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Ok wait....so Hobby Lobby didn't ban most birth control, just IUD types? (Original Post) cbdo2007 Jul 2014 OP
That's not the point ..... mrsadm Jul 2014 #1
Nothing in HL's conditions of employment preclude use of an IUD. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #37
It is not an employer's business what their employees Skidmore Jul 2014 #62
And that is why I am sad our president didn't push harder for single payer joeglow3 Jul 2014 #64
No JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #2
Yes, I fully understand how conception works... cbdo2007 Jul 2014 #15
IUDs are also used for medical issues unrelated to pregnancy riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #21
This is true JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #34
See post #23 on this very thread... nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #36
Thanks - that is excellent! JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #39
It's including JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #24
I think there is an added level of *ironical hypocricy* Sheepshank Jul 2014 #25
I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #33
as another person who's family building was enabled by IVF Sheepshank Jul 2014 #38
Amen Sheepshank! JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #42
Currently most insurance does NOT cover IVF so I would love to see that changed... cbdo2007 Jul 2014 #45
Yep - we've been through that JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #48
Any ban is still a ban and thats a fact. William769 Jul 2014 #3
Any ban is bad for sure. brer cat Jul 2014 #18
+1 MadrasT Jul 2014 #46
And "Plan B" Coventina Jul 2014 #4
THAT is the underlying factor that most people seem to have missed. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #11
And every other form of contraception. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #13
A very good point that needs to be made clear. Coventina Jul 2014 #14
The point is, the employer chooses which birth control is acceptable and which isn't. Is that the lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #5
USA needs to get away from employer based health insurance Sheepshank Jul 2014 #28
That is the solution, but in this current environment, when do you think it will happen? lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #31
This court ruling takes us one step closer, imho Sheepshank Jul 2014 #35
Actually you are right if you read there decision, however, it will still be Congress that need to lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #40
Plan B and Ru-485 HockeyMom Jul 2014 #6
Of course they do JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #8
Nope, ruling means NO contraceptives are covered. Not a single one. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #7
my understanding is that 4 out of 20 choices will not be covered DrDan Jul 2014 #9
Your understanding is wrong. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #10
Not true WillowTree Jul 2014 #50
It might be that the company has the choice - just because something is not MANDATED karynnj Jul 2014 #52
They didn't ban anything gwheezie Jul 2014 #12
The narrowness of the ruling is similar to that of Bush v. Gore. dawg Jul 2014 #17
And if it actually worked that way, you'd have a point. jeff47 Jul 2014 #55
Oh, I agree with you. I'm just pointing out that they knew when they made this ... dawg Jul 2014 #57
You realize that those types are also used to treat non-pregnancy related female problems riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #16
I have a Mirena because it keeps the lining thin maryellen99 Jul 2014 #23
Yup. Hobby Lobby getting in between you and your doctor is wrong for any reason riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #27
Thank you maryellen99 Jul 2014 #63
I have a niece -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #49
Do we know Hobby Lobby wouldn't pay for that? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #61
I'm sure all the other corporations will do the same thing kcr Jul 2014 #19
Nothing has been banned. DesMoinesDem Jul 2014 #20
Just like you can't be a "little bit pregnant" ... frazzled Jul 2014 #22
excellent article. nt BootinUp Jul 2014 #60
Wrong. It also banned anything it considered an abortifaciant, pnwmom Jul 2014 #26
There is no ban. Employment is not contingent upon abstaining from using "abortifaciants." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #41
There is a ban. The employees are banned from using their insurance to purchase pnwmom Jul 2014 #47
HL gets between a woman and her doctor. Period. nt Ilsa Jul 2014 #29
How? If a company offered no BC prior to the mandate (HL did but let's assume a maximal position) Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #44
I said Hobby Lobby "HL", not some Ilsa Jul 2014 #54
This is much broader than which contraceptive methods HL objects to. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #30
I think they should have ZERO input on what birth control a woman and her doctor feel is best TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #32
corporations shouldnt fund any healthcare Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #53
The court did not limit it to just plan B and IUD's. boston bean Jul 2014 #43
I think this is a case of purposeful ignorance. tammywammy Jul 2014 #58
SCOTUS banned them in their slippery slope decision. HL are just Christoassholes. valerief Jul 2014 #51
Hobby Lobby hasn't done anything yet. jeff47 Jul 2014 #56
So what's going to happen when some Christian Scientist or faith healer sort Marr Jul 2014 #59

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
1. That's not the point .....
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jul 2014

The point is an employer is now allowed to impose their religious beliefs on its employees. This is a dangerous precedent.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
62. It is not an employer's business what their employees
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jul 2014

do in their bedrooms or the doctor's office. Period.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
64. And that is why I am sad our president didn't push harder for single payer
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jul 2014

This is what you get when you tie insurance to employment.

