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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:11 PM Apr 2014

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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) YoungDemCA Apr 2014 OP
"Snowden and his followers"???????? 99Forever Apr 2014 #1
You act like they went as far as to spy on congressional members think Apr 2014 #4
I know. 99Forever Apr 2014 #5
Thank you. I'm not a "follower" of anybody. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #6
Apparently, preferring to know what the USG does to you with your tax dollars merrily Apr 2014 #15
True and not as safe from what? treestar Apr 2014 #2
..... Phlem Apr 2014 #3
You should address them in real life then. Because any of Snowdens many followers here Autumn Apr 2014 #7
What = being a follower of Snowden? merrily Apr 2014 #17
I don't see myself as a follower either. What = being a follower of Snowden is locked Autumn Apr 2014 #18
I don't think that makes you a follower, or even a supporter in general, of Snowden and merrily Apr 2014 #21
The labels they throw out defines them more than the anyone they label Autumn Apr 2014 #22
You are more generous than I. I know they have nothing on this, yet merrily Apr 2014 #24
I know where you are coming from. When they started calling him Comrade Eddie Autumn Apr 2014 #26
I miss the unrec button. Scuba Apr 2014 #8
plonk for this bullshit bobduca Apr 2014 #9
Uh-oh, must be time for another damaging revelation. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #10
Oh, wait. You're serious about this? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #11
You need to spend more time on DU LittleBlue Apr 2014 #12
List of (logical) fallacies: Zorra Apr 2014 #13
Ah, the old, "if you're not vocally upset about everything, your a hypocrite" argument. hughee99 Apr 2014 #14
This is a particularly weak effort. n/t QC Apr 2014 #16
How does revealing something he learned on his job without speaking out on merrily Apr 2014 #19
R#5 for, resisting the tide of purported non-followers. n/t UTUSN Apr 2014 #20
Well folks... 99Forever Apr 2014 #23
Whaaa? Gov't spying is okay because ... drugs or something? DirkGently Apr 2014 #25

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
1. "Snowden and his followers"????????
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

You mean those of us that think that our government should be bound to follow the Constitution and not be spied on by the NSA?

Those "followers?"

 

think

(11,641 posts)
4. You act like they went as far as to spy on congressional members
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:20 PM
Apr 2014

they'd never do that....

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
5. I know.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:22 PM
Apr 2014

Crazy stuff, huh?

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
6. Thank you. I'm not a "follower" of anybody.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:27 PM
Apr 2014

And just because other causes might not be addressed as much as they should be doesn't mean that we should ignore this one. Besides, the government isn't just spying on middle-class white people; they're spying on all of us. The OP is a major fail.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. Apparently, preferring to know what the USG does to you with your tax dollars
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:04 PM
Apr 2014

equals being a disciple of Snowden and approving of everything he has ever done and everything he ever will do, as well as everything he has been claimed to have done.

As if Snowden were the issue to begin with.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. True and not as safe from what?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

The government already has plenty of information on each of them. And maybe the metadata would find a terrorist. But they want to believe they are being "spied on" and if they are even, what is going to happen to them? The "corporations" have tons of data on them.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
3. .....
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:19 PM
Apr 2014

Autumn

(44,765 posts)
7. You should address them in real life then. Because any of Snowdens many followers here
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:34 PM
Apr 2014

HAVE and DO speak out against all those things.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
17. What = being a follower of Snowden?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:07 PM
Apr 2014

I am glad that I know some of what the USG is doing. I don't see myself as a follower of Snowden, though.

Autumn

(44,765 posts)
18. I don't see myself as a follower either. What = being a follower of Snowden is locked
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:12 PM
Apr 2014

in the mind of the ones who are angry at him for showing what our government is doing. I appreciate what he did, it brought on a conversation and if that makes me a follower to them then I will wear that label.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. I don't think that makes you a follower, or even a supporter in general, of Snowden and
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:23 PM
Apr 2014

everything he did, does or may do in the future.

