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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTime to put Hobby Lobby Out of Business.
That is pretty much all we can do. They are demanding the right to discriminate against the American women who happen to work for them; to dictate the religion of all their employees; and to dump certain of their business expenses onto we the taxpayers.
For those readers who have not followed the case: before ObamaCare, it was easier to get insurance coverage for Viagra than for birth control. This was so obviously, stupidly unfair that the ACA said stop that discriminatory s***. So far, so Constitutional, you would say, and you would be right.
But the Fundagelical He-Man Woman-Haters club at Hobby Lobby got all hairy hosed off at having their right to f*** over the womenfolk amongst them taken away, so they claimed a ridiculous Religious case against the ACA and that despicable Kenyan Prexy who stole it from the Romneybots. That idiotic claim was decided in the idiots favor by the Supremes this week.
As expected, the Roberts court has ruled on the basis of partisanship as they are the Constitution. So this bit of illegal bulls*** has been made legal by those right-wing robed barbarians. Now that it has happened, we the people will have to render justice.
And we can do so without breaking a single law: we just stop shopping at Hobby Lobby or any other business they are involved in. Picket them. Boycott them. Sue them. Run them into the ground and on to bankruptcy.
Because if these misogynistic motherf***ers have no business, theyll have no employees to discriminate against.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)They'll also have no employees. Period. Tough choice.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Out of work who are paid starting double minimum wage? Yeah. Ok.
avebury
(10,952 posts)employees as human shields to the repurcussions of their decision to deny women contraceptive health care (which they had by the way until Obamacare passed).
If you find a company morally repugnant then why should you conduct business with them? If people do not take a stand, corporations will continiue to get away with driving the masses back to the stone age.
riqster
(13,986 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)The demand for the products will not disappear.
dawg
(10,624 posts)For the longest time, I thought it was just me.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Wearying, soul-sucking, but educational.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)That was in advanced economics...
riqster
(13,986 posts)This case does not exist in isolation. Rarely does any market condition do so.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)then someone else will come along
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...we could encourage Michael's and other craft stores to move in.
I went to a HL once. It was disgusting. Nothing but cheap crap, horrible service, disorganized and a freakin' mess. Broken items left on shelves. I like Michael's. I haven't spent the time to look up their stance on this, though.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's a demand for craft supplies. Hobby Lobby currently serves that demand.
If Hobby Lobby goes out of business, the demand does not disappear. So a Hobby Lobby competitor can come in and serve that demand profitably.
riqster
(13,986 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Just to fuck with 'em. It would serve them right.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)On the down side their corporate headquarters are in Texas.
IRVING, Texas, June 26, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- The Michaels Companies, Inc. (the "Company" today announced the pricing of its initial public offering of 27,777,778 shares of its common stock at a price to the public of $17.00 per share. The shares will be listed on the NASDAQ Global Select Market and will trade under the ticker symbol "MIK" beginning on June 27, 2014. The Company is offering all 27,777,778 shares of common stock. In addition, certain selling shareholders have granted the underwriters a 30-day option to purchase up to an additional 4,166,667 shares of common stock.
J.P. Morgan and Goldman, Sachs & Co. are acting as joint book-running managers and as representatives of the underwriters in the offering. Barclays, Deutsche Bank Securities, BofA Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo Securities are also acting as joint book-running managers of the offering, and Guggenheim Securities, Macquarie Capital, Nomura, Piper Jaffray, Raymond James, Stephens Inc., SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Ramirez & Co., Inc., Telsey Advisory Group and The Williams Capital Group, L.P. are acting as co-managers.
http://investors.michaels.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=856772
Stock holders would not look kindly on spending the kind of money for a Supreme Court challenge or be happy about the negative publicity that could result.
riqster
(13,986 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,369 posts)what do you mean by that question?
riqster
(13,986 posts)Hobby Lobby, at the time of filing, fit that designation. But now it seems that at the time of the ruling, HL may well no longer meet the required criteria.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,369 posts)of Hobby Lobby and not at all related.
riqster
(13,986 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,369 posts)I have entire days of derp!
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Thank you for the info. Okay, now we can encourage Michael's to buy out all HL property and move in.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)What you are saying is that their employees are hostages. I guess in that case no boycott is ever justified.
