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uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:08 AM Feb 2014

1980, US and a lot of countries boycotted the Olympics. Do you remember why?

Ironic. Very ironic. I do not understand these times we live in now.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Summer_Olympics_boycott

The 1980 Summer Olympics boycott of the Moscow Olympics was a part of a package of actions initiated by the United States to protest against the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan.[1] It preceded the 1984 Summer Olympics boycott carried out by the Soviet Union and other Communist-friendly countries.

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The United States was ultimately joined in the boycott by some other countries – including Japan, West Germany (Schmidt was able to convince the national Olympic committee not to send a team by a narrow margin), China, the Philippines, Argentina and Canada. Some of these countries competed at the Olympic Boycott Games in Philadelphia. Notably, United Kingdom, France and Australia supported the boycott but allowed their athletes to participate if they wished and left the final decisions to participate in the Games to their respective National Olympic Committees and the individual athletes of the countries concerned. The United Kingdom and France sent a much smaller delegation of athletes than usual. The British equestrian, hockey, and yachting associations boycotted completely.[10] Nevertheless, the delegation of the United Kingdom was the largest among Western Europe, with 170 athletes applying to compete.[11]

Spain, Italy, Sweden, Iceland and Finland were other principal nations representing western Europe,[11] though Italian athletes belonging to military corps did not attend the Games, due to the government's support of the boycott, which severely affected many events. Some American-born athletes who were citizens of other countries, such as Italy and Australia, did compete in Moscow.

At the Opening and Closing Ceremonies, athletes from a number of countries, including Australia, Andorra, Belgium, Denmark, France, United Kingdom, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Puerto Rico, San Marino, Spain, and Switzerland, marched under the Olympic Flag, instead of their national flags, a fact that the Soviet TV coverage alternately ignored. Lord Killanin permitted athletes to compete at the Olympic Games without their national flags or anthems which allowed National Olympic Committees (NOCs) to send athletes in a non-national context. This did not allow for individuals to compete under national NOCs because the NOCs believed it would weaken their authority.[12] Moreover, although the government of New Zealand officially supported the boycott, four athletes from that country competed independently and marched under their NOC's flag.[13] Altogether, the athletes of 16 countries were not represented by their national flags, and the Olympic Anthem replaced their national anthems at medal ceremonies. As a result, there was one ceremony where three Olympic Flags were raised.

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1980, US and a lot of countries boycotted the Olympics. Do you remember why? (Original Post) uppityperson Feb 2014 OP
Well we sure did get one up on them. Ha. We got 'em now. And they let us into the Olympics. libdem4life Feb 2014 #1
Hah! This thought didn't occur to me until now. Lasher Feb 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Feb 2014 #3
Even more ironically, we wanted them to invade Afghanistan (according to Zbigniew Brzezinski) htuttle Feb 2014 #4
Think of how much better Afghanistan would be off today... Ron Obvious Feb 2014 #5
Yes, but they're liberated now. SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #8
A country ruled by warlords is not capitalist. former9thward Feb 2014 #36
I believe that was sarcasm. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #39
Perhaps. former9thward Feb 2014 #41
I believe we call them job creators. SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #42
We tried to remake Afghanistan in our image. former9thward Feb 2014 #43
The last one before Reagan..... funny that.... alittlelark Feb 2014 #6
Lots of water under that bridge, but babylonsister Feb 2014 #7
Funny thing is, Russia didn't invade; the Soviets INTERVENED Scootaloo Feb 2014 #9
"Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road for peace" Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #26
Didn't the "Tariki governemnt" take power in a Soviet backed coup in 1978? hughee99 Feb 2014 #44
homerun reddread Feb 2014 #10
It was for human rights RobertEarl Feb 2014 #11
Nothing to do with 'human rights'. former9thward Feb 2014 #37
Carter's own words RobertEarl Feb 2014 #46
And if they hadn't invaded Afghanistan? former9thward Feb 2014 #48
It really was practically the opposite of "human rights"... countryjake Feb 2014 #45
Carter's own words RobertEarl Feb 2014 #47
Yes. Soviet Union in Afghanistan. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #12
But THAT WAS DIFFERENT, DAMMIT! Ken Burch Feb 2014 #13
Because fucking bush bombed it before he bombed Iraq.. and we're getting Cha Feb 2014 #19
We're getting out now...6 years later. progressoid Feb 2014 #27
11? Octafish Feb 2014 #34
Because opium sales fund our covert operations. sofa king Feb 2014 #35
Before I even clicked on your link... ReRe Feb 2014 #14
Yes. A coworker's life was ruined by that decision and the capriciousness of time. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #15
Does anybody think it may have been one of the reasons, besides the Iran Cleita Feb 2014 #16
It certainly meshed well with the conservatives' view of the Soviets JHB Feb 2014 #17
He lost becuause the economy was a mess. former9thward Feb 2014 #38
I remember this very well..... KauaiK Feb 2014 #18
Yep... K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #20
K&R Fumesucker Feb 2014 #21
I don't remember anyone not coming Jenoch Feb 2014 #22
That was Lake Placid, New York; 1980 Summer Olympics were in Moscow countryjake Feb 2014 #23
I was being facetious. Jenoch Feb 2014 #24
The problem with Sochi is that it is very hard to get there. former9thward Feb 2014 #40
One country did boycott NoGOPZone Feb 2014 #30
Their beef was (is) with the IOC Jenoch Feb 2014 #32
Noted, but never claimed it wasn't. nt NoGOPZone Feb 2014 #49
Living up to your name...well done...nt Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #25
Russia in Afghanistan. no_hypocrisy Feb 2014 #28
I remember when President Carter YarnAddict Feb 2014 #29
Without reading anything other than the thread title . . . Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #31
I never knew there was a 1976 boycott. Codeine Feb 2014 #33

