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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFeminists Are Savagely Trolling This 'Masculism' Hashtag on Twitter
The article is from February, but tweets have kicked up again due to recent events.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/INeedMasculismBecause?src=hash
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)was a good idea?
Iggo
(47,558 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)...or people are incredibly stupid.
Using his little manifesto he was able to distract people from his evil acts of cowardliness and turn the debate into Men Vs. Women, Feminism and Misogyny.
In the end it was never about getting laid, picking up women or misogyny.
Elliot Rodger just wanted to kill a bunch of people but knew just doing that would make him look like a monster so he put out the "sob story" and it worked just like it worked for Chris Dorner, no one remembers the young couple Dorner gunned down in a parking garage in Irvine and no one remembers the 2 cops he snuck up on and blew away at a stop light. No, everyone just remembers Dorner as being a frustrated ex-cop who "stuck it to the man" not the cold blooded killer who cowardly snuck up on people and mowed them down.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)...who couldnt possibly fight back because he was a coward.
Its a shame that a large portion of the public is literally taking cowards like Elliot Rodger and Chris Dorner at their word instead of looking at them for being the blood thirsty coward murders that they were.
Again, a dead psychopath killer is literally setting the debate and distracting a large chunk of the population away from his cowardly acts and victims he slaughtered.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)His fucked up views on women are an important part of his pathology. And it is germane to the larger discussion because evidently there are a fair number of other troubled people who feel the same way he did about women. Most of them won't go on a killing spree, but that doesn't make their views of women any more acceptable.
And the population is capable of dealing with multiple issues simultaneously: his cowardly acts, the victims he slaughtered, AND his dangerous views regarding women.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's what I think.
scruboak
(34 posts)This was from a CNN op-ed today:
"Rodger allegedly participated in forums on the site PUAHate, which criticizes Pick-Up Artists not because of their obviously misogynist tactics, but because those tactics didn't work for him and other PUAHate members. The site shut down Saturday morning with the message: "PUAHate is about to get a massive amount of press," according to the watchdog Southern Poverty Law Center.
"After the killings, the extent of misogyny in this community was revealed in the creation of a Facebook page called "Elliot Rodger Is an American Hero," with the advice for everyone to "share your thoughts and pay your respects to Elliot Rodger here. Also, view this final message from our beloved hero," which links to his videotaped rant, with commenters expressing solidarity with his desire for revenge against women. The page has since been taken down.
"The creator of the popular PUA site "Return of Kings" -- where "women and homosexuals are prohibited from commenting" -- claimed, "More people will die unless you give men sexual options." "Manosphere" sites like Return of Kings admire "alpha males," disparage "beta males," and promote hypermasculinity."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/opinion/lindin-misogyny-rodger-killings/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
Why are you having a hard time standing on the right side of this issue?
Why are you directing your anger toward those who are calling out this kind of b.s.?
Why are you deflecting attention away from the very real culture of male violence?
Why are you not standing in front and leading the call for societal change?
Would it help if a man tells you this? Maybe you are having a hard time because you think it's only women who are saying this. It's not. There are men who are actively working to change things. You could be one of them.
http://www.ted.com/talks/jackson_katz_violence_against_women_it_s_a_men_s_issue
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)So savage ....
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)scruboak
(34 posts)"#INeedMasculismBecause I don't understand that stereotypes about men are the products of patriarchy, not feminism."
That right there pretty much sums up the whole MRA argument in a nutshell.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)If anything positive could come from this it could be the realization that our gender definitions are ridiculous for both men AND women. It is so pervasive and the more media you are exposed to--and the younger you are, the more intense that immersion is--the more difficult it is to see outside of that construct. If men joined women in trying to break this terrible mould, then we could really get somewhere. It's amazing that they can't see that the same thing that created the hawt supermodel created the alpha male and that except for a very small percentage, that image does not fit humans. Instead we have photoshop and plastic surgery in order to fit that crazy ideal. It's sick thinking.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)i don't understand the difference between centuries of systematic oppression and times of petty annoyance
^THIS^