Worst argument against boycotts ever. As long as there's demand for the products they sell, other businesses will see increased sales, and hire to satisfy demand. Net job loss = zero.
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)will pay $14/hr for full-time and $9.50/hr for part-time. Seems to me that putting HL out of business might not be such a good thing for their employees.
goldent
(1,582 posts)that Hobby Lobby sort of unilaterally raised the minimum wage for their workers. That and Sundays off makes it unusual for retail.
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)in anticipation of the bad PR that this case would generate. It's kind of like the "yes, but . . ." when you find out they are restricting insurance-covered options.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Then they have no influence on their employees anymore. And that is what they really want. I've never, repeat, never, seen a rightie talichristian who would forgo money for principle. They talk a big bunch of bull.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)if Hobby Lobby does close some or all of their stores.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'll be happy when their last store closes.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Too bad the employees have to suffer for their attempt to subvert democracy and impose theocracy but so it is...we must stop them cold.
riqster
(13,986 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The former Hobby Lobby employees would be able to find jobs at the competitors that come in to serve that demand.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts), even if it is true, what makes you think the competitors benefits and pay are going to be better?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Retailers exist to serve demand. If there's unmet demand, someone will open a store to meet that demand. If Hobby Lobby goes away, someone will open a store to replace them.
Well, for starters they won't be forcing their religious beliefs on their employees....
riqster
(13,986 posts)The parent company is as big a load of greedheads as you'd ever care to meet. They will regret the loss of filthy lucre.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... come true.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)When there's no money coming in, people and organizations DO change their ways.
Hello, Rosa Parks?
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)It will work. Driving them out of business will make other companies with similar views and plans to attack gay people or whoever...whatever their next attack may be to think ...is it worth going out of business?
riqster
(13,986 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)who lose their jobs over a boycott and can't pay their bills
riqster
(13,986 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)because there is no way to guarantee those employers will get hired by the comptitors or that that competitors will even have health benefits for the part employees
riqster
(13,986 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)people complain and rant and yell, but when it comes time to actually do something in the real world, most everyone disappears.
Go ahead and try a boycott, more then likely you'll just cause people on the other side of the issue to make an effort to shop at Hobby Lobby. They might even see an increase in their sales.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Allowing miscreants carte blanche solves nothing.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... can't walk out (due to the desperation of so few jobs in this God-forsaken country), will wonder what they were thinking when they end up with a house full of kids, barefoot and pregnant again.
Yeah, now there's a future for ya! Not!
riqster
(13,986 posts)... I'm all in for your boycott. Contrary to what someone is saying, boycotts DO work.
If I was young and worked for HL, I would have walked in yesterday morning and told the general manager to "Take this job and shove it!" Then I would have gone straight to my OB/GYN to talk about the new situation I found myself in, that I needed low-cost BC from now on and ask where I could get it.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)the ruling only covered 4 (IIRC) types that Hobby Lobby objected to.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/hobbylobby.asp
riqster
(13,986 posts)WASHINGTON (AP) The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling.
The justices did not comment in leaving in place lower court rulings in favor of businesses that object to covering all 20 methods of government-approved contraception.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Unless if you have proof that Hobby Lobby has chosen to change their BC coverage, as of today their employees are still covered for most forms of BC.
We''ll see what the future holds
riqster
(13,986 posts)The Supremes made it possible for all of them to be taken away.
As a result of HL's suit.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)either can't be bothered to read what was actually said or too dishonest to acknowledge facts that they don't like
riqster
(13,986 posts)HL covered BC for years, until the ACA mandate; after which time BC became anathema. The blinders keep that from your sight.
HL continues to fund some BC, which is rank hypocrisy. The blinders keep that hypocrisy from your sight.
The SC gave them the right to terminate all BC as a result of the HL case. Again, the blinders.
Blinders are used to keep herded beasts focused on their tasks, and to suppress thoughts of anything other than what is right in front of them.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)SCOTUS said the ruling covered all forms of birth control. Thus another company would ban all forms of birth control.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Unless if you have proof that Hobby Lobby has chosen to change their BC coverage, as of today their employees are still covered for most forms of BC.
