Fri Mar 23, 2012, 07:52 PM

HipChick (9,420 posts)

Trayvon also made a 911 call? How come we are not hearing about it?

towards the end of this report, the reporter says the FBI has it...

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate§ion

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Trayvon also made a 911 call? How come we are not hearing about it? (Original post)	HipChick	Mar 2012	OP
At 2:40	Kolesar	Mar 2012	#1
This is the first time I've heard that Trayvon called 911. Wonder why that is?	Little Star	Mar 2012	#2
he said it loud and clear.	barbtries	Mar 2012	#3
I wonder why no media outlets are covering this?	HipChick	Mar 2012	#4
In America? Land of thought-free and gun-brave? nt	valerief	Mar 2012	#29
1) I'm wondering if they didn't realize they-911-had it. 2) I'm wondering if the FBI took it	Justice wanted	Mar 2012	#31
The FBI wasn't called in until weeks after Trayvon was shot.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#46
Right but if as it is said in this thread if CELL phone 911 calls are sent to a different 911 call	Justice wanted	Mar 2012	#52
OMG.. wtf?! Where is it and why hasn't that been released? And	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#5
I'd take that with a grain of salt...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#6
I don't think he misspoke....	daleanime	Mar 2012	#11
He's a local Chicago news reporter.	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#13
Right, it doesn't look like he misspoke..	daleanime	Mar 2012	#18
yeah it's weird that such a huge scoop is tacked on at the end of the story	Enrique	Mar 2012	#36
If Martin attempted to make a 911 call, that would be concrete information that he was fearful	bluestate10	Mar 2012	#15
"If such a tape exists"....	daleanime	Mar 2012	#20
I don't think he misspoke either. The FBI evidently released that	K Gardner	Mar 2012	#34
Now that this has come out...	one_voice	Mar 2012	#7
I don't see how it could be possible since he was on the phone with his girlfriend.	LisaL	Mar 2012	#8
Martin was not on the phone with his girlfriend during all of the incident.	bluestate10	Mar 2012	#12
But from what she says, he was on the phone with her right up to the confrontation.	LisaL	Mar 2012	#19
The girlfriend doesn't know what happened after they were disconnected.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#47
That's not exactly correct	Oilwellian	Mar 2012	#56
That's exactly what I said. What in my previous post was incorrect?	yardwork	Mar 2012	#58
You said:	Oilwellian	Mar 2012	#61
Oh, I see. I condensed a lot of things. My post was misleading.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#72
Yes, there can be a 911 call later. But you're incorrect on one point...	Honeycombe8	Mar 2012	#77
Zimmerman got in the way of Martin so now you are saying Martin approached Z and instigated this?	uppityperson	Mar 2012	#80
Didn't Martin run away from Zimmerman?	Celebrandil	Mar 2012	#82
You are totally incorrect	Oilwellian	Mar 2012	#100
While We Are Speculating	DallasNE	Mar 2012	#35
his father is not a 'local' judge. He was a judge in Virginia who retired and moved to FL	onenote	Mar 2012	#50
Thanks For The Update	DallasNE	Mar 2012	#68
Active or inactive they will still flock together. Moving in the same circles.	LiberalFighter	Mar 2012	#96
The 'golf buddy' angle sometimes does play into things. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#97
Let's bloody hope so.	vaberella	Mar 2012	#103
They will not release that until it's thoroughly gone over. n/t	cynatnite	Mar 2012	#9
I'm fine as long as the Feds are investigating.	CakeGrrl	Mar 2012	#10
Glad the feds are on it, or the truth would never come out.	freshwest	Mar 2012	#30
Yeah that's what I think too. Federal Hate Crime Law has been broken.	TNLib	Mar 2012	#32
That's not clear, IMO. It's possible he says "goons."	Honeycombe8	Mar 2012	#78
Sanford is 1000 miles away, and the incident was at 7pm on a Sunday	markinsf	Mar 2012	#79
Wearing a hoodie in the morning is ok, but at 7pm is not? "the hoodie is the important thing here"	uppityperson	Mar 2012	#81
Chill. My somewhat humorous point at ME being mistaken for a criminal while wearing a hoodie..	Honeycombe8	Mar 2012	#88
Since this was 7 pm, and he was walking from store to dad's girlfriend's condo, how does any of that	uppityperson	Mar 2012	#89
I was responding to the prior post. I was also noting that the hoodie played a part....	Honeycombe8	Mar 2012	#90
Who, beyond the murderer Zimmerman, says he was "walking aimlessly around"? Zimmerman say what	uppityperson	Mar 2012	#91
Racial profiling is so sad.	Rex	Mar 2012	#110
I don't know what is so weird about wearing a hoodie because first of all, he was	Ecumenist	Mar 2012	#95
