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[pintobean]

1. K&R

[polly7]

2. Woot! pintobean!

We're going to do great things!

[pintobean]

7. I didn't bother opening that thread

until after I read yours. Meh, ssdd. Some people just have to go on the record as holding the "acceptable" view.

[CreekDog]

132. how are you going to do great things with him?

he almost never posts in favor of anything, not sure how you can base "doing great things" on a platform of mostly complaining about posts in favor of women's equality.

[sabrina 1]

134. Maybe he is for equality for ALL HUMAN beings? I know I am, but then I am a Liberal, we tend to

be a little odd that way, not confining rights to just one segment of society or another. I know, men are evil, they are all rapists, or whatever, they have no problems, their world is perfect!

I admit, I never thought I would ever find common ground with Pinto but if he's for equal rights for all human beings, then I believe we've finally found that common ground.

[CreekDog]

136. so how you do you make men's wages equal to women's?

you're for equality for *men* and women, correct?

[sabrina 1]

178. You elect politicians who care about inequality. Apparently we haven't been doing that since

the issue is hardly even raised anymore.

Eg, here's how it could have been done. In Jan. 2009, a bill prepared prior to the Dems taking control of the WH and Congress, could have been rushed through and signed. Iow, priorities, it should have been at the top of their list, but airc, it wasn't even a thought.

Iow, take a lesson from Republicans who seem to be always prepared to ambush Congress whenever they get the chance. We otoh, are always being told 'it couldn't be done because (fill in all the excuses).

How do you suggest we do it?

[R B Garr]

138. I laughed at that "doing great things" comment and saw it as a slip

that this thread is really a flamebait trap for getting posts hidden, since the stalking doesn't work as reliably anymore.

[pintobean]

160. Who you directed that comment to

is funnier than the comment itself.

[R B Garr]

165. What's even funnier is that sabrina1 called you "Pinto," yet you didn't lecture her

the same way you do another poster on this thread when she calls you pinto or PB.

[pintobean]

166. I didn't notice.

because I see it so often. Someone else made a correction downthread, and I don't have any problem with pb. I wouldn't have a problem with pinto, if there wasn't another DUer with that username. He doesn't get involved in these kinds of threads, and it's unfair to him to have his name associated with them. If someone does a search using his name, these brawls are going to show up in that search. It's not about me; it's about protecting the name of a good man. Some people just don't see that as very important, but I do. Someone who keeps doing it, after being told about it, is being disrespectful to him, not me.

YMMV

[polly7]

150. pintobean posts many things I agree with and he doesn't tolerate bullshit,

something I agree with him on. He's a good friend and a fantastic person.

[CreekDog]

167. i'm sure he's fantastic person, stop dodging the question

what progressive thing has he posted here that you and he are going to bring to the USA?

do you agree with him about Al Gore?

pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 04:16 PM

5. Good ole Al is getting
richer and richer every day from this issue. It's in his best interest to attack skeptics. Pot and kettle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1939470&mesg_id=1939757

and what about the anti immigrant bill in Arizona? want to join him on that?

http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9063344

[pintobean]

170. Very selective, as usual.

How many of my posts did you have to go through for this? Posting a story about the results of a poll on a subject isn't endorsing anything. Neither is discussing the demographics of the poll. Facts are facts. If you don't want to see them, don't look. I also brought the image below to DU. I lifted it off of a Spanish language music blog. DUers seemed to like it quite a bit. It was cropped and resized and used in many sig lines and as avatars. I think that captured my sentiments on SB-1070 much more than posting about a poll.



As to Al Gore, I think you can find a lot of other Democrats who think he's a horrible spokesperson for climate change. I've seen it quite a bit on DU.

[RobertEarl]

3. You just don't get it do you?

This 'Hu-man' rights word you use destroys any good you ever tried to do in your whole life. See the 'man' part?

My advice is to use "Homo sapiens day" in your hair on fire attempt to alleviate catastrophe and stop decline of American Empire.

Or maybe not, what do I know, i'm just a dude.

**********

Note to jury: this is humor. Laugh!!

[LadyHawkAZ]

4. Tsk, Polly

[el_bryanto]

5. You should try harder to make sense.

How exactly are men's rights threatened? The only rights that they are loosing are the rights to run everything and be on the top of the pile. I admit it may be a bit disconcerting to discover that the top of the pile now contains women (and minorities), but surely that's more just than a system where males just have the top to themselves?

Bryant

[polly7]

6. I thought it was fine.

[NuclearDem]

8. Silly strawman is silly.

[polly7]

10. No shit.

Just as 'silly' as minimizing and dismissing the very real concerns of men all over the world to 'MRA whining', as we see here day after day, month after month.

Just as 'silly' as dis-allowing men who ARE disadvantaged due to many, many reasons, no matter what race or sexual orientation, a voice to get support for them, because of more of that 'MRA whining'.

Just as 'silly' as believing giving men who need it support, an audience and compassion and empathy, instead of laughing at them for 'MRA whining' because to allow them those things somehow lessens the gravity of any other group's struggles.

Except those things aren't 'silly', they're disgusting.