I am very glad to have the info he disclosed and that is about it for me. If you don't think being glad for the info makes you a follower, why accept a label in which you don't believe?

Making this about Snowden and what he has NOT said publicly about Afghanistan or anything else is only deflection of the worst kind anyway. And sweeping his alleged "followers" into it is an even worse tactic.

I respect your willingness to accept the label, but I do not respect the tactics of the opening post.


Autumn

(44,765 posts)
22. The labels they throw out defines them more than the anyone they label
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:33 PM
Apr 2014

Let them, they really have nothing else. Take the OP for example. Post a bunch of crap that anyone who has read DU for more than five minutes knows is a complete pile of bull shit because any Democrat here or IRL speaks out about those things and use it to smear and trash the people who don't hate Snowden and give a group some mindless drivel to rec and say atta boy.

I love the Fuck it, says I.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. You are more generous than I. I know they have nothing on this, yet
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:37 PM
Apr 2014

I am not willing to give the fake label either.

I am tired of these tactics. Among many other things, they are boring, tedious and childish, as well as being wrong and therefore are a detriment to the board as a whole.

If a poster want to smear me, they need to step it up and at least make it interesting.

Autumn

(44,765 posts)
26. I know where you are coming from. When they started calling him Comrade Eddie
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:44 PM
Apr 2014

was when I realized how stupid their game is. They toss that name on him like it's a big ass smear. Obviously they haven't picked up a dictionary for a while.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comrade

I agree with you post 100%. You nailed them.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
8. I miss the unrec button.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:37 PM
Apr 2014

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
9. plonk for this bullshit
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:44 PM
Apr 2014
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
10. Uh-oh, must be time for another damaging revelation.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:44 PM
Apr 2014

p.s. it is the message, not the messenger.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. Oh, wait. You're serious about this?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:44 PM
Apr 2014

Who's at fault with all the items you listed?

Who runs the war on drugs?

Who is in charge of the economic policy?

Who is in charge of civil liberties policies?

Who is in charge of the CIA?

Who is in charge of the the endless and useless wars?

Who is in charge of "security"?

Snowden and Greenwald? Or the government?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
12. You need to spend more time on DU
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:46 PM
Apr 2014

We talk loads about the wealth gap, the failure of the war on drugs, etc.

OP is drivel

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
13. List of (logical) fallacies:
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
14. Ah, the old, "if you're not vocally upset about everything, your a hypocrite" argument.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

Always fun to see a classic.

QC

(26,371 posts)
16. This is a particularly weak effort. n/t
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:05 PM
Apr 2014

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. How does revealing something he learned on his job without speaking out on
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:17 PM
Apr 2014

all the other topics you mentioned make Snowden a hypocrite? He was in his 20s at the time and not a journalist. And what makes someone a follower of Snowden? I've asked that of other posters upthread. May as well ask the OP. Speaking for myself, I was glad to learn what Snowden disclosed about my own government. Does that make me a Snowden follower?

As for Greenwald, he is a journalist. I don't know a lot about his career, either, but he probably has spoken out on at least some of the subjects you mentioned at some point. Are you sure he hasn't? If he hasn't, then that is too bad.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
20. R#5 for, resisting the tide of purported non-followers. n/t
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:20 PM
Apr 2014

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
23. Well folks...
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:35 PM
Apr 2014

... looks like just another hit and run, drive-by OP.

Seems "YoungDemCA" doesn't even believe their own bull shit enough to defend it.


I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
25. Whaaa? Gov't spying is okay because ... drugs or something?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

Opposition to authoritarianism is part and parcel of progressive / Democratic activism and always has been.

The better question is where is ANY self-professed liberal or progressive finds a motive to rally around unconstitutional invasiveness by the government.

If libertarians are opposing violations of the 4th Amendment, they are right about that.

To the extent anyone else thinks limitless, illegal government spying is okay, they are wrong about that.

Some very convoluted logic going on here.


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