I find it a lot likelier that he said "coons" than "goons".	CakeGrrl	Mar 2012	#85
Umm, hate tp burst your bubble but I'VE BEEN CALLED A COON	Ecumenist	Mar 2012	#94
Native Texan here...that word is used a lot around these parts.	Rex	Mar 2012	#108
Interesting that this hasn't been released yet.	Glimmer of Hope	Mar 2012	#14
first I have heard. good find	Liberal_in_LA	Mar 2012	#16
cell phone 911 are routed to PSAP	pschoeb	Mar 2012	#17
Is that where Zimmermann's 911 call went?	obxhead	Mar 2012	#21
He might have just called the dispatch number	pschoeb	Mar 2012	#23
Neither is a pothole,	obxhead	Mar 2012	#25
Zimmerman didn't call 911.	LisaL	Mar 2012	#24
Interesting.	obxhead	Mar 2012	#26
OH MY GAWD	Iliyah	Mar 2012	#22
I heard a bloody nose but not a broken nose. But I won't believe either,	pnwmom	Mar 2012	#28
I'm in complete agreement with you on this.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#48
Even if Trayvon broke his nose it was in self dense. The kid was being stalked.	TNLib	Mar 2012	#33
is that in the police report?	notadmblnd	Mar 2012	#37
I really don't know I'm just saying even if it were true then it's still criminal.	TNLib	Mar 2012	#40
I didn't see 'broken nose' in the police report that I read. But maybe there are more reports	sabrina 1	Mar 2012	#43
This bloody or broken nose nonsense is laughable.	jaysunb	Mar 2012	#38
Hell, he was being stalked by a man with a gun.	stillwaiting	Mar 2012	#71
According to the law, yes, after being chased down	kdmorris	Mar 2012	#75
If this is true...then the police are completely inept. n/t	vaberella	Mar 2012	#27
I would say too many of them in the SPD are corrupt more than being inept.	LiberalFighter	Mar 2012	#98
bet that Trayvons 911 call didn't go to the Sanford PD	boston bean	Mar 2012	#39
kr	warrior1	Mar 2012	#41
Thanks, this is the first I have heard Trayvon made a call	AnotherDreamWeaver	Mar 2012	#42
Well now, this might explain why the SPD sat on his cell phone for three days.	BeHereNow	Mar 2012	#44
kicking this....	a kennedy	Mar 2012	#45
kr	warrior1	Mar 2012	#49
This report was just confirmed on Up/With Chris Hayes	NNN0LHI	Mar 2012	#51
Did he have any more information on it?	HipChick	Mar 2012	#53
He reported pretty much what the Chicago reporter said	NNN0LHI	Mar 2012	#55
I like how this just keeps unfolding	Life Long Dem	Mar 2012	#54
Cover-up	MoonRiver	Mar 2012	#57
Misspoke?	Blue Mark	Mar 2012	#59
reading through Chris Hayes twitter	warrior1	Mar 2012	#60
If Trayvon actually made a 911 call this would have been a big story.	LisaL	Mar 2012	#62
This helps understanding, SPD may not have seen it, but the Sheriff's office could have had it.	AnotherDreamWeaver	Mar 2012	#65
So emergency calls using 911 are not billable	LiberalFighter	Mar 2012	#99
Great catch!!!	Fawke Em	Mar 2012	#63
I also heard that yesterday from a talking head.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2012	#64
Wow, I hope it helps the investigation. nt	BootinUp	Mar 2012	#66
More evidence of an effort to cover up and obscure the facts at every level.	leveymg	Mar 2012	#67
I hope they go back and review those incidents involving Zimmerman and his dad.	LiberalFighter	Mar 2012	#101
The FBI knows it has a hot one here and will wait until they completely	ThomThom	Mar 2012	#106
This may be a wrong assumption	csziggy	Mar 2012	#69
I agree	Quixote1818	Mar 2012	#70
ITA.	LisaL	Mar 2012	#74
Thanks for the post--I had no idea!	SunSeeker	Mar 2012	#73
Wow. Now that call would be interesting to hear, esp if Zimmerman's voice can be heard,	Honeycombe8	Mar 2012	#76
Probably for the same reason	FiercelyIndependant	Mar 2012	#83
You mean the anonymous "john"? The one that only rw blogs/forums have picked up on?	uppityperson	Mar 2012	#84
I was referring to the witness mentioned on CNN this afternoon.	FiercelyIndependant	Mar 2012	#86
I should accept freerepublic's crap as "facts"? Not accepting RW blog/forum as facts=obsession?	uppityperson	Mar 2012	#87
It seems most people are playing "us vs them"	MrBig	Mar 2012	#102
I actually see it as the other way around. LOOK at how he is constantly referred to as a	LaydeeBug	Mar 2012	#105
Uppity that is incorrect that only bloggers talk about the witness	markinsf	Mar 2012	#93
"Seemed to" That's bullshit, and you're full of it	markinsf	Mar 2012	#92
There was more than one witness.	HiPointDem	Mar 2012	#104
This link goes to a story about the lottery. nt	LaydeeBug	Mar 2012	#107
Because this was all supposed to 'go away'.	Rex	Mar 2012	#109

Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 07:59 PM

Kolesar (29,326 posts)

1. At 2:40

good catch

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:02 PM

Little Star (11,649 posts)

