From LBN: 16. Maybe VW already pays well, and the workers didn't want to pay union dues (n/t)

[Omaha Steve]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014728291#post16

How soon they forget. Unions are not just about pay. Every UNION WORKER that worked at ENRON still has a pension!!!! Remember the endless stories of lost 401k's at ENRON? Need I say more?

OS

[senseandsensibility]

1. The corporate media does everything it can to make sure that the average American

know nothing about unions and what they can do for their workers, and, by extension, for all workers. Hence, they are very susceptible to all forms of scare tactics and propaganda.

[putitinD]

3. the difference between Union/non-Union, is kinda like getting married or just shacking up.

[Politicalboi]

2. I wonder if those idiots were

Koch plants to vote out the union. Wouldn't take much money to do that.

[okaawhatever]

6. Grover Norquist started an organizatiion as an offshoot to American for Tax Reform to influence the

vote. He is known to have spent at least half a million in billboards, radio and tv ads. An organization named National Right to Work Foundation was also heavily involved in campaigning against the vote.

An important thing to note is that much of the anti-union propoganda focused on forming a works council without the UAW. Works councils are what they have at all their other plants. It's similar to a union, but most countries have different laws protecting the. In the US, the law states that you can't have a "company union" because of the opportunity to abuse such a practice. I think the workers weren't so much sold on non-union as being convinced they could form a works council without the UAW. Corker and others have publicly claimed they think a works council can be formed without third party union support under US labor law. Most labor law experts don't agree, but I think Corker is planning on the current scotus pulling a Citizens United on the decision and ignoring the Constitution or labor law history. It's also important to note that the UAW signed an agreement with VW that outlined a new representation model where the UAW would negotiate pay but the works council would be responsible for safety and other issues. The anti-union folks misrepresented what was in the agreement to voters, and that may have hurt as well.

[spanone]

4. or maybe our governor and u.s. senator's lying about the union scared them.

[Omaha Steve]

5. Kick