JustAnotherGen

(31,824 posts)
2. No
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jul 2014

RU 486 and Ella- prevent implantation.

Copper and Other types of IUDS.


Do you understand how conception works? I'm not being snarky - but I find that unless people have had to actively TTC or have a medical background they generally don't understand the concept of implantation.

A few rounds of IVF you get real familiar real quick with this stuff.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
15. Yes, I fully understand how conception works...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:25 AM
Jul 2014

my wife and I have had multiple IVF rounds as well, and she was pretty worked up about this when she thought they weren't covering the pill...the this morning she is hearing it's only related to IUDs (which she had a very bad experience with and ended up removing it herself)...and everyone here at my work is talking about it and saying it includes the pill, so I'm really just trying to figure out what is or is not going to be covered.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
21. IUDs are also used for medical issues unrelated to pregnancy
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jul 2014

So Hobby Lobby is essentially getting in between a woman and her doctor. And the Supremes just said that's okay because, religion!

JustAnotherGen

(31,824 posts)
39. Thanks - that is excellent!
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jul 2014

:group: Not for that poster - i.e. having that health concern.

But knowing it can PREVENT cancer! Okay - Hobby Lobby is just wrong and so are the Scrotum Five.

JustAnotherGen

(31,824 posts)
24. It's including
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jul 2014

The two methods that best stop implantation that are hormonal.

Your wife and I are probably in the same space/place in regards to 'having a child' - but for me - that's my choice. We have a cut off of $250K (amount to raise a child) before we will quit. Our choice as a couple.

But - another couples choice or woman's choice is hers.

Not everyone gets to a marry a 'The Gio' (how I refer to my lovey hubby around here ) - who am I to say stand in the way of a woman whose b.c. failed or who has been assaulted. Who am I to say this couple whose condom broke shouldn't have sex at all? B.C. fails - ella and r.u. to the rescue.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
25. I think there is an added level of *ironical hypocricy*
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jul 2014

when Hobby Lobby imposes their religious beliefs onto their employees, as if it were a right...but we are to completely ignore their multiple investments in companies that produce all forms of birth control (because in this case it's not about morality, it's about money) and have 90% of their shelves stocked with a handshake they made with countries that has one of the highest abortion rates in the developed world (again morality is out the window for the greater profit).

JustAnotherGen

(31,824 posts)
33. I agree
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jul 2014

And I would love to know how they feel about Assisted Reproductive Tech, IVF, IUI, DHEA, etc. etc. I'd bet that those who are against letting things happen naturally - are well -

Against anything that doesn't allow things to happen naturally.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
38. as another person who's family building was enabled by IVF
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jul 2014

I have an interest in ensuring that my children are not viewed as second class human beings, un-natural people because of the broad, judgemental sentiment that some religious people try to tout.

JustAnotherGen

(31,824 posts)
42. Amen Sheepshank!
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jul 2014


Between you, me, and the OP of this thread - Why does Hobby Lobby seem to think babies just fall out of the sky? They don't - yet for those of us for whom they don't - we still understand that woman/couple that do NOT want or need a child in their life. Or maybe it's because we understand and empathise with the emotional torture/heartbreak that we "get" it?

They suck - they just suck.

And I'd bet you anything that family (Greens) DOES think your children are 'less than'.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
45. Currently most insurance does NOT cover IVF so I would love to see that changed...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jul 2014

but to answer your question, generally most "Christian" groups are against not letting it happen naturally (of course they don't let their broken legs and congested hearts heal naturally, but oh when it comes to baby-making they get all high and mighty and religious all of a sudden).