MRA's are a hate group, but not all haters exist within groups. Some post divisive bullshit on message boards day after day after day.

[NuclearDem]

13. Unsubstantiated claims are unsubstantiated.

Make a great straw substitute though.

[polly7]

14. Deep. nt.

[opiate69]

15. Mystical even...

[NuclearDem]

23. Thanks, I pride myself on it.

In fact, it's how I realized "Men's rights" is a red herring created by some men to give an air of legitimacy to their childish panic over privilege erosion and the backfiring of centuries of institutionalized misogyny.

Because "we're a-scared women might think they're not obligated to fuck us anymore activism" is a bit wordy.

[polly7]

25. Most certainly that kind of tripe is how people in actual 'Men's Rights Groups' probably

think. However, ascribing it to any and every problem or issue expressed by a man shows a level of dull intellect I can't understand anyone being proud of possessing. Are 'you a-scared that showing a bit of empathy for a man suffering' will make you look weak? As to the 'not obligated to fuck us anymore activism" - I have no idea what you're yammering about, but apparently it's just another attempt to ramp up the gender-wars you seem to be so thrilled over.

[NuclearDem]

29. Takes an equally dull intellect to believe that men's "rights" are under attack.

I have nothing but empathy for men and women who suffer. Pointing out that "men's rights" is a bullshit concept doesn't detract from that.

[polly7]

33. No there's nothing dull-witted about recognizing men have very real concerns that society

does not address adequately in many, many cases.

NOWHERE did I state men's 'rights' were under attack. That is a LIE. I am saying men's concerns are being relegated to humourous little cartoons and explaining them away as MRA bullshit while downplaying, denying and dismissing them.

You can speak for yourself, don't imagine you can speak for me.

[NuclearDem]

89. Um.

NOWHERE did I state men's 'rights' were under attack.

We should have a Human Rights day! - ok, we do already, but let's not include the male species

As an aside, let's play a fun little game! If you were to substitute "the male species" with, say, "the white race", would you still stand by that?

I am saying men's concerns are being relegated to humourous little cartoons and explaining them away as MRA bullshit

No, MRA bullshit is being relegated to humourous little cartoons and explaining away as MRA bullshit.

You've still provided absolutely shit for evidence of that claim, at any rate.

[polly7]

92. You don't think clearly at times, do you? nt.

[NuclearDem]

96. Do you?

I mean, after all, you just claimed you've never complained about lack of attention to men's rights in a thread started by you about a lack of attention to men's rights.

[randys1]

63. i have given up dealing with bible folks on DU, some of them are good folks, now I am giving

up on arguing with gun folks (want to call them gun nuts but what is the point, they will just scream if I do)

but I will NOT give up on the fact that Women and Minorities are still treated like shit by many and especially white, str8t males...

[polly7]

65. And NO ONE, least of all me, has said anything to the contrary. nt.

[Maedhros]

94. Just as 'silly' of keeping you out of my ignore list...[n/t]

[polly7]

98. Thanks, that's an honour. nt.

[BainsBane]

139. Let's see links showing us this dismissal of men's concerns

You insist it's everywhere yet haven't provided a single example as evidence.

[sufrommich]

9. Because everybody knows,if you're for women's rights

you must be against human rights. Also,if you're for affirmative action you must be against white people and if you're for LGBT rights you must be against straight people.

[polly7]

11. Where did you dream that up?

Certainly from nothing I've said.

Strange how some need to twist words and intent to make themselves look better.

I'm a woman, I'm for women's rights. I'm a DV and rape survivor, I'm for victims' rights. I have family and friends of both genders and all sexual orientation who I've seen suffer under inequality, I'm for gay rights. I'm also for the rights of all men who have struggles and issues ....... whether that chaps anyone's ass or not, I couldn't care less.

[sufrommich]

18. Your OP is mocking williampitts OP as if

acknowledging that the MRA movement sucks is a jab at men,of course it's not.Youve made the claim that DUers mocked male DUers personal problems which I've never seen happen and now you've created a straw man argument that somehow the rights of other groups take away from human rights,these are your exact words "human Rights, except for those with a penis day!!!". Your straw man is silly and insulting and meant as an insult.

[polly7]

21. My OP is stating exactly what I meant it to.

I HAVE seen it happen, over and over and over. Just as I saw the same, relentless bullying that drove a good friend to becoming very ill, just as I saw her illness used against her. You might want to ignore the bullshit ........ I can't, and have never been able to. My Dad used to cringe every time he saw a mouse outside, because he knew I wouldn't let him rest until we caught it and moved it to a safe place away from the cats. That's how I am towards humans ... when I see anyone being mistreated, lied about, having their fears and concerns laughed away - it bothers me, a lot! I really couldn't care less how 'silly' you find it. More the power to you for not being able to see, let alone acknowledge and dredge up a bit of compassion and empathy for those it's directed towards.

[Warren DeMontague]

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[polly7]

45. Hmmmm ....

people are seriously hating this concept.

