Question: If someone were to refer to President Obama as a "butchering hypocrite"....

[Tommy_Carcetti]

....in the context of responding to an ordinary, run-of-the-mill presidential speech, what would be your reaction as a DUer?

And let's say the same person once referred to American liberals as "unprincipled fucktards."

Would you want such a person welcome on this board? (Not Discussionist, but DU).

[grahamhgreen]

1. Don't know, how many dead makes a butcher?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

15. What dead?

You'd need to specify what sorts of deaths you're counting, and even then raw number is probably far from the whole story.

Compare deaths under Obama to under FDR, for example. By number alone, the latter is far more "butchery" than just about any other US president (except maybe Lincoln or Wilson, I guess, although I'm not sure).

[grahamhgreen]

32. Def the atomic bombs may be in the butcher category. One wonders if

we could have got japan to surrender by dropping an a-bomb in an unpopulated area.

The killing of innocents in an illegal war of aggression could count as butchery.

[lostincalifornia]

2. Distorted view of reality

[Journeyman]

3. I'd need to know the context and purpose for the comment first . . .

before I could possibly give answer to such a speculative question.

But then, that'd be my reaction as a thinking adult.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

4. Let's just say in response to an ordinary, run-of-the mill speech. nt

[woo me with science]

14. About what?

You seem reluctant to give context here.

Is he talking about drone slaughters? Is he talking about lecturing other countries about behavior the US engages in with impunity?

I think you would be better off addressing the substance of the argument (if there is one) than trying to eliminate words you don't like.

[bowens43]

5. depends on the issue. is he being a hypocrite? he often is....

[MohRokTah]

6. That sort of statement is made multiple times on DU

So what's your point?

[Sheepshank]

7. trying to decide how to compare that to

"piece of shit used care salesman" and why one statement should be tolerated and supported and other should not?

Tough crowd here.

[snooper2]

8. Well, I like butchers better than used car salesmen....

Might need to think about it for a bit

[pampango]

9. Woud they call FDR (WWII) a "butchering hypocrite" or Truman/Eisenhower (Korea)?

How about Bush or Assad or Gaddafi?

If someone is a pure pacifist and refers to any political leader in any country who uses the military a "butchering hypocrite" that would be acceptable to me. If, OTOH, they used the term on Obama, but not on Assad, Bush or FDR, then they are not a pacifist. That would be a symptom of ODS or perhaps just political opportunism.

[geek tragedy]

29. answer: whatever Russia Today told them to say nt

[GeorgeGist]

10. Whining about DU?

or just life in general?

[kelliekat44]

11. Sticks and stones....... nt

[ancianita]

12. Nope. We don't need uniform opinions, but words approaching slander poison the atmosphere here.

I suppose the context of those words matters...

But I want to read -- and hopefully offer -- progressive ideas and practical solutions to the party's and country's problems.

[NCTraveler]

13. Links for context.

And before commenting, I have never heard of the phrase "butchering hypocrite". Is there any historical significance to that phrase or is it just what the individual decided to type at that moment?

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. This sounds like meta. Did your alert fail?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

17. Actually, these would be off-DU statements. So not Meta.

Just curious how someone's off-DU statements might jive with on-DU perceptions.

[FSogol]

18. Fuck Commondreams and their blame America first agenda.

It should be "enough is enough" time for that crew.

[woo me with science]

19. Commondreams is a respected liberal site, of course.

But it's nice to know the Third Way isn't even pretending to be liberal, or to have anything but contempt for actual liberals, anymore.

[FSogol]

20. Everyone tells me it is respected, but the only crap from there that gets posted here

is wing-nuttery. You Better Believe it!

[woo me with science]

21. Ooh, Third Way smear *plus* the tired Orwell imitation.

War is Peace.
Freedom is Surveillance.
Liberal is wing-nuttery.

The first time a Third Way poster here accused me of being a "Right Winger" because I posted an article criticizing Obama for continuing BUSH policies, I nearly passed out from laughing.

What a sad, desperate joke that schtick has become.

[FSogol]

22. You don't fool anyone. n/t

[woo me with science]

23. I hope you feel better.

I hope you realize that this isn't just a game. You are choosing the wrong side of history. The Democratic Party can't work for the people when there is active defense of its infiltration by corporatists pushing the same policies as Republicans.

I could not participate in that sort of marketing, or repetition of marketing, for policies are destroying a democratic government and pushing millions into poverty and despair. My conscience would not allow it.

[sabrina 1]

26. Well, if everyone tells you something, I guess you are in the minority. It IS a liberal site

but as we all know now, nearly all Liberal authors, journalists, web sites are considered 'wing nuttery' by the Third Way.

They are and always were considered the same thing by the Right and still are. That is enough to give them the credibility they have earned in this Liberal's opinion.

[geek tragedy]

25. This isn't a common dreams article, it's from the twitter feed of a

vile, hateful Russian ethnonationalist who hates the US but poses as a progressive USer.

The kind of person who gets their news from Russia Today as the Cliven Bundy crowd gets their news from Hannity.

[FSogol]

27. That exact term has been used on DU by the common dreams crowd here. n/t

[geek tragedy]

28. common dreams is a pretty disperse crowd

some well meaning and reasonable people, and then there are the ideologically-driven partisans, only they're partisan against the 99% of the country who don't share their views

[geek tragedy]

24. sounds like a bitter-ass Russian ethnonationalist who laps up everything

rt.com spews out and generally hates the United States.

This site would definitely be better off without such a person.

[Iggo]

30. I'd look at it in context and make up my own mind.

[abakan]

31. If you have a link to whatever has you upset...

Post it and see what you get....Otherwise it's unsubstantiated hearsay and of little value to anyone but you.