2. This is the first time I've heard that Trayvon called 911. Wonder why that is?

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:10 PM

barbtries (15,011 posts)

3. he said it loud and clear.

i thought his last call was to his girlfriend. that's a mystery i'll be looking to learn more about.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:18 PM

HipChick (9,420 posts)

4. I wonder why no media outlets are covering this?

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Response to HipChick (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:15 PM

valerief (35,679 posts)

29. In America? Land of thought-free and gun-brave? nt

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Response to HipChick (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:28 PM

Justice wanted (2,657 posts)

31. 1) I'm wondering if they didn't realize they-911-had it. 2) I'm wondering if the FBI took it

quickly and are only leaking it now because they do have something.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:43 AM

yardwork (37,074 posts)

46. The FBI wasn't called in until weeks after Trayvon was shot.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:55 AM

Justice wanted (2,657 posts)

52. Right but if as it is said in this thread if CELL phone 911 calls are sent to a different 911 call

center. I'm thinking the call center didn't realize what they had until the FBI came looking.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:22 PM

K Gardner (14,805 posts)

5. OMG.. wtf?! Where is it and why hasn't that been released? And

he says Zimmerman can be heard in the background?

ABC also has a video somewhere with that Frank Taaffe person saying he "knows Zimmerman was provoked".

So there is clear evidence Zimmerman has talked to friends and at least begun trying to fabricate his story.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:24 PM

ellisonz (26,318 posts)

6. I'd take that with a grain of salt...

And especially since it kinda seems like he misspoke.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:43 PM

daleanime (2,968 posts)

11. I don't think he misspoke....

where did he get that information? Just have to wait I guess.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:45 PM

ellisonz (26,318 posts)

13. He's a local Chicago news reporter.

He's not in Florida. He's not subject to the sort of editorial constraint that national reporters are under. Who fact checked this guy? Likely no one.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:53 PM

daleanime (2,968 posts)

18. Right, it doesn't look like he misspoke..

so where would 'he' get that information? We just going to have to wait to find out.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:44 PM

Enrique (22,624 posts)

36. yeah it's weird that such a huge scoop is tacked on at the end of the story

I would think if an editor had looked at this, they would say, "let's lead with this major development." But who knows, maybe I'm missing something.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:48 PM

bluestate10 (8,572 posts)

15. If Martin attempted to make a 911 call, that would be concrete information that he was fearful

and retreating from what he saw as danger. If such a tape exists, Zimmerman is sunk as well as the Sanford police department.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:54 PM

daleanime (2,968 posts)

20. "If such a tape exists"....

I think every one wants to hear it.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:33 PM

K Gardner (14,805 posts)

34. I don't think he misspoke either. The FBI evidently released that

info.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:24 PM

one_voice (11,027 posts)

7. Now that this has come out...

I hope they release this tape. I hadn't heard about it till now.

K&R

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:26 PM

LisaL (22,818 posts)

8. I don't see how it could be possible since he was on the phone with his girlfriend.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:43 PM

bluestate10 (8,572 posts)

12. Martin was not on the phone with his girlfriend during all of the incident.

They ended their call at some point as Martin and Zimmerman were near each other . When the girlfriend called back, Martin was dead. Martin could have attempted to make a 911 call during the time he was off the line with his girlfriend. If Martin did attempt to make a call, the Sanford police had a record of that call and didn't release Martin's call, the case rises to the level of a gross miscarriage of justice and official coverup. A 911 call by Martin would sho an attempt to retreat from what he percieved as danger, and would kill any self defense claim by Zimmerman.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:54 PM

LisaL (22,818 posts)

19. But from what she says, he was on the phone with her right up to the confrontation.

That whole incident took mere minutes if you look at the timeline.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:46 AM

yardwork (37,074 posts)

47. The girlfriend doesn't know what happened after they were disconnected.

From what I read, the girlfriend said that Trayvon told her that he was being followed by a strange man, and then the phone was disconnected. She speculates that this was when Trayvon was attacked. But what if Trayvon was able to make another call, and that time he called 911? That would be a sensible response to being followed and threatened.

If Trayvon called 911 then this is even more evidence of police cover-up and destroys Zimmerman's story further.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:31 PM

Oilwellian (9,281 posts)

56. That's not exactly correct

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Trayvon's girlfriend claims she was on the phone with him when he was approached by Zimmerman because she said she heard Trayvon ask Zimmerman why he was following him. She then heard Zimmerman ask something about what he was doing there. After that, she heard someone being pushed and heard Trayvon's headset fall to the ground and the phone went dead. When she tried to call him back, there was no answer.

What needs to be pinpointed is how much time occurred between the time Trayvon's girlfriend's phone call ended, and when the homeowner's 911 call began. That is the time period in question and it would be interesting to know how long of a time that was.

It was in that call we could hear the screaming for help. That lasted 40 seconds and then you could hear the gunshot and the screaming stopped. If indeed Trayvon managed to call 911 during that questionable time period, then it might possibly contain his begging for help and any response from Zimmerman before he shot him.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:38 PM

yardwork (37,074 posts)

58. That's exactly what I said. What in my previous post was incorrect?

We don't know what happened after Trayvon's girlfriend lost contact with him. We don't know when that phone call occurred because that information hasn't been released yet, no thanks to the Sanford police department who were never going to mention it.

