This is not a bash the North thread.

[Skip Intro]

I live in what used to be a little town just outside Charleston, SC. The place is booming and has been for some time. Tonight I'm in a convenience store I frequent, and these two big guys get to the counter and the clerk asks the guy who was carrying a case of beer for an ID. The other big guy says, "I'm buying the beer, here's my ID." The clerk says that ain't happening, as it's against the law for her to do it. The guy with the ID starts getting rude and whiny. He gave her a hard time for a minute, then he started moving toward the door after he noticed a few of us looking at him like, "try it, asshole."

Lot of customers at that store know that woman by name, and she knows us. This dude still was talking shit about how "he's from PA and you don't gotta put up with this kinda shit, and I come down here, and I gotta put up with this kinda shit," (waah fucking wahh for this guy, you know?). The whole time he was slowly walking backwards toward the door and right before he walks out, a woman walks in and hears what he's saying and says something like, "yeah, I'm from Maryland, you just gotta deal with it, its ridiculous down here."

And I'm thinking, coming close to saying, if you hate it here so damn much, why don't you go the fuck back to where you liked it better? Don't feel like you need to stay on our account. We'll get by.

[hrmjustin]

1. But this is not about us northerners.

[Skip Intro]

3. It's about jerks. I wasn't complaining about where they were from. They

were complaining about where they are. And being rude to a kind older Southern woman in the process.

[hrmjustin]

5. Very well.

Btw I can tell you for a fact that in PA you have to show ID and they know that same trick here in the north.

[NutmegYankee]

9. I think every state in the NE enforces that.

I was buying a case of Yuengling while driving home through PA and the clerk pulled out a book to check my ID. As if I didn't look old enough...

[hrmjustin]

11. I am 35 and still get carded.

Hate that.

[NutmegYankee]

15. I hate that we card period.

We look so damned stupid compared to Europe with our Puritan alcohol laws. They need to follow belt buckle shoes into the cesspit of history.

[PotatoChip]

44. Wait till you're 45. You'll like it by then. :-) (nt)

[awoke_in_2003]

54. I am 46

and wish like hell someone would card me.

[blueamy66]

72. I'm 47 and am sick of it.

Especially when I run in with my only my debit card and have to go back to the car for my ID.

Enough already!

[B Calm]

82. I'm 63, baldheaded, and was carded at Walmart when I bought a 12 pack of Labatts Blue.

[blueamy66]

91. That is just stupid and a waste of time.

I go to the same damn store almost every time I buy alcohol. The girls have my name and DOB memorized, but they have to SEE my ID every stinking time. I guess it's a state law.

I've just moved here and I every now and then I forget to bring in my ID and lo and behold....

And don't get me started on the "no alcohol sales in stores in Indiana on Sunday" law. What, it's okay to sell it in bars and restaurants, but no package sales? Stupid.

[B Calm]

92. I live behind the Hoosier Iron Curtain too, I guess we should be in church

on Sunday, lol. .

[blueamy66]

94. I go to Church on Sunday!

But wanna enjoy a cold one at home, watching the games afterward.

Can someone fill me in on the reason behind this?

[Chan790]

111. Blue laws.

The same reason places that sell liquor in CT and MA are called "package stores" (or "packies" for short)...both states had blue laws well into the 1950s that prohibited retailers advertising in name, window displays or advertisement that they sold alcohol. It was also illegal to carry in public even an unopened container. (So, the stores took to the name "package store" because whatever they sold you had to leave the premises in packaging, whether a box or a bag. In short order, the name stuck and a sign reading "package store" became a sort of legalized codeword for "liquor store" that has outlasted the state law by almost 70 years.)

It's only been legal to sell alcohol on Sundays for about 15 years now in CT. (The same law that permitted grocery stores to sell beer and wine still expressly forbids them alcohol sales on Sundays. Bars in CT are required to serve food if they're open on Sundays. CT has weird alcohol laws.) It's still illegal to buy alcohol out of state and transport it into CT to circumvent state distribution laws, even if you report it and pay the tariff. They set up checkpoints at the state border to randomly check cars some weekends.

Pretty much everywhere in the state of CT, this is a common sight:

(Photo Credit: E&J Package Store in Bridgeport, CT)

I have no idea why so many packies are in converted houses, particularly in the rural parts of CT...but they are.

Edit: This has caused no end of headaches for UPS as their retail locations are called "UPS Package Store" and they're not package stores. Likewise, I've been given directions when traveling out of state to everything from Post Offices to Kinko's to Staples because I've forgotten that I need to ask for directions to a "Liquor Store" instead.

[NutmegYankee]

117. The Sunday sales prohibition is finally dead. All stores may sell 10AM-5PM.

Also, I have never seen a checkpoint for alcohol in a decade of living here. In fact I haven't even heard of that as its surely unconstitutional. Many states have the rule that you need a permit to take alcoholic beverages into the state for personal consumption. Its just that nobody gives a fuck, including myself. Dogs don't alert on cases of Yuengling making the rule completely unenforceable. The massive in flood of beer from RI and MA on Sundays was a large driver in allowing Sunday sales.

[Chan790]

130. Yay.

I've been gone for a few years before just coming back in January so this is good news to me. I wouldn't have noticed because I no longer drink.

They did the checkpoint stops up by MA on Rt. 159 (and probably elsewhere) just over the border like 500 ft; we got stopped 5-ish years ago around 2PM (some holiday weekend, Memorial Day perhaps)...they say they're random checkpoints for seat-belts, open-container or DUI.

[NutmegYankee]

131. Police can set up a sobriety checkpoint, but they cannot just search vehicles for alcohol.

Police have no justification to search a car to see if a case of beer is in the back. If they tried that I'd record it on the cell phone and immediately contact the ACLU. Some town needs to cut their budget...

[Jenoch]

152. Minnesota does not allow liquor, wine, or beer with alcohol greater than 3.2% by volume to be sold

in grocery stores. It is also illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays (except for the low alcohol variety). The reason for the blue law way back when was about religion, but that has not been the case for decades. The reason the liquor stores are not open on Sunday in Minnesota is because the liquor store owners do not want the law changed. Their sales would not be much larger, the sales would just spread to Sunday. There are a few border communities in which the Minnesota liquor stores lose sales, but so far they have not been able to get the votes to change the law.

[mac56]

165. Likewise no wine or strong beer can be sold at supermarkets

unlike almost all our contiguous states.

Once again, the liquor store owners' lobby object to it. Naturally they dress it up in concerns about making demon rum too easily available to the kids. "Won't someone please think of the children?!"

[Jenoch]

166. Do you live in Minnesota?

The liquor lobby in Minnesota does not lobby against changing the law with "Won't someone please think of the children?!".

Other people/legislators have expressed concern using that general idea however.

[mac56]

168. Yes. I've lived here almost all of my 57 years.

I'm quite sure I didn't indict the liquor manufacturers, but rather the liquor RETAILERS. I don't imagine that manufacturers, distributors, et al are opposed to it one bit.

[Jenoch]

173. You know what?

I think I've gotten two different subjects mixed up. The opposition to Sunday liquor and alcohol sold in grocery stores. In the past, the liquor in supermarkets has come up and this year the Sunday liquor has come up.

