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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNext time you hear about the "fascist coup" in Ukraine, remember this chart
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2014/05/28/next-time-you-hear-about-a-fascist-coup-in-ukraine-remember-this-chart
One line of Kremlin propaganda you hear a lot from Confused Pro-Putin Libertarians and the pseudo-antiwar (but really just anti-Western) left is that there was a fascist coup or right-wing takeover of Ukraine, and that as a result, Putin needed to invade Crimea (and quite possibly other Ukrainian provinces soon) to protect ethnic Russians and Jews from Nazis in Kyiv.
Like the most successful lies, this one has a grain of truth to it: the far-right parties Right Sector and Svoboda did play a role in the protests that toppled pro-Russian autocrat Viktor Yanukovych from power, and they did gain representation in the provisional cabinet that followed his ouster.
But the fact is that there has been no resurgence of fascism in Ukraine (at least, in the parts not controlled by Russian spetsnaz and armed separatists), and the claim that Ukrainian Jews are under threat has been refuted and denied by Ukraines rabbis and Jewish community. As Timothy Snyder pointed out months ago, The prime minister is a liberal conservative, one of the two deputy prime ministers is Jewish, and the governor of the important eastern province of Dnipropetrovsk is the president of the Congress of Ukrainian Jewish Organizations.
Moreover, the protests that drove Ukrainians into the streets were motivated by a desire for liberalism, limited executive power, free trade, and European integration, and against corruption, autocracy, Russian imperialism, and Yanukovychs murderous riot police. Weakening the president, abolishing stormtroopers, new elections, and international integration: not exactly a typical fascist agenda.
Cha
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Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)1. Jobbik receives financial support from Russia: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world-news/hungary-s-far-right-backed-by-rolling-moscow-roubles-1.1034539
2 - From the Voice of Russia: Marine Le Pen lauds Putin, and in turn, United Russia, Putin's party, wishes her well in the election (no, I am not making this up. See below):
The way the Russian leader runs the country demonstrates his commitment to the values of society and the need to recognize these values, the French politician notes.
Earlier, Russias ruling United Russia party wished Marine Le Pens National Front success in the upcoming election to the European Parliament.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_19/EU-wages-Cold-War-on-Russia-against-its-own-interests-Marine-Le-Pen-1351/
baldguy
(36,649 posts)truth2power
(8,219 posts)You'll have to do your own research on it, though.
Nice try.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)And who were the well-armed men in green camo that appeared in Crimea a week after Yanukovych left the country?
malaise
(269,157 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)not their parliamentary elections which are not due for 3 more years.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)still hold some major portfolios in the Ukrainian government. And the invasion forces in southeastern Ukraine seems to largely be made up of "civil activists" (read Right Sector thugs) who've been deputized into the National Guard. Probably because most Ukrainian regular troops didn't seem to want to fire on the citizens in southeastern Ukraine.
I personally don't think that the fascists have a lot of support among the Ukrainian people anyway, even in the west. But they DO seem to have an outsized role in the interim Ukrainian government and especially amongst some of the "defense" positions. And they definitely seemed to have played the major role in the actions that ran Yanukovych out of the country.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)We may have to send in "advisors". just to prevent something horrible.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Now if it were an anti-capitalist grouping that was gaining influence, Academi would be sent in a heartbeat.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Just keep on posting this stuff, so no one can claim that either there's no evidence of Russia's close ties to the European far right, or that there is no ideological dovetailing of their views:
Link: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/european-far-right-developing-closer-ties-with-moscow-a-963878.html
Times have changed. Me: (except for some posters on DU...) While relations between Moscow and the West are once again tense due to the ongoing tug-o'-war over Ukraine and the Crimea, it is Europe's right-wing parties that are showing an affinity for Russia. And with European Parliament elections quickly approaching in late May, right-wing populists -- with parties in several countries well positioned to make gains in the coming vote -- are being increasingly open about their desire to act as an advocate for Moscow in Brussels.
The comments from Dewinter and Markov came on the sidelines of a conference held in the European Parliament recently that marks the most serious attempt yet by European right-wing parties to court Russia. Called somewhat awkwardly "EU-Russia: De-Escalating the Crisis - Roadmap for Peace in Europe," the conference was organized by Fiorello Provera, a senior member of the Italian right-wing party Lega Nord and deputy head of the Foreign Affairs Committee in European Parliament, together with David Lasar from Austria's Islamophobic Freedom Party (FPÖ).
The cooperation between the European far right and Russia has been developing for some time. A report published by the Budapest-based Political Capital Institute in March, called "The Russian Connection: The Spread of Pro-Russian Policies on the European Far Right," notes that Moscow has shown an interest in Eastern European right-wing parties for several years now. The paper notes that, while admiration for Russia is not universal in Europe's ultra-conservative scene, there is a widespread "ideological and political affinity" between the far right and Russia.