It's entirely possible that Trayvon was able to call 911 after the call with his girlfriend was interrupted. It's also possible that he called 911 before he talked to his girlfriend. I will be very interested to hear Trayvon's 911 call recording - another call we never would have heard about thanks to the Sanford police department.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:29 PM

Oilwellian (9,281 posts)

61. You said:

the girlfriend said that Trayvon told her that he was being followed by a strange man, and then the phone was disconnected.

I'm merely pointing out a lot more occurred before they were disconnected.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:26 PM

yardwork (37,074 posts)

72. Oh, I see. I condensed a lot of things. My post was misleading.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 09:19 AM

Honeycombe8 (18,006 posts)

77. Yes, there can be a 911 call later. But you're incorrect on one point...

Zimmerman doesn't approach Martin. Martin approaches Zimmerman; Zimmerman is on a 911 call with police when that happens. Zimmerman says "he's looking at me," then he says "he's walking towards me....he's holding something." Then the call abruptly ends, I think...and I don't recall clearly, but I THINK you can hear Martin speaking to Zimmerman. I'm guessing that's when Martin asks him why he's following him.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:32 PM

uppityperson (74,176 posts)

80. Zimmerman got in the way of Martin so now you are saying Martin approached Z and instigated this?

Seriously?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:42 PM

Celebrandil (258 posts)

82. Didn't Martin run away from Zimmerman?

From what I heard it seems that Martin started to run away at the end of Zimmerman's call. That seems in line with what the girlfriend said, when she claimed she urged Martin to avoid the guy and get away.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:55 AM

Oilwellian (9,281 posts)

100. You are totally incorrect

May I suggest you listen to Zimmerman's call again. After Zimmerman says he's walking towards me, he then says "he's running." That's when he was asked if he was following Martin. His response? "YES." Enough said.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:43 PM

DallasNE (2,954 posts)

35. While We Are Speculating

A new, unedited tape of Zimmerman talking to the dispatcher has been released. The first tape edited out what is pretty clearly Zimmerman saying "fuc*ing coon". That was said right after Zimmerman said "those a**holes, they always get away". When you factor in that Zimmerman's father is a local Judge we see an opportunity for obstruction of justice and perhaps other criminal conduct. One would expect that Judge Zimmerman and the Police Chief know one another so the Police Chief has a severe conflict of interest. The plot thickens.........

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #35)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:16 AM

onenote (22,010 posts)

50. his father is not a 'local' judge. He was a judge in Virginia who retired and moved to FL

I'm not seeking to defend anyone here, just trying to make sure that the facts are reported accurately.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:06 PM

DallasNE (2,954 posts)

68. Thanks For The Update

I only heard the report that the father was a Judge. Since the kid is only 28 I assumed it meant an active Judge. My bad as it does lessen the conflict angle.

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Response to onenote (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:36 AM

LiberalFighter (31,079 posts)

96. Active or inactive they will still flock together. Moving in the same circles.

There may even be others that retired to the area that the retired judge knows connected with the legal system.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #96)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:39 AM

X_Digger (13,125 posts)

97. The 'golf buddy' angle sometimes does play into things. n/t

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:22 AM

vaberella (24,250 posts)

103. Let's bloody hope so.

Because I remember hearing an account on how Zimmerman can walk if charged and I don't want that to happen.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:26 PM

cynatnite (27,186 posts)

9. They will not release that until it's thoroughly gone over. n/t

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:29 PM

CakeGrrl (9,033 posts)

10. I'm fine as long as the Feds are investigating.

I'd bet that a few public figures either know or may have been advised to keep low-key because DOJ is on this. I think the President's comment this morning was a subtle way of saying they're all over this.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:25 PM

freshwest (31,434 posts)

30. Glad the feds are on it, or the truth would never come out.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:30 PM

TNLib (903 posts)

32. Yeah that's what I think too. Federal Hate Crime Law has been broken.

I think the FBI and DOJ are all over this. The enhanced 911 Call that Zimmerman made clearly calls the kid a "Coon" which elevates this to a hate crime.

I think ultmately Zimmerman is toast.

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Response to TNLib (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 09:28 AM

Honeycombe8 (18,006 posts)

78. That's not clear, IMO. It's possible he says "goons."

I'm sure the FBI can clarify the tape to eek out which word Zimmerman used.

I find it hard to believe he used the word "coons." I live in TX and am from Louisiana. I know lots of racists. I haven't heard the word "coon" used except in old movies or maybe by an elderly person. It's an old fashioned word that has been replaced by others. Unless it was a word that Zimmerman was in the habit of using, which his friends would know. Or unless it's used in the hispanic community? It's not a commonly used word in the white community, though, that I know of.