We''ll see what the future holds
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)There is too much evidence to the contrary that Hobby Lobby is a For Profit organization first and foremost. Despite what they claim, they are in it for the profits. Cut into their business profits and they will be offering birth control for their mamas tomorrow. Hobby Lobby was used by the rightwingers propoganda machine to bring a bogus lawsuit to try and destroy the ACA.
Duval
(4,280 posts)was so used for this purpose! I heard Thom Hartmann talking about it today. I wish I had the transcript to post for you. The People should know this, and I'm hoping one of "our guys" on MSNBC will talk about it tonight. Thanks for mentioning this, politicaljunkie41910.
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)That is all.
avebury
(10,952 posts)get away with using their employees (the same ones that don't get contraceptive coverage) as shields to protect their sorry asses?
People have every right to decide which companies they want to do business with. If people choose to not shop at Hobby Lobby it is their right to make that choice. Actions have consequences.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)the ruling only covered 4 (IIRC) types that Hobby Lobby objected to.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/hobbylobby.asp
And yes people have every right to boycott a store, just remember that there are innocent people that have nothing to do with the decision that may pay the price.
avebury
(10,952 posts)The SC ruling actually covers ALL forms of birth control. Hobby Lobby is under no requirement what so ever to provide any birth control coverage should they choose to go that route.
WASHINGTON (AP) The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling.
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> The justices also ordered lower courts that ruled in favor of the Obama administration to reconsider those decisions in light of Monday's 5-4 decision.
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> Hobby Lobby had provided their employees with birth control coverage up until Obamacare was passed. Now they don't have ot provide any coverage at all.
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2014/07/hobby_lobby_supreme_court_ruli.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/01/1310918/-Supreme-Court-clarifies-Yes-Hobby-Lobby-is-about-all-slut-pills
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/07/01/3728386/justices-say-birth-control-ruling.html?sp=/99/101/235/
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)however, unless if you have proof that Hobby Lobby has chosen to change their BC coverage, as of today their employees are still covered for most forms of BC.
We''ll see what the future holds
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)we can do it
(12,186 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)I mean, wow. Who knew that doing nothing was so motivational??
MADem
(135,425 posts)everyone stops shopping at their store. They'll get fired, each in turn, as business slides into the gutter and the profits dry up, the newest, the brownest, the ones without gonads...one by one, they'll all get picked off, chopped off, dumped, in order of "importance."
That'll only happen if people stop patronizing the discriminating basstids, though.
I can't believe anyone would make a "We don't want to anger the oppressor" argument in this day and age! What we want is for the oppressor to either get correct or get gone!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If someone were to say, "If an employee of HL doesn't like the ruling they can just go get a job somewhere else."
That generally brings a torrent of replies saying, "In this wretched economy they don't have choices."
Yet, here we are demanding that if those employees who presumably can't find another job should be put out of a job.
Meanwhile, those who are OK with the ruling (and I'll wager there are women amongst them) are to be punished for holding a contrary opinion in a presumably free society.
None of this will change anything because the case has been decided at the USSC. It is no longer a political issue to be swayed by popular sentiment. The dice were rolled and those in favor of the BC mandate lost. It will be decades, if not generations, before another such opportunity to roll the judicial dice is presented again.
The only people who won't suffer is the family that owns HL because they already made their pile of money. And they're really old. So they will die rich and secure in their victory.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Hobby Lobby is attempting a coup of sorts...this will not end with birth control...too bad for the employees...Hobby Lobby may pay a dollar or two more but these are part time shitty jobs in general...I know people who work there and they hate Hobby Lobby. For the sake of our freedom...from religious tyranny...Hobby Lobby must go. People always say ...oh what about the employees? Well a more liberal frees society with higher pay and benefits ultimately benefits everyone.
riqster
(13,986 posts)spanone
(135,839 posts)the crazy and sane. they sided with the crazy.
abakan
(1,819 posts)I will gladly do so in the future. I think voting with your pocketbook, is all the power you need to make a difference.