JustAnotherGen

(31,824 posts)
48. Yep - we've been through that
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jul 2014

My company would pay for five rounds of IUI - and we consider ourselves very very fortunate that they included coverage for ALL of the testing. They even covered our genetic testing and the follow up consultation with the lab down in Philly. But IVF - Nope - no goal. We are using RMA NJ - not cheap but certainly effective.

William769

(55,147 posts)
3. Any ban is still a ban and thats a fact.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jul 2014

It's like a snowball going down a hill. Anyone in the LGBT community can tell you how that works.

brer cat

(24,565 posts)
18. Any ban is bad for sure.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:30 AM
Jul 2014

And I do think they are gunning for AIDS/HIV next. This ruling really scares me.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. THAT is the underlying factor that most people seem to have missed.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jul 2014

Compulsory pregnanacy.

But they could not, for whatever reason, come out and say it, so we end up with this weird Supreme Court decision.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
13. And every other form of contraception.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:23 AM
Jul 2014

While Hobby Lobby objected to only 4 forms of contraception, the decision covers ALL contraception as it is impossible to break 4 forms of contraception out from contraception coverage.

People need to pay more attention to the case arguments and the rulings. Counsel for the Defense even stated at argument that Hobby Lobby understood even if it only objected to four forms of contraception that all forms would necessarily be covered by any decision related to the case.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
5. The point is, the employer chooses which birth control is acceptable and which isn't. Is that the
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jul 2014

function of an employer?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
28. USA needs to get away from employer based health insurance
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jul 2014

and simply make this single payer with payroll deductions similar to social security.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
35. This court ruling takes us one step closer, imho
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jul 2014

as employers chip away at what they are going to cover, base on religious and personal preferances, it will become the natural outcome. I'd say less than 5 years and we will be seeing a huge push, with angrily debated hard legislation in both Houses.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
40. Actually you are right if you read there decision, however, it will still be Congress that need to
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jul 2014

pass it, and I am very skeptical of that

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
7. Nope, ruling means NO contraceptives are covered. Not a single one.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:13 AM
Jul 2014

The Hobby Lobby counsel st argument stated that, while it only objected to some contraceptive methods, all contraception would be covered by any decision in its favor. The actual decision does not (& could not) limit to just "some" contraceptive choices.

The plan that Hobby Lobby will offer its female employees will cover NO CONTRACEPTION. Not any form of the pill or any other contraception.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
9. my understanding is that 4 out of 20 choices will not be covered
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:16 AM
Jul 2014

The Greens actually do not object to all of the 20 forms of birth control under the ACA. However, they are religiously opposed to supplying four methods: morning-after pills Plan B and Ella as well as two kinds of inter-uterine devices (or IUDs).

http://jonathanturley.org/2014/06/30/supreme-court-rules-for-hobby-lobby-in-major-blow-to-obama-administration/
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Your understanding is wrong.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jul 2014

Read the decision.

NO form of contraception will be covered. It is impossible to break out some contraceptives and leave others.

No coverage for female employees at Hobby Lobby and 46 other asshole corporations.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
50. Not true
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jul 2014

The decision doesn't prohibit Hobby Lobby from covering the 16 forms of birth control that they do not object to, it just says that they don't have to cover any that they feel are in conflict with their religious beliefs. If all forms of contraception were against their beliefs, then they would not have to cover any, but that's not the case here. It may be for some other religions, however.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
52. It might be that the company has the choice - just because something is not MANDATED
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:56 AM
Jul 2014

does not mean that they can't include it. This may well become a company by company decision. The ruling does not forbid them from offering it.

The biggest problem in the decision is that it expands what rights a company has -- not just freedom of speech, but now the right to declare it has a religion.

As to why they might cover the forms they are not against, consider that they compete to get employees with other stores. For a young woman, the difference per month of having to buy bc - or getting it free, is not insignificant. Assuming two available jobs (big assumption at this point), you could say that the wages need to be higher by the cost of BC, inflated to cover the impact on taxes to be equivalent. Another reason would be moral of current employees currently using one of the approved forms. A change to excluding them is a wage cut. I assume that this year's insurance plan is set, so it might not happen until next year.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
12. They didn't ban anything
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jul 2014

They sought an exemption with the insursnce provider for 4 different bc methods that are included in the ACA.
The sc extended to a for profit corporation the right of religious freedom to avoid compliance with a law. So not only are corporations people it seems they are also religions

What amazes me is the claim of this being a narrow position as some sort of reason not to be concerned is baffling. By narrowing the decision to an issue aimed solely at women and basing the decision on one religions dogma it makes it even worse IMHO. The sc picked a favorite religious doctrine by narrowing the decision not to mention they seem to have a favored gender as well

dawg

(10,624 posts)
17. The narrowness of the ruling is similar to that of Bush v. Gore.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jul 2014

The Court has basically said, "Don't use this ruling as a precedent for anything else, because we all know it's bullshit."