Throughout the whole 911 call, Zimmerman doesn't seem fixated on the race of the supposedly suspicious guy; he's fixated on it being a young person with a hoodie walking aimlessly around, it seems to him. And something about the manner of walking...he tells the cops the guy is acting like he's on drugs. The hoodie is probably an important thing here. I know it's worn by teen criminals in my neighborhood sometimes to conceal their identity at night. Nothing against hoodies. I have several myself. But there aren't many middle aged, plump women wearing hoodies who are out at night burglarizing and damaging property. So I'm pretty safe, I guess, when wearing my hoodie, when I'm walking the dogs in the morning.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:20 PM

markinsf (4 posts)

79. Sanford is 1000 miles away, and the incident was at 7pm on a Sunday

Sanford is 1000 miles away, and the "white community" is hardly uniform, unless you think people in TX talk like people in Nebraska. The tape sure sounds like "fucking coon", but it could be "goon". Do you think "goon" is in common usage in the "white community"?

This incident happened around 7pm on a Sunday, hardly the the time of night you'd expect a burglar or vandal since most people are at home that time.

Also Trayvon was NOT on drugs. Zimmerman was just seeing what he wanted to see. His quote "these assholes always get away" clearly indicates he had already decided Martin was guilty of something.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:35 PM

uppityperson (74,176 posts)

81. Wearing a hoodie in the morning is ok, but at 7pm is not? "the hoodie is the important thing here"

What? A person walking along, minding his own business, wearing a hoodie, at 7pm when most people are likely to be home is "out at night burglarizing and damaging property"? Zimmerman had his mind made up without any facts getting in his way. Walking towards his father's girlfriend's home is "walking aimlessly around"?

Good grief.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #81)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 09:00 PM

Honeycombe8 (18,006 posts)

88. Chill. My somewhat humorous point at ME being mistaken for a criminal while wearing a hoodie..

the point is that: I'm middle aged, I'm not skinny, and if it's in the daylight my face is clearly visible even though wearing a hoodie.

But if there were a rash of middle aged women burglarizing our neighborhood at night while wearing hoodies, I'd think twice before wearing my hoodie past dark to walk the neighborhood, although I would have every right to do that. If I'm walking my dogs, that's a giveaway I'm not a criminal. They'd be in the way of my criminal activities (they're pretty active and excitable).

But sometimes the juveniles aren't wearing hoodies. And sometimes the criminals are older men (they do the heavier crimes, like steal a truck and move it to the alley and put it on blocks and steal the rims). The younger ones break into storage sheds, into houses through back doors and windows, deface property, steal items in people's yards, that sort of thing.

We keep an eye out during the school year during the daytime. Juveniles are supposed to be in school, so the police will check out any juveniles walking the streets during school hours.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #88)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 09:07 PM

uppityperson (74,176 posts)

89. Since this was 7 pm, and he was walking from store to dad's girlfriend's condo, how does any of that

fit?

"he's fixated on it being a young person with a hoodie walking aimlessly around, it seems to him. And something about the manner of walking...he tells the cops the guy is acting like he's on drugs. "

Zimmerman was seeing what he wanted to see.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #89)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:47 PM

Honeycombe8 (18,006 posts)

90. I was responding to the prior post. I was also noting that the hoodie played a part....

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in that juveniles, at least in my neighborhood, tend to wear hoodies in the evenings to help conceal their identity.

So he sees a guy who is wearing a hoodie, walking aimlessly around. If it were my neighborhood, and I happened to be looking out the window, I'd probably keep an eye on him, regardless of his race. Because that is the type of juvenile who is burglarizing our neighborhood. There's a walk you walk when you're walking to get somewhere, there's a walk you walk when you're out exercising, and there's strolling, etc. All types of walks. BUT I wouldn't assume he was up to no good, I would wonder if he's a kid from the neighborhood, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't go follow him, esp. with a gun! I've seen these "suspicous" kids a few times. I've never even called 911 once. They just pass by, they're not doing anything wrong. But it's good to keep an eye out, just in case, if you live in a neighborhood with a crime problem.

I tend to think that Trayvon was walking a bit funny because he was talking on his cell phone and not paying attention to where he was going. I see this fairly often. Young men walking at an angle, or in the middle of a store aisle, because they're on their phone or texting. I see it the most in cars. I can't count the times I've wondered "what's wrong with that driver?" when the car is sort of swerving, or too close to the other lane, or going waaaaaay too slow. It's usu. because the driver is on the phone.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #90)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:58 PM

uppityperson (74,176 posts)

91. Who, beyond the murderer Zimmerman, says he was "walking aimlessly around"? Zimmerman say what

he wanted to see from the beginning.

It is funny, most of us do that. Make an emotional judgement and then find the facts to intellectually legitimize that emotional judgement.