Good post..Thanks
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)I will NEVER step into that store.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)You can get right up to the doors and block the entrances and shout at the customers who have the audacity to patronize such a-holes.
former9thward
(32,013 posts)In fact you are 100% wrong. But regardless of that if a Hobby Lobby store is in a strip mall of some sort then picketing has to take place on outside public sidewalks.
riqster
(13,986 posts)A new HL is "coming soon", and there are no public sidewalks there. So she is asking the authorities about permissible locations.
former9thward
(32,013 posts)civil disobedience. I am sick and tired of these 'free speech' zones authorities have set up. The other day I was soliciting signatures for a candidate outside the public library. I was outside the small free speech zone the library had set up. BTW the free speech zone was in the sun (105 degrees) and I was in a shaded area. A library employee came out and complained. I told her the zone was unconstitutional and I would continue doing what I was doing. I told her she was free to call the police but I would sue as a violation of the First Amendment. No police ever came. Either she did not call or the police did not respond.
riqster
(13,986 posts)And she has alt and mainstream media contacts in her mobile for if the cops do show up.
KinMd
(966 posts)..if you took a poll of the public as whole, not just voters, the majority wouldn't have a clue what this case was about, nor would they care. Most can't name one of their Senators or the Vice President
former9thward
(32,013 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Hobby Lobby is one of the few national stores that close on Sundays, thus they have no objection to a picket line on their own property on that day.
AS to the comments about their competitors, that their direct competitors are open on Sunday and Hobby Lobby is not, shows Hobby Lobby has a niche that its competitors are NOT even trying to fill. As long as that is the case, Hobby Lobby will survive and continue to do as it wants.
riqster
(13,986 posts)hayes
(2 posts)So, Hobby Lobby has deep religious beliefs over contraceptives and therefore will not provide coverage to their female employees. It so happens that I have deeply held religious beliefs that prevent me from handling paper money or silver-colored coins (See: Judas). I and my friends, who hold the same religious beliefs, will be going to Hobby Lobby with a great big bag of pennies to buy some of thier cheap-a$$ sh.. er... merchandise. Of course we will count the pennies out verrrrry, verrrry slowly at the checkout so as not to make a mistake. If you hold these same deep religious beliefs, we encourage you and your friends to take a large bag of pennies to your closest Hobby Lobby store and make a purchase. Oh, and don't forget to get a 40% off coupon -- they are always available on the internets.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,415 posts)This has no effect on the "deciders."
former9thward
(32,013 posts)This is a nation of 315 million people. Boycotts don't work. Don't want to shop there? Fine, don't. But there are millions which will take your place.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts).......with Walmart and Chic-fil-A so far. But go for it! I wish you good luck.
riqster
(13,986 posts)So we must aim at their pocketbooks.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)of boycotting a business, that it's members don't do business with in the first place, has ....... on said business.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)And could possibly help to keep the issue in the public eye.
Or maybe not. I don't know. I just haven't seen many boycotts have much impact. In many cases, the ones boycotting are people who didn't shop at the offending stores in the first place.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)on the anti-gay smack last year?
riqster
(13,986 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Chic-fulla-hate changed their policy and decided to STFU. Walmart profits are down. How is that not working?
riqster
(13,986 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Isn't that what Democrats do? I applaud your wife and wish her the best. Let us know how we can help (I don't think we have HL in my area). I want to read about their bankruptcy post haste as a warning to other companies they better not try this shit.
riqster
(13,986 posts)...instead of activism.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)If Hobby Lobby loses enough of it's customer base to go belly-up, it would be as a direct result of their own actions. It would also funnel more business to other retailers such as Michael's and JoAnn, who would have more capital to expand and create add'l jobs. A rather simplistic scenario, I realize, but this is how it generally works.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)and start plopping down stores near Hobby Lobby.....
riqster
(13,986 posts)Raksha
(7,167 posts)I thought about how I'd love to see Hobby Lobby targeted by their competitors, either independent craft stores or another chain like Michael's or Joann's, opening new stores in the same shopping malls as existing Hobby Lobby stores. That would also make it very convenient for Hobby Lobby's laid-off or disgruntled employees to apply for another job.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Cant handle any spillover from hobby lobby. ....
riqster
(13,986 posts)get the red out
(13,466 posts)And anyone who shops at Hobby Lobby needs to be looked at as if they have human shit dripping off their nose because they are the enemy too.
