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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Sun May 25, 2014, 12:42 AM May 2014

What Piketty misses in his critique of capitalism:the imbalance of power between capital and labor

http://inthesetimes.com/article/16722/taking_on_capital_without_marx

why does this trend towards greater inequality over time occur? From his data (spiced up with some neat literary allusions to Jane Austen and Balzac) he derives a mathematical law to explain what happens: the ever-increasing accumulation of wealth on the part of the famous one percent (a term popularized thanks of course to the “Occupy” movement) is due to the simple fact that the rate of return on capital (r) always exceeds the rate of growth of income (g). This, says Piketty, is and always has been “the central contradiction” of capital.

But a statistical regularity of this sort hardly constitutes an adequate explanation, let alone a law. So what forces produce and sustain such a contradiction? Piketty does not say. The law is the law and that is that. Marx would obviously have attributed the existence of such a law to the imbalance of power between capital and labor. And that explanation still holds water. The steady decline in labor’s share of national income since the 1970s derived from the declining political and economic power of labor as capital mobilized technologies, unemployment, off-shoring and anti-labor politics (such as those of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan) to crush all opposition. As Alan Budd, an economic advisor to Margaret Thatcher confessed in an unguarded moment, anti-inflation policies of the 1980s turned out to be “a very good way to raise unemployment, and raising unemployment was an extremely desirable way of reducing the strength of the working classes…what was engineered there in Marxist terms was a crisis of capitalism which recreated a reserve army of labour and has allowed capitalists to make high profits ever since.” The disparity in remuneration between average workers and CEO’s stood at around thirty to one in 1970. It now is well above three hundred to one and in the case of McDonalds about 1200 to one.

But in Volume 2 of Marx’s Capital (which Piketty also has not read even as he cheerfully dismisses it) Marx pointed out that capital’s penchant for driving wages down would at some point restrict the capacity of the market to absorb capital’s product. Henry Ford recognized this dilemma long ago when he mandated the $5 eight-hour day for his workers in order, he said, to boost consumer demand. Many thought that lack of effective demand underpinned the Great Depression of the 1930s. This inspired Keynesian expansionary policies after World War II and resulted in some reductions in inequalities of incomes (though not so much of wealth) in the midst of strong demand-led growth. But this solution rested on the relative empowerment of labor and the construction of the “social state” (Piketty’s term) funded by progressive taxation. “All told,” he writes, “over the period 1932-1980, nearly half a century, the top federal income tax in the United States averaged 81 percent.” And this did not in any way dampen growth (another piece of Piketty’s evidence that rebuts right wing beliefs).

By the end of the 1960s it became clear to many capitalists that they needed to do something about the excessive power of labor. Hence the demotion of Keynes from the pantheon of respectable economists, the switch to the supply side thinking of Milton Friedman, the crusade to stabilize if not reduce taxation, to deconstruct the social state and to discipline the forces of labor. After 1980 top tax rates came down and capital gains – a major source of income for the ultra-wealthy – were taxed at a much lower rate in the US, hugely boosting the flow of wealth to the top one percent. But the impact on growth, Piketty shows, was negligible. So “trickle down” of benefits from the rich to the rest (another right wing favorite belief) does not work. None of this was dictated by any mathematical law. It was all about politics.
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What Piketty misses in his critique of capitalism:the imbalance of power between capital and labor (Original Post) HomerRamone May 2014 OP
I think I stumbled onto the reason why unions struggle nowadays. House of Roberts May 2014 #1
I don't think so JayhawkSD May 2014 #2
OK. House of Roberts May 2014 #3
What? JayhawkSD May 2014 #10
Maybe I didn't express myself well enough. House of Roberts May 2014 #11
I will set you straight on that right now JayhawkSD May 2014 #15
So, you don't think citizens should 'petition the Government for a redress of grievances'? House of Roberts May 2014 #17
#2 is hogwash Major Nikon May 2014 #13
Neither of you mention having been union members. JayhawkSD May 2014 #14
Lenin and Trotsky knew this phenomena as the "Labor bureaucracy"........ socialist_n_TN May 2014 #16
This is a crux conflict, isn't it? Chan790 May 2014 #18
The key is for the membership to watch the leadership like a hawk AND....... socialist_n_TN May 2014 #19
Or for unions to be like the grocery union... JayhawkSD May 2014 #20
I'm no fan of the labor bureaucracy. However, that said..... socialist_n_TN May 2014 #21
I'm not certain that I concede your point JayhawkSD May 2014 #22
I can't say for sure Leme May 2014 #4
"rate of return on capital (r) always exceeds the rate of growth of income (g)" ... LooseWilly May 2014 #5
just discussing Leme May 2014 #6
A democracy should be able to correct vast income inequality... Peace Patriot May 2014 #7
I used to hammer away on computerized election fraud HomerRamone May 2014 #8
I think a few places have gone back to older methods Leme May 2014 #12
K & R Raksha May 2014 #9