I wonder if it's having to admit that 'everyone' has the same right to have concerns heard and addressed that bothers some so much? I don't understand why dividing and automatically laughing off certain people speaking up about their problems, in a world where everyone is suffering in one way or another (and we all know I'm not talking MRA or any other hate group) as 'whiners' is so comfortable and easy. I've seen it on sites like freepers and the cave, I thought people here had compassion and the ability to empathize and at least try to understand. Who knew that hate and divisiveness was far more popular?! Oh well, you can't win them all. But at least I won that one, alerter.

[opiate69]

12. ...

[CreekDog]

16. males aren't any different species than female

oh well, it's not like your other posts strive for accuracy, why worry about this one?

[polly7]

17. Oh thank you!

I haven't really been interested in any of your other posts ..... let me check if they're accurate or even interesting. BRB ....


Ok, I just did a very quick gander, and ..... sorry they're neither.

[CreekDog]

24. no, i've never said that men and women are different species

you lose this round.

[polly7]

26. No, I read your posts. I'm spot-on. nt.

[CreekDog]

117. You haven't named a post with a single error

Meanwhile your species' error requires me to look no further than this thread.

[polly7]

124. Did you say something? nt.

[CreekDog]

131. i didn't say something false

which puts me ahead of you.

[JI7]

19. is this one of those "why do black people and gays get their own month" ?

[polly7]

22. No. nt.

[Starry Messenger]

28. Yes.

[polly7]

109. No. nt.

[kath]

105. Nailed it.

[polly7]

110. Strike three! nt.

[bettyellen]

137. it's that.....and pretending men who get dismissed for being selfish asses= anything but justified.

[Rex]

27. Totally! It is high time men were given the right to rule the world!

I mean, since recorded history and as we all know...WOMEN have ruled most societies with an iron fist! Creating war and poverty in their wake. Destroying nations and their economies. Killing off the middle class for their own greedy profit...DAM YOU WOMEN HAVE YOU NO SHAME AT ALL!

No doubt the Koch sisters are planning a new way to make us men pay for having a penis! No doubt!

[polly7]

30. Oh good grief.

Exaggerate much?

I am against diminishing the concerns and issues of human being actually hurting by implying they're simply parroting MRA groups.

That's about as simple as I can put it for you.

I have no idea what you think your rant is doing, other than reinforcing my point, but whatever .... I'm glad you got the chance to get it out.

[Rex]

31. My post is just as stupid as your OP.

Guess it rubbed you the wrong way.

[polly7]

36. Not at all! I guess mine bothered you though.

Oh well.

I'm glad you agree that broad-brushing is stupid and does nothing for anyone.

[Rex]

37. LOL!

Really? The "I know you are, but what am I" defense? As lame as your OP but oh well.

[polly7]

40. Do you honestly still play that game? I stopped at about two.

[Rex]

42. Right, you did it right before everyones own eyes...but they must be lying eyes.

Keep trying.

[polly7]

48. You are seriously going to put me to sleep if you don't stop that. nt.

[redqueen]

32. ...

[pintobean]

38. Maude

Still miss her?

[opiate69]

41. !

[polly7]

46. I've said what the hell I'm talking about.

In terms that most adults have understood, even if they haven't agreed - which is fine.

Why do you need Maude to speak for you, didn't she die?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

58. she makes sense to her target audience.

[seabeyond]

70. OMG... i LUV.

look at the little girl. oh. too you. lol. ah ha

the best. that really made me laugh. too cute.

[polly7]

71. That is fucking creepy.

But, who is my target audience?

I've seen many men and women here state the same thing - that every human being on earth (besides those in actual hate groups, something we all agree on) has the right to an audience, compassion and empathy, if not understanding.

[Warren Stupidity]

161. it would appear to be beauty pageant moms and the children they torture.

it is a very limited audience, in many respects. You might consider broadening your message.

[R B Garr]

119. LOL, that's hilarious!! And so true!

Perfect.

[polly7]

122. I see this sort of thing on my little niece's facebook pages.

I don't even think they find it funny anymore.

But, nothing to say about compassion for ALL, regardless of sex, race, sexual orientation?

I thought not, you're more amused by little prepubescent girls strutting their bodies in sexy little outfits.

Perfect. LMAO.

[R B Garr]

133. I guess I don't believe your intentions in starting this thread were really

about the posted subject matter, which is a stretch to make credible as others have already pointed out.

And I doubt your niece has this on her facebook page.

[polly7]

157. Believe what you like.

I posted EXACTLY what I feel, and whether you find it credible or not matters not one single iota to me.

And yes, my nieces have had all those little gifs on their pages. You can also believe that, or not. I doubt it would matter one single bit to them, either.

[R B Garr]

187. You said your niece is 3 y.o. in Will's thread. You said that gif is "creepy" in this thread.

So your 3 yo niece Googles creepy gifs (your words) for her facebook page and no one supervises her?

Uh huh.

[polly7]

188. I have .... just a sec, I have to count them .....

16 nieces (8 brothers and sisters), of all ages, and they're very good on the internet. Yes, some of them stay with me for days at a time, and they're always well supervised. Don't worry yourself too much about my nieces.

[sabrina 1]

179. Is there something you don't agree with regarding all human beings have the same rights?

I get what the OP is saying. And I agree.