Lasher

(27,636 posts)
2. Hah! This thought didn't occur to me until now.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:24 AM
Feb 2014

Very ironic indeed. Thanks for the reminder. This is worthy of some reflection.

Response to uppityperson (Original post)

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
4. Even more ironically, we wanted them to invade Afghanistan (according to Zbigniew Brzezinski)
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:37 AM
Feb 2014

So we boycotted them for doing what we hoped they would do, and then did ourselves a couple of decades later.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
5. Think of how much better Afghanistan would be off today...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:43 AM
Feb 2014

Women in particularly, if that regime had been kept in place.

8. Yes, but they're liberated now.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:29 AM
Feb 2014

I defy anyone to look at Afghanistan and not be awestruck at the uplifting power of capitalism.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
41. Perhaps.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 01:35 PM
Feb 2014

I see constant misuse of the terms "capitalist" and "socialist" on this board. I don't care if you are either one or some combination but at least apply the terms correctly.

42. I believe we call them job creators.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 02:38 PM
Feb 2014

All I know is that Afghanistan was a repressive soviet socialist hellhole before the West decided to arm those freedom fighters you malign as warlords. And now look at it - who wouldn't want to raise their children in Afghanistan, land of liberty?

babylonsister

(171,082 posts)
7. Lots of water under that bridge, but
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:27 AM
Feb 2014

I do wish people would take history into consideration. We're supposed to learn from it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. Funny thing is, Russia didn't invade; the Soviets INTERVENED
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:01 AM
Feb 2014

That's right; the Tariki government asked for Soviet help.

Hep against whom? well, the mujaheddin rebels. Originally a problem started by Pakistan, these guys soon came under CIA influence. Yes, with full presidential support; That would be president Carter, mind you. Operation Cyclone funneled money and arms to mujaheddin well before the USSR got involved - the intent was to bring down the pro-Soviet government in Afghanistan. Through our shitty Little client State of Saudi Arabia, we managed to cast the Soviet intervention as a war against Islam, winning tons of new recruits for the mujaheddin.

Now, mind - the Tariki government wasn't on the side of angels - part of the reason there was an opposition was because this government was pretty fucking brutal - By the time Carter signed the funding papers, something like twenty-seven thousand Afghans had been executed - not killed in fighting, but executed as criminals - as part of the government's plan to totally "modernize" the country.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
44. Didn't the "Tariki governemnt" take power in a Soviet backed coup in 1978?
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 03:07 PM
Feb 2014

Reading your post, one might be left with the impression that a fairly elected leader (Tariki) asked for help from an uninterested neutral party (the USSR) to fend off the mujaheddin and the CIA.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
10. homerun
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:05 AM
Feb 2014

nearly a Grand Slam. When the world gets done with us for our malarkey, we will not be holding our heads up.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
46. Carter's own words
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:18 AM
Feb 2014

President Jimmy Carter’s remarks to members of the U.S. Olympics teams, March 21, 1980: <snipped>

But it is absolutely imperative that we and other nations who believe in freedom and who believe in human rights and who believe in peace let our voices be heard in an absolutely clear way, and not add the imprimatur of approval to the Soviet Union and its government while they have 105,000 heavily armed invading forces in the freedom-loving and innocent and deeply religious country of Afghanistan.



