So now we have a US condemnation over the order for Jews to register

[nadinbrzezinski]

at Donesk.

I guess the US Dept of State has confirmed this. And yes, it is despicable, but hardly surprising knowing the history, and since these guys are the pro Russian group... I guess the fascist story line will not quite die, just get a lot more complicated.

Hey, if this was as simple as folks at times expect, things would be clear. Right now they are clear as mud.

Here, my bad for not adding a link.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/kerry-condemns-grotesque-fliers-requiring-eastern-ukrainian-jews-to-register-20140417

My excuse, we all have one, is that as a daughter of the holocaust this is brining back not direct memories, just direct memories of the little things that dad said about that period.

[el_bryanto]

1. Well the best way to simplify matters is to ignore all information that conflicts

with the conclusion you have already come to.

Bryant

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. And add to that all the history

in this case going back at least 1500 years.

[el_bryanto]

4. I'm trying to simplify things not complicate them.

Next you'll be suggesting that this situation is created by dozens if not hundreds of people each with their own motivations and plans.

Bryant

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I will not ignore the local conditions

that go back a LOOOBNGGG way. You are welcome to do such.

[el_bryanto]

12. That's what i get for not using the sarcasm tag. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. My apologies

[joeybee12]

3. Well, I trust our State Department more than I trust Putin...

unlike a lot of people here, so there probably is some truth to the existence of those leaflets and who is behind them, which is awful.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. It is not a question of trust

we have had them delivered by both sides now, which is hardly surprising.

I spoke to a neighbor. He has family, Jewish family, in Kiev. They are not waiting. Their American family bought them tickets to Israel and they have sold all already. They will be out of the area in two days.

I actually offered to give them some cash to help them get them started in Israel. It is what it is.

[CFLDem]

8. Your neighbors family is very smart.

Heck I'd leave even if I weren't jewish.

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Nadine, if you would, pls...

I just got to the puter...can you point me to whatever source is talking about this topic?
All I know is what I peeked at in this thread, and the childish sniping in the posts above you is not contributing any info. at all.

thnx...

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Here

http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/kerry-condemns-grotesque-fliers-requiring-eastern-ukrainian-jews-to-register-20140417

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. is there a "Commissioner for Nationalities " in Ukraine?

Do you have any idea if they been been contacted to verify or deny this leaflet?

Questions your friend might want to ask his relatives.

if the answer is yes on both accounts, then indeed they need to get the hell out without delay.

[Raksha]

43. I would trust John Kerry a lot more if he hadn't been SOOO sure the sarin gas attack in Syria

was the work of the Assad regime when it wasn't. But I think he's telling the truth this time, since he isn't claiming to know who's responsible for those fliers. He only condemned them.

[cthulu2016]

46. Um... It was the work of the Assad regime

[Raksha]

49. No it wasn't. It was the work of the so-called "Syrian rebels."

They are actually al-Qaeda terrorists and foreign mercenaries--not Syrian for the most part.

[cthulu2016]

51. You are mistaken, though probably misled on the point

I know you have read things that, for some reason, you credit that told you that.

But they were false. Some of this alt-media wisdom is written by liars, dupes, conspiracy theoriests, attention seekers, troublemakers or just Russian stooges.

There was possible rebel involvement in a small attack months before the headline attacks.

The huge attacks that prompted our threatened bombing of Syria were from Assad regime weapons firing from Assad regime positions, using the Assad regimes large stockpiles of Sarin (which no rebels had on anything like that scale, or with that means to deliver, or they would have fucking used them)

And you could demonstrate this to yourself easily, if you cared to set aside whatever personal interest you have in wanting Kerry to have been lying and thought about the matter.

You are claiming that the rebels had the ability to launch MASSIVE gas attacks on Damascus or other Assad stringholds (if they launched the attacks in question then they had that capability) and declined to do so, but did infiltrate Assad positions for the purpose of launching a MASSIVE attack on themselves using truck-launched artillery rockets they didn't have.

They would have neded to quietly take over several Assad forces military positions in order to secretly bomb themselves, and then slip away rather than just, perhaps, holding those captured positions.