[R B Garr]

186. The question is too stupid for words. And I think that's the point.

This thread is not really about human rights.

[polly7]

189. Yes it is about human rights.

For ALL.

I can understand why you don't get it though .... many who don't actually believe certain people should be allowed the same understanding, empathy and compassion really don't believe in equality at all ..... associating certain people with hate groups they've never even participated in every time an issue for them is brought up is just a lot more fun! Some seem to thrive on divisiveness - I don't, I think it's pointless and harms everyone. Get it now?

[sabrina 1]

191. Thank you Polly for your clarity on this issue. Women once again are being USED to divide

people. I'm glad you see that, I do too, and so do more than they would like to believe. I am sick of women being used. I am sick of those who USE women and even more so, of those who allow themselves to be USED.

[sabrina 1]

190. It isn't, how so? Are men not human?

I see the thread as an effort to focus on equal rights for all human beings, without discrimination of ANY kind. What are we seeing differently?

[polly7]

194. Thank you, Sabrina.

I'm a bit in awe how some can turn a simple concept into every ugly thing possible. I have always believed in complete equality for all ... and that includes empathy, compassion, and at least trying to understand where they're coming from. I thought most people did the same.

[sabrina 1]

196. We were very naive, polly. But being online in these forums have introduced me to some pretty

disturbing facts. What I object to MOST is how they USE women for whatever the purpose is, to divide, to keep people fighting, men v women, left v right etc. But I am encouraged that things are changing as more people REALIZE they were being baited and used and while the people fight among each other, the powers behind it all, have not wavered in their goals, most of them caring NOTHING about women, minorities or anything else, except 'how can we use this'.

Equality for everyone SHOULD be the goal, but then there would be no divisions which are very beneficial to those with nefarious intentions.

[one_voice]

192. Indeed! promoting sexualation..

of little girls. It's all the rage among feminist. Start 'em young...

Find gifs with little girls with make up, bare midriff, shaking their...

I think she's dancing to baby got back....

[polly7]

193. I still don't understand why anyone would even post this.

Sexualizng little girls is a big enough problem as it is, why bring these, imo, obscene and offensive gif here? Strange, the things people collect. I wonder how many other places she's posted that at. Do the parents of this little girl know she's being used this way?

[etherealtruth]

34. United Nations Office of the High Commisioner for Human Rights

You can access links to human rights violations in hundreds of countries

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/WelcomePage.aspx

The US came under sharp criticism at the UN human rights committee in Geneva on Thursday for a long list of human rights abuses that included everything from detention without charge at Guantánamo, drone strikes and NSA surveillance, to the death penalty, rampant gun violence and endemic racial inequality.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/13/us-un-human-rights-abuses-nsa-drones

The human rights abuses identified in the USA are not the issues identified by groups loosely recognized as MRA groups ... if they truly were interested in men's (human) rights the issues identified above would be at the top of the list. They are at the top of mine.

Cheapening the discussion of human rights with a post like this is quite sad

[polly7]

39. Cheapening the discussion of ALL human rights, including every race, gender and sexual orientation

by denying they even exist for one groups is sickening, and yes ............. very sad.

[etherealtruth]

44. Then why would you do it?

I realize this has to do with William Pitt's post mocking the plight of the (especially white) male in America ... I am not fond of personality clashes here and have no intention of engaging in personal wars (I neither love nor loathe Wm Pitt) ... but your post appears to diminish true human rights violations here and abroad.

[polly7]

47. I couldn't give two shits which personality brings it up.

Relegating fears and concerns automatically to hate-group whining doesn't sit well with me no matter who does it, or to which group.

Try again.

[etherealtruth]

51. Hey, whatever

You focus your attention wherever you like, I will focus mine on the detention without charge at Guantánamo, drone strikes and NSA surveillance, the death penalty, rampant gun violence and endemic racial inequality

[polly7]

53. Oh, I focus mine on all those things too!!!

My journal is full of all those things I've been concentrating on for years!

I just got fed up with this one thing enough to finally bring it up as an OP just once ...... today.

[pintobean]

43. Hey, you made the greatest page!

[seabeyond]

49. ha. ya, with 1 of the 5 that voted no sometimes means yes. he recs this Op.

about par

[polly7]

50. WTF? nt.

[pintobean]

54. Lists.

Checking them twice, and all that.

[seabeyond]

59. right. cause you are the one praising the 5 rec. rollin eyes... AND lmao

[polly7]

62. Ooooooooh.

[seabeyond]

55. 1 of your 5 rec is the ONLY man that voted on a poll, no sometimes means yes. he likes

your defense of him.






cute.

[polly7]

57. Who gives a fuck who recc'd my thread - I sure as hell don't.

Why do you???

What defense, of who???

[seabeyond]

61. PB

[polly7]

64. Why, what did he do now that I have to defend him? nt.

[pintobean]

69. Where is this poll that I supposedly voted in?

[seabeyond]

74. didnt say you voted. said... 1 of the 5 that had rec this OP, was the only one to vote no means yes.

[pintobean]

76. Following the thread

it sure looks like you're saying it was me. There's no other pb.

