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bigtree

(85,998 posts)
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:57 PM May 2014

Snowden docs never disappoint



Matthew Keys ?@MatthewKeysLive 7m
New Snowden docs reveal Microsoft colluded with FBI to circumvent its own encryption - pic.twitter.com/2wAqhWNj29




Matthew Keys ?@MatthewKeysLive 12m
"NSA is now able to access a broad range of Facebook data via surveillance and search activities" - pic.twitter.com/TWU1J8z7O2
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Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. It is so comforting to know
Tue May 13, 2014, 05:07 PM
May 2014

that you can't get harmed while in his strong embrace, but that you can't go anywhere without him. I always wanted a big brother that followed me into the bathroom, knew who I was having sex with, how much money I made, and wait, no, I never wanted that.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
13. Dated July of last year, the Guardian one. wtf.
Tue May 13, 2014, 03:48 PM
May 2014

I think there is a lot of physiological game play here, and it's working on far too many. Like the GOP repeating lies till they become believed, this is along the same kind of disinformation and manipulation.

Quite disturbing.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
8. I would be outraged if they didn't do it
Tue May 13, 2014, 03:22 PM
May 2014

I expect our government to be ever vigilant in their protection of our country and our citizens. Social media, cell phones etc. used by international gangs who are either terrorist organizations or just wannabe's need to be monitored and hopefully rooted out.

Does anyone honestly believe that the FBI/CIA or whoever is interested in your Facebook posts or any other chats? They don't want to see the baby, graduation, wedding, vacation, honeymoon, etc. etc. photos you post either, altho if you send nudies they may take a peek to brighten their day or have a laugh.

If you're one of the crazies threatening lives of those you don't like or agree with then I sure hope they're watching.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
10. at the level they're collecting data there shouldn't be a shooting... bombing or even a speeding
Tue May 13, 2014, 03:29 PM
May 2014

... ticket.

For what we're getting out of them relative to what's going into these organizations we're getting a raw deal IMHO

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
11. the NSA is using facebook to hack into U.S. citizen's computers
Tue May 13, 2014, 03:41 PM
May 2014

This just in from the Edward Snowden vault of government secrets: The National Security Agency is breaking into "potentially millions of computers worldwide" and infecting them with malware "implants" as part of an effort that is increasingly relying on automated systems and not human oversight, according to a First Look Media report published Wednesday.

"In some cases the NSA has masqueraded as a fake Facebook server, using the social-media site as a launching pad to infect a target's computer and exfiltrate files from a hard drive," First Look reported on Glenn Greenwald's Intercept channel, citing a classified slide presentation from 2009. "In others, it has sent out spam emails laced with the malware, which can be tailored to covertly record audio from a computer's microphone and take snapshots with its webcam. The hacking systems have also enabled the NSA to launch cyberattacks by corrupting and disrupting file downloads or denying access to websites."

"If this report is accurate, the NSA is acting like a spambot," said Harley Geiger, senior counsel at the Center for Democracy & Technology. "The use of malware implants should be targeted against specific threats in tightly controlled situations, but this kind of mass automated surveillance would put countless Internet users at risk."


http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/the-nsa-is-using-facebook-to-hack-into-your-computer-20140312

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
9. Even if a quarter of what is being released is true then the NSA needs to be reviewed as
Tue May 13, 2014, 03:27 PM
May 2014

... an organization.

They've gone a little too stupid..

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. On the infinite paranoia of tyrants that employ "total information awareness" techniques
Tue May 13, 2014, 04:42 PM
May 2014
Robert Anton Wilson on “national security” and the empedoclean knot infinite regress

National Security, in practice, must always fall short of the logically Empedoclean infinite regress it requires for perfect “security.” In the gap between the ideal of “One Nation under surveillance with wire taps and urine tests for all.” and the strictly limited real situation of finite resources and finite funding, there is ample encouragement for paranoias of all sorts to flourish, both among the citizens and among the police...

...In spying-and-hiding transactions, worry leads to more worry and suspicion leads to more suspicion. The very act of participating, however unwillingly, in the secret police game – even as victim, or citizen being monitored – will eventually produce all the classic symptoms of clinical paranoia....

...If there is a secret police at all, in any nation, every branch and department of government, and institutions which are not even admitted parts of government, becomes suspect in the eyes of the cautious and intelligent people as a possible front for, or tunnel to, the secret police. That is, the more shrewd will recognize that something bearing the label of HEW or even International Silicon and Pencil might actually be the CIA or NSA in disguise....

...The more omnipresent the secret police, the more likely it is the intelligent men and women will regard the government with fear and loathing.

The government, on discovering that growing numbers of citizens regard it with fear and loathing, will increase the size and powers of the secret police, to protect itself. The infinite regress again appears.


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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
16. A couple of more on the same topic.
Tue May 13, 2014, 04:51 PM
May 2014
A popular government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy, or perhaps both. James Madison

Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.
Thomas Jefferson




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