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sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:10 PM Jul 2014

Abortion clinic tomorrow what should

I expect. I have been ask to escort a young girl tomorrow for an abortion. I don't know the girl but I do know the other lady who is also going. They told the girls to expect a few protesters and some harsh language. The girl is 25 and her family is against abortion, she lives with her sis but she won't help. The guy that is the father is a wacko and told her to go to the chapel and ask for forgiveness. 18 years older than her irresponsible and he won't help. The girl also has cerabal palsy is mostly wheel chair bound. I don't even know if she could have a baby. I'm just the middle man but I will take her to