This is why advertising works, why OMG FEAR works as a motivator much more than "easy peasy all is fine isn't this wonderful look at the butterflies" bit. It will be interesting to see what all comes out as time goes on and I for one am VERY glad for the media attention to get an investigation going.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #88)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:04 PM

Rex (34,646 posts)

110. Racial profiling is so sad.

Thank goodness Zimmerman got caught doing it! No telling how many other people he tormented with his profiling! Sad that he had to murder someone out of his racist views.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #81)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:30 AM

Ecumenist (5,646 posts)

95. I don't know what is so weird about wearing a hoodie because first of all, he was

still on American soil and minding his business and secondly, IT WAS RAINING and chilly. According to both zimmy and his "pal" Taaffe. It's all about the "shiftless, uppity black folks". You're completely correct. We, as black folks, often find we're followed by store employees while trying to shop while other potential thieves can steal the storesblind.

There have been situations where "boosters", (shoplifters) who were white, would purposely work with a black person who wuld be eyeballed and followed while they robbed the store with inpunity. A damn shame.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:02 PM

CakeGrrl (9,033 posts)

85. I find it a lot likelier that he said "coons" than "goons".

"Goons" is a far more dated term, IMO, for a 28-year-old to use.

Given Zimmerman's documented propensity for calling in suspicious black males, I say he said the former.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #78)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:23 AM

Ecumenist (5,646 posts)

94. Umm, hate tp burst your bubble but I'VE BEEN CALLED A COON

and not only and I MUCH younger than 80, (late 40's) but I live on the west coast. So, this melarkey about this word not being used except by elderly southern whites is just what it appears to be...BULLSHIT.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #78)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:56 PM

Rex (34,646 posts)

108. Native Texan here...that word is used a lot around these parts.

Don't know where you live, but that word is not even remotely dead and forgotten...maybe in your neck of the woods.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:46 PM

Glimmer of Hope (2,379 posts)

14. Interesting that this hasn't been released yet.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:50 PM

Liberal_in_LA (28,670 posts)

16. first I have heard. good find

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:51 PM

pschoeb (1,061 posts)

17. cell phone 911 are routed to PSAP

Sanford PD are not a PSAP, so the call would have probably gone to Seminole County Sherrif.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:54 PM

obxhead (7,154 posts)

21. Is that where Zimmermann's 911 call went?

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Response to obxhead (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:01 PM

pschoeb (1,061 posts)

23. He might have just called the dispatch number

Which was probably in his phone contacts. Seeing a suspicious person is hardly an emergency.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:03 PM

obxhead (7,154 posts)

25. Neither is a pothole,

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but apparently he called 911 for that. (from a thread on DU earlier)

ETA, as many times as he called on so much BS, I bet he has the PD on speed dial.

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Response to obxhead (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:02 PM

LisaL (22,818 posts)

24. Zimmerman didn't call 911.

He called a non-emergency number.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:04 PM

obxhead (7,154 posts)

26. Interesting.

Thanks.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:59 PM

Iliyah (2,356 posts)

22. OH MY GAWD

if true, I want to know why the police department covered this up. Apparently something is happening because HLN reported that Zimmerman has retained legal counsel and was advised to remain in hiding and said that Zimmerman has a broken nose and a cut on the back of his neck.

It was also discussed that probably Trayvon turned around to defend himself.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:06 PM

pnwmom (43,107 posts)

28. I heard a bloody nose but not a broken nose. But I won't believe either,

unless they took photos at the time.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:47 AM

yardwork (37,074 posts)

48. I'm in complete agreement with you on this.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:32 PM

TNLib (903 posts)

33. Even if Trayvon broke his nose it was in self dense. The kid was being stalked.

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Response to TNLib (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:56 PM

notadmblnd (17,103 posts)

37. is that in the police report?

if not, it happened after the fact, this guy and his "family" have to be covering it up.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:08 PM

TNLib (903 posts)

40. I really don't know I'm just saying even if it were true then it's still criminal.

the kids life was clearly in danger and he did have a right to defend himself.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:20 AM

sabrina 1 (34,073 posts)

43. I didn't see 'broken nose' in the police report that I read. But maybe there are more reports

from other cops. He was treated after being placed in the police car, according to the police report I read, but it did not say he had a broken nose. Otoh, it didn't describe any injuries, so the cop who wrote it may only have known he was treated.

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Response to TNLib (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:58 PM

jaysunb (7,976 posts)

38. This bloody or broken nose nonsense is laughable.

This kid was screaming for his life..not dukin it out w/ a guy that's at least a hundred lbs heavier and 6 inchs taller.

If he had any injuries at the time the cops would have taken him in for medical treatment.

So much for the bull crap

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Response to TNLib (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 04:43 PM

stillwaiting (817 posts)

71. Hell, he was being stalked by a man with a gun.

Trayvon could have possibly legally blown his ass away according to Florida law.

Not that SYG is a good law. Just saying.

Trayvon might have been able to point to SYG as a defense in that instance.

Zimmerman has no defense.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 08:50 AM

kdmorris (4,679 posts)

75. According to the law, yes, after being chased down

if he had a gun, he could have shot him. But, he's a young black male and would not have gotten away with it. He would have been (at the very least) been arrested and they would not have believed his story. I am 100% sure of that. THAT is part of the issue.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:05 PM

vaberella (24,250 posts)

27. If this is true...then the police are completely inept. n/t

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Response to vaberella (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:43 AM

LiberalFighter (31,079 posts)

98. I would say too many of them in the SPD are corrupt more than being inept.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:05 PM

boston bean (16,790 posts)

39. bet that Trayvons 911 call didn't go to the Sanford PD

it probably got routed to the state police, and the Sanford PD didn't know of it's existence.