And all because al Queada is afraid of bad publicity, or something.

You might as well be taling about how the moon-landing was staged.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

56. Actually, you are the one who is mistaken.

Seymour Hersh was kind enough to connect the dots for everyone. It was the Turks, mainly. They want to expand their influence into Syria and are funneling arms to the Syrian rebels to do so. The gas attack was meant to force the hand of the Obama administration, which had been reluctant to get directly involved. That's why the attack plan fell apart at the last minute - chemical analysis of the sarin gas proved it was unlikely to come from Syrian stocks.

Attacking Assad controlled parts of Syria would have been stupid; the whole point was to rally the world against Syria. A chemical attack would have done precisely the opposite. But please do tell me more about how this is just like staging the moon landing.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

[cthulu2016]

58. How's that plane shot down by a Navy missile doing?

Seymour Hersh has done some good things in his life, but he's a crank whose stories are seldom confirmed, sometimes readily disproved, and sometimes right.

I like the guy, but I don't find him credible for much of any purpose. He finished that off almost 20 years ago with his fricking "airplane missile trutherism.

But conspiracy nuts love him.

Why don't you try actually reading a wide range of material and learning something and thinking and such, rather than digging for anything that supports what you WANT to believe and rejecting everything you don't want to believe?

[SolutionisSolidarity]

60. Wow, was I ever right about you.

Seymour Hersh demolished your talking points, and all you have is personal attacks. You are a pathetic person, and I'm putting you on ignore because you are not worth talking to.

[cthulu2016]

61. I am crying so hard right now!

SolutionisSolidarity, who seems to be a pro-Russian agitator of some sort, is putting me on ignore.

I guess I will have to just carry on.

(The Hersh piece, in case anyone is interested, is a fucking joke. It assembles data points while excluding all information that utterly negates those data points. And the chemical analysis he puts such store in is weaker than what we bombed an aspirin factory over in the 1990s... in fact, it closely resembles some of the pre-war Iraq intel. Get one lab result you WANT and dismiss all other data. The attacks in question were fucking HUGE... biggest in the world since the Iran-Iraq war. No rebels had the capability to launch them. Assad did have the capability to launch them. They were launched from areas held by Assad forces into areas held by rebel forces, over a long period of time. The Assad government did not seem to consider the possibility they were launched by rebels... funny. But if you can find some smelly scrap of information that supports what you WANT to be the case that trumps all.)

[The Magistrate]

63. With Some Regret, Sir, I Must Agree

This is the gist of that article:

"Within a few days of the 21 August attack, the former intelligence official told me, Russian military intelligence operatives had recovered samples of the chemical agent from Ghouta. They analysed it and passed it on to British military intelligence; this was the material sent to Porton Down. (A spokesperson for Porton Down said: ‘Many of the samples analysed in the UK tested positive for the nerve agent sarin.’ MI6 said that it doesn’t comment on intelligence matters.)

The former intelligence official said the Russian who delivered the sample to the UK was ‘a good source – someone with access, knowledge and a record of being trustworthy’"

In short, Russian intelligence provided a sample which they said exonerated their client Assad. I am not impressed, and that is even before factoring in that the source for this to Mr. Hirsch is a 'former intelligence official'. which is hardly a signifier of probity all on its lonesome....

[Raksha]

62. Thank you, Solution.

I read the Seymour Hersh article you linked to, but it's a fairly recent one. But I was paying close attention at the time, and I also have a Syrian neighbor who has been providing me with inside information for several years.

By "inside information" I don't mean anything classified, but insights into the political situation that would be common knowledge to any Syrian, but that the average American is totally ignorant about. My neighbor found me some links in English, which confirmed everything he told me and expanded on it. Naturally these were not corporate American MSM sources, who were doing nothing but repeating the official government spin.

The Turkish involvement was generally unknown last summer when it all hit the fan. That's new information which Seymour Hersh has provided. The main culprits bankrolling the so-called "Syrian rebels" were the Saudis and the Qataris, with Jordan providing a staging area.

I don't have my documentation where I can get my hands on it right now, but I can provide it later if needed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Yup, we all know they always lie

always... and we cannot ever trust them.

