We should root for the ACA to be repealed!

[bluestateguy]

See because then that will surely pave the way for single payer!

The whole system is such a mess that the politicians will just have no choice but to implement single payer.

Now if this sounds just a tad unrealistic, (yeah, I'm sure the Congress will get right to work on that single payer bill right away!), there were actually a few folks on DU espousing that viewpoint when the ACA was in the hands of the Supreme Court.

[SunsetDreams]

1. Why do we need to repeal ACA to root for single payer?

I say it would be easier to get single payer with the ACA in place. It is a step in the right direction.

Sorry I can't get behind repealing the ACA.

[Ms. Toad]

13. You might want to reread OP's last paragraph

I think the OP "forgot" sarcasm tags.

[SunsetDreams]

33. OH Thank you

[Cha]

2. Yes, I see what you're saying.. it was ridiculous.

[DCBob]

3. I wonder if the naysayers will continue to naysay..

When aca turns out to be successful?

[Dawgs]

6. ACA will only be successful if it lowers costs, gets profit out of healthcare, and covers EVERYONE.

Of course none of those things will happen under the ACA.

[DCBob]

10. to be successful it also has to exist.

What you describe would probably never make it out of either chamber.

[Dawgs]

11. Where did I say it shouldn't exist?

The ACA, on its own, will be successful at a lot things. Some of which I am very happy about.

But, compared to single payer, the differences couldn't be more great. The ACA is a long way from being something WE NEED.

And, it's very rare that anyone on the left suggest that the ACA should be repealed. It's a straw man that many use to make a dumb argument.

And, don't give me that shit about it not being able to pass. The same things were said about civil rights, voting rights, marriage equality, and pot legalization. Just because it's hard doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

[DCBob]

23. Where did I say we shouldnt try?

It just wasnt the right time back in 2009. I think once aca proves itself Dems will have more credibility to go after sonething more substantial.

[Dawgs]

25. It was the right time in 2009 to push it.

Sure, it wouldn't have passed, but the compromise would probably have gotten us a public option or medicare for all over 55, or maybe even both. Starting with something republicans originally came up with guaranteed that we would never get those things.. even with a big majorities in both houses.

[DCBob]

26. I thought expanding medicare was great idea at the time.

But that never seemed to gain any traction.

[Dawgs]

27. We were close. Are good friend Lieberman seemed to be the one to kill it.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/14/health.care.lieberman/

[DCBob]

28. I despise that man.

He really belonged in the Gop.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. They will be denying they were ever against it in three years time

[phleshdef]

4. These are the same folks that abhor the mention of "political reality".

When you mention political reality, and even better yet, describe it in action, its like kryptonite to them and they don't like it one bit.

[Walk away]

5. Even the "My ACA horror story" posts seem to have petered out.

I guess they did their best to make it fail and get their "story" as much recognition as possible, especially in the last few weeks.

[antiquie]

14. Because we are only allowed to tell our story if successful.

Mine wasn't, therefore on this board I am to STFU.

[Walk away]

19. That didn't seem to stop anyone else. nt

[Brigid]

24. Same thing happened to me.

Because IN stupidly did not expand Medicaid, I remain without coverage. I was accused by dome around here of lying and having an "agenda." The truth is, we still have far to go to gdg everyone covered, especially in states like this one, because I am by no alone in this.

[JoePhilly]

7. Imagine what will happen as blue states start to add public options to their

exchanges. And a few go to a single payer model.

And then imagine, down the road a little bit further ... when the federal exchange (which many states now have because they were unwilling to set up state exchanges) adds a PO.

You can't just demand an end point like single payer to happen by magic. Not in a divided country. Its going to take a step by step approach.

And the ACA was the first step.

Thanks Obama.

[treestar]

8. I agree, it is quite unrealistic

It's not a TV show, it's the real world.

The problems with the ACA as it unfolds will work better.

[Capt. Obvious]

9. But those were just firebagger emo progs

[Skidmore]

12. Fan those embers.

[antiquie]

17. Uh huh.

Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family.Source

[kelliekat44]

15. Nothing is predictable with this Congress. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

18. Interesting who gets this and who doesn't.

[Capt. Obvious]

21. IKR

[el_bryanto]

20. Why is that relevant today, April 1, 2014?

Or what is the larger point you are trying to make?

Bryant

[MO_Moderate]

22. LOL

The ACA isn't going anywhere. Hell, even if the Republicans were to win total control over the next 3 years, the ACA will not be repealed. It is here to stay.

What's going to happen is that it will continue to be constantly changed to address it's problems and failures, until it basically mirrors a single-payer system.

Like I tell all my Republican family and friends, accept and embrace the ACA.

[verwirrt]

29. Small Correction (first post)

A buddy of mine told me I should check out this site this morning, he acted as though it was some sort of internet joke. Of course he is not what you would call left leaning so consider the source, but I read though a couple of threads and you guys rock. I was pleasantly surprised. Especially since I assumed he was trying an April Fool's day trick. I will have to buy him lunch later to thank him.



However, I felt this post needed an important correction.
While the poster is right that if they gained power the republicans would not repeal ACA, they would do a lot more damage by keeping it around just not in its current form. They would claim to be "fixing it" playing off the mantra that was recently popular by democratic politicians. To do so they would remove the individual mandate, subsidy, and medicaid expansion funding then sit back and laugh while the program imploded upon itself. All the while claiming victory because the program couldn't "stand on its own merit" (after they gutted the parts that make is possible). That's what you would see happen to ACA if the republicans are allowed back into power.

[Baitball Blogger]

30. Welcome to DU.

[zipplewrath]

31. Other corrrection

Truth is, with or without the GOP getting control of congress, there will be the insurance and health care lobbies constantly working to change the ACA to their favor. They'll be after what is defined as a "medical expense". They'll also be looking to make it harder for public options to exist. They'll want medicaid to be more expensive.

And they'll find alot of blue dog democrats from red districts that "have to be accomodated" to help them accomplish all of this.

[MO_Moderate]

32. Welcome, from a newbie himself

If they were to do what you say, it would essentially be repealing the act and they don't have the desire to do that. Despite all their small government rhetoric, they know they benefit from larger government.
Hell, they will start folding once we start running ads claiming they will repeal the ACA.

Of course, we won't know unless they have total power, and that's not going to happen.

I have no doubt that we will have a form of single-payer within the next 10-15 years.