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
55. And if it actually worked that way, you'd have a point.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jul 2014

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Bush v Gore has been cited many times since 2000.

The precedent is that a corporation does not have to follow laws if the CEO claims it violates his religion. Alito's damage control doesn't actually constrain the precedent. All it does is hint at how the SCOTUS might rule if it sees a case where the boss is ignoring racial discrimination laws, and so on. "Might" being a very important word.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
57. Oh, I agree with you. I'm just pointing out that they knew when they made this ...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jul 2014

ruling that it was (like Bush v. Gore) not based on any sound legal reasoning that could be *logically* applied to differing circumstances.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
16. You realize that those types are also used to treat non-pregnancy related female problems
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jul 2014

So Hobby Lobby's position actually ALSO gets in the middle of a woman who needs these for non-pregnancy related medical conditions, and her doctor.

Its a slippery slope cbdo2007.

The FACTS are that Hobby Lobby is interjecting itself in between a woman and her doctor. And the Supremes just said thats okay because, well, religion.


maryellen99

(3,789 posts)
23. I have a Mirena because it keeps the lining thin
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:36 AM
Jul 2014

I was at risk for uterine/endometrial cancer due to have irregular periods. I'd love to see the fundies try and call me a slut for having one. I'm 43 and will have been married for 15 years in September.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
27. Yup. Hobby Lobby getting in between you and your doctor is wrong for any reason
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jul 2014


These are private medical decisions that your company shouldn't be a part of - you are the living face of this.


 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
49. I have a niece --
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jul 2014

who had breast cancer at 33 and cannot use hormone-based BC, nor can she risk a pregnancy. She uses an IUD for her BC.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
61. Do we know Hobby Lobby wouldn't pay for that?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:12 PM
Jul 2014

10+ years ago, my wife worked for a Catholic hospital. They would not pay for birth control of any kind, unless it was prescribed for a medical reason other than birth control (such as yours). Do we know Hobby Lobby does not/would not adopt a similar approach?

kcr

(15,317 posts)
19. I'm sure all the other corporations will do the same thing
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jul 2014

They'll ban the exact same birth control, of course. Why the freak out? Geeze!

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
22. Just like you can't be a "little bit pregnant" ...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jul 2014

you can't just be "a little bit discriminatory," either.

This is a B ... F .... D .... So stop trying to minimize it. It puts you in line with the conservatives on the Hobby Lobby side.

Hobby Lobby’s defenders have emphasized that this is a very particular case: the Greens, the company’s owners, are devout, and they are only objecting to four contraceptives. Alito noted that churches and other religious non-profits already have an exemption from this aspect of Obamacare; he figured there were ways for the government to make sure the women working for Hobby Lobby got contraception without making the company pay. What could be the broader harm in letting these pious people off the hook?

To start with, who else is off the hook, or will be? What other companies can ignore which other laws on what real or dreamed-up religious grounds? That is something the majority decision in Hobby Lobby leaves shockingly undefined. Ginsburg called it “a decision of startling breadth,” one that could allow for-profit corporations to “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.” Alito, in his opinion, denies this; so does Anthony Kennedy, in a concurrence. But neither does so persuasively: their reassurance about the protections against what Ginsburg calls “the havoc the Court’s judgment can introduce” come down to, in Alito’s case, shrugs about how nothing alarming has shown up on the Court’s docket yet and, in Kennedy’s, the belief that everyone will be sensible about this. But if there hasn’t been a wave of cases there also hasn’t been a precedent like this—and now there is. And good sense has never been much of a reliable restraint. This suggests that the majority is either being disingenuous about how broad its ruling is or is blind to its own logic. As Ginsburg notes, religious objections to, say, vaccines are neither as theoretical nor as easily put aside as the majority pretends.