[seabeyond]

78. you will have to figure it out Pb. i have said it 3, 4, 5 xs. no. it is not you. did you

vote no means yes, ... sometimes?

i think not

[polly7]

75. God, not that one again.

I GET that, for you, it's all about popularity and who rec's what. I do understand that. Just as I understood the hundreds of recs on a thread outing you for stealing mental health info and hiding for days after pm'ing it around. I wish that meta thread was still here - it showed some REAL compassion and defense of a very good person. I think yours and my idea of defending people are worlds apart. Why would I defend someone for merely recc'ing a thread? Weird.

[seabeyond]

77. no. you do not seem to get it. even though i have said, like 5 xs that PB was the one that brought

recommend up

wowsers.

anymore insults in your post.... i stopped at that wrong "i get that..."

[polly7]

80. Ah .... I really don't care.

Please take your great concern to someone who does.

[seabeyond]

82. nor do i... well. we are in total agreement. who would have guessed

[polly7]

87. LMFAO.

You're the one in a knot over it ffs. Rec's of all the shit to get bent over. Hilarious. And no, you and I will never agree on one, single thing.

[seabeyond]

91. ya. thats it. you asked me a question. i answered you. there is that old knot. for sure.

[polly7]

93. ya. da. nt.

[seabeyond]

95. ya. da. ? lol. ok.

[polly7]

99. Don't you have a safe haven to harvest info from to pass around

and make someone very ill over?

[seabeyond]

100. getting nasty? polly. do not. it really is not worth a hide. really. breathe....

[polly7]

101. I'm breathing fine, but my conscience is clear ... so that helps.

How is pointing out the truth nasty? Was what you did kind, and decent, and nice? No .... it was the ugliest, most cowardly fucking thing I've ever seen on an adult message board. So I'd be careful about calling others 'nasty' for pointing it out.

[seabeyond]

102. ....

[polly7]

106. Funny, heh?!

Not quite so much when you had a post hidden for your gall in demanding an apology from that very same person for 'making you' do such an ugly thing though, was it? I guess you know why some of us now delete very personal things we've posted in safe health havens. And yet here you are .... having a great time over it! What a fucking joke.

[seabeyond]

107. ah polly, really? still? did you need a kick for your Op. lol

[polly7]

108. Nah ...........

I normally try reply to any and all posts to me.

You were demanding that apology just weeks ago, so what exactly are you talking about - still!?! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4814103

[seabeyond]

111. you got the last word. da woman

[polly7]

113. 'da woman'.

I know, you have contempt for any woman who doesn't bow down to cruelty, authoritarianism and who doesn't high-five the ugliness of harming a human being who did nothing but try to help. Guess what - the feeling's mutual.

[jamzrockz]

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[polly7]

145. LOL, another alert lying about what was actually said.

Someone is trying very, very hard.

[Marr]

168. Failed alert.

On Thu May 29, 2014, 10:25 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Don't you have a safe haven to harvest info from to pass around
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5021618

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This entire subthread is one attack on seabeyond after another. There must be about seven attacks one after another.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu May 29, 2014, 10:38 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Obvious personal attack is obvious.
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Explanation: The whole thread is a mess. It'd have been best for most to just have trashed it instead of getting involved.
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Explanation: personal attack
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Explanation: The alerter is correct. The subthread is full of personal attacks. However, the post alerted on was not, standing alone, hideworthy--not even the worst of the subthread-- and I know of mechanism for hiding a post because of an entire subthread. So, I feel that I have no choice but to vote, very reluctantly, to leave it.
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[Rex]

52. Notice that did ya?

Help, help! I am a white man being oppressed by all these women that want what I got!


COME ON SEA! When will your sex let us men rule the world!?! How long do we have to wait!?

[polly7]

56. You must be on the wrong thread, or completely twisting everything

I've said, for some odd reason.

Why do people do that?!?!?

[Rex]

60. ZZZzzzzzzzzZZZzzzz

Nah I nailed this OP for what it is and you just can't stand it. Now off with you...go get your ZZZZzzzzzz since you don't care etc..

[polly7]

66. I just took another pain-killer, I'm good to go!!

You nailed nothing.

[JTFrog]

128. That explains a shit ton. n/t

[polly7]

147. What explains a shit ton?

I choose to have and show compassion, empathy and understanding for all human beings whether I'm on pain-killers or not. So, your explanation may make some sort of sense to you, but it's wrong.

[seabeyond]

67. i didnt notice it until PB was all like.... hey. greatest page. and i was all like, WHA???

anyone rec this? then i had to all like, go up to the top of the Op and see who rec. then i am all like LMFAO.... and ya.

i noticed that. lol.

and i love that boy. i would wrap him up in a hug, to my bosom and coddle him thru his tears. thats my job.

[polly7]

198. Creepy, that you're so affected by who recs a thread.

I just had a look at the names and don't see anything to go 'WHA???' about. All good posters who've impressed me with their intelligence and the empathy and compassion for others I've seen them express. The fact that you LYFAO at them says absolutely nothing new about how you feel about posters here .... and I'm sure none of them give a *.

