Michael Dunn Jury Reaches 11 Hour Deliberations Mark

[SoCalMusicLover]

They are going back to the hotel for dinner at 6 EST, no word if they will return for more deliberations, or if we're going to carry over to Friday at this point.

[geek tragedy]

1. At this point, it's looking like a hung jury, with 1-2 racist holdouts refusing to convict

I can see 3-4 hours, but 11? Something's not right.

[SoCalMusicLover]

3. I'm Leaning Towards Hung Also

I can't see how 12 jurors could possibly acquit him of all charges. But it's Florida, so I put nothing past them.

If they were all on the same page about his guilt, I think we would have seen verdicts by now, so like you said, it could be a couple of holdouts that will hang up the jury as if their lives depended on it.

Never underestimate the stubbornness of a racist supporting another racist.

[herding cats]

7. This is what I'm worried about.

Yes, there is some complicated matters to deliberate over as far as murder 1 or murder 2, but I'm beginning to think the delay may go deeper than that. I hope I'm wrong, but I've gone from being hopeful to apprehensive.

[Bandit]

13. I hate being a grammer nazi but this one really bugs me

It is I've gone from being hopeful not I've went from being hopeful

[herding cats]

15. edited and corrected.

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention.

[pinboy3niner]

16. Grammar

I hate being a spelling nazi, but...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

17. LOL. It never fails.

This is why I don't correct people on the inner-tubes.

[Chorophyll]

19. Seriously. It's not worth it.

Or should I say "seriesly."

[johnp3907]

21. Quotation marks were called for also.

But I didn't mention it. Until now.


Now I'm paranoid. Should I have put a comma between "for" and "also?"

[Control-Z]

9. I was on a jury (rape trial)

that had 3 sexist men. It took us the first day of deliberations to talk 2 of them down. It took the entire next day to get the last old white sexist pig to admit the woman didn't deserve it. He didn't argue it was rape. He just thought she deserved it.

[NobodyHere]

25. Little too early to be playing the race card isn't it?

nt

[etherealtruth]

26. What exactly is "the race card"?

[NobodyHere]

28. In this case,

It's insinuating that racism is the cause of the jury not coming to a verdict yet , despite no evidence of racism.

[etherealtruth]

32. Ah, I see

Fearing (or as you put it "insinuating&quot that a criminal justice steeped in racism may come to another unjust verdict is somehow likened to playing a game.

Interesting.

[bravenak]

31. Good grief!

Have you ever been to Florida?

They just closed quite a few minority heavy polling places. But not the ones in the white areas. Nothing racist going on in Florida ever.

[bravenak]

2. It's taking too long.

Thanks for the update.
How long does it take to say guilty? I would have been done in 5 minutes, smoke break included.

[JI7]

11. if the races where switched it would have been an easy guilty

[bravenak]

12. You betcha!

They would have taken the obligatory hour to deliberate, and the death penalty phase would start immediately.

[etherealtruth]

27. I am hoping the only point of disagreement is ....

... whether it was first or second degree murder. (i want to believe that our justice system works, at least every now and then)

[bravenak]

35. Me too.

I don't want to think that the system is rigged, but I think the system is rigged.

If this guy gets away with this murder, it will embolden all kinds of crazy folks. And teenage boys will start packing to protect themselves from grown men.

[etherealtruth]

38. Sadly "they" have already become emboldened

.... but ... I really want to believe in fairness and justice in the face of (yet another) brazen murder.

I can't even wrap my mind around the kind of hate that lives within someone like Dunn

[bravenak]

39. That kind of hate to me is based in fear.

Black men scare him. That's all there is to it. Being scared probably made him angry. The kid was uppity, back talking, not submitting to his authority, questioning his privilege to force preferences on him and his friends. He wasn't going to let that thug get away with disrespecting him. He's the type that would have been apart of a lynching party.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

4. This here is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle.

People expect to hear things instantly, and if it doesn't happen instantly, it means something's wrong. And the panicking ensues.

