Juror 6: Race had nothing to do with verdict. POOR CHILD

[bigdarryl]

She's wrong just because no one brought it up in the deliberation doesn't mean it wasn't a factor.The fact that Dunn approached those black kids was racist in it self.If they were four white boys listening to Led Zeppelin turned up loud does anyone think he would of told them to turn the music down. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/michael-dunn-juror-race-was-never-a-factor-in-the-verdict/

[badtoworse]

1. It might have been a factor in the killing. The juror was speaking about the verdict

They are not the same.

[bigdarryl]

2. I will bet my paycheck that the three holdout are white

[badtoworse]

3. Even if they were, that would not prove your point. Your assumption is racist in and of itself.

[bigdarryl]

7. Hate tell you but most African Americans would agree with me

You should start listening to African American radio to see what we are talking about.

[badtoworse]

9. If you are correct, it reflects poorly on the African Americans in question.

[pipi_k]

4. And if they are...

so what?

Just because they might be white, that means their verdicts were based on race?


You know, there are some really scary opinions here at DU regarding what a juror's job is, and how s/he is supposed to do it.

[Diamonique]

5. There was nothing for them to base a NG verdict on.

The only self defense testimony came from the defendant. There was nothing and no one who corroborated his testimony. Plus, the prosecution proved that it was all lies anyway. So how could anyone truly believe it was self defense?

Hmmmm.....

[AnalystInParadise]

11. IN YOUR MIND

the prosecution proved it was all lies. Jesus Fucking Christ on a Cracker, the jury was not convinced, that does not make them racist or their failure to convict on 1st degree murder a racist decision. How on earth does anyone reach that conclusion? Hopefully a retrial will convict Dunn, BUT if it doesn't again I won't blame the second jury of racism either.

Dunn shoots Jordan Davis
Dunn claims to it was self defense
Prosecution tries to prove it was not self defense
Jury cannot reach conviction on 1st degree murder

Those are the 4 facts of the case, only the first one smacks of racism. Engage those critical thinking skills.....

[uponit7771]

8. You're right, there are plenty of blacks who hate blacks too... (see Clarance Thomas) race STILL

... factor.

There was NOTHING to get hung on... the 3 people who live just lied!?!?!?

The cameras too?!

Come on

[AnalystInParadise]

10. She appears to be one of the holdouts.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/justice/florida-loud-music-case/

Miles, 21, said she believes Dunn is guilty of murder, but not as charged. She thinks he was guilty of second-degree murder.
"I think he is a good guy. I don't think he hates everybody. I don't think he walks around wanting to shoot everybody. I think that he made bad decisions," she said.

[springchick]

13. That's how I'm reading it also,

she's convinced he's guilty of murder, just not murder 1.

[cheyanne]

6. There is a difference between "evidence" and "knowledge".

To be evidence in a trial, "knowledge" must be clear and evident.

Since Dunn didn't say anything racist, the law cannot accept our "knowledge" that his motivation was racist. The prosecution cannot say "he is white, they are black, therefore it's racist."

Remember that there was a MISTRIAL on the murder charge: murder 1, murder 2, or manslaughter

Each charge has very specific rules for applying it to a case.

It hurts our judicial system to ask, expect it to do what it is not able to do.

[AnalystInParadise]

12. ^ Excellent point

well said

[cheyanne]

14. Thanks for the comment. I've been pointing this common misapprehention about

our legal system for awhile: that somehow the court should accept assumptions about motives or events that have no basis in actual evidence that pertains to a specific charge.

Let me know of any other examples of you know about.

Right now I'm working on explaining how Nugent was able to not apologize, and yet make people think he did.