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[otohara]

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[NutmegYankee]

1. I know bleach works.

I've never had a bad reaction to roundup myself. I prefer to use the Ortho green bottle poison ivy killer, as I had a huge pile of the stuff and have all but eliminated it in the last two years.

But bleach will kill most weeds. I use it on this obnoxious weed that spreads in a patch with low broad leaves and little yellow flowers.

[Drahthaardogs]

2. roundup or glyphosate does not do that.

It does not readily volatilize either like a 2 4d ester. I think you are safe.

[MohRokTah]

3. There is the remote possibility this is an allergic reaction.

You cannot dismiss that possibility.

[Drahthaardogs]

6. I will bet my life that 7 hours later there is no atmospheric glyphosate

Windows can be safely opened.

[KT2000]

15. one of the breakdown products

of Roundup is formaldehyde.
I happen to experience closing of my throat, pain in the jaw and increased salivation from exposure to roundup.

Roundup was only recently tested with all of its ingredients. What we know about the product was based on studies of glyphosate only.
Also - other manufacturers are making their version of roundup - some of which cause an even worse reaction.

Please don't advise on a health situation like this. People can have severe reactions to products that were made to kill. Best to err on the side of caution.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

28. Feel free to bet your own.

Don't bet other people's for them.

[NV Whino]

4. Yes.

You need the extra strength version of vinegar, acidic acid. It works on broad leaf plants like dandelions, but on stuff like poison oak or blackberries that spread with runners, it won't kill the runners. Works best on young plants early in the year.

Be advised that the word "acid" is in there for a reason. Wear gloves, protect your eyes and don't breathe it. And yes, acidic acid is used in film developing, too.

I get it at the farm supply store. Don't know if Loews or someplace similar carries the stuff.

[NutmegYankee]

7. Acetic acid

Vinegar is 5% Acetic acid.

[NV Whino]

11. Whoops, spell check didn't catch that one.

[BanzaiBonnie]

33. Agricultural grade vinegar is 20% acteic acid.

Handle ith caution.

[madokie]

25. I get it at the grocery store

its called cleaning vinegar. 6 percent acid

[MohRokTah]

5. If you are reacting to Glyphosate, then take Benadryl.

Glyphosate does not cause the symptoms you describe in humans, so if you are reacting it is most likely an allergic reaction.

Benadryl can relieve such symptoms.

[Lee-Lee]

8. That crap is so toxic I can't believe its still allowed to be sold

Instead we genetically modify our crops so we can spray more

[Cha]

9. You poor thing! "Only Roundup".. bullshit.

Weed-Whacking Herbicide Proves Deadly to Human Cells

"Until now, most health studies have focused on the safety of glyphosate, rather than the mixture of ingredients found in Roundup. But in the new study, scientists found that Roundup’s inert ingredients amplified the toxic effect on human cells—even at concentrations much more diluted than those used on farms and lawns."

MOre..
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/

fucking poisons. So sorry, otohara

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. But but but

That's just some hippie website, might as well be named "WeHateGMO.com"...

(sarcasm, for the snark impaired. That's the same sort of reaction I got the other day when I mentioned that I'd seen a link to a Chinese study that found microRNA from GMO crops was showing up in the cells of the critters eating the food. I was asked for the link, but hadn't thought to save it, but somebody found an article mentioning it along with another study somewhere up in Scandinavia. The pro-Monsanto type claimed I was just making the study up and refused to believe the studies existed simply because A) I told him to go find it himself, since he'd have to do the exact same google searches I would have had to do to find it again, and B) because the article mentioning those two studies was on some pro-environmental website.)

[Cha]

40. Except it's Scientific American.. I thought that would impress the

Science/GMO Rules bunch.

to the Environment and not poisoning it or ourselves, Erich Bloodaxe BSN!

[lostincalifornia]

10. Maybe you should go to a doctor

[emsimon33]

12. Weed-Be Gone using natural ingredients

Weed-Be Gone

1 gallon of vinegar

2 cups Epsom salt

1/2 cup Dawn Dish Soap (the blue original)

It will kill anything that you spray it on. Just mix and spray in the morning after the dew has evaporated. Then walk away. Go back after dinner and the weeds will be all gone.

Cheaper than Roundup and much safer for people and pets.

It works.

[SamKnause]

13. Thanks for posting the "recipe".

My aunt just gave it to my mother.

