A conservative union member at work today about SCOTUS Harris v. Quinn Ruling

[Omaha Steve]

He started on about how IF they are not members of the union, they should not have to pay the fees at the center of this case. Faux has been saying it is over political donations. It is not. He watches Faux several hours a day BTW. It is over the cost of representing-negotiating for non-members that benefit from the contract.

So after 15 or 20 minutes I changed the subject to welfare. I've heard him go on about freeloaders several times before. He shot his mouth off. I countered with aren't non-union members freeloading off dues paying members in the SCOUTS decision? They get what union members are paying for while they get the service for FREE!!!

Ruined his good mood. How do you spell epiphany? A sudden realization about the nature or meaning of something. An epiphany can often come about due to some experience that may trigger the sudden realization.

OS

[geek tragedy]

1. He'll go back to watching fox and erase that

moment of insight from his memory banks.

[Starry Messenger]

2. k&r

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Well done, my dear Omaha Steve!

Epiphany IS the word.

[calimary]

6. That assumes, however, that the message somehow sunk in.

Sometimes they're stopped mid-sentence, and we might be tempted to think that it's struck a chord and maybe their eyes were just pried open. That and a dime might get you a few minutes on a parking meter. It'd be revealing to watch if his tune changed over the next few days - if he'd taken in what had been said and had a change of heart about it. Kinda doubt that, but one can always hope. But remember, sometimes they resolutely will cling to their false notions just out of spite - so you don't get the "win".

[houston_radical]

10. but you have to keep trying

my father is a far right wing ideologue, and so was I (like many people who follow their parents' political and religious bias').

but my epiphany came when I heard Chomsky speak

then the long roughly seven year turn-around following the several denial-to-acceptance steps

having met a girl from a war-torn country, and learning to think critically in college, certainly helped though

[lunasun]

4. And hopefully silenced him for a while which can be beneficial too !

[Thinkingabout]

5. Good argument, I have used the same one several before today's conseratives was running on the

welfare deal. Most people have never been a union member, never worked with a union, do not know how unions works but they are experts because they listened to someone talking about unions in a negative tone. It's like going to a brain surgeon and telling him how to perform the surgery on their own brain tumor. It is welfare on those who refuse to pay the dues. Unions are good, they do good things, it is a united effort going in the same direction.

[RoccoR5955]

7. Good job!

I would have done exactly the same thing, only in more colorful language.
Oh, and by the way, I belong to a union that gives contributions to RepubliCON as well as Democratic Party candidates!

[WillowTree]

8. Apparently neither you nor your co-worker knows what that case was actually about.

Here's the deal:

This didn't have anything to do with people who make their livings as care givers. This involved family members who are caring for a disabled child or parent or other relative. The State of Illinois decided that they should classify these people as employees of the State which would mean that they had to join the union and pay union fees. Why? Because they were collecting the Medicaid benefits that were rightfully due for the care of the patient.

Now, there might be people who think that's reasonable, but bear in mind that these family care givers were not eligible to receive any benefits that the other union members receive. And they didn't receive any benefits that other state employees receive. I, for one, think these families have enough problems and this was just over the line. Others may see it differently.

[Omaha Steve]

13. "Others may see it differently"

That would be four judges on the SCOTUS and the Seventh Circuit Court.

The legal fees of the personal assistants was paid for by the right wing funded Right to Work Foundation.

The Court gave very little consideration to states’ rights, particularly:

whether the State of Illinois should have the right to determine which categories of employees it considers to be “state employees” and whether states – as employers – should have the right to decide whether they want to include “agency fee” provisions in their union contracts.




https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.supremecourt.gov%2Fopinions%2F13pdf%2F11-681_j426.pdf


From the ruling today: Respondents also maintain that the agency-fee provision

promotes the welfare of personal assistants and thus

contributes to the success of the Rehabilitation Program.

As a result of unionization, they claim, the wages and

benefits of personal assistants have been substantially

improved;23 orientation and training programs, back­

ground checks, and a program to deal with lost and erro­

neous paychecks have been instituted;24 and a procedure

was established to resolve grievances arising under the

collective-bargaining agreement

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23 Wages rose from $7 per hour in 2003 to $13 per hour in 2014.

[nikto]

9. Forcing a right-winger to THINK, even for a second...

Gives them much pain and discomfort.


That's why they do it so little.

[Lunacee_2013]

11. I've been thinking lately that if people want to work

in a unionized work place, but don't want to be a union member, then maybe they shouldn't take the pay raise that usually comes with being a union member. They didn't earn it, the union did.

[kelliekat44]

12. Nice. But I bet it doesn't matter to him. Wingers are like that. They take...they don't give. nt