Zimmerman probably had the recorded back line to the Sanford PD on his speed dial.

If I dial 911 from my cell, it doesn't go to the police headquarters in the town I am driving in.

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Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:20 PM

warrior1 (9,255 posts)

41. kr

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:11 AM

AnotherDreamWeaver (1,538 posts)

42. Thanks, this is the first I have heard Trayvon made a call

And listening to the news report I too clearly heard him say Zimmermans voice could be heard in the background, they want to see if they can determine what Zimmerman is saying. Why don't they tell us what Trayvon is saying?

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:52 AM

BeHereNow (17,152 posts)

44. Well now, this might explain why the SPD sat on his cell phone for three days.

They had the cell phone, did not contact the family members
or the last person on his "recent calls"
looks more and more like a cover up to me.
If they recalled the recently dialed numbers, I guess
they were trying to figure out if they could somehow
cover up the calls.
It gets more disgusting with each new detail.

BHN

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:37 AM

a kennedy (7,023 posts)

45. kicking this....

for another go round.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:09 AM

warrior1 (9,255 posts)

49. kr

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:27 AM

NNN0LHI (67,185 posts)

51. This report was just confirmed on Up/With Chris Hayes

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:00 AM

HipChick (9,420 posts)

53. Did he have any more information on it?

Had TV on in background, but was not paying attention

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Response to HipChick (Reply #53)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:42 AM

NNN0LHI (67,185 posts)

55. He reported pretty much what the Chicago reporter said

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:02 AM

Life Long Dem (8,009 posts)

54. I like how this just keeps unfolding

Trayvon's 911 call is being analyzed by the FBI to hear what Zimmerman is saying in the background. Good question as to why we are hearing about it now. But I'd point my finger at SPD. No idea what is on the tape but I guess that will be released soon after the FBI study it.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:33 PM

MoonRiver (17,014 posts)

57. Cover-up

Can't wait until the FBI analyzes it.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:57 PM

Blue Mark (3 posts)

59. Misspoke?

I wondered if the reporter just misspoke too, but the report seemed too specific.

The only way I can think of that it might be a misspoken report is if they were talking about the neighbor's 911 call where you hear the screaming and gunshot. It wasn't a call from either Zimmerman or Trayvon. And the FBI is undoubtedly analyzing that tape to determine just who is screaming and what is being said. That would mean that the ABC-Chicago report has a high level of mis-attribution, which is possible but not highly likely.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:03 PM

warrior1 (9,255 posts)

60. reading through Chris Hayes twitter

someone ask what the 911 call didn't show up on Travyon's phone logs. This is what said about that.

Wieland ‏ @lawscribe

· Open

.@tanehisi @chrislhayes I have had cases where 911 calls do not show up on consumer viewable phone records. Not billable. Need ITMS logs.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #60)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:30 PM

LisaL (22,818 posts)

62. If Trayvon actually made a 911 call this would have been a big story.

Not some reporter in Chicago reporting it.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #60)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:41 PM

AnotherDreamWeaver (1,538 posts)

65. This helps understanding, SPD may not have seen it, but the Sheriff's office could have had it.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #60)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:51 AM

LiberalFighter (31,079 posts)

99. So emergency calls using 911 are not billable

And phone providers program cell phones to only display billable time in the logs filtering out nonbillable calls.

Wonder if the SPD have anyone in their dept that knows this and how to retrieve the data?

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:33 PM

Fawke Em (2,556 posts)

63. Great catch!!!

That could be the pivotal point of this investigation.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:36 PM

AtomicKitten (39,585 posts)

64. I also heard that yesterday from a talking head.

They said the FBI has Trayvon's 911 call. I watched wall-to-wall coverage yesterday and can't remember who said it, but they said it yesterday on MSNBC.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:42 PM

BootinUp (25,611 posts)

66. Wow, I hope it helps the investigation. nt

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:47 PM

leveymg (26,336 posts)

67. More evidence of an effort to cover up and obscure the facts at every level.

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From the initial release of a "sanitized" version of Zimmerman's police dispatcher call (racial slur erased) to the withholding of the victim's own 9/11 call, to the misreporting by the major media of Zimmerman's felony assault on a police officer and two domestic violence arrests, and the fact that his father who is a retired Judge got him off all 4 charges, there's a pattern of cover-up and an attempt to mislead the public here. Please, see, http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462631

The focus of the investigation now needs to widen to include the actions of the local police and Sheriff Departments, the State Prosecutor, and the major media who have attempted to downplay and distort reporting of this story. Particular fault goes to the Orlando Sentinel and Washington Post's profiles, picked up by most of the rest of the media, that obscured Zimmerman's felony assault and omitted mention that the father is a retired Judge. Now, we learn that the victim's 9/11 call was not reported.