House of Roberts

(5,171 posts)
1. I think I stumbled onto the reason why unions struggle nowadays.
Sun May 25, 2014, 01:04 AM
May 2014

The Reich has been able to foster a 'chip on the shoulder' attitude among just enough workers, that they are 'exceptional', and deserve more than their peers, and that management will recognize and reward that 'exceptionalism'. That's why it's difficult to get these workers to join unions. Then they get older, and their capabilities wane, and, too late, they 'get it', but by then, they are replaced by younger, 'exceptionalists', and the cycle repeats.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
2. I don't think so
Sun May 25, 2014, 01:30 AM
May 2014

Unions have been emasculated by two things:
1. Laws at federal and state level which have slanted the playing field against them and in favor of business.
2. The union leadership lust for power which led them to become overly active in fields of endeavor, mostly politics, which alienated the workers.

House of Roberts

(5,171 posts)
3. OK.
Sun May 25, 2014, 01:42 AM
May 2014

If union leadership ignored politics, why wouldn't the 'federal and state level' laws get even worse?

It was the split between the highly competent and the older, somewhat less competent , that was exploited by the union busters. Most of these 'exceptionalists' never saw the benefit of a union, without older relatives who were protected from being discarded, until they themselves were discarded. They didn't listen when the older workers said, 'I've been forty, but you haven't been sixty. Yet."

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
10. What?
Sun May 25, 2014, 04:27 PM
May 2014
"If union leadership ignored politics, why wouldn't the 'federal and state level' laws get even worse?"

Actually, it would get better. The more influence that "special interests" wield in governance, the worse that governance is going to be. Labor leardershi is a "special interest," and its influence in governance is corrosive.

"It was the split between the highly competent and the older, somewhat less competent..."

Why are older people less competent or, conversely, why are younger people more competent? Younger people always think they are more competent, but thay seldom actually are. Wisdom comes with age and is pretty much never the product of youth.

I have no idea what the rest of that paragraph means. It sounds like gibberish. Can you try to clarify it for this 70-year-old? You will have to use small words, since I am one of the "older, somewhat less competent" group which you disparage.

House of Roberts

(5,171 posts)
11. Maybe I didn't express myself well enough.
Sun May 25, 2014, 05:31 PM
May 2014
Labor leardershi is a "special interest," and its influence in governance is corrosive.

I don't see you disparaging any other 'special interests', just labor. Is that all you disagree with?

I'm 57, and I know I can't do what I could at 40. At 40, I was experienced enough, with 24 years in my trade, to do any job on the shop floor. I consider myself 'somewhat less competent' now. I did use the ages 40 and 60 in my response.

The 'gibberish' referred to folks who didn't see the good side of unions because they never had a parent, uncle or aunt, or grandparent who benefitted from a union, probably because of 'right to work cheap laws'. These are the ones who get a chip on their shoulder about their jobs. They never realize until they get old themselves how, without unions, companies just cut loose the older workers because they can get by with the younger ones. They're also the ones that think only of themselves and can't be counted on in a team work environment.
 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
15. I will set you straight on that right now
Mon May 26, 2014, 01:33 AM
May 2014

I oppose all special interests. Just because I oppose one by name does not mean that I support all of the ones I did not name. Where did you learn logic?

House of Roberts

(5,171 posts)
17. So, you don't think citizens should 'petition the Government for a redress of grievances'?
Mon May 26, 2014, 09:31 AM
May 2014

A right provided in the first amendment?

Because 'capital' will certainly do it, whether labor does it or not.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. #2 is hogwash
Mon May 26, 2014, 12:52 AM
May 2014

Unions identify with Democrats out of necessity because the right is cutting their throats. It has a lot more to do with survival than any "lust for power" myth you are propagating. See "right-to-work" laws or other right wing union busting initiatives for further reading.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
14. Neither of you mention having been union members.
Mon May 26, 2014, 01:30 AM
May 2014

And I realize that neither did I, so let me set that straight. I was a member of the IBEW for eight years until a change of jobs led to me being a member of the Teamsters for ten years. I stood on a picket line with an axe handle in my hand and faced down armed troops, so I know whereof I speak.

What we resented was union leaders who were paid salaries with money we paid in dues, wore $1000 suits, and hobnobbed with politicians and business leaders, making deals that benefited them rather than us. We resented having our dues money spent on political contributions for crooked politicians when we had no say in how it was spent. Eventually, since we could not get rid of the crooked union leaders without getting rid of the unions, we voted to decertify the unions. So when I talk about "union leadership lust for power," that is not some vague fucking theory, that is personal experience.

We didn't think we were "exceptional" and we didn't think we "deserved more than our peers" as "we got older." We were fed up with being ripped off by crooked union leaders in cahoots with crooked politicians.