Personally, I'm opposed to both. I think the independent and small municipal liquor retailers will lose if liquor in grocery stores is allowed. I also think most liquor retailers don't want a change in the no liquor sales on Sunday law. Sorry about the confusion.

[Eleanors38]

107. I'm 66, but get carded for my AARP discount.

If the Texas Aloholic Beverage Commission cites a retailer for violation, it may require the store to card EVERYONE for a time. If a person isn't carded (the Board follows up), the store gets hit hard with another penalty, and the person could be 66, too!

[Jenoch]

151. A huge liquor, wine, and beer store just opened in the Twin Cities.

It's a Total Wine & Spirits store and I took my 82 years old father there and they carded him, they check everybody's ID. I guess that just takes all of the judgement away from the employees so they cannot later claim they were sure the customer was old enough if in fact they were not.

[pipi_k]

108. How about

75?

A friend who is 75 but looks mid to late 60s got carded recently.

[TeeYiYi]

143. I don't think it's about age any more...

I think it's about scanning your driver's license.

Whenever I get carded, they scan my ID. Otherwise, they look at me and don't ask.

TYY

Edited to add: I'm 55. There's no earthly reason why I should be getting carded.

[Skittles]

183. you want I should kick your bald, carded ass, B Calm?

LEMME AT YOU!!!

[B Calm]

209. I had a friend once, every time we go out to the bar he

would be looking for a fight. Now myself after a bunch of drinks, I would just get happy and sloppy.

[MADem]

65. You'll feel a profound sense of regret when they stop, though!

It'll mean that the last vestiges of your fresh-faced youth have been irrevocably squeezed from your visage!!!

[aquart]

52. Personally, that would make my day. Oh, well.

[CreekDog]

17. Pennsylvania has state run liquor stores

and pretty heavy restrictions on other types of retail.

which makes your story sound kind of

[Warpy]

60. Got it.

Mannerless clods exist in all areas and I've seen similar ones on their home turf in Mass.

Still, if they wanted what they were used to, they should have stayed where they were.

ETA: white hair and a long white beard and a walker here in NM and you will still get carded. There are no exceptions, driver's licenses have to be scanned for alcohol and tobacco to ring up.

[Adrahil]

84. They were just being jackwagons...

... that shit don't fly in Maryland.

But I DO have LOTS of material on South Carolina (I kid... good and bad people everywhere, just more of some at one place, etc).

[CreekDog]

103. your thread isn't about this?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #25)Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:40 PM

72. Says CreekDog, a regular basher of the South. n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4888301

(and I'm not a South basher, though you've accused me of that dozens of times here)

[JNelson6563]

2. No shortage of dumb or rude in the north.

We've got plenty of that up here!

Julie

[NutmegYankee]

4. Well send our freaking jobs back and we'll leave!

Half of the people who moved didn't do so because they love humidity and mosquitoes!

[chrisa]

106. Sorry, but CT sent those jobs away.

It's not that other places are stealing CT's jobs. It's that the state is so horribly mismanaged that nobody wants to work or live there anymore.

It's an ugly state (unless if you're rich and can live in the hills) with a ghost town of a Capitol, and fails to retain anyone who isn't bound there for economic reasons.

I've always found the "Texas / Florida / wherever is stealing our jobs!" a bull crap excuse. It's time for CT to look in the mirror and figure out why companies aren't staying.

To sum it all up, people may hate humidity and Mosquitos (CT has those too, in large numbers), but there's a reason everybody wants to leave.

[NutmegYankee]

116. How the hell does someone find Conn. ugly?

Have you even been here? We have 50% timberland cover and have one of the highest rates of urban forest in the country. Tons of beautiful parks and small towns spread throughout the state to see and visit.

As for jobs, I was referring to the entire Northeast and Midwest. With respect to the high desire to leave, Conn. has some of the wealthiest suburbs in the Country and some of the poorest cities. Those living in cities with low incomes in a high cost of living state obviously have it rough.

I actually moved here from Virginia, and love the decision.

[chrisa]

120. It's a fine state if you have money. If not, it's awful.

It's a world of two extremes: The rich and the poor.

It's a state that's unnecessarily pricey for very little benefit. I have to imagine most of the money fed to CT is wasted (or give to the rich), because there's very little explanation what else could be done with it - very little is done to rejuvenate Hartford (a.k.a. What the apocalypse would look like when you go there on a Saturday night), the roads are terrible, mass transit is nonexistent (or sucks to the point of being nonexistent), and the beaches are horrifically dirty.

Not a fan of the state. As far as NE states go, it's one of the worst, imo (I liked Mass the least). I liked New Hampshire a lot better. Rhode Island has nice beaches and good food as well, so that's probably my favorite.

[NutmegYankee]

123. I would say that Vermont is my favorite New England state.

Perhaps you have spent too much time in the river valley. Check out the Eastern side of the state. Not very wealthy but rural and beautiful. I live in northern New London County.

One of the issues you mention, mass transit, isn't even on my radar. I live in a rural area and while I drive a 14 mile one way commute to the coastline, my drive is only slowed by about 2 traffic lights and 2 stop signs. Within 20-25 minutes, I'm from my door to my desk. Now if you live in Fairfield County otoh, it's a nightmare. But I wouldn't call SE Conn wealthy at all.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

169. Wow - being from CT - I am shocked. It is like you

are talking about a different state other than CT. Surely you are.

CT is stunningly beautiful. Country roads, rolling hills, quintessential beaches and weathered wood cottages.

And I totally disagree about the state not helping the citizens in need. they raised the minimum wage on their own. There are many plans that help those in need.

Boo

[npk]

188. Actually it's more like the high cost of living that has driven many people out

And the jobs have followed. The Northeast has just lost some of it's competitiveness. New York state is trying to turn that around, but it's a slow process. But many people migrate down south, to place like Florida, because the cost of living is so low, and the weather is warm year round. So many retired people find it easier to live in retirement in the south, where their money goes further and the weather is generally better.

[unblock]

6. maryland. isn't that the state on the southern side of the mason-dixon line?

[Skip Intro]

8. It isn't South Carolina. (btw, I said this wasn't a bash the North thread) n/t

[elleng]

14. Something like that,

and ID is necessary to buy beer here too, I'm told!

[hrmjustin]

20. Yeah I just don't get this.

[MADem]

66. Yep. But I guess from the perspective of South Carolina, even North Carolina--never mind

Virginia--is a "northern" state.

I wonder if anyone from Alabama ever tried to pull that stunt?

Of course, if the guy buying the beer had a disability, and the beer carrier was his personal aide, that would be a horse of a different color, I suppose....?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

105. Maryland is neither southern enough

to be a southern state, nor northern enough to be a northern state.

Most of us lean one way or t'other, but prefer our status as a Mid-atlantic state.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. So you're not bashing the geography,

just the people?

Seriously, though, the age to buy alcohol is what, 21 everywhere?

So while the stupid kid who tried to buy underage (or the person trying to buy for him) tied it to how things happen in pennsylvania or maryland, the reality is the exact damn thing would have happened pretty much anywhere in the country. If you look underage, you gotta provide ID. And that doesn't mean ID from somebody else who's buying it for you.

[Skip Intro]

10. No, I'm bashing the whiny rude jerk who thought his being from PA

entitled him to some kind of special exception from the law.

Why stay in a place that makes you miserable?