[seabeyond]

205. really polly. just let it go. this kind of angst

over a game being played, is not worth it.

you.... have a good weekend.

[G_j]

68. also, I just heard it here yesterday

gun regulations deny "millions of Americans" their "civil rights". Who knew??

lots of people suffering...

[polly7]

72. I'm not talking about gun regulations. Did you see anywhere I have?

I'm talking about good, old-fashioned compassion and equal treatment when it comes to human beings being able to voice concerns.

[G_j]

84. no you didn't mention it

I was simply adding to the list of things some people whine about, as opposed to actual human rights.
In that case the term "civil rights' was being hijacked.

[Rex]

73. Yep, my right to shoot and kill someone trumps their right to a peaceful existence.

The things you learn on the Internets.

[polly7]

79. I hate shooting and killing, don't bother bringing that up to me.

It has exactly ZERO to do with the right of human beings who are in no way associated with any hate group of any kind to have fears and concerns addressed like any other? That's quite a stretch!

[Rex]

81. Just commenting on that comment, not everything is about you.

Which people (care to point them out) exactly are fearful that their concerns are not addressed like any other?

[polly7]

85. So you just post meaningless crap for no reason? Got it.

People like my brother, who if he'd told his story here, would have been assaulted with 'MRA hater!!!", or my friends who lost child-custody time, who'd have been hit with the same, or the millions of men struggling and committing suicide in today's economy, and on and on and on. Those who resort to using hate groups to diminish the plight of others really aren't discerning when it comes to actual specifics ........ as long as they can attest that their own plight is worse because of these people, that's all it takes. Sick, isn't it?

[Rex]

88. Who are 'these people'? That is some strange word salad.

So all the men struggling and committing suicide in today's economy are doing so because of feminism? You are all over the road with that one, try again...or maybe that is your best.

[polly7]

90. Your teeny little insults are getting you nowhere, I hope you know that. nt.

[Rex]

97. Please, I am trying to understand your incredibly insincere OP.

If you don't even know how to elaborate on your own topic...well I guess there really is no hope for you at all. Insults? Try looking into the mirror...that is all you've done to anyone that disagrees with you. But carry on, no doubt you have something positive to contribute at some point in the future.

[polly7]

148. WTF are you going on about?

I never said a word about feminists, let alone 'mean feminists'. Do you always make up crap and then try to make some sort of point with your delusions? Glad you're not lecturing anyone on how to post with honesty - you'd fail miserably.

[malaise]

83. Me

but you know that

[polly7]

86. Awww .....

I love you. Malaise!

[malaise]

103. Back at you

[Niceguy1]

104. us bros gotta

Stick together lol

[WilliamPitt]

112. I love the smell of Fail in the evening.

Smells like...victory.

[polly7]

114. better take a shower then, eh william!

Last edited Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)

same with hypocrisy and people trying so hard to make others believe they care for all human beings, when it comes down to it, most of it's bullshit.

[WilliamPitt]

115. Thanks for kicking my thread.

[polly7]

116. Not a problem.

[WilliamPitt]

130. Thanks again.

You're the gift that keeps on giving.

[polly7]

159. Oh, you're very welcome! Always!! nt.

[Skip Intro]

118. Rofl! n/t

[AgingAmerican]

120. Sexist bigotry

nt

[polly7]

123. Look in a mirror.

I'm pointing it out, yes .... but you'd actually have to get past the 'no man can possibly have an issue worth compassion and empathy" - because - MRA!!!!!! The sexist bigotry to ignore any human being because of sex is exactly what you've described. Own it. I don't.

[AgingAmerican]

125. Look in a mirror?

Whose OP is it anyway?

Oh, yeah....yours.

[davidthegnome]

121. The MRA groups are mostly made up of idiots.

When I was in my early twenties, I was very depressed for a variety of reasons. Without going into great detail - as I'm not looking for sympathy here, what I did was start researching Father's rights, Men's rights and so on. What I generally came across were forums full of men ranting about how they hated women - and why, and how terrible they were. Even forums that had been intended to be used to discuss misogyny and slam men - somehow were also taken over by men (one in particular had perhaps 3 female members and 15-20 males).

A lot of it comes down to lonely young men with way too much testosterone and not enough social skills or personal hygiene to get a girlfriend. The problem with MRA groups is that even when they do come up with a valid point, they tend to invalidate it through their hatred, their real intentions, their thinly veiled (or, in some cases, not at all veiled) bigotry. The court system and the bias regarding child custody. The bias that suggests it's okay for a woman to kick a man's ass, that he should shut up and take it like a man, because men are oh so much stronger (bull shit).

If there are rational thinking, decent MRA members out there who are actually interested in equality as opposed to ranting about how much they hate women and why... well, I never met any - and I looked. Now I won't say they don't exist - as they probably do, but I suspect that they are a statistical minority, such a tiny fraction of the whole that their whole movement is run by people who actually do it more harm than good.

With that being said, I agree with you in that the rights of any particular group, religion, gender, race, whatever... that we all should fall somewhere under human rights - and that these rights should be respected.