You say, Major Nikon, that "the right is cutting their throats," but after saying that if any union needed him he would be on the picket line with him, where was Obama when the unions in Wisconsin needed him? Where was the national Democratic Party? Where were all of the Democrats of national standing? They were absent and invisible, so don't talk to me about how the right is treating unions with some sanctimonious implication that the left is any better.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
16. Lenin and Trotsky knew this phenomena as the "Labor bureaucracy"........
Mon May 26, 2014, 09:21 AM
May 2014

The bureaucratic union elite that made their living as a parasite on the body of the unions and whose real job was NOT working for the members, but was to defuse tensions and betray the working class to the bosses.

And if you think of Obama and all Democrats as "the left", then you have a very limited conception of what "the left" actually IS. When it comes to a left that actually WILL stand up for members, you have to go to the anti-capitalist left and then farther still. After all the Dems have ALWAYS claimed to be a political party that stood for the workers AND the owners. How can you support both sides in a zero-sum game like the class war?

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
18. This is a crux conflict, isn't it?
Mon May 26, 2014, 10:03 AM
May 2014
The bureaucratic union elite that made their living as a parasite on the body of the unions and whose real job was NOT working for the members, but was to defuse tensions and betray the working class to the bosses.

If union leadership by its very nature is often corrupt, and if leaderless movements are in-viable (They are, I don't think that's disputable at this point. We're not all Spartacus; we're mostly centurions. The largest and most effective leaderless movement in history was Occupy and they couldn't even agree on a platform of aims.) then how do we achieve anything?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
19. The key is for the membership to watch the leadership like a hawk AND.......
Mon May 26, 2014, 02:23 PM
May 2014

for procedures to be put into and kept in place for the IMMEDIATE recallability of any "leader" who oversteps. It's not an easy thing to do, but governing, even in a traditional sense isn't either.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
20. Or for unions to be like the grocery union...
Mon May 26, 2014, 08:33 PM
May 2014

...and make sure that their leaders remain workers. See my post here.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
21. I'm no fan of the labor bureaucracy. However, that said.....
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:59 AM
May 2014

there are times and unions that are big enough to need full time representation. Another way to control the bureaucracy in these instances is to pay the full timers ONLY THE AVERAGE WAGE OF THE WORKERS. Same for politicians too. Pay THEM only the AVERAGE wage of the workers in their representative area. This would mean that SOME workers (approximately half) would actually make MORE than the union rep OR the political rep. That would keep out the ones who are only doing it for the money.

I also like the ILWU model. You only get two consecutive terms at two years each term. Then you have to retire from leadership for a term.

Basically, there are ways to at least, control the union bureaucrats. Still nothing is perfect, but with some of these reforms in place the representation would be BETTER than what it is now.

BTW the local shop stewards in the Boilermakers back when I was one were set up like the grocery union example. We had one Chief Steward who was full time, but the rest of us, the area stewards, only worked union business when we were needed. Otherwise, we were just workers. That IS a good model when practical.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
22. I'm not certain that I concede your point
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:13 AM
May 2014

that unions can ever be big enough to need full time representation, but your solutions for the event that they do become that big work pretty well for me so I won't argue the point. We are of like mind.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
4. I can't say for sure
Sun May 25, 2014, 01:57 AM
May 2014

but I think unions are included as part of labor... just not separated out.
I mean in the sense that unions can lower the availability of workers/lower production per worker
Religions could do the same thing
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Capital has different factors also I think.

LooseWilly

(4,477 posts)
5. "rate of return on capital (r) always exceeds the rate of growth of income (g)" ...
Sun May 25, 2014, 02:33 AM
May 2014

Are we expected to understand that "income" refers to ... wages? Wages of labor, specifically?

If so... then the accumulation of wealth by the "one percent" is clearly ... and beyond clearly, explained in Capital vol. 1 - the wages paid to workers, over time, adjusts to the costs of the means of subsistence, while the balance of the value of the labor-power purchased by the "one percent" is pocketed by them as "surplus-value"... and that surplus-value accumulates with every turnover cycle of the production process of... whatever branch of industry one is speaking of.

The imbalance of power you seem to be referring to, however, doesn't precisely correspond to the inequality of wealth accumulation... it contributes toward the downward pressure on the wages considered "sufficient for the means of subsistence" by workers when they decide whether or not to show up to shitty jobs... which does thereby affect the distribution of the value created by "purchased" labor-power between the wages paid (variable capital advanced) and the profits (eventually) pocketed by the "one percent" (surplus-value retained by capital)...

The fact to keep in mind, however, when considering the topic of accumulation of capital is the fact that, no matter what, there will always be "surplus-value" to be had for the "one percent" capitalist bosses from every single worker they pay wages to... because, if there weren't then they wouldn't pay the wages (or they wouldn't be "one percent" capitalist bosses).