[CreekDog]

21. i don't think that person exists actually

of all the states in the Northeast to pick for laissez faire liquor sales, you picked the one with heavy duty control of liquor sales and State run liquor stores. you can't even buy beer at most corner stores in Pennsylvania.

[Cali_Democrat]

63. LOL

I love that pic.

[MADem]

67. Now, Virginia...they make it easy!!

One thing I liked about that place was the ability to buy beer/wine with the groceries. One can do that in NH, too, and in ME, but not in MA...ya gotta go to the "packie" for your beverages!

[blueamy66]

93. In Arizona you can buy liquor, along with beer and wine, in many gas stations/convenience stores

What's with all of these antiquated liquor laws???

[Tracer]

96. Not true.

Beer and wine are sold in grocery stores here in MA (and they card you every time).

Maybe you haven't bought groceries in a long time?

[MADem]

122. MOST stores do not do this--I heard that Deval changed the law, but I haven't seen it at

any store I frequent. They don't do it at the Stop and Shop I go to, nor the Market Basket, nor the Shaw's. The "packie" is NEXT DOOR to the grocery store--at every grocery store I go to, pretty much.

BTW, I was at a grocery store just the other day. I usually get stuck with the shopping duty, I do most of the cooking, too around this joint.

The closest I've seen to a grocery store/packie combo is a package store at the Star Market on Brookline Avenue (two blocks up from Fenway Park) having a self-contained package store INSIDE the store, with separate cash registers to purchase anything alcoholic, and a gate that they can pull down to segregate the alcoholic beverages from the groceries late at night or at other times when they are closed -- a separate business that shared the same exit/entrance.

You must be a lucky duck, and be near one of the very few stores that has gotten a license to do this--it's RARE. STILL!! I would not be suggesting to people that they can routinely buy beer/wine at MA supermarkets, because at most, you cannot, still. This contrasts with NH and ME, where, at most, you can:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/11/23/new-law-allows-sales-of-beer-wine-at-more-mass-supermarkets/

Companies that own multiple stores around the state can now sell beer and wine at no more than three of those stores. The bill — which won the approval of the Massachusetts House and Senate — would allow for two additional licenses in 2012, two in 2016 and two more in 2020.

All these dots in the picture below represent just "Stop and Shop" stores. By this new law, only FIVE of them in MA are currently allowed to have alcohol sales. In two years, it'll be seven, and in six years, it'll be nine. That's hardly a dent in their overall franchise. If you don't live near one, well, you don't benefit.



I also saw a place where you could buy "groceries" years ago (that went out of business) on the Cape that had a beer/wine license; it was a place that sold cooked food and had high end, way-the-hell overpriced fancy prepared meats/fish and groceries in it, that catered to wealthy people on yachts. It wasn't for regular folk, it was for rich people. They sold "groceries" but they also sold breakfast, lunch and dinner, which is how they got around the licensing issues.

MA laws are better than they were a half century ago, but they are still quite antiquated when it comes to alcoholic beverage sales. The liquor store lobby is POWERFUL in this state; they've pushed back hard on mail delivery of fine wines; and they've greatly limited availability of beverages in supermarkets, as I've demonstrated.

See http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2011/12/18/mass-liquor-lobby-flexes-muscle-aid-package-stores/GJka3JClNvQn2HIUMwVPLL/story.html

And note this piece:

Grocery stores will be able to sell beer as well as wine in more of their stores, but only by buying existing liquor licenses, not by creating a new kind. Packies - many of them mom-and-pop operations - will gradually face more competition, but their licenses will retain their value.

Not only do the stores have to wait to be allowed to buy licenses, they also have to buy them from someone willing to sell one--which means that only very high traffic super-stores are going to cough up, because those licenses cost a frigging fortune.

[Warpy]

68. Well, that's what pissed him off.

My ex saw all the beer and wine in every convenience store and thought he'd gone to heaven when we drove through the Carolinas. He was shocked that he got carded, anyway.

It's out there in the open and not ghettoized in state packys, it should be easier to buy! It's UNFAIR I tell you, UNFAIR!

That's why Oaf and his buddy acted like complete jerks, they had unrealistic expectations.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

86. Wait, what? Maybe that's the part of this that sailed past me.

Do the Carolinas card EVERYONE, not just people who look like they might be under 21?

That might explain a bit to those of us in the north who don't expect to get carded when we're in our 40s or 50s...

[Scruffy Rumbler]

110. NYS 50 years old....

carded every time for the purchase of beer, wine and liqueur. It is the law....

[Nine]

114. Ohio cards everyone. (nt)

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

118. I'm in Ohio, and I've been carded maybe

a dozen times in my life, and maybe once since I passed 30. So no, Ohio does not 'card everyone'.

[Nine]

124. My Dad was carded in a store at age 70+.

I've never NOT been carded at a grocery store, at least for well over a decade, and I'm over 40.

Restaurants are another matter. But I was talking about stores.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

125. I'm talking about stores too.

And I've NEVER been carded in a store in Ohio when buying alcohol in the last 25 years or so since I've been legal. (I was never carded when I was underage, either.) The one time I was carded as a middle age type was a restaurant.

I bought last month, wasn't carded. Heck, the stores here have signs up that say 'If you look like you're under (25 or 26? not sure which) prepare to be carded.

Maybe the people in your town are just really uptight about it.

[Nine]

126. Maybe. I'm in Columbus area. (nt)

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

127. I'm down in Middletown

down between Cincy and Dayton. If they're SUPPOSED to be carding everyone, they're not doing it down here where Boehner and Portman come from...

[Skip Intro]

164. He did not like being told no, that's for sure.

Probably wouldn't have pissed me off as much as it did had he not been so damn rude and intimidating to the woman working there. Still, if you're going to whine about how horrible this place is that you've decided to come to, maybe you ought to think about going back to the place you liked better, you know?

[blue neen]

12. Not sure where the dude was from.

Probably wasn't PA, because you can't buy beer in convenience stores in Pennsylvania.

He sounds like just another idiot.

[CreekDog]

22. interesting question you raise

you say the guy is an idiot because he's from Pennsylvania and he doesn't even know how hard it is to buy beer there.

i say, that sounds pretty unlikely. i think the guy doesn't exist.

[kelliekat44]

28. O ntuch!!!

[Skip Intro]

27. He said he was from PA several times. Over and over. As if demanding some

special recognition.

He may have been an idiot, couldn't ascertain that.

But he was a rude jerk.

[blue neen]

35. Sometimes it's hard to ignore people who are that ignorant and rude.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't let the guy get under your skin...sometimes easier said than done, though.

People like him exist everywhere, unfortunately.

[AnalystInParadise]

37. Dude you insulted a northerner

The Southern Bashing Squad will not abide an attack on one of theirs, know your place Confederate.

Hopefully the sarcasm tag is not needed.

[djean111]

13. About 28 years ago I transferred from Illinois to North Carolina in order to keep my job.

I am originally from Philly.
The folks in Illinois actually made fun of my Philly accent.
My first day at work in NC, my cubicle mate, born in NC, told me a joke.

Why does South Carolina have more black people (he used the usual nasty word, actually) and North Carolina have more Yankees?
Because South Carolina got to pick first.
Also smugly told me, six months later, when we both applied for the same job in a different department, that I would not get the job because I was a Yankee and I was female. I got the job.