This is why a neighbor of mine is helping his family out and to Israel, cause you know what? You have no idea of the history of antisemitism in the region if you believe that the State Department is making this up.

And that will be my last answer to you on this subject.

I am tired of this the US is always at fault and we should ignore all kinds of local conditions, cause we all know the US Government was never to be trusted.

[Raksha]

64. You didn't read my post carefully.

I never said the State Department was making this up. Kerry never claimed he knew who was responsible for the fliers, only that they were "authentic" in the sense that they were actually distributed outside a synagogue in Donetsk.

What I SAID is that I would trust Kerry more if he had not blatantly lied about the sarin attacks in Syria last summer. That was actually a huge disappointment to me, because up to that point John Kerry was one of my heroes. I really believed he was one of the good guys, one of the few insiders who was relatively uncompromised.

I don't blame your neighbor for taking the precaution of getting his family to Israel. If they don't feel safe and think they should leave, they should trust their instincts. Believe me, I am well aware of the history of anti-Semitism in the region! Whoever turns out to be responsible for those fliers, the near future doesn't look too bright for the Jews of Ukraine.

Always the eternal scapegoats.

[Aerows]

7. I read that article

but I thought it was a hoax. Is it true? If so, that is horrifying.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Secretary of State Kerry called it DESPICABLE

earlier in the day. And something that should not be happening in the 21st century.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/kerry-condemns-grotesque-fliers-requiring-eastern-ukrainian-jews-to-register-20140417

[Aerows]

15. Wow.

Just wow. I swear if you read the news, sometimes you just want to sit down and cry for the world.

[JackRiddler]

65. And Kerry is never wrong.

Like with the Iraqi WMDs.

[Raksha]

45. Nobody knows at this point.

But it makes me sick that someone is mind-fucking Holocaust survivors and their descendants, and all other Jews in the process. For what purpose isn't clear yet.

[notadmblnd]

14. Does anyone know if Jewish people in Russia are currently required

to register as Jews?

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. They used to during the Tsarist period

and then with the USSR as well. I don't believe so, but right now the google is only giving me results for the Ukraine

[notadmblnd]

18. I asked because it doesn't make sense to me that Russian troops in the Ukraine

would make it a requirement there if it is not a policy of Russia proper.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Historically Jews had to register as they became adults

throughout that region. Jews were not allowed in Russia proper, and were kept in small towns and at times larger cities, (the Ghettoes were not limited to Italy, where the term originated). Those policies survived the Russian Revolution, and these areas are historically in this same areas.

These areas saw wise spread Progroms at the end of the 19th century as well.

The term "pogrom" became commonly used in English after a large-scale wave of anti-Jewish riots swept through south-western Imperial Russia (present-day Ukraine and Poland) from 1881 to 1884 (in that period over 200 anti-Jewish events occurred in the Russian Empire, notably the Kiev, Warsaw and Odessa pogroms).[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire

So I am not particularly surprised that these requirements are rearing their ugly heads now.

Jews hoped that the Russian Revolution would stop all that crap and dance, and of course it did not.

But given where this is happening, it is truly same shit different century.

[malthaussen]

20. These things are apparently the work of Donetsk separatists...

... and not of any legally-constituted authority. Says so right in the leaflet, in fact, which you may read here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024834552

"The main staff of the Donetsk Republic" is a fiction, so this appears to be either a scam or a prequel to a pogrom by militants.

Dunno why this is breaking today, it was reported yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024831318

-- Mal

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. What is breaking is the condemnation by the US Secretary of State of this leaphlet

not the leaphlet

[notadmblnd]

28. thank you

[Bodhi BloodWave]

21. If its done by pro-Kiev people

in the name of the pro-Russian protesters though it makes a whole lot of sense neh?

least that was my first thought when I heard about this 'requirement', very effective way to discredit the pro-Russian people(after all, who will believe them when they say they didn't write it?(Which incidentally they have said i believe.))

sidenote: Has there been any actual proof of Russian troops being there or are we still going by assumption on it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Kiev and Donest are separated by some distance

in fact, enough to usually have flights between the two cities.

