about the Games, that would be one thing. These games are not about the Games, though--they are about Putin and his desire to appear as a powerful world leader/dictator, and he doesn't mind projecting a POV of Russia as a homophobic bastion, either--in fact, he welcomes that perception.

You don't have to be gay to understand that being gay is not a "social" issue, either. In Russia, it could very well be a matter of life and death.

I can't believe some of the dismissive attitudes I'm hearing from people who style themselves as progressives. It's offensive, frankly.

Tell your gay friends, neighbors and relatives to "snap out of it." Tell the DUers here who are gay to "snap out of it." WTF is wrong with you? Your attitude is obtuse, or selfish or both--it's embarrassing ... for you.

I'll stand with the LGBT people on this issue. Putin chose to make a point that gay people are not safe in his country, and Obama responded by refusing to grace his little show with his presence, sending a delegation that delivered a hearty F U to that petty little despot, and I applaud and support him for it.

As for that snowflake, that was Gay Karma at work--and it served the miserable old bigot right.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
201. And you didn't follow my post
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:06 PM
Feb 2014

I need no lectures from you on gay rights, either here on in Russia. My record is spotless on that count.

But we offend many of the gay performers, set designers, musicians, dancers, etc. who contributed to that spectacle--and believe me, there were plenty of gay people responsible for the show--when we call it "crappy." The ability to make aesthetic judgments independent of political ones is essential in a free society. Without that kind of separation you get book burnings and labels of "degenerate art."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
206. You're saying you took attendance? Or are you saying that because you believe
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014

you think you know something about people based on their work product?

That entire production was Putin-vetted. It's HIS vision.

Make no mistake.

Here, in support of your thesis, some light reading: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/07/sorry-putin-the-sochi-opening-ceremony-was-totally-gay.html

northoftheborder

(7,574 posts)
182. MHO of the opening ceremonies:
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:53 PM
Feb 2014

The projection displays on the huge floor were outstanding all the way through---technically amazing and interesting. The ballet was beautiful especially the Swan Lake dance -entrancing. The constellation type figures in the ceiling representing the different athletic events - amazing. The huge moving displays and dances depicting Russian eras in history were inventive and interesting.

The only thing I found cheezy (think Disney parade) was the balloon figures of the onion domes, and all that part.

The uniforms of all the countries were interesting, US was the ugliest.

Lighting of the torch always inspiring and beautiful.

Sad that the stadium appeared to be not even be half full.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
199. Thank goodness for the innocence of children
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:59 PM
Feb 2014

My thirteen year old daughter has been watching it and loving it. Taking in the spectacle, the commentary and the teams while being able to rattle off the names of them all and tell me all sorts of things about it since she's big on social studies classes. She's pulling out the NBC Olympics app on her phone to watch live events. And she's just excited to see so many performances ahead after the Thursday night teases she got.

Makes me glad that she's enjoying the athletics themselves and not getting mired in everything else. Not that people shouldn't, but I'm just glad some are able to enjoy the games.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
210. Well, I suppose it takes one...? You're obviously speaking from experience.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:29 PM
Feb 2014

Would you be happier if I lied and didn't offer a truthful opinion...you know, so Pootie's feelings won't be hurt?

FWIW, I don't "hate." I can find something schlocky and tasteless without going to that depth of emotion.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
203. Wow, how two people watching the same thing have totally different reactions....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:14 PM
Feb 2014

I thought the opening ceremonies were quite impressive. Despite the controversy over the gay propaganda law (I can say this because I am gay) I felt bad that the one snowflake did not open as planned to become the final olympic ring.

If you listened to the narrative and the objective of the opening ceremonies it was to depict Russian history - in essence to present Russia (these are the first Olympic games held in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union) to the world. The ceremonies, venues, etc. are intended to show the world that Russia is not the (day wear, evening wear) uniform, colorless, Soviet empire but a modern, technologically savvy country.

I felt they accomplished that. The special effects were spectacular. The head/bodywear of the "hostesses" that accompanied each team into the stadium were a bit weird.

I am not the only one who felt they were quite impressive. I watched them with two friends who had the same impression and I had breakfast with 3 others today and they also thought they were pretty good.

That aside I am still very skeptical of Putin generally and where he is taking Russia and their place in the world. The gay propaganda law is driving homophobia to new heights in the country.

But I would prefer to see a Russia that increasingly sees itself as part of a post-Soviet modern world.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
211. I don't think you will get your wish (about a post-Soviet Russia).
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:34 PM
Feb 2014

I think Putin wants to recreate the USSR--only with sharper uniforms, capitalism, and brighter colors and clothing. And of course, with himself in charge.

The depiction wasn't of Russian history--it was of a fantasy of Russian history.

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with this writer. A bit of "ouch" in that assessment, but I think it's accurate.

Response to MADem (Original post)

FSogol

(45,524 posts)
217. Late to the party, but I liked the opening ceremony.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 07:30 PM
Feb 2014

The projection technology was awesome as was the gantries for moving 80-foot tall objects around the stadium. It got a little goofy when Russia was proud of their cars (haw-haw) and pretended to invent the 50s. The little girl walking on balloons was cool too.

Lots of reasons to hate the current Russian administration and Putin, but the opening ceremony isn't one of them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
220. I'm boycotting the Winter Olympics.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:40 PM
Feb 2014

Relying on posters to tell me what is going on. I refuse to watch it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
221. I am watching snippets, and clucking disapprovingly!
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:19 PM
Feb 2014

Right now, I'm watching Downton Abbey with half an eye (a hit in our house, even though we've already seen this current season in its entirety, as we got the DVD early). Some here memorize the lines, damn near....

One thing they didn't show was something that popped up virally -- it was a pre-ceremony performance of the Russian police, in all their militaristic, giant-hatted, epauletted, bemedaled and uniformed glory, doing a very credible male-choir rendition of Daft Punk's Get Lucky. Worth a look if you happen to be googling or whatever!

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