Anyway, all geographical regions have assholes.
Left NC after two years, transferred to Tampa, I did not like the politics and overt racism. Although a black woman I worked with in NC told me that at least people were open about racism in the South, up North she felt they were just sneakier about it.

[Terra Alta]

16. I work in a big box retail store

and when a group of young people come up with beer, or any kind of alcohol, I'm required to ask everyone in the group for their ID. If not, I could lose my job and have to pay a big fine, too.

There are rude people and jerks in every state and region of the country, no place is immune.

[Rhythm]

104. I've gotten assortments of invectives hurled at me by college guys from everywhere...

Last edited Mon May 5, 2014, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Because the law in WV required me to 'card' all of them when together they would bring up quantities of cases of beer, but only one claimed he was paying...

Some of the pissed-off frat-boys were from Jersey... some from Georgia... or wherever...
All were right-rude jackasses who thought that somehow i could simply throw out state law and look the other way.

Fuck 'em.
All.

It's not a 'northern' thing...
or a 'southern' thing...
It's an asshole thing.

[Electric Monk]

18. It's not a bash the north thread, but fuck northerners lack of respect and manners, etc.

Classy as usual, Skip. Alerted on yourself lately?

[Skip Intro]

25. Yes, fuck anyone's lack of respect, common courtesy and manners. Fuck rude assholes

who demand the rules be changed for them and curse at some poor older woman working in a fucking convenience store for a living. Yes, that is correct.

I understand you side with the abusive jerk.

That doesn't surprise me.

[Electric Monk]

32. I do not side with the abusive jerk teenagers. I side against your OP's disingenuousness. nt

[HangOnKids]

43. Drinking time?

I'm still trying to discern about the "her" in the picture.

[Electric Monk]

57. That was their excuse for that CjeekDgg thang, too, wasn't it... Not much of an excuse, really...

[Skip Intro]

170. Faded Meta stars are sad.

By the way, EM, with your note to jurors in your sig line (lol), it wasn't me who was asked by one of the admin to stop using his name in posts, which he termed "witch hunts." That was you he singled out for special recognition.

[Electric Monk]

172. Because I'd quoted directly what he'd said about one gun troll and made a list of others.

I remember it well, but I'm surprised you like to bring it up because we both know what his comment about the banned gun troll was. I'm surprised he tolerates so many of you for as long as he does before serving the pizza.

[Skip Intro]

174. I'm sure you do remember it well, EM, who wouldn't remember the

admin telling you NOT to use his name in your "witch hunt" posts. I'm sure you remember that like a kick to the groin.

[Electric Monk]

177. You mischaracterize, like usual. He didn't say I was wrong, he just asked I not use his name.

Want something to do? Mourn for one of your buddy's latest PPRs http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=313180&sub=trans

[Skip Intro]

178. Sad. How many other lies do you whisper to yourself, Electric Monk?

He called your posts "witch hunts" and told you stop using his name to justify them. It wasn't friendly, it was a condemnation of your posts and a demand you disassociate them from him.

As I said, and you've proven, faded Meta stars are a sad, sad lot.

[Electric Monk]

179. "I like CjeekDgg". I win. ok, I'm done with you, good bye. nt

[Skip Intro]

182. Rofl.

Evidently another thing about those sad faded meta stars - they can dish out the bullshit, but they can't take the truth...

bye electric monk, say hi again when you want another dose of reality

[CreekDog]

187. the thread you wrote about me in Meta and your self alerting of that thread...

that doesn't just go away. there are screen caps of it (i don't have them, but others had sent them to me a while back).

the self alerting of that thread by you and the claim by you that you didn't do it was funny, but still completely dishonest.

and it made many of us doubt your sincere intentions on every post and thread since then, and not unreasonably.

[Skip Intro]

190. If they sent them to you, you should have them, CreekDog. (d'oh!)

Post them.

You've been whining about being called out for your incessant personal attacks for two years. That OP was 100% right on. I don't have anything to hide. Post it.

It isn't just me. You have the distinction of having a thread in ATA about you, and your serial personal attacks and disruptions, with the gist of the admin response being, "just ignore CreekDog." (Full quote at link).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595593

Post the screenshots you say you were sent, CreekDog. Go ask whoever sent them to you to send them again if you don't have them. Back up your bullshit for once.

Sad, faded Meta stars...

[Electric Monk]

191. Again with the misrepresentations and lies. You're really going to pretend that never happened?

You even lie about the link you just posted here. Skinner did NOT say "just ignore CreekDog", he wrote "just ignore it" referring to a specific post.

[Skip Intro]

192. No lies or misrepresentations by me.

That is the gist of the post referenced, and I've altered my most to encourage others to read the full quote. "That's not cool" to CreekDog is not quite as severe as you being blasted for your posts and told disassociate them from the admin.

Who do you lingering disrupting personal attackers think you are fooling at this point?

Faded meta stars...

[Electric Monk]

193. Nothing but, from you. nt

[Skip Intro]

194. You have yet to post one real example, Electric Monk.

Just vague accusation and personal attack. The tired meta game you and a couple of others cling to because you ain't got nothing else. Don't get pissed at me for calling you out on your bullshit.

[Electric Monk]

195. I get it now. You're projecting! It starts to make sense, sort of. nt

[Skip Intro]

196. As I said to CreekDog, EM, back up your bullshit. (We all know you won't).

You call me a liar. Back it up. Do it.

Nothing you've posted here has anything to do with the OP. It's just disruptive attack. The same tired shit the vast majority of DU has shunned. And it's all you have.

Sad, faded, transparent meta stars...

[Electric Monk]

197. I can't link to the now closed Meta forum, but there were plenty of witnesses when you got caught

alerting on yourself and pretending the alerts were from some stalker friend of CreekDog's. You were caught totally red handed by the Admins, and I don't know why they didn't just ban you right then and there.

I'm sure Skinner could link to it, if he is so inclined. Shall we petition the admins together to bring back the evidence?

[Skip Intro]

198. Surely you have an example you can link to, Electric Monk.

If I'm spewing lies as you accuse me of, there must be some evidence somewhere, yes?

Post it.

Back up your bullshit and post it.

[CreekDog]

200. Nope I don't have any screenshots

it's you that has screenshots of 5 year old posts of mine.

and you post them frequently.

yes, my comment on the Darwin Awards...

[Skip Intro]

201. Again, CreekDog cannot back up his bullshit when called on it.

Big surprise for...no one.

Sad faded meta stars...

[CreekDog]

204. you're asking me to prove i don't have screenshots lol?

how would that work exactly?

i don't have or save screenshots. perhaps you notice that i never post such things.

i'm not against posting them but it's just not my thing.

[Skip Intro]

214. CreekDog offers more BS to cover prior BS. Again.

CreekDog, you brought up screenshots.

You said they were sent to you. If that is true, then you should have them.

You say you don't have them. Did you delete them? How did you have them, but you don't now?

If they were sent to you, then you must know who sent them. Ask them to send them to you again.

Then post them.

Otherwise you're once again busted for your bullshit. I'm sure few are surprised.