I'm a member of a privileged group - I am a white male. A white male who works full time for eight bucks an hour with no benefits - and would live in his parents basement if they had one - but lives in one of their upstairs bedrooms instead.

I may be a member of a privileged group, but I don't feel terribly privileged. My life kind of sucks. There are plenty of nights when I can't afford to buy myself dinner.

Does believing that even privileged white males have rights make me a misogynist? I don't think so. But I don't think that there are or should be any rights that are exclusive to me. I don't think that white men deserve the privilege they have held throughout history, or even now. I just wish I didn't get lumped in with all the rich assholes and idiots and tyrants. I'm not one of them.

[AgingAmerican]

126. MRA groups are mainstream Republican

Their memes are GOP talking points. Why is this FACT never mentioned by those who rail against them endlessly on DU?

[bettyellen]

141. It has been pointed out. But there is also a lot of extreme hatred- threats and intimidation too.

It's not lost on women here that their rhetoric is reinforced by the GOP. I have seen dozens of posts about it. Glad you have noticed too!

[redqueen]

127. One thing I had to learn as a feminist who passes for white

is that if it's not about you, it's not about you.

I would get hit with criticisms about white feminists, and I would feel defensive. I wanted to protest that it wasn't me. I am biracial though I can pass. I was raised in a very multicultural family and saw oppression first hand. But most of the time it wasn't about me. When it was, i learned from the criticism. That urge to be defensive is a reflex that you have to let go of. If it does apply to you then it does, and hopefully you'll feel that and do the work to address whatever it is that you need to. We all have that stuff. None of us is expempt.

tl;dr- No one is lumping you in with rich people or idiots or tyrants. If it's not about you, it's not about you.

[ZombieHorde]

129. Rights are rhetorical devices used for persuasion.

Rights obviously aren't a property of matter or energy, or if they are, we have no current way to detect them. People invented the concept of human rights in order to persuade people to behave in a desirable way. Therefore, rights are inspired by undesirable behavior, and they're directed at oppressed groups with the goal of lessening their oppression.

Although many/most individual men suffer from oppression, men as a group are not oppressed.


(I am fairly intoxicated right now, so I hope this makes sense. )

[BainsBane]

135. Way to willfully distort an OP by a well-respected member of DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5018878
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5019802

I also believe a number of men would object to your insistence on conflating them with MRAs.
Just when is it you decided all men were included under the Men's Rights' Movement banner?
I can tell you that the men I know consider that conflation an insult.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5020057

[Tuesday Afternoon]

169. I never thought that I would see the Human Rights issue made fun of on DU.

A world wide effort to ensure that all people be treated decently and fairly with dignity and respect.

Human rights are basic rights and freedoms that all people are entitled to regardless of nationality, sex, national or ethnic origin, race, religion, language, or other status.

Human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life, liberty and freedom of expression; and social, cultural and economic rights including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, and the right to work and receive an education. Human rights are protected and upheld by international and national laws and treaties.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is the foundation of the international system of protection for human rights. It was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on December 10th, 1948. This day is celebrated annually as International Human Rights Day. The 30 articles of the UDHR establish the civil, political, economic, social, and cultural rights of all people. It is a vision for human dignity that transcends political boundaries and authority, committing governments to uphold the fundamental rights of each person. The UDHR helps guide Amnesty International's work.

We also use these principles to help us define human rights and the issues we relentlessly fight for.

more at link:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/human-rights-basics

[redqueen]

176. It's pretty hilarious.

Will made fun of MRAs, so she comes up with this mess.

I guess something had to be said in defense of the poor dears, no matter how nonsensical.


Talk about tipping your hand!

[pintobean]

181. Will's post says "Men's Rights", not MRAs

It's interesting to see who thinks those terms are interchangeable.

[redqueen]

182. It's more interesting to see who pretends not to notice context.

[pintobean]

183. It's an OP. There was no context provided.

Will is a writer. I assume he's capable of getting his point across.

Context seems to be the excuse of the day for you.

[redqueen]

184. Seriously? You can't figure out that the context in which Will posted that is all the other threads?

Many of which are about Men's Rights GROUPS?

And the context for my poll five years ago is...? Can you guess?

Now I'm actually embarrassed for you.

[polly7]

185. It sure is!

And, it's deliberate in many cases. Deceptive, divisive and just plain nasty.

[Waiting For Everyman]

144. Anytime we negate any group's rights, any group's rights can be next.

Equal rights doesn't necessitate downing anybody. So then why is the big put-down being done? It means that there must be some other unstated reason for doing it. Hmm, I wonder what it could be? (Probably has something to do with "divide and conquer" and whoever's interest that might be in -- for instance, the actual power establishment.)

Some of us know better than to replace one power trip with another power trip. No matter what, no matter who doesn't like it (too damn bad! and p.s. to them, please make sure to notice that I rec'd this thread, I wouldn't want you to throw your "stats" off or anything) I'm not siding with any haters, no matter how good they think their reasons are.

Definitely with you, P7! Oh, and

[polly7]

199. I missed this somehow.

That's exactly it .... dividing people with shame and false accusations of being in hate groups - here, on a progressive message board. I don't understand it, and it makes me sad to see the very real and important concerns of some laughed away. YOU rock, and thank you for your comments!