No capitalist enterprise, entrepreneurial wonder-shop, or self-owned business can exist, and be "capitalist" except that there is some surplus value over and above the wages paid to workers that should accumulate to the owners... and that accumulation is, therefore, inevitable given a capitalist system... and any system of taxation must leave some element of that accumulation intact or, in a capitalist system, that enterprise, or whatever, will cease to be worth the effort (as those profits are the only concern of a capitalist system, and whether a boss is producing spaceships or horseshit fertilizer is of no import, as long as a profit is generated).

All that said, I think it's a mistake to think that the imbalance of power is the issue to focus on... rather than the system itself...

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
6. just discussing
Sun May 25, 2014, 03:07 AM
May 2014

well, Capital makes errors... some lose money. Capital tried to make the Panama Canal might be an example the first time it tried.
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And when Capital controls the taxation, the % of accumulation changes.
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Accumulation, maximum accumulation, guaranteed accumulation (government intervention? )might all fit the model...but each is different

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
7. A democracy should be able to correct vast income inequality...
Sun May 25, 2014, 04:35 AM
May 2014

...through political action of the majority that is being underpaid, robbed and improverished. Example: the New Deal.

Why isn't our democracy doing this now?

Believe me, it is the electronic voting machines spread like a plague all over the U.S. between 2002 and 2004, run on 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that the public is forbidden to review--owned and controlled largely (70%) by one, private, far rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S, which bought out Diebold--and with half the states doing NO AUDIT AT ALL (NO comparison of ballots to machine totals) and the other half doing only a miserably inadequate 1% audit.

The 0.01% started robbing us, and dismantling the New Deal, in the Reagan era, largely by means of news manipulation by the corporate press monopolies and big money invading politics. The corporate press was already very corrupt at that point, and, for instance, failed to investigate--and even assisted--the Reagan treason on the Iran hostage situation during the 1980 election (against Jimmy Carter). With Reagan in office, the 1% dismantled the progressive tax and the rich started getting richer; Savings and Loan institutions were deregulated and looted (millions of small savers robbed); the air traffic controllers' union was busted (harbinger of an all-out attack on labor's power); and countries in this hemisphere that established good (representative, democratic, leftist) governments were viciously, viciously attacked--with massacres and assassinations--in collusion with local fascists. The fawning corporate press PROTECTED--even idolized--Reagan through all of this (and still does!).

Corporations were meanwhile destroying our communities with Big Box stores, fast foods, more freeways and other evils--shattering the very core of America--destroying small farmers, and polluting the Earth to the point that we may well lose the Earth and all human life. And they were planning "globalization"--the destruction of all sovereign peoples' power everywhere, including here--the sovereign peoples' power to create common good programs like Social Security and universal health care; the sovereign peoples' power to protect labor and to foster upward mobility; the sovereign peoples' power to protect the environment, to insist on fair taxation, or to abandon villainous programs like the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs" or other wars. All of these things are now decided by multinational corporations including multinational arms dealers, not by sovereign peoples (except in Latin America, where people are smartening up fast).

In the decades during and since Reagan, the 1% gained sufficient power, a) to install the junior Bush in office in 2000 (Gore actually won) for the final looting, and b) even more importantly, to then install a vote-rigging system that would expand their power beyond the ability of our democracy to reform itself.

What they're doing NOW is cleaning up; FINISHING this long term, complete robbery. The rigged voting system was the FINAL barricade against reform, literally like a moat around a castle, with all the wealth hoarded into a few hands and the voting machines guaranteeing that no one who does not serve the rich can get elected.

Yes, you now have to have a million dollars--for starters--even to think about running for Congress. But there are precedents of rich politicians serving the poor and the good of the country, FDR being the prime example. So that isn't really the heart of the problem--the money. The problem is that no FDR could be elected today. ES&S would simply not permit it. They have the system LOCKED DOWN.

We do need to ask who controls ES&S. Did you know that the current Sec of Defense, Chuck Hagel, started that company, and that his first senate election was 'counted' by that company, with no paper trail whatsoever? I'd start there, to figure out who controls ES&S, and thus controls almost every election result in the U.S.

But, most of all, we need to get rid of these machines, and start counting our votes again in the PUBLIC VENUE--as a first step back toward democracy--toward a system that can reform itself.

Public vote counting is not a panacea. But it is an essential first step to solving all the other problems. And there is no more egregious example of the Corporatization of country than corporate-controlled vote counting. We must end that control. We must!

HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
8. I used to hammer away on computerized election fraud
Sun May 25, 2014, 08:38 AM
May 2014

but most of us that did so got no traction, especially with the "progressive" Obama being allowed electoral victories (if almost no legislative ones), and were regarded as conspiracy nuts. I thank you for bringing this up again; most of us have pretty much given up...

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