[CreekDog]

215. i deleted them

you're giving me the third degree here over what I did with the screenshots, while you post screenshots of my posts?

you're giving me the third degree here over the screenshots, about a thread you started and 20 minutes later, alerted on hoping to get it locked, while pretending to be someone else?

you're giving me the third degree? that's completely hypocritical.

maybe the reason you're so upset is that you now are thinking someone else might use that thread the way you use screenshots of other's posts.

[Skip Intro]

216. LOL. Sure you deleted them, CreekDog. Sure you did...

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You brought them up, said they were sent to you. It isn't my fault you can't back up what is clearly, to anyone caring enough to read this exchange, another total bullshit episode from you. If you deleted them (nobody's buying that) then ask whoever sent them to you to re-send them.

And then post them and back up your bullshit, for once.

Of course you wont, because you can't, because its all bullshit.

It isn't like you don't have a history of it. You got called out for it in Meta, and you're still bent out of shape two years later. Glad it hit a nerve. Quit being a stalking, personal attacking disruptor, and people will quit calling you out as one. Quit spouting bullshit, and people will quit calling you out on that. Simple.

Meanwhile, this is the result - http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595593#post1

[CreekDog]

217. no, i don't have a history of keeping screencaps

that would be you.

and yes, i did delete them.

if i had them, i'd be sorely tempted to revisit the laugh that ensued when it was revealed that you had alerted on your own OP, you posted your explanation that it was in fact your friend whom you were showing DU to, that had sent the alert and was the one who typed "I like cjeekdgg"...

if you think i could resist posting that and the lulz that followed, you overestimate my will power against the temptation of a cheap laugh.

[Skip Intro]

218. That's bullshit, CreekDog.

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You've been on my ass for longer than that Meta thread has been around. That's what prompted the thread. There wouldn't have been a Meta thread, from me anyway, otherwise. So on that level, you're clearly full of shit. You're stalking, attacking behavior begat that thread.

"Get up, get up, CreekDog," says no one.

You said those screen caps were sent to you, so you had them. Screen caps of me posting terrible things (oh, it would send shivers down your spine!) Oh, I'd be banned forever. But you, in perpetual attack mode, decide to delete them. You, the post diving champ? Please.

If there were screen caps, CreekDog, and they were sent to you, and you did delete them ( ) then you should be able to have them re-sent. Why not do that?

Then post them, and back up your bullshit for once?



(like the fifth time I've asked you to back up your bullshit tonight, CreekDog, probably in the hundreds overall. What's the problem?)

[frazzled]

19. And this is not a bash the South reply

But I'm sure glad y'all got rid of those mini-bottles a few years ago. They were ridiculous. (Disclaimer: I'm married to a native Charlestonian.)

[aikoaiko]

24. The mini-bottles were ridiculous. Glad they are gone.

[Skip Intro]

26. You can still get mini-bottles in liquor stores.

I like them because they make mixing a drink so easy.

Wish I had a couple now, lol.

[blueamy66]

73. I like them cause they're easy to smuggle into sporting events.

That's why we call 'em smugglers.

[Skip Intro]

175. And concerts! n/t

[npk]

189. Hell I was born in the south and I bash it all the time

I never understood regionalism or geographical pride. There are good people in every state, and there shit stains in every state. But I rarely buy alcohol these days so I am lost in this discussion I'm afraid.

[jberryhill]

202. + a zillion

I don't think having been born in any particular place is some sort of remarkable accomplishment.

[aikoaiko]

23. yeah, lots of tourists in the HHI/SAV area south of you this weekend.

Like tourists everywhere, there is a small percentage that are rude.

[1000words]

29. E Pluribus Unum

[Behind the Aegis]

30. Doesn't surprise me.

I attended the University of South Carolina, and it came as a shock to many people the university was an actual university where you had to study. Seems some got the idea that since it was a southern university, it was going to be a joke; they usually didn't come back for sophomore year. When I attended, the number one state represented was South Carolina. Number 2? New Jersey.

[CTyankee]

145. my granddaughter will be attending the College of Charleston in the fall and I was surprised

to learn how popular that school is with kids from MA (where she lives). She is ecstatic as C of C was her first choice. I will be visiting her on Parent's Weekend in September and I can't wait. I remember visiting Charleston many years ago and thinking how lovely it was...

[Behind the Aegis]

147. My best friend's son attends that school.

It is a wonderful school that has really expanded. You'll enjoy the campus.

[CTyankee]

148. She really loved it when she visited. She wants to major in Marine Biology and was impressed

by their environmental studies program.

I hope she is happy there. She has ADHD and has had some tough times in school.

[Behind the Aegis]

149. Make sure she connects with the counseling center and her RA.

Both can be quite valuable should she start having issues with professors and the like.

[CTyankee]

150. I think they know this about her. She wrote about it in her application essay.

It was necessary because it was an explanation why she left her prep school so suddenly last fall.

BTW, I note your star of David so I'd like to ask if you think a Jewish student would have a problem there, since she is Jewish.

[Behind the Aegis]

153. She shouldn't have any problems with being Jewish.

There are always the yahoos who are bigots, including the ones that blame Jews for anything and everything, but for the most part, Charleston is pretty cosmopolitan and has a descent sized Jewish community. There is a Hillel there. I couldn't remember, so I looked it up. I went to the University of South Carolina for 7 years (2 degrees, not slow). Savannah also has a good-sized Jewish community and is just a stone's throw away. I heard Columbia's has grown, but I don't know for sure, but it too is very close at only about 1.5 hour away. If she really wants to get her Jewish on, she can pop down to Atlanta...lots of us there! Atlanta is lots of fun too, but tell her it is a VERY large city and there are some VERY dangerous parts, but all in all, there is a bunch to do and fun to be had.

[CTyankee]

155. Oh, good. Also, good that Charleston has a cosmopolitan outlook.

She lives in a suburb of Boston so she is used to some pretty great cultural offerings...

I understand there will be some problems with C of C's new president, but I love that she is going into a situation where she will see civil rights being debated hotly in real time. It will be a wonderful educational time for her...

[Behind the Aegis]

156. If she lives outside of Boston, then she'll have few problems.

Boston is the only Yankee city that I actually like, even after getting caught in an Nor'easter.

Yeah, there are a few issues with the new president, not an unusual thing for SC schools! LOL! I think while I was in SC there were at least 5 scandals with various college/university presidents in the state.

As I recall, humidity in Boston can be bad, but it ain't nothing like Southern humidity! Tell her to pay close attention to the humidity because she can easily get dehydrated and sick. It's how we could distinguish some of our northern students. Oh, and don't forget the Palmetto bugs...think big ass cockroaches that FLY!

[CTyankee]

159. OY!

well, she's a kid, right? She'll be fine. Us oldsters shudder to think, but she'll just get a little pissed and move on...ah, youth...

As for Yankee cities, I am in New Haven and I love living here. I am actually from the South, as were all my people. I left to go to school in the NE and never went back to live. I just like it better here (just not the weather).

[Make7]

31. Oliver North is an asshole. I'll fucking bash him - I don't give a shit what anybody says. ( n/t )

[Electric Monk]

33. That I can agree with wholeheartedly!

[freshwest]

51. Please tell me that's not photoshopped! The guy was born to be hanged. The tag looks good on him.n/t

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[Electric Monk]

53. Um, you didn't know? Iran-Contra and all that, remember? It's a real photo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North#Iran.E2.80.93Contra_affair

[freshwest]

62. Oh. I watched all the hearings. He was arrested, but did no time. Never saw the pic, though...

It's about as meaningful in the long run, anyway, as the mugshot of that crook Tom DeLay, who also did no time. The Family as described in an OP here, is too heavily involved in government and business and North is one of theirs.