We had one a few weeks back issued in Kiev, this is a different event.

And why people who have a long historic memory are having flashbacks, and why some in the Jewish Community are getting out.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

37. just because there is some distance

doesn't mean there won't be people trying to discredit those they oppose.

No arguments on the long history part though.

And to me it seems a lot more likely/logical that somebody who supported the coupsters made the Jewish registration papers then those wanting autonomy

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. You have had "both sides" now do it

so the... other side are a bunch of Nazis that will engage in ethnic cleaning has lost a lot of cache, and should lead to quite a bit of cognitive dissonance. I know, a fact that will be buried.

[steve2470]

22. What we know about the ‘grotesque’ leaflet handed out to Jews in Donetsk

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/04/17/what-we-know-about-the-grotesque-leaflet-handed-out-to-jews-in-donetsk/

So, what is going on?

While the content of the letter is obviously offensive, there are plenty of reasons to be a little cautious aboutthis story, and groups like the Anti-Defamation League have been careful to add in news releases that they were "skeptical about the flier’s authenticity."
It certainly seems possible that the flier was the work of pro-Russia separatists, working with or without the support or knowledge of Pushilin. At this stage, however, it is also possible that the letter was written by someone seeking to discredit Pushilin and the separatist government, as Novosti.dn.ua reported.

How worried should we be?

Our reporters in Donetsk have spoken to members of the Jewish community, who say that while the letters do appear to have been handed out, it doesn't seem to be a big deal.
Whatever actually happened, there is one clear takeaway here: With both sides accusing the other of being "Nazis," and accusing the other of anti-Semitism, Eastern Ukraine's Jewish community is having an especially tough time during the Ukrainian crisis.

fwiw.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. And some in that community are LEAVING

clear enough for you? This is how seriously some are already taking it.

[steve2470]

26. Nadin....

I understand that. If I was Jewish, I'd be leaving also.

Geesh.

[Raksha]

50. A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Quote from the article: With both sides accusing the other of being "Nazis," and accusing the other of anti-Semitism, Eastern Ukraine's Jewish community is having an especially tough time during the Ukrainian crisis.

[PCIntern]

27. Despicable that this has occurred. What I find most interesting HERE is who

DOESN'T post outrage at this grotesque happenstance.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. I am not particularly surprised

but I fear we will have (and it will be tricky since I never ever go to temple) have a silent evacuation starting. It will not be the first time.

I started to trash all those threads. The simplistic view of this has gotten to my nerves at long last. So I expect turn about fair play, and it might offer some Cognitive Dissonance to boot as well

[1000words]

67. Some of us aren't prone to spouting off half-cocked, is all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024836207

[Behind the Aegis]

68. Not at all surprising, though is it?

[cthulu2016]

29. The distribution is confirmed. The source uncertain... But there is a CLUE

When the thing was just a post on te internet I figured it could be anything.

But since it is confirmed that it was distributed by gun-toting men to people leaving synagogue that means that in a city under revolutionary/militia rule of some sort somebody felt confident enough to take to the streets and distribute something in the name of the rebel government.

It seems like armed opposition to the rebel government would have more on their hands than false flag leaflets. Or maybe not... but, I tend toward the ADL guy's framing in USA Today that he doesn't know whether its from the rebel government itself or a splinter group within that general movement.

The case for it being of some pro-Russian origin is stronger than the alternative, but not proven.

Also, given the way it has been picked up by Israeli media, that suggests Jewish discomfort with Russian involvement in Ukraine, from a Jewish perspective. (That is, not buying into the Ukraine=Nazis narrative.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Knowing Jewish History

I know exactly what the ADL is doing... being a Jew helps (why Jews always have a passport ready to flee at a moments notice). They are publicly trying to calm the flames. In private I guarantee you that my neighbor's family is not alone. They just blew 20K in plane tickets to Israel for family in the Ukraine.

I expect that to start happening a lot more and for the hat to be passed at synagogues all across the US, and the world, that too is based on history. I also expect, if things degrade more, for El Al to arrange for planes to land in Kiev and just take people out.