Nor is science much of a constraint. Hobby Lobby is really asserting two religious beliefs: that abortion is immoral and that the kinds of contraception it doesn’t want to pay for are, in fact, a form of abortion, even though the scientific evidence says they are not. The majority defers to both of these beliefs.

Can a for-profit corporation even have religious beliefs—can it be a person acting out of sacred conviction, in the sense of either the First Amendment or the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act (a law Hobby Lobby cites)? Alito doesn’t see why not; it doesn’t seem fair to him that the owners of a business should have to forgo either identifying its religious rights with their own “or the benefits, available to their competitors, of operating as corporations.” But corporations create a legal separation between owners and businesses that protects them in many ways; why is the upside a presumptive right and not any downside?

The decision is limited to “closely held” corporations, that is, ones for which five or fewer owners control more than fifty per cent of the stock, but that is not much of a limit; as Ginsburg writes, “closely held” is not synonymous with “small.” Cargill is closely held, and it “takes in more than $136 billion in revenues and employs some 140,000 persons.” (What if the owners have differing religious beliefs? Alito, in one of this decision’s many invitations to litigation, says “state corporate law” will help.) And anyway, Alito writes, there is nothing here that precludes a publicly held company, of any size, from bringing a suit making the exact same claim: since Hobby Lobby and another company involved in the case, Conestoga, are not in that category, the Court didn’t make a judgment on them either way. That may be next.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2014/06/a-very-bad-ruling-on-hobby-lobby.html

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
26. Wrong. It also banned anything it considered an abortifaciant,
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:40 AM
Jul 2014

whether it is actually an abortifaciant or not, including two forms of birth control (Plan B and Ella) that have been proven scientifically not to be abortifaciants. They don't prevent implantation of an embryo or interrupt an ongoing pregnancy.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
47. There is a ban. The employees are banned from using their insurance to purchase
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jul 2014

these methods of birth control.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
44. How? If a company offered no BC prior to the mandate (HL did but let's assume a maximal position)
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jul 2014

an employee could still utilize BC services. The company was incapable of getting between the employee and their doctor. Now that the mandate has been struck it is the exact same situation as before.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
54. I said Hobby Lobby "HL", not some
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jul 2014

Hypothetical. These are real women, my neighbors. There are thousands of women that work for HL that can be affected by HL telling her she can't get through her insurance the contraception her doctor deems best for her.

And as soon as the government starts trying to get it for her, the same RW nutjobs are going to scream about their tax dollars going toward something they find religiously objectionable.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
30. This is much broader than which contraceptive methods HL objects to.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jul 2014

I guess you can't see that. This is what ALL corporations can now do with ALL or ANY forms of contraception.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
32. I think they should have ZERO input on what birth control a woman and her doctor feel is best
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jul 2014

In fact, what is a Hobby Lobby doing making good any medical decisions?

Get that fact straight, Jack.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
53. corporations shouldnt fund any healthcare
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jul 2014

Perhaps if the democrats would have pushed for single payer this wouldnt be an issue. Instead the ACA requires companies to provide insurance, so it requires companies to get between a person and the doctor even if the choice is as small as deciding what network to use.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
43. The court did not limit it to just plan B and IUD's.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jul 2014

Hobby Lobby doesn't have to offer any contraception and neither does any other religious fanatical closely held corporation.

See the problem?????

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
58. I think this is a case of purposeful ignorance.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jul 2014

How one couldn't see a problem with this ruling is mind boggling.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
51. SCOTUS banned them in their slippery slope decision. HL are just Christoassholes.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:56 AM
Jul 2014

Now, a non-human corporate entity (a person) can have a religion and that corporate religion trumps federal law.

You know, like in those Middle East countries where women are treated like burros. Well, probably worse than burros.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
56. Hobby Lobby hasn't done anything yet.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jul 2014

After all, the decision was just made yesterday.

What the decision lets Hobby Lobby do is ignore any law where they have a religious objection.

Yes, I know Alito tried to do some damage control and included some theoretical situations where the SCOTUS might rule against a corporation. But those don't actually limit the precedent. For example, Bush v. Gore has been cited many times despite the ruling saying it only applied to that case.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
59. So what's going to happen when some Christian Scientist or faith healer sort
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:19 PM
Jul 2014

claims that *all* medical treatment goes against their beliefs? Are they just exempt?

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