[eShirl]

64. noooo

born to be hanged. "hung" means something else entirely that I'd rather not think about in connection with someone like him

[MADem]

69. That term can be modified by "well" or "POORLY" you know! nt

[freshwest]

70. I prefer the past tense and harsher term, hung. Now about the other. No interest in chickenhawks.

[MADem]

74. I think the reference wasn't to the form of capital punishment...

...it was a reference to the physical trait noted in the HBO tv series!!

Thus, the well/poorly business!

[freshwest]

76. Oh, I got all the references... n/t

[freshwest]

77. Okay, I edited! Good idea. n/t

[Arugula Latte]

121. And Kim Kardashian gave her baby a stupid name -- North West.

[Skittles]

34. LOL, *THAT* is your complaint?

hoo boy, the stories I could tell you, living in the south

[GoCubsGo]

134. LOL! Me, too! n/t

[cali]

36. I live in Vermont and everyone knows everyone's name at the local

general store. When I go out for a walk, everyone driving by waves, whether they know you or not. That's just small town life- not indigenous solely to the South. I've never understood the stuff about how southerners are so much friendlier and more neighborly than northerners. this winter when a woman in the village was having a really hard time and people found out that she was burning her kitchen cabinets to stay warm, people did something. the grange bought her a cell phone and minutes. Other people made sure that she and her family had food (until she could get food stamps) and people brought her firewood.

We don't have the thing of people from another region moving here- winters tend to keep people from doing that, but I don't think that it's northerners who are a problem where you are- and anyway, Maryland is hardly "the north". It's just people moving to a region and acting arrogantly- wherever it is they're moving from.

[HangOnKids]

38. Two guys are at the counter but the clerk says it is against the law for her to do it?

Who is the her? LOL. Crazy epic fail.

[Skip Intro]

39. What? Everyone else seems to get it. What don't you get? n/t

[HangOnKids]

40. 2 guys are buying beer, and the woman comes into the exchange at the end, why is the clerk

talking about her?

[Skip Intro]

45. What?!

2 guys are trying to buy beer, one is an asshole who can't get over the fact that being from PA doesn't grant him special license, and becomes abusive toward the older female clerk. The woman who came in as he was leaving had no interaction with the clerk. The clerk just stated the law to him and stood there while this goon went off on her for a minute, until he took a look around the place at the rest of us there and decided it was time to go.

If that's over your head, there's little I can do about it.

[HangOnKids]

46. Here is YOUR quote

"The clerk says that ain't happening, as it's against the law for her to do it." So who is the her Skip?

[Skip Intro]

50. She's the clerk, HOK.

Wow.

[CreekDog]

49. being from PA, he'd fully expect tough ID requirements

and even having to go to gov't run state stores in many cases.

[CreekDog]

47. because the crux of your story is how much easier it is to get alcohol in PA w/o ID

your story should've been about a state where such a statement was actually plausible, not one with some of the most regulated liquor sales and stores in the country.

oops.

[whistler162]

112. Some of us are waiting for a translation or explanation of

why SC bans people from PA buying beer!

[Skip Intro]

167. lol. No grand conspiracy to keep PAers from buying beer. Just a low-wage worker

trying to do her job.

[pinboy3niner]

41. It's not possible to form an opinion on this...

...without knowing what kind of beer it was. I mean c'mon--some beers are worth more of a fuss than others.

[CreekDog]

99. couldn't have been Yuengling

can't bash that stuff!

[Treant]

42. This is not a bash the South reply

Don't feel the need to visit PA on our account. We'll get by, and our collective IQ is already pretty low.

[Skip Intro]

48. When I do I won't be a jerk, to older women or anyone else.

I won't berate another person for doing their job. I'll be polite and respect those I meet. Despite the fact that you say your state's "collective IQ is already pretty low."

[Treant]

56. Whoosh. --EOM

[CreekDog]

58. Hi Skip, nice PUMA you got there

that is awesome.

[Skip Intro]

59. Yes. It is my favorite gif. What does that have to do with the OP? n/t

[NuttyFluffers]

61. just hand the beer to the guy with ID and walk outside.

what's the problem? why can you not sell the beer that way?

stupid liquor blue laws are definitely worth complaining about. i even have problems with the needless restrictions on alcohol in california, like the bar cuts off between, 2am to 6am.

[backwoodsbob]

75. which town?

looking to move to Goose Creek when I move back

[Skip Intro]

199. I like Goose Creek.

Up 52 towards Moncks Corner is nice, as is up 176 toward Carnes Crossroads. Lot of nice areas in GC.

I'm a little hesitant to be too specific on where I'm living online, but I've lived in the area all my life.

North Charleston is kinda rough, but Charleston, Mount Pleasant, Summerville, Hanahan and Goose Creek offer lots of nice areas.

Feel free to PM me if I can help in any way.

[backwoodsbob]

206. thanks

lived in Summerville for a year and a half before her mom got sick and we had to move back to Virginia....nice but Summerville is kinda pricey...that is why I am looking more towards Goose Creek or Moncks Corner

[B Calm]

78. I don't get it. .

She (the clerk) won't sell the beer to the guy with the ID because he didn't carry it to the counter?

[RandiFan1290]

79. Cool story, bro!

I like the Cliven Bundy moment, as well! "Try it, asshole!" lol
Are you sure you didn't think, "Make my day" or "Do you feel lucky, punk?"

Cool stories!

[Scootaloo]

80. All you Easterners are crazy

Wandering around wearing belt buckles on your heads and giving a shit where someone lives in relation to Virginia. Shit. I'll take the prospect of waking up thirty feet under the Pacific one day over any of that, anytime

[WinkyDink]

88. I believe it's the other way around, given the OP's title. Oh, and we don't raise rebel flags.

[doxydad]

81. Assholes are everwhere...

...geography has nothing to do with it. I live in a northern State and we are surrounded by people who have been married 4 times.....and still have the same in-laws. So there.

[Exposethefrauds]

83. OK, NP, Yes I will and do stay away from the South and I hope you do the same and stay out of the

North too, which I know is harder for Southerners to do seeing we have all the good schools and jobs and a much better quality of life, see y'all would not even exist if it were not for Uppity Yankee Generosity, which if it were up to me I would stop ASAP, and make the Southern States pull their own weight for once.

Y'all need the North much more then we need you, never forget that when y'all go a hating on your betters.

This isn't Southern bashing this is just stating a simple fact of life.

[morningfog]

85. The south has some stupid and antiquated laws, especially when it comes to alcohol.

[B Calm]

89. Apparently, I don't get it. The guy who was purchasing

the alcohol couldn't show his ID because he didn't carry it up to the clerk? The whole story sounds silly to me.

[morningfog]

115. That is what happened, as I understand it.

I have seen that happen when I have been in the south. Some store won't even sell to a person is a minor is with them looking.

[WinkyDink]

87. Excuse me, but I'M from PA, and that guy was flat-out LYING. I have to show my 64-yr-old ID in any

non-State store (e.g., Wegman's) when buying alcohol.

