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struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)
Mon May 5, 2014, 12:54 AM May 2014

What Do Guns Say?

By PATRICK BLANCHFIELD
May 4, 2014, 6:00 pm

Earlier this month, in Bunkerville, Nev., representatives of the Bureau of Land Management withdrew from a tense standoff with supporters of Cliven Bundy, a rancher who owes the federal government over $1 million in unpaid fees for allowing his cattle to graze on public land. The hundreds of self-appointed militia and “states’ rights” activists who flocked to support Bundy, many in full tactical gear and openly carrying assault rifles, blockaded a federal interstate and trained their weapons on B.L.M. employees who sought to negotiate with the rancher and his family. Fearful of a pitched gun battle, the B.L.M. departed, leaving Bundy and his supporters to celebrate, emboldened, with a barbecue ...

On one level, the affair in Bunkerville can be seen as a vestige of Old West range-war mentality, opportunistically remixed with overtones of the militia movements of the early 1990s and an identity-politics firestorm that’s very 2014. But as a transaction between the state and citizens decided not by rule of law, nor by vote or debate, but rather by the simple presence of arms, Bunkerville is deeply troubling. Guns publicly brandished by private individuals decided the outcome. For all Bundy’s appeals to constitutional justification, what mattered at the end of the day was who was willing to take the threat of gunplay the furthest.

Bunkerville is simply the next step in a trend that has been ramping up for some time. Since the election of Barack Obama, guns have appeared in the public square in a way unprecedented since the turbulent 1960s and ’70s — carried alongside signs and on their own since before the Tea Party elections, in a growing phenomenon of “open carry” rallies organized by groups like the Modern American Revolution and OpenCarry.org, and in the efforts by gun rights activists to carry assault weapons into the Capitol buildings in New Mexico and Texas ... According to open carry advocates, their presence in public space represents more than just an expression of their Second Amendment rights, it’s a statement, an “educational,” communicative act — in short, an exercise of their First Amendment freedom of speech ...

But what does it mean, in a democracy that enshrines freedom of speech, to publicly carry a gun as an expression of political dissent? Toting a weapon in a demonstration changes the stakes, transforming a protest from just another heated transaction in the marketplace of ideas into something else entirely. It’s bringing a gun to an idea-fight, gesturing as close as possible to outright violence while still technically remaining within the domain of speech. Like a military “show of force,” this gesture stays on the near side of an actual declaration of war while remaining indisputably hostile. The commitment to civil disagreement is merely provisional: I feel so strongly about this issue, the gun says, that if I don’t get my way, I am willing to kill for it. As Mao understood, the formal niceties of political persuasion are underwritten by the very real threat of harm. “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” ...



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Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
1. In this case, a gun said, "I is takin' mah country back for the white man...
Mon May 5, 2014, 02:32 AM
May 2014

....as I use wimen folk for a human shield."

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
2. That 'Might Makes Right,' or in this case, 'White Makes Right.' Obama's into 'Right Makes Might.'
Mon May 5, 2014, 03:02 AM
May 2014
The Koch media machine is bearing disturbing fruit.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
3. "What does it mean" ??
Mon May 5, 2014, 03:12 AM
May 2014

"But what does it mean, in a democracy that enshrines freedom of speech, to publicly carry a gun as an expression of political dissent?"

I find it interesting the author is not asking this about the government. We just accept them having arms at all times is normal. That we can't carry bottled onto a plane but armed government employees are just fine.

We fear our government and see their abuses of power from wars to corruption with police and politicians in general. But we are seen as the boogey man (and women of course). Carrying a trinket into an airport? Probably a terrorists. Let's read your emails, track your calls, wipe out your privacy. And let's do it while armed and when not armed have armed people around us protecting us.

But a few lowly citizens show up armed to something and suddenly now people are worried? Why, of course, because we have been conditioned to fear each other. Unless we are employed by the government. Then it magically changes. One minute you are beast who could snap at any second, flash a gov id and you become the handsome prince.

People will say 'but if you aren't a normal citizen and work for the government it means you are responsible and accountable' well, we are all accountable and I don't really see a lot of folks in government being responsible.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
11. The Bundy showdown kind of fucked up your Evil Government vs. Saintly Citizens model.
Mon May 5, 2014, 12:18 PM
May 2014

That may be the only positive thing to come out of the whole sorry incident.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. How this plays out for those involved is going to be important IMO
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:09 AM
May 2014

An important aspect of civil disobedience is the willingness to accept the consequences of your actions. It is those consequences and the public response to them that determines the actual impact of the disobedience. The judge and jury of those taking up weapons for this 'cause' will be the public.

If Fox News' lies and distortions carry the day through prosecution of those involved I think it's safe to say we're in for trouble.

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