[pacalo]

146. I'd like to propose another gungeon for topics that have worn out their welcome.

My proposal has nothing to do with your OP -- yours is a good-natured, tongue-in-cheek valve release from the monotonous men-are-the-problem & now the if-feminists-aren't-riled-up-enough-please-read-this! threads & I understand too well how boring & tedious they've become.

May as well be watching this for hours:

[polly7]

149. My view as well, pacalo.

I just finally decided today I had HAD it, watching the bullshit and hypocrisy of people crowing how much they care for ALL humanity, when they obviously couldn't give two shits for individuals who they can paint as 'hate-group' members, no matter how far those posters are removed from any kind of hate, organized or not.

Your gif is making me woozy, lol.

[RiffRandell]

162. Lmao!

You are so funny!

[quinnox]

151. Looks like you got some kind of hive worked up. Another alert failed on one of your posts in this

thread. The alert failed by a 5-2 margin. Apparently, you have pissed off a few select duers, and they are alerting like crazy on your posts.

[polly7]

152. LOL, I imagine every single post I've made has been alerted on.

Oh well, what can ya do ....

[quinnox]

153. I wouldn't doubt it, I had to comment after seeing another post referencing a failed alert

I was on the jury, and it was a no-brainer to vote "leave". At least these frivolous alerts aren't passing muster with juries.

[polly7]

155. I have no problem with hides I deserve, if they find one I'm sure they'll get a jury to agree,

and that's fine. Otherwise, I suppose it's good practice for them .... gotta keep that alert finger nimble!

[pacalo]

154. That's the way they roll, polly.

It must be frustrating each time they learn they weren't able to "punish" you.

[polly7]

156. LOL!!!

That gif kills me!!!!

[TDale313]

158. Damn, I miss Unrec.

[scruboak]

163. Nice straw man argument.

No one is arguing that men's rights should be taken away from them, unless those rights include the "right" to rape and murder women and minorities.

[Louisiana1976]

180. Well said. And welcome to DU.

[laundry_queen]

200. Agreed

this post is simply flamebait, dragging from one thread into a new OP etc. This used to be against the rules. Guess not anymore. I'm embarrassed for the OP.

[RiffRandell]

164. I'm in!

No surprise there!

[In_The_Wind]

171. I'm sorta with you ... up to a point.

I want a Human Rights Day for everyone including those with a penis day!!!


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[Tuesday Afternoon]

172. Human Rights Day -

Wednesday, December 10
Human Rights Day 2014

[polly7]

174. As do I, In_The_Wind

I'd love to see it celebrated every day of the year.

I love your cowgirl!!

[In_The_Wind]

175. I agree ... it should be Human Rights Day everyday.

Respect and equality for everyone of us each day.

Thank you. Some of us still like sparkly gifs.
Oh, and cool shoes!

[polly7]

177. I agree, and it's very sad that it isn't, every day.

Love, love! the shoes.

[JohnnyRingo]

195. I must be missing something here.

It's like I took a long nap and awoke to find something important happened. I'm not even sure what an "MRA site" is, and I have a functional penis. I'll Google it.

On edit:
I came back with "Magnetic Resonance Angiogram" and "Motorcycle Roadracing Association", either of which I could be interested in under vastly different circumstances.

[Gman]

197. I just tired of crap that should be in the women's forum in GD

Obviously because a group of women think they need to be in everyone's face about half assed issues that are not issues.

[intaglio]

201. What a load of idiotic twaddle

Do you actually believe this nonsense or are you just blurting out the kneejerk whines of MRA idiots?

No-one is saying that men - even me - should be excluded from Human Rights Day. What is being said and what you consistently ignore is that men do not have the rights they assume are theirs.

They do not have the right to have sex
They do not have the right to tell women how women should feel
They do not have the right to tell women how to dress
They do not have the right to tell women how much to drink
They do not have the right to tell women that they are not at risk of rape
They do not have the right to tell women to smile - even women they know
They do not have the right to tell women what actions a woman can take with that womans own body
They do not have the right to tell women how nasty the "Friend zone" is
They do not have the right to whistle at a woman as she goes past
They do not have the right to be touchy-feely with any woman who has not given her express consent
They do not have the right to slut shame women
They do not have the right to tell women that there is no rape culture
They do not have the right to tell women they are too weak
They do not have the right to tell women they don't understand science or mechanics or anything that used to be a male preserve
They do not have the right to tell women they should be submissive to men because of 2000 year old misogyny

[polly7]

202. 'idiotic twaddle' to pretend everything you've written is

what this thread is about or that people here don't already believe in those rights. Do you REALLY believe anyone here is against those things? I guess it's more fun to pretend and play victim while ignoring the actual point.

I believe accusing people who have real issues of belonging to hate groups and making light of THEIR concerns, for whatever selfish reason, is divisive, and even cruel. Sorry you missed the point .... or maybe you did it on purpose.

[intaglio]

203. No you are trying to defend those who think they are entitled

you are trying to make a false claim on the grounds of some imagined insult.

You, personally, are a part of the problem.