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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:00 AM Jul 2014

Get ready for an even bigger threat to Obamacare

Now that the Supreme Court has issued its ruling in the Hobby Lobby case, the legal fight over the Affordable Care Act will shift a few blocks away to another Washington courtroom, where a far more fundamental challenge to Obamacare is about to be decided by the powerful U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Indeed, if Hobby Lobby will create complications for Obamacare, Halbig vs. Burwell could trigger a full cardiac arrest.

The Halbig case challenges the massive federal subsidies in the form of tax credits made available to people with financial need who enroll in the program. In crafting the act, Congress created incentives for states to set up health insurance exchanges and disincentives for them to opt out. The law, for example, made the subsidies available only to those enrolled in insurance plans through exchanges "established by the state."

But despite that carrot — and to the great surprise of the administration — some 34 states opted not to establish their own exchanges, leaving it to the federal government to do so. This left the White House with a dilemma: If only those enrollees in states that created exchanges were eligible for subsidies, a huge pool of people would be unable to afford coverage, and the entire program would be in danger of collapse.

Indeed, the Halbig plaintiffs — individuals and small businesses in six states that didn't establish state exchanges — objected that, without the tax credits, they could have claimed exemption from the individual mandate penalty because they would be deemed unable to pay for the coverage. If the courts agree with them, the costs would go up in all 34 states that didn't establish state exchanges, and the resulting exemptions could lead to a mass exodus from Obamacare.

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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0701-turley-obamacare-subsidy-halbig-20140701-story.html

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Get ready for an even bigger threat to Obamacare (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2014 OP
Oh dear... that would happen to my family OKNancy Jul 2014 #1
This thread should be on fire. Biggest story of the day, and no one seems to be interested. nt Ex Lurker Jul 2014 #11
ACA is controversial at the "Democratic" Underground. BootinUp Jul 2014 #12
It's far from perfect, but it enables millions to be insured. And they will lose that insurance if Ex Lurker Jul 2014 #13
yes. BootinUp Jul 2014 #15
Then they modify it to cover those inane states that don't setup exchanges. There have always been lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #2
You would have to get the House and Senate to agree to modify it. Good luck on that. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #8
Exactly. There's no do-over. nt Ex Lurker Jul 2014 #14
So the are in full "legislating from the bench" mode now underpants Jul 2014 #3
I think after Citizens United didn't cause a huge pushback, they were emboldened n2doc Jul 2014 #4
Only 336 views for this very important thread. This is potentially huge and dangerous (more) Ex Lurker Jul 2014 #5
I've been aware of this case for months now. I never posted about it because Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #17
To think Single Payer Advocates were never at the table leftstreet Jul 2014 #6
Fuck. nt BootinUp Jul 2014 #7
I agree it's a threat. But Turley's article is heavily tilted toward the opposition. pnwmom Jul 2014 #9
The swing vote on the circuit was skeptical Ex Lurker Jul 2014 #10
There's a reason for concern. But Turley's article is heavily biased. pnwmom Jul 2014 #16
K&R WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2014 #18

Ex Lurker

(3,814 posts)
13. It's far from perfect, but it enables millions to be insured. And they will lose that insurance if
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jul 2014

ACA is overturned.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
2. Then they modify it to cover those inane states that don't setup exchanges. There have always been
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jul 2014

programs in place where the government would subsidize those that have financial difficulties.

Medicare does it all the time

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. I think after Citizens United didn't cause a huge pushback, they were emboldened
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jul 2014

The RW judges now feel they can do whatever they want, and their protectors in congress will not be harmed. It's only going to get worse. Maybe they know Scalia is going senile and they want to push through as much as they can before it gets too obvious.

Ex Lurker

(3,814 posts)
5. Only 336 views for this very important thread. This is potentially huge and dangerous (more)
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:15 PM
Jul 2014

Reading the tea leaves of this Circuit on some recent cases with similar issues, I think it will rule against the ACA, and when appealed to the Supreme Court, you know how the right wing majority will vote. I hope the Administration has an alternate plan in place, because millions will be thrown off their insurance when they can no longer afford it without the subsidies.

I am very worried.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
17. I've been aware of this case for months now. I never posted about it because
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jul 2014

everyone was so euphoric about the ACA finally settling in. There are other threats as well. This is not the only/last challenge.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
9. I agree it's a threat. But Turley's article is heavily tilted toward the opposition.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jul 2014

He has pre-decided the case, saying that the law "made the subsidies available only to those in enrolled" in state insurance plans. That is not the position of the Obama administration and is precisely the subject of the lawsuit.

Ex Lurker

(3,814 posts)
10. The swing vote on the circuit was skeptical
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:33 PM
Jul 2014

in his questioning. I think that's significant. I hope they rule in our favor, but I'm definitely concerned. If there's a silver lining, there would be a few million highly energized and focused voters to come out of it.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. There's a reason for concern. But Turley's article is heavily biased.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jul 2014

Other Courts have already taken Obama's position.

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