"I have notified the U.S. Olympic Committee that with Soviet invading forces in Afghanistan, neither the American people nor I will support sending an Olympic team to Moscow."
The next day, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 386-12 to support Carter's call.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
48. And if they hadn't invaded Afghanistan?
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 10:46 AM
Feb 2014

The Soviet Union was a dictatorship putting people in gulags. Carter had no problem with that. It was all about Afghanistan.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
45. It really was practically the opposite of "human rights"...
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 05:15 PM
Feb 2014

That boycott was purely for political reasons, part of a red-hot "cold war" strategy at a time when our CIA was recruiting mujahedin from all over the world, shipping them to training camps in Afghanistan and arming them, simply to kick the "commies" out of the country. Our government didn't give two figs about the people of Afghanistan when President Carter called for backing out of those Moscow Olympics, it was all part of the "game" we were playing with the USSR. Afghans were used as nothing but pawns on the chess board of Brezhnev and Carter and to this day, they still suffer from it.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
47. Carter's own words
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:19 AM
Feb 2014

President Jimmy Carter’s remarks to members of the U.S. Olympics teams, March 21, 1980: <snipped>

But it is absolutely imperative that we and other nations who believe in freedom and who believe in human rights and who believe in peace let our voices be heard in an absolutely clear way, and not add the imprimatur of approval to the Soviet Union and its government while they have 105,000 heavily armed invading forces in the freedom-loving and innocent and deeply religious country of Afghanistan.



"I have notified the U.S. Olympic Committee that with Soviet invading forces in Afghanistan, neither the American people nor I will support sending an Olympic team to Moscow."


The next day, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 386-12 to support Carter's call.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. But THAT WAS DIFFERENT, DAMMIT!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:28 AM
Feb 2014

It's ok for US to be in Afghanistan because...because...help me here folks, there's gotta be SOMETHNG....

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
35. Because opium sales fund our covert operations.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 01:12 PM
Feb 2014

Hey, you wanted it, there it is. You think it's a joke, but just you go looking into it to disprove it, and see what you find....

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
15. Yes. A coworker's life was ruined by that decision and the capriciousness of time.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:35 AM
Feb 2014

He literally spent his entire life getting on the team and he was too old for the '84 games. We worked in the same bar.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
16. Does anybody think it may have been one of the reasons, besides the Iran
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:38 AM
Feb 2014

hostage situation, that Jimmy Carter lost the election to Ronald Reagan? I always wondered.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
17. It certainly meshed well with the conservatives' view of the Soviets
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:56 AM
Feb 2014

That and the Sandinista victory in Nicaragua, and various insurgents, fed into their view that Detente with the Soviets was just a way of for them to bide their time until they could expand.


Even so, the polls didn't start clearly breaking Reagan's way until shortly before the election. Personally, I attribute the bulk of that to the realization that there would be no "October Surprise" by Carter bringing the Iran Embassy hostages home in time for the election. Once it became clear that he didn't have an ace up his sleeve there, it combined with Afghanistan, Central America, and the economy to send the numbers Reagan's way on election day.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
38. He lost becuause the economy was a mess.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 01:28 PM
Feb 2014

High unemployment plus super high inflation is not a good mix.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
22. I don't remember anyone not coming
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:58 AM
Feb 2014

to the 1980 Winter Olympics. The U.S. hockey team defeated the USSR and then Finland to win the Gold. I think Eric Heiden did quite well in speed skating as well.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
23. That was Lake Placid, New York; 1980 Summer Olympics were in Moscow
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 08:05 AM
Feb 2014

It wasn't until 1994 that the seasonal games were split up to occur alternately every two years, before that they'd both been held during the same year, ever four years.

The USA did not attend the summer games in Moscow in 1980.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
24. I was being facetious.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 01:24 AM
Feb 2014

It's February. The 2014 WINTER Olympics are being conducted in Russia. I am going to guess that this will be one of the lowest fan attendance of any winter olympics ever.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
40. The problem with Sochi is that it is very hard to get there.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 01:32 PM
Feb 2014

Olympics should be held where there are major airlines/rail hubs.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
29. I remember when President Carter
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:53 AM
Feb 2014

announced the boycott. I believe it was in the same televised address when he announced that he was reinstating draft registration. My heart sank when I saw that. I knew right then that he would probably not be re-elected.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
31. Without reading anything other than the thread title . . .
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 11:13 AM
Feb 2014

yes. Because the Ruskies (then the Soviet Union) invaded Afghanistan. Tragically, the boycott added to Carter's defeat in 1980 to you-know-who.

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