There's been a major abuse of power and privilege as well as racially-motivated cold-blooded murder, and the perpetrator is still running around free with the murder weapon.

Infuriating - which is why the media is dutifully downplaying the facts.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:56 AM

LiberalFighter (31,079 posts)

101. I hope they go back and review those incidents involving Zimmerman and his dad.

And consider appropriate charges against the judge and anyone involved in coverups.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #101)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 11:42 AM

ThomThom (1,390 posts)

106. The FBI knows it has a hot one here and will wait until they completely

covering all bases. The number of laws broken and regulations violated (not to mention procedures not followed) is beyond me to count or even guess. Law enforcement people like to be sure before they charge other officers. Heads may roll.

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Response to HipChick (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:07 PM

csziggy (14,205 posts)

69. This may be a wrong assumption

In this ABC news clip: http://abcnews.go.com/US/traynor-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T24YVNmP_Kg - At about 1:15 they show shots of phone logs from Trayvon Martin's phone. The times on the call with his girl friend show that she was talking to him up to nearly the time of the shot that killed him. AFTER that call ends is a call to 911 on the phone log.

On the Websleuths Forum, http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166660 (and the thread preceding this one), they hashed and rehashed this claim that Trayvon called 911 when his call with his gf was cut off.

The 911 call is dated March 2, days after Trayvon was killed. There are two incoming calls seconds after the 911 call - one of the people on Websleuths reports that number is the Sanford PD. To see ALL the speculation, go to the Websleuths link - they are covering every aspect of this crime.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #69)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:19 PM

Quixote1818 (16,564 posts)

70. I agree

This would be too huge not to have been mentioned by the larger news companies and there is ZERO other mention if this any place.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:19 PM

LisaL (22,818 posts)

74. ITA.

It would be a big story if true.
And we heard nothing from anyone else.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:12 PM

SunSeeker (5,030 posts)

73. Thanks for the post--I had no idea!

And I watch & read a lot of news!

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Sun Mar 25, 2012, 09:15 AM

Honeycombe8 (18,006 posts)

76. Wow. Now that call would be interesting to hear, esp if Zimmerman's voice can be heard,

like the broadcaster said.

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Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:46 PM

FiercelyIndependant (19 posts)

83. Probably for the same reason

that the media is downplaying the statement of the sole eye witness to the event, who backs up Zimmerman and seems to indicate that Martin assaulted Zimmerman.

Once the media establishes a juicy narrative, especially one about racial conflict, they do not like to change it, irrespective of the facts.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #83)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:59 PM

uppityperson (74,176 posts)

84. You mean the anonymous "john"? The one that only rw blogs/forums have picked up on?

Gee, I wonder why that could be.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #84)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:18 PM

FiercelyIndependant (19 posts)

86. I was referring to the witness mentioned on CNN this afternoon.

You can't let your weird little "us vs them" obsession to label sources get in the way of looking for the facts.

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Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:21 PM

uppityperson (74,176 posts)

87. I should accept freerepublic's crap as "facts"? Not accepting RW blog/forum as facts=obsession?

Wow.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #86)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:57 AM

MrBig (475 posts)

102. It seems most people are playing "us vs them"

I'll be honest, I really don't know much about this case in terms of what the actual facts are. I just find it kind of humorous that all witnesses/evidence/statements that support Zimmerman are automatically cast as lies or propaganda whereas any witnesses/evidence/statements against Zimmerman's story are the gospel in a lot of peoples eyes.

This is not saying Zimmerman is innocent. Heck, I think he should have been arrested and should be awaiting trial. But I won't pretend to know what the actual facts are or who what evidence is legit and what is fake.

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Response to MrBig (Reply #102)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:03 AM

LaydeeBug (4,476 posts)

105. I actually see it as the other way around. LOOK at how he is constantly referred to as a

"Neighborhood watch" volunteer. LOOK at how often they repeat "about his stitches" about his "bloody nose", about how THE POLICE DISPATCH TOLD HIM TO STOP PURSUING, and "for whatever reason" Zimmerman "had to pursue".

Please.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #84)

Mon Mar 26, 2012, 03:33 AM

markinsf (4 posts)

93. Uppity that is incorrect that only bloggers talk about the witness

Fox News Orlando interviewed the witness on TV back in February, without showing his face. He's the same guy on one of the 911 calls.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #83)

Mon Mar 26, 2012, 03:31 AM

markinsf (4 posts)

92. "Seemed to" That's bullshit, and you're full of it

The witness said he saw them fighting, and Martin may have been on top of Zimmerman when the witness saw them initially. This witness did not claim to see who initiated the physical confrontation, and to suggest he did is a flat out lie.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #83)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 05:43 AM

HiPointDem (16,974 posts)

104. There was more than one witness.

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Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:44 PM

LaydeeBug (4,476 posts)

107. This link goes to a story about the lottery. nt

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Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:58 PM

Rex (34,646 posts)

109. Because this was all supposed to 'go away'.

Team Zimm had no idea this would turn into such a national story. The local PD and Zimm thought this would be swept under the rug and forgotten...oh how wrong they were!!

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