Are we really blaming the MRA and not the NRA? YGBFKM

[apples and oranges]

I wouldn't be surprised if the NRA activated sleeper trolls across the web to push this idea. I bet they're laughing their asses off right now. Today, everyone seems to have forgotten what Mr. Martinez said. Here's a reminder.

[Skittles]

1. can't blame them both

NOSIREE

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. I certainly don't see why they can't share the blame.

MRA fostered his hatred of women, and the NRA made sure he had no problems getting the weaponry.

[apples and oranges]

4. Except the NRA has been lost in the discussion

[Skittles]

18. no they haven't

[bettyellen]

20. not at all. there have been tons of threads, in GD of all places...

[treestar]

3. Two different things

Means and motive.

[etherealtruth]

5. I definitely blame the NRA for the proliferation of guns/ gun violence in America

Hate groups such as MRA's (Stormfront and its ilk .... ) certainly have proven to exert undue influence over the deranged and have incited violent acts

[Squinch]

6. Are you really blaming the NRA and not the MRA? YGTBFKM!

WTF? If he had written an anti-Semitic screed, or a racist screed that said how much he wanted to kill those groups, would you be so eager to dismiss anti Semitism or racism?

[etherealtruth]

9. I blame the NRA for the ease of access to and the availability of GUNS

I blame the MRA's for inciting/validating violence toward and the hatred of women.

The two converged at a point (one severely deranged individual) ... and sadly, we see what we got

[Squinch]

11. Yes, exactly. It doesn't need to be one or the other. This need to avoid naming MRA's

as having a hand in this throughout all the threads on this subject is bizarre.

[etherealtruth]

12. Very strange, indeed

[apples and oranges]

10. I'm not dismissing it. Our number one enemy right now is the NRA

Instead of pouncing on them, we're giving them cover? The next potential mass killer might be racist, antisemitic, or misogynist. The only question that matters is: will they be able to purchase firearms?

[LeftyMom]

13. Define "our."

Because I'm a woman and the number one threat to my safety is men who hate women.

[flashbang]

7. We the People...

He has every right to feel the way he does. And I agree that there should be more interest in the people killed by Elliot than there is.

The fact is, the two most powerful lobby groups in our country, last I heard, are the NRA and the ADL.

[951-Riverside]

8. You're not the only one to think this.

Never heard of the "MRA" but we know for damn sure the NRA has made sure thousands of people die each year because of gun violence by making weapons so easily accessible.

As usual the NRA wants you to blame everyone (including a phantom organization) except them. Its called passing the buck.

The "MRA" zombies, their gullible followers and the NRA can all SHOVE IT.

[TDale313]

14. Umm, I blame both.

[KG]

15. i vote 'both'

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Two sides of the same shithead

[ohheckyeah]

17. Mr. Martinez put the blame

where it really belongs - on the lawmakers who sit back wringing their hands and not doing a damn thing. He's right - there's been all of this talk about the shooter, and damn little about the victims. This man lost his only son, a young man of 20. That's outrageous.

We have all of these discussions and arguments after each shooting, but nothing changes. It's fucking pathetic.

[Iggo]

19. Blame both.

[TBF]

21. I have no problem blaming both. nt

[apples and oranges]

23. But most people appear to be insisting on one reason

[NuclearDem]

25. His motivations were based on the MR movement.

His access to the weapons were fueled by the NRA.

Both are to blame, for different reasons.

[TBF]

26. I really don't care what

"most" people think. I've got my own opinions.

[m-lekktor]

22. I blame MRA mostly, the NRA just enables them to be more *efficient*.

sad people want to minimize the misogyny or make it an either/or thing. my fellow males are in some serious DENIAL!

[WinkyDink]

24. Motive and Means.

[mindfulNJ]

27. They are partners in crime

Another vote for "both".

What the heck is going on??? The shooter made it very clear what his motives were for this shooting. Why is this so difficult to understand?

[gollygee]

28. One fed his hate, the other one helped him become armed to act on it

You have created a false dichotomy.

[scruboak]

30. +1. This right here. ^ n/t

[Orrex]

29. THe MRA component, at least in the media's handling of this, is novel

The NRA is an accessory in every shooting, so much so that any discussion of gun violence automatically involves the NRA. This is appropriate and is confirmed by shootings in recent decades.

The MRA component, at least as a visible contributing factor, has seldom if ever been addressed by the media. As such, since this is an unusual element that seems to bear directly on the motive behind the shooting, it's certainly reasonable to shine a spotlight on this aspect of the case.

As has been noted elsewhere, the media points out when a shooter has a racist motivation. It's entirely fitting to highlight Rodger's MRA bigotry as well.