[Adrahil]

33. Agreed...

It looks like a Pro-Russian group is doing this, but it's far from certain at this point. It COULD be a false flag operation, though I don;t see any evidence of it so far.

[seveneyes]

48. Likely done by someone trying to discredit someone else

A spokeswoman for the State Department confirmed Thursday that there is evidence that the fliers are real, but added that they are still unsure who is behind them. "I don't have more details on where the leaflets are coming from, but I know we're looking into it," spokeswoman Marie Harf said.

In a statement to National Journal, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said "Secretary Kerry's statement reflects my disgust, dismay, and disbelief that in this century we would see such an attack on the Jewish people. The fact that no group or individual is taking responsibility tells me that it could well be part of a sick strategy to foment even more unrest in Ukraine."

It wouldn't be a first, but it certainly is one of the most disgusting acts.

[Adrahil]

57. Yup. I agree.

It's despicable either way.

[Raksha]

32. From your link:

Already, Sens. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Marco Rubio, R-Fla., were tweeting about the escalation of anti-Semitism in the country on Thursday. "The true face of intolerance emerging in east Ukraine, Cruz wrote.

I doubt that Ted Cruz actually gives a damn about anti-Semitism in Ukraine. And if he thinks west Ukraine is any less anti-Semitic than east Ukraine, I've got news for him.

Re In a statement to National Journal, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said "Secretary Kerry's statement reflects my disgust, dismay, and disbelief that in this century we would see such an attack on the Jewish people. The fact that no group or individual is taking responsibility tells me that it could well be part of a sick strategy to foment even more unrest in Ukraine."

So far, Boxer's take on it is closest to my own. Someone is trying to stir the shit without taking responsibility, and doing a great job of it so far. Or maybe not so great, considering how obvious they are.

[cthulu2016]

35. The fact that the RW is anti-Russian means nothing to me, and

I have no cognitive dissonance with agreeing with a RW loon saying the holocaust is bad, etc..

Nobody does, or should, or even can disagree with anyone about everything.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. So you are telling me taht since Ted Cruz is saying the Holocaust is bad

the holocaust was not bad? Sorry in advance if that is not your intent. Stuck clocks come to mind.

[m-lekktor]

34. Somebody at the New Republic is claiming it's a hoax

BUT many of the commentors aren't buying it (that it's a hoax):

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117415/relax-ukraine-not-ordering-its-jews-register

[cthulu2016]

36. I may well be. I am totally up in the air.

It is so ham-handed... but I really don't know.

But I think that either way it is probably a hoax insofar as it probably was not disseminated under orders from (or even written by) Denis whats-his-name, the head of the self-decalred People Republic of Donetsk.

So in that sense, yes... probably fake. But whether a false flag from Ukraine or an over-reach by a few pro-Russian anti-semities is anyone's guess.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Given the history, it could be both

and it could be a third group we have not heard from.

It still should make people nervous. and the fact that it was on official letter head... not that people have not stolen letterheads in the past to make somebody else look bad (even in US politics)

[cthulu2016]

42. The official letterhead of a government only 48 hours old?

Or official letterhead of the previous Donetsk authority?

I am not clear on that point.

[cthulu2016]

41. Interesting quote:

On the other hand, says Vladimir Fedorin, an independent Russian journalist working in Ukraine, we shouldn't totally dismiss these fliers. "I think the fliers are fake, but the anti-Maidan crowd is a collection of the hardcore 'alternative' variety and criminals, so it's possible some of them are capable of this." To wit, there were also reports of teenagers distributing these fliers.

Yes. This isn't an ice cream social. This is a mess... largely caused/created by Russia, but featuring fucked up people on all sides.

This is what's it all so maddening. There are some lousy people and lunatics on both sides, yet people think "There are lousy people on Side X" means something.

"There is Svoboda in the Ukraine government!!! How do you defend that???"

The question presumes ignorance... it is not something to defend, it is something to understand. The question is not which side is COOL (neither is), but whether Russia aggressively reabsorbing territory given up when the USSR collapsed is a good thing, or presumptively Russia's right to do.