I will be trying it out on my small farm.

I won't use anything that harms the wildlife.

[Hekate]

38. According to what I'm reading online, it'll kill ALL plants, so be careful what you hit

Inspired by this thread, I went here --> http://www.garden-counselor-lawn-care.com/vinegar-weed-killer.html

I'm going to give it a try on some of the more noxious things, like foxtails in the backyard and some little ferny thing with corkscrew seeds in the front yard. Foxtails are evil around dogs -- and the corkscrew seed thing is just kind of horrifying to think what damage it could do.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

41. If that's true, I need to use some.

I've got a grape vine growing right up along my back patio slab that I simply have not been able to kill off, and was thinking of digging out around the roots and taking an axe to them.

[valerief]

17. Thanks. I'm going to try this! nt

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

19. Does it work on blackberries? I have tried vinegar on Texas Privet and it didn't work

and I have a lot of Texas privet and blackberry I would like to get rid of.

(May I advise, Don't Plant Blackberry, Texas Privet or Agave because you are just making work for yourself, or with the berry and privet, whoever lives in the neighborhood. I also allowed a pear rootstock to live. The goat had gotten out and eaten the graft. Now I have these pear trees coming up everywhere, but they just have little pea sized pears.)

[JoeyT]

20. I think you've got Bradford pears.

I hate those things.

I'd add wisteria to your list of things to never plant because they're impossible to kill.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

21. We planted three Wisteria

Two blue/purple and one white. One of the blue ones died. The rain gutter emptied near it and It may have gotten root rot. I have one that came up from seed and bloomed this year for the first time. Several seeds have come up in pots, but not in the garden. Some grapes have come up in the garden.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

22. Another thing about the pears, we liked how they turned bright red in the fall.

Don't know if I'll like them any more, now that I've been introduced to their name. But thanks for the education.
Lots of Madrone trees have come up under one of the pears.

[emsimon33]

23. I don't know

but the mixture is cheap and at least worth a try

[dem in texas]

14. I got it on me once, really bad

about 20 years ago, I was spraying roundup on a wooded area to get rid of poison ivy and the wind blew it back on me. I got a terrible reaction. I was itching all over, eyes burning, throat burning. I called my doctor and talked with his nurse and she told me to take Benedryl which I did and it helped. I had taken it before for poison ivy which was why I was spraying my yard. After that I never used any type of chemical on my yard or woods again. I started using vinegar on weeds, boiling water for ants and to kill weeds in the sidewalk cracks and plain old digging up stuff. Now I have lightning bugs and Texas horny toads in my yard and in my garden, got some weeds too, but so what. With the water shortage, beautiful green lawns are going to be a thing of the past in Texas.

[otohara]

16. We Just Mow Them

in the back yard we have some viney thing that has pretty blue flowers - so many old trees the ground is lumpy and this stuff likes the shade.

Thanks for all the help everyone, I will take a Benedryl before going to bed.

cough cough

[Crunchy Frog]

18. RoundUp? You mean the Breakfast of Champions?

Or at least that's what some c̶o̶r̶p̶o̶r̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶s̶h̶i̶l̶l̶s̶ science based posters on here would have us believe.

And yes, my mother has successfully used vinegar. But why would you want to when you could experience the ingenuity of Monsanto instead?

[LeftOfWest]

24. Ah yes 'Agent Orange'...

erm...uh....duh...(right wing bs coughing excuses inserted and done now)... 'I mean 'Round Up....'

Agent Orange = Round Up.



Vinegar works GREAT.

[magical thyme]

26. just mow them. everytime you kill so-called "weeds" you are killing or injuring other organisms

People need to get over the "golfing green" concept of a "lawn."

If a "lawn" is mowed frequently, the grasses and clovers will take over.

And dandelions are bee food. We need to feed wild bees, not destroy even more of their habitat.

[demigoddess]

32. how about pulling weeds?

Our neighbors asked how we kept our place so nice. We said we pull the weeds and they did not understand the concept. Now their house is about to be swallowed by the weeds that have grown up because they just go out every year or two and whack them all down. And the weeds come up bigger and taller. They cut down the trees, but the blackberry bushes are growing up the walls of their house, over and under the fence and all over the bushes and trees they have left. All because they don't understand the concept of pulling weeds.