It's jury deliberations. These things can take time. Chill.

[X_Digger]

6. +1

Too much 'Law and Order', too.

All cases are resolved between the 'Dum-dums'.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

18. I thought we would have a verdict by noon-ish.

[Chorophyll]

20. I hope you're right.

And I suppose if I were on trial I would want the jury to take as long as it needed.

On the other hand, I would never shoot anyone for playing loud music, go eat pizza, and then claim self defense. But that's just me.

[Boom Sound 416]

5. Stupid Florida

[HappyinLA]

8. I'm not shocked

I was foreman on a jury in a domestic abuse case. Clear cut, guy wanted to go home, his girlfriend/mother of his kid didn't and so his solution was to drag her down the street by her hair. It took us 3 days to convict. All because we had one guy who didn't think the witness, the club security guard, really saw it happen in front of him.

Some folks just get on a jury and their IQ's drop.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. If this guy gets off, I would recommend younger African Americans leave Florida

Apparently gunning down unarmed African American kids for wearing hoodies or playing music is not an issue there.

[Boom Sound 416]

24. ...

Snip

Of the 133 people who have used the “Stand Your Ground” defense, 76 were white. Forty (less than 52 percent) of these individuals were considered by a court of law as being justified in their use of deadly force without retreating, to protect their lives. Twenty-five of these 76 people were found in a court of law to be unjustified in their usage of such defense and were subsequently found guilty. Eleven cases involving whites who used the “Stand Your Ground” defense are still pending in the courts. Out of whites who used the SYG defense, less than 52 percent were found to be not guilty.


Forty-four African-Americans have used the “Stand Your Ground” defense in Florida. Of these 44 cases, it was determined by a court of law that 24 (55 percent) were justified in their use of deadly force. There were 11 African-Americans out of the 44 cases who were found guilty, while 11 cases involving the original 44 are still pending in the legal system.


In Florida, since passage and inception of the “Stand your Ground” law, less than 52 percent of the whites who used it as a defense were found to be justifiable in their actions and 55 percent of the African-Americans who used the same defense were found to be justified in their actions. African-Americans have successfully used the Stand Your Ground Law, successfully as their legal defense more than any other race (percentage wise) since its inception.


Firearms-related violent crime in Florida has dropped 33 percent in just four years, from 2007 to 2011. Coincidentally, over the same time period concealed carry permits rose a staggering 90 percent. All forms of violent crime have dropped 26 percent during this same time period.

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So why does Florida suck? Cause TV told me and TV doesn't TV.

[gollygee]

29. A more interesting statistic

would be the race of the person killed. Also, white on black killings vs. black on white killings.

I think a smaller part of it is the race of the killer. The bigger part is that we as a society appear to view African Americans as less valuable, and think killing them isn't as big of a deal.

[Boom Sound 416]

30. Don't think

Google

And

[LanternWaste]

36. Governor, legislature, state laws, etc.

"So why does Florida suck?"

Governor, legislature, state laws, etc.

TV didn't "tell" me that. Merely observation, premise and conclusion. "shrug:

However, I do understand the mental convenience by the sub-literate of projecting one's own form of "research" onto others.. or was that merely rude behavior pretending to be clever?

[Boom Sound 416]

37. What, all that going for you and

You still can't figure it out.

Lemme know if you want some crayons

[Whisp]

14. that is NOT good! I feel sick! again.

[kcr]

22. I think there's at least one hold out

And that's what all this asking for stuff is about. To show them the evidence all over again to get them to come around. They might succeed, but I predict hung jury.

[Quayblue]

23. i'm cynical

But I certainly hope they're deliberating on WHICH murder charge to convict on.

ugh

[arthritisR_US]

33. I thought the Judge said court would reconvene tomorrow 9AM. nt

[SoCalMusicLover]

34. Recess Until Tomorrow

They start again in the morning.

If they were close to a verdict, they would have reconvened after dinner.

Thinking we're going to see a hung jury and have to go through this all over again. But we'll see what Friday brings.