Hobby Lobby must die as a company, it must be killed off by its ignorance so others can see that being misogynists isn't a winning business plan.
riqster
(13,986 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)Do you really think that a group of people who don't shop at a store, will affect the company by not shopping there ?
love the imagery though, this is even better than the OP.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)So yeah, if women decide to boycott them for this disgusting display, it will have an impact. It is entirely stupid from a business point of view.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)calling for a boycott,..... to other people on line who also don't shop at the store,...by calling people who DO shop at the store "the enemy", and consider them to have "human shit dripping from their nose", is the winning strategy ?
no wonder boycotting took down other stupid businesses like wallmart and chik-fil-a, I just didn't understand the "impact".
like I said, full marks for the imagery, ....the intended message delivery ? total fail.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)ktayloraz
(5 posts)And the 16,000+ people that work for Hobby Lobby, that had NOTHING to do with this case, you want to what? Throw them out on to the streets? Make it even more difficult for them to get the services they need? Take away their source of income because YOU don't agree with the Board of Directors/Owners?
Gee, what a kind, progressive, caring individual you are. Perhaps you could come up with a solution that would NOT increase the unemployment rolls in this country.
Or does your anger at a bunch of angry, ignorant men, make it impossible for you to see a better way?
riqster
(13,986 posts)So I will just ask: what "better way" would you suggest? I'm always open to new ideas.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... has been answered multiple times on this thread. If you have nothing to contribute....
riqster
(13,986 posts)Typical.
ktayloraz
(5 posts)1. Open a contraceptive exchange for employees of Hobby Lobby. They can get what they need, for free, from the exchange. The exchange would be stocked by donations from progressive groups, like the members of DU.
2. Since HHS can, and most likely will, alter the rules to make the decision a moot point, contacting the members of congress to push for a fast rule change is in everyone's best interest.
3. Lobby the insurance companies to go around Hobby Lobby, and offer the coverage through pooled premiums.
Now, ain't that better than putting people out of work?
riqster
(13,986 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Planned Parenthood already has to work very hard for funding. You are arguing for a mini-Planned Parenthood that only covers Hobby Lobby employees. Yeah, they're not going to have difficulty with funding.
So your next alternative is for Congress to pass a bill. Have you been in a coma the last 4 years?
Even better, you think the House will pass a bill to pay for "abortion".
This "solution" is utterly and completely delusional.
Not when Hobby Lobby forbids it. The insurance companies will happily take the much larger pile of money coming from Hobby Lobby.
In addition, this solution is demanding that Hobby Lobby's female employees buy special insurance. And that this will magically lower the cost of birth control when only the people wanting birth control sign up. In other words, you completely ignore the point of insurance.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Can you imagine if only women boycotted the store?
Takket
(21,573 posts)Let's not forget that hobby Lobby may have asked for the ruling, but they are not the threat to women's health. the RULING is. We can drive Hobby Lobby into the ground, shut their doors and walk away with a smile on our faces... but the RULING will still exist, and all those "closely held" companies can go right on discriminating. so let's just remember that what happens to Hobby Lobby is going to have little effect on what is happening to women's rights other than being a symbolic blow for the "power of the people".
If we REALLY want women to be protected, we need to get the enablers out of Washington! hobby Lobby is NOTHING without the enablers to do their bidding.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Injuring any of the parties involved injures them all.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Just a thought.
riqster
(13,986 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)And it may indeed be a problem for them. But I don't think it affects employees of private businesses.
riqster
(13,986 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and I haven't shopped at WalMart in a decade or more.
I'm just one person so I have no affect on either company's bottom line. But I really wish more people would refuse to shop at either of those two stores.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Because without that one, there can never be many.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I try to avoid retail shopping except for food. I bank at a credit union and have NO credit card. My car is 20 years old and paid for. I pay cash for everything. I buy my food at WINCO and COSTCO and plan to grow my own veggies and fruits. I buy my clothes, furniture, appliances, and books at secondhand stores. I'm sick to death of corporations and their lobby to SEVERELY curtail out rights as much as possible.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)about a mile from me. I usually go to Michael's. I only go to Walmart if there is an item that I cannot buy at a cheaper price at any other store. But I do shop at Home Depot, because many appliances there are cheaper then the Lowe's just across the street. My car is 15 years old and also paid for. Almost anything I buy is paid in cash. I do have one credit card that is used only for an emergency. I buy used appliances at Goodwill, which is almost around the corner. I haven't had to buy clothing since 2010 when I was laid off my job. I retired then, so didn't need clothing for work anymore.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)since I moved to Arkansas. I wrote a letter to their headquarters telling them that I will never buy another item from them. I will make the hour drive to their competitors, Michael's, to buy my art and craft supplies.