And it isn't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. I know the history of the region

and this from you is exactly what is needed.

it is not something to defend, it is something to understand. The question is not which side is COOL (neither is), but whether Russia aggressively reabsorbing territory given up when the USSR collapsed is a good thing, or presumptively Russia's right to do.

The problem is that most people really do not want to understand. They have made their minds.

It's gotten to the point that we really want to fit the same square peg into this hole. And I just trash those threads any longer. They are as ahistorical as it gets.

[cthulu2016]

44. From COMMENTS:

- as a native speaker and ex resident of Kiev, I am 99% sure the letter itself was a prank. Just the way it reads and signed. However, no question that this pro-russian mob in Donetsk is largely virulently antisemitic

Sounds about right, aide from the word choice "prank"

[penultimate]

47. I'm skeptical of this whole thing

I'm definitely not a pro-putin or rooting for the break up the Ukraine, but stuff like this always makes me skeptical... Mostly because I've yet to hear of any anti-jewish sentiment on either side of the conflict. If there were other anti-jewish sentiments by the pro-russian crowds, then I'd be more open to this being legit. But this coming out of the blue seems suspect. That being said, I'll await more information before making any sort of real judgement on it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. I know a neighbor of mine is paying the tickets to Israel

for his family in Kiev. They are not waiting to find out.

[penultimate]

53. Can't blame anyone for wanting to get out of there.

That entire region is a tinderbox. Also, being Jewish sounds like a rough time no matter what. No matter which side one believes, it sounds as if the neo-nazis will be coming out either way.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. We only differ in calling them neo nazis

fact is that progroms are much older than the Nazi party ever was.

[JackRiddler]

66. Except there is no evidence there was an order.

This story is being debunked in both Haaretz and The New Republic, and the ADL's condemnation also suggests it's black propaganda.

The flyers were distributed by three someones in masks -- who can be on either side. A photo was taken and sent to the Israeli JTA news service (very hardline wire), and then this somehow turned into an "official order" and even Kerry ends up decrying it.

Here's TNR coverage:

Today, the Western press caught up with the Ukrainian rumor mill: apparently, the People's Republic of Donetsk had ordered all Jews over the age of 16 to pay a fee of $50 U.S. and register with the new "authorities," or face loss of citizenship or expulsion. This was laid out in officious-looking fliers pasted on the local synagogue. One local snapped a photo of the fliers and sent it to a friend in Israel, who then took it to the Israeli press and, voila, an international scandal: American Twitter is abuzz with it, Drudge is hawking it, and, today in Geneva, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry slammed the fliers as "grotesque."

The Donetsk Jewish community dismissed this as "a provocation," which it clearly is. "It's an obvious provocation designed to get this exact response, going all the way up to Kerry," says Fyodr Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs. "I have no doubt that there is a sizeable community of anti-Semites on both sides of the barricades, but for one of them to do something this stupid—this is done to compromise the pro-Russian groups in the east."

Why? The Russian government has been playing up the (real but small) role of fascists and neo-Nazis in the victory of the EuroMaidan in Kiev. The Ukrainian government, utterly powerless to fight off the Russians and their local stooges, have had to rely on other methods, like leaking taped phone calls of allegedly local separatists getting their commands from Moscow. This may be just another tactic to smear the so-called anti-Maidan in the east of Ukraine: you think we're fascists? Well, take a look at these guys.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117415/relax-ukraine-not-ordering-its-jews-register

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. I will take the word of a paper that pushed the invasion of Iraq

any day now. Really.

Look I don't care what you believe or not. And as far as Ha'aretz are concerned, I hope they are correct, but from what I have heard from non existent neighbor who is paying the one way tickets for his relatives in Kiev to Israel, things are getting that dark.

Don't worry if they do, per usual the victims will be blamed. And that is all I have to say about it.

And for the record, I do not want to wake up to news of a synagogue burned, a rabbi assassinated or worst ok. But given the long history of the area, going to far back than WW II, I would not be surprised either.

Perhaps my ears are highly attuned to this, blame the Nazis and 50+ relatives going up the stacks at Treblynka.