[Victor_c3]

35. That's all I do

I either pull them (if they bother me) or ignore them. If you do a couple here and there, it isn't even that much work. I walk around the yard, drink some beer, and pull some plants up every once in a while.

[magical thyme]

43. wacking them down every year or two doesn't get rid of them

And if they've taken over, pulling them won't do it unless you're able to work at it 24x7 or unless you have only a tiny area to take care of.

Mowing/bushhogging regularly is how to push the weeds back. Grasses are almost all leaf and grow from the top of the leaf. Grass spreads in 2 ways: putting out seed or mowing. Mowing grass encourages it to put out new roots and shoots. Most "weeds" spread by putting out seeds only, and grow from the base. Mowing frequently (before they flower) prevents them from putting out seed and forces their stored energy to be used to grow a new stalk and leaves. So it gives the grass a big competitive edge.

You can restore a completely overrun pasture within a couple years by bushhogging it at critical times.

You can also lose a pasture completely by *not* bushhogging at critical times.

I maintained my pasture for years as long as I had my rider mower to get out and mow mid-spring, and then keeping it mowed to 4" or so. After I sold my mower 3 years ago, I had to rely on hiring somebody to mow for me. But his tractor is too large to come out in mid-spring (while the fields are still too wet and soft) and he refused to come in July or August (when his 1% snowbird clients have returned). By the time he was mowing, it was September and the weeds and brush had already gone to seed.

As a result, after 3 years I've lost half my pasture. So this spring I have weed-wacked like crazy for the last couple weeks to beat the mess back. I can see the grasses making a comeback already. The weeds try to come back, but it takes them longer. So I will continue with the weed wacking all spring and summer, mercifully at a slower pace. Each time I wack the weeds and grass, the grasses get a bigger advantage because they can come back and spread considerably faster than the weeds. Eventually, the grasses themselves will choke off the weeds and my pasture will be restored.

[demigoddess]

44. yes, I know how it works

but these people usually think it is the problem of too many trees. They cut down the trees allow in all the sun, do not pull weeds, just whack at it when it gets too tall. Now they have a yard with blackberry bushes growing as tall as trees and not a blade of grass anywhere.

[maggiesfarmer]

27. <sarcasm>stop smoking your neighbor's grass and you won't have this issue </sarcasm>

[greatlaurel]

30. The reaction may be from whatever carrying agent is in the spray, a lot of herbicides are dissolved

in petroleum distillates. You could have a reaction to Roundup, as well.

I highly recommend boiling water for small patches of weeds, especially in cracks along sidewalks and brickwork. Use a teakettle and it is very safe from spills, too. The hot water cooks the roots and kills the plant permanently. Plus, you are not tracking herbicides into you home from walking on it. Best of all, it is really cheap!

Hope you are feeling much better. Maybe we can convince your neighbors to go a less toxic direction for their lawn and garden care. There are lots of inexpensive remedies. I am experimenting with crushed eggshells for slug control this year.

[jwirr]

31. My dad died of throat cancer. Many blamed it on cigarettes - we blamed it on Roundup and other

chemicals he was not so careful with.

[G_j]

36. are Dandelions and other weeds so bad?

it seems that many neighborhoods require "well kept" lawns, and this is just another part of our obsession with chemicals.

[Hekate]

39. I don't mind most "weeds" -- except those with seeds that can get into a dog's ears and skin.nt

[Liberal Veteran]

46. Common mallow is the worst for me.

I swear the roots on those things stretch all the way to the center of the earth.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

42. That's the danger of the 'HOA'.

(Home owners association.) Thankfully, we're in an older neighbourhood without such, and I happily leave the dandelions for the bees in between lawn mowings.

[demigoddess]

45. grow thick grass

with mulching mower and and pull the weeds and few dandelions. Pull dandelions and you can use the leaves for salad. One thing I did when we moved into our house when the lawn up and died in 2 weeks because they used chemicals and water to keep it green was to overseed with many different kinds of grass seed. In the shady areas the shady grass took over and sunny grass types in the sunny areas. Also we allow the lawn to have a rest during the dry season and then it comes back when the rain comes. If you try to keep it green all year then it has no time to rest.

[Blue_In_AK]

37. Our neighbor behind has been doing the same thing

I have a long-established organic vegetable garden back by the fence. We asked the neighbor not to spray close to the fence, and he agreed. I still worry some of that could leach into my soil though.