Will this put them out of business? Don't know. Don't care. I've boycotted Exxon for decades as well as never shopping at Walmart. It's not put them out of business, but I feel better knowing that my money doesn't go to them.
riqster
(13,986 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)and don't intend to start shopping there now.
riqster
(13,986 posts)kardonb
(777 posts)I despise these ignorant , hateful old white " religious " fools of Scotussi . Where is the separation of church and state guaranteed in our constitution , I would like to know . If they are so religious , as they claim , I have news for them : God is all for love and compassion , caring and helping other human beings , even if they don't always share our own beliefs .
If they don't want to contribute to other people's well being and decisions , well , I don't like wars , but I still have to contribute , in the form of taxes , to them . These holier than thou intolerants should complain about THAT , not about decisions women make in regards to their own bodies !
muntrv
(14,505 posts)No Hobby Lobby stores anywhere near here so I'll boycott in absentia.
I like Joann's for that kind of stuff, was a frequent customer preparing for daughter's wedding.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Adding them to WalMart and Exxon and BP.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Surely nobody will mind and everybody will be safer. Kinda group the nut bags together.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)"Condom" Hobby Lobby.
riqster
(13,986 posts)This seems like a money making idea for my college age daughter. She did not get the internship she wanted and is now looking for something to do for a couple of months. (Maybe with a tag that states. Yarn not purchased from Hobby Lobby)
indepat
(20,899 posts)maced666
(771 posts)We see - denial of women's health care rights.
They see no one prevented from buying whatever birth control they want when they want.
Both are correct.
Really REALLY angry?
Swell.
Make sure to vote and take someone with you in November. Because Hobby lobby, much like Chik fil a, is probably going to be just fine, with or without you.
VOTE
Cha
(297,262 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Cha
(297,262 posts)3rd way "
no need for your sarcasm thingy. rofl
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)other parts of the country have more customers. Whatever, we will never step foot in HL again. It's a really creepy place.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Sounds like a good thing.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)"...they claimed a ridiculous Religious case against the ACA and that despicable Kenyan Prexy who stole it from the Romneybots"
Who on Earth could be passionate about a stiff like him for President? I understand hating Obama, but what exactly does Romney bring to the table besides basically being a (richer) clone of the Bushes policy-wise? Even Ron Paul had his reasons for firing people up, as loony as his agenda is.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Devoid of humanity. He and his have always seemed that way to me.
TBF
(32,062 posts)put their minds to it. Hobby Lobby is just one gnat to swat. That court decision did not just apply to them.
It is those justices that need to go down - all 5 of them need to be impeached.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Anybody can now lose coverage due to some specious faux-religious "belief" on the part of their employer.
Anybody. Male or female. We are all less free and less secure than we were on Sunday.
TBF
(32,062 posts)3catwoman3
(24,000 posts)...Bain Capital is one of the owners of Michaels, so that might not be a great alternative.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)prices on their Chinese crap!
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)So I can buy one, too.
riqster
(13,986 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Time to bury Hobby Lobby so that no company who wants to remain in business will dare to follow their example. It is all we can do for...now in 14 vote vote and vote we must save the Senate and getting the house would be sweet...I doubt the gerrymander considers woman voters...and in 16 I will vote for any Democratic candidate for the sake of the SCOTUS and the lower court too...because SCOTUS has shown clearly they are political hacks...if they get a another conservative justice or two...it really won't matter who wins the presidency or Congress for decades. The GOP knows they are on the their way out as a party...they will try to use the courts to push their woman hating, gay hating working people hating policies, but we will stop them. We have to for the sake of our kids...I know, I know a cliché but I refuse to leave my three beautiful daughters at their mercy.