[Mariana]

186. I think there is definitely some lying going on. nt.

[jberryhill]

203. Buying beer in PA is an ordeal

I've done it in the past, but I'll be damned if I can recall all the gyrations you have to go through to buy beer in PA.

[WinkyDink]

207. It's almost always that one must buy a case minimum.

[Inkfreak]

90. It's not hard to imagine there are rude people all over.

Some in this very thread of yours. Trolling just to troll. You have fans.

I was on vacation a few years ago and forgot about the "no booze till noon on Sunday" law in NC I went up to the register and the woman looked at me like I was a zoo animal. I had my ID ready and she explained to me she couldn't sell it. I laughed it off, explained I was from NY and put it back. I was all over the south while in the Army and totally forgot that lil law.

Plus we'd buy it in surplus the day before... Just in case we were gonna continue the party.

[treestar]

95. Reminds me of a Southern friend I have who posts

every black on white crime story he can find. He is not implying that black people commit more crimes and are always attacking white people either. He's just publicizing each one incident he can find.

[Orrex]

97. I saw the whole thing

After lying to the cashier, that confounded northerner wiped his ass with the Confederate flag, mooned the nearby statue of Robert E. Lee, and spoke disparagingly of grits.

I declare!

[Bluenorthwest]

98. These 'North v South' OP's are in fact all about life Back East, where insanity rules.

Of course, of the 29 States that have legal discrimination in housing and employment against LGBT people, not all of them are in the South, but every last Southern State is one of the 29.
Southerners do not like to be reminded of that, and do not want to do a thing about it.

[HockeyMom]

100. I've never been carded for cigarettes in the South

We drive up from Florida to NY several times a year. I do buy cigarettes at gas stations in SC because they are cheap. In and out, no questions asked.

I HAVE been carded the very few times I ever buy them in NY (too expensive). I said to the clerk, "My dear young man, I am old enough to not just be your Mother, but your GRANDMA". I smiled at him and then said as I handed him my ID, "But thank you so much for the compliment that I look under 25 years old." Everyone on that line started laughing. The clerk blushed.

[mindem]

101. Sounds great to me.

I'll take you up on your offer.

[Javaman]

102. ...

really?

news flash: whether you are from the north, south, east, west, up, down or sideways, being an "asshole" is an equal opportunity vocation.

[pipi_k]

109. OTOH...

A few years back the son of a family friend was stationed in TX with the USAF. He married a girl down there (and I do mean to use the word "girl"!) and then soon after got transferred back up here to Mass for a bit.

Well!

This GIRL was either raised badly, or too damned young to understand you don't come up to an area where your spouse was born and raised, add his friends and relatives to your Facebook page, then proceed to INSULT the area and its people.

Since they came up late summer, her hubby brought her (proudly) to our regional fair (runs for a few weeks each year). She immediately bashed it, saying that the ones in Texas were bigger and better.

The food is better. The roads are better. The people are better. etc., etc., etc.

It was like that for months, her whining about being here in the frozen tundra of New England, and her family and friends in TX actually telling her she should leave her husband and "come back home".

One day she said something so crappy that I thought her hubby's entire family would actually buy her a bus ticket back home to her beloved fucking Texas. Forgot what prompted the comment, but she ended up saying back to whoever it was that New England was "full of loud-mouthed Italians". I mean, right on her Facebook page where everyone could see it!

So that is why I referred to her as a "girl" even though she was 21 at the time. From where I sit, no more than a child.


I'm assuming she learned some manners since then (ironic since southerners are always going on about how we northerners have no manners). Haven't been able to see her Facebook posts since she put me on her shitlist for pointing out an error in one of her rants about who has responsibility for the horrible city roads where they were living at the time.

[Populist_Prole]

135. Interesting post, and study of human nature

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As for that girl, I don't know that the startling lack of insight she displays can be attributed to age. I mean, even if someone really is that arrogant, most would know to keep those feelings in check in deference to being poloite, or at least civil. Methinks she's of signifigantly below average intelligence. Her family and friends sound like shitheels as well, and are no doubt responsible for the echo chamber the girl obviously grew up in.

I wonder how that marriage will work out.......................

[pipi_k]

137. So far...

this marriage has lasted longer than his first one did.

The first one's family were all assholes too, and she was a clueless little dope. No kids, fortunately. I don't think it lasted 18 months.


This marriage he's got a year old son now.

Yeah, I'm thinking you're probably right about it not really being an age thing, seeing as how most of the people "back home" seemed to be egging her on...even her family.

[ProSense]

113. Off topic: Both PA and SC have something in common

Asshole Governors/Republicans who refuse to expand Medicaid.

"And I'm thinking, coming close to saying, if you hate it here so damn much, why don't you go the fuck back to where you liked it better? Don't feel like you need to stay on our account. We'll get by. "

Anyone Medicaid eligible under the expansion would fare the same in either state: SOL.

[tabbycat31]

119. As a northerner living in SC right now

I don't mind being carded (I just turned 34). And I've worked in southern states before and am used to the insane liquor laws. Granted I don't drink much (I'm battling food poisoning right now and drinking is the last thing I want to do)

I would definitely not throw a fit if carded.

[hedgehog]

128. This is not a bash the South post -

I live in a little town just outside Syracuse, NY. Tonight I'm in a convenience store I frequent, and these two big guys get to the counter and the clerk asks the guy who was carrying a case of beer for an ID. The other big guy says, "I'm buying the beer, here's my ID." The clerk says that ain't happening, as it's against the law for her to do it. The guy with the ID starts getting rude and whiny. He gave her a hard time for a minute, then he started moving toward the door after he noticed a few of us looking at him like, "try it, asshole."

Lot of customers at that store know that woman by name, and she knows us. This dude still was talking shit about how "he's from Georgia and you don't gotta put up with this kinda shit, and I come up here, and I gotta put up with this kinda shit," (waah fucking wahh for this guy, you know?). The whole time he was slowly walking backwards toward the door and right before he walks out, a woman walks in and hears what he's saying and says something like, "yeah, I'm from Maryland, you just gotta deal with it, its ridiculous up
here."

And I'm thinking, coming close to saying, if you hate it here so damn much, why don't you go the fuck back to where you liked it better? Don't feel like you need to stay on our account. We'll get by.

[Skip Intro]

163. That would be an unlikely coincidence. n/t

[DrewFlorida]

129. Obviously these two people were rude and abusive. As to living in S.C., you could not pay me......

enough money to live in that racist disgusting state. A state that still flies the confederate flag on public property is no state I would have anything to do with! I won't even buy merchandise which is manufactured in South Carolina!
I will spare DU my cuss filled tirade regarding S.C.!

[GoCubsGo]

133. That's really funny coming from someone who lives in Florida.

Pot, meet kettle.

[pipi_k]

139. Don't really know what to say

to that except...

My son and his family (wife, two daughters (12 and 10) moved there this past January from Mass.

They had been going to Myrtle Beach on vacation the last few years and they liked the area. My DIL didn't like the winters up here, so she bought a house online without even seeing it in person first.

Son is just going along because he's tired of dealing with the always wanting to move crap, plus he didn't want his girls to end up moving far away without him.

They live in a little town just SW of Myrtle Beach.

Funny thing is, my older granddaughter was being bullied unmercifully in the school up here, and now has lots and lots of friends. She couldn't be happier. Younger granddaughter is adaptable to just about anything. Little Miss Attitude Girl...she's so cool that way I was really worried about that part of it before they moved down there...would they be ostracized for being "Yankees"? Well, apparently not.

I'm happy for them, but sad for my son, who really really misses his friends up here...many of them he's known for 30 years.

They got their house for a ridiculously low price. Same number of rooms as their house up here, but not as huge. Plus they have a bigger yard and a pool.

I don't much care what flag flies where as long as my family are healthy and happy wherever they are.

[Cali_Democrat]

132. Dude...this is like...such a cool story, bro...

[Blaukraut]

136. Funny, that's how I feel about Southerners who live here in MA and complain

And they do. Too cold, too rude, to many liberals, Kennedy blah blah blah. I guess that well paying high tech job they moved here for isn't quite enough to put up with all that horror we New Englanders inflict on them every day. If they hate it here so much, I wish they'd do us all a favor and go back home. (this is only directed at the assholes, not the majority of transplants who DON'T insult their new home)

[pipi_k]

140. One Southerner who

is absolutely awesome...

My oldest niece, who left Mass 30+ years ago, when she was just a small child, to live in Florida with her family. She had been up a number of times to visit over the years, but that was it.

She was working for a hotel chain the past few years, and about two years ago found out she could be transferred to Mass.

She was absolutely ecstatic!

She loves everything about the area. Has an 11 year old son, and just got married a little over a year ago.

They were living in an apartment to save up money for a house, which they just bought last month.


One "transplant" from the south that rooted well.

[Blaukraut]

141. Smart niece ;)

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My experience with the transplants is pretty much centered around Hanscom AFB, and the contractors and gov. civilians who moved here for the job. I'd have to say that the majority of that group hates Massachusetts, its inhabitants, the weather, and its politics.

[Skip Intro]

161. +100. Exactly what I'm saying. n/t

[Squinch]

138. You pretty much know that poster is trashing the North when they have to title their thread, "This

is not a bash the North thread."

A man was an asshole. He said he's from the North. Your post is ridiculous. You, apparently, are from the South.

I don't think you have proven anything.

[Electric Monk]

142. When someone starts a sentence with "I'm not racist, but..." or "I'm not sexist, but..." (etc)

You know they are.

[Skip Intro]

160. .

I relayed a story about an abusive jerk who evidently hated living here, and my reaction that if he didn't like it here, he's free to go the hell back to wherever things were better for him.

Not trying to prove anything. Never said I was.

[lumberjack_jeff]

144. "I'm not saying X, but...."

The phrase can always safely be ignored, because the topic of conversation is always absolutely X.

[Skip Intro]

157. Never said, "but."

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Kinda funny how some of our more perpetually fauxraged here have tried to twist the OP into something other than what it plainly is. But then again, that's what they do.

[whatthehey]

146. I only scanned the thread, but most people seem to have missed the issue completely

Admittedly this is a hearsay story but, taken verbatim, being asked for id as a matter of course is not what precipitated the complaint at all. In fact it was offered by the customer.

What seems to have precipitated the complaint is that the one of the pair who offered to buy the beer AND present his ID was refused and ID was instead demanded from the person who put it on the counter. I too fail to see why this posed a problem for the cashier. Surely ID is required for PURCHASING alcohol, not putting a case of it on a shelf. So no underage relatives can help their elders shop in SC if alcohol is purchased?

[whatthehey]

210. Neither. Why?

Is the ability to read and understand supposedly limited to SC residents?

[whatthehey]

211. I wondered for a moment if there were some arcane SC law involved.

I checked and it appears not. It's certainly possible there are other perhaps local regs but the main law seems to restrict sales thusly:

SUBARTICLE 15.

REGULATION OF RETAIL DEALERS

SECTION 61-6-1500. Restrictions upon retail dealers.

(A) A retail dealer may not:

(1) sell, barter, exchange, give, or offer for sale, barter, or exchange, or permit the sale, barter, exchange, or gift, of alcoholic liquors without regard to the size of the container:

(a) between the hours of 7:00 p.m. and 9:00 a.m.;

(b) for consumption on the premises;

(c) to a person under twenty-one years of age;

(d) to an intoxicated person; or

(e) to a mentally incompetent person;

all perfectly reasonable, and all perfectly met by the man in the story who offered to pay and supply ID. I wasn't there, and it's more than likely he was indeed rude and unreasonable when refused service. He was however, also right in that as written there was no need to refuse service to him in the first place, barring facts not in the original story.

[Aerows]

154. I'm a Southerner

Always have lived within a stones throw of the Gulf of Mexico. Except for that time in Tuscon, which was awesome.

We are not ignorant, Mississippi alone has more authors than you can shake a stick at. We are not racists, we have a large population of folks that are of all creeds, races and heritages. We are not unproductive, since we provide everything that the breadbasket of the west does, and we don't complain about doing so.

That said, we have ignorant people here. We have racist assholes here. We have lazy SOB's here.

And we have gorgeous azaleas here, which you probably don't have. We also rarely have snow (last winter was hellatious and a one off), great food, and polite people. You have great food and polite people and a shitload of snow.

I love Democrats no matter where they live. We are in good company no matter where we are .

[Jenoch]

158. It has been my experience that when someone writes,

"This is not a bash (fill in the blank here) thread." The next words are just that, bashing (fill in blank here).

[Tommy_Carcetti]

162. I'll bash the North all I want.

Douchebag.

[HuckleB]

171. DU Clearly Need A Soap Opera/Silly Dramas Discussion Forum.

[Purveyor]

205. Perhaps. Real 'news' items get scant comments. eom

[XRubicon]

176. Hey maybe you can get this guy to narrate your post!

I do love drama.

[ms liberty]

180. Mr liberty was in a store once, and had a similar encounter...

The woman was complaining about how much better something was done up north, and how these people down here should do it their way...he looked her in the eye and said if she liked the way things were done up north, then when she left the parking lot she should follow the sign for 77 marked north. She didn't much like it, but all the locals within earshot did.

[NoGOPZone]

181. regardless of where i lived or visited

I've encountered "I had it better back home" whiners. I would think that attempting to secure alcohol would tend to bring that out.

Also, your intent may or may not have been intended to encourage bashing, but several people are seizing the opportunity

[CreekDog]

185. considering you always accuse me of "bashing the South"...

while I've never written anything about the South like what you wrote in this OP about the North.

even though it was nonsense that I ever bashed the South, you just lost any and all cause to say without hypocrisy that anyone bashed the South, because you're here posting a questionable story to make Northerners sound like a stereotype.

and I have no skin in this game, I'm not from the Northeast and I have many happy memories of both the South and the North.

[McCamy Taylor]

208. I'm from Texas, and I would never suggest that anyone "go back to where you liked it better".

Is the author really from South Carolina? The proper response to any disagreement is a big (sometimes false smile) and "Have a nice day!" Refusing to participate in a silly argument drives the Yankees wild!

[Amaril]

212. Even better..........

......if you can work a "Well, bless your heart!" in there as well.

[msanthrope]

213. Sounds like he was from the part of PA we call "Pennsyltucky." I hate South-bashing threads. nt

[RetroLounge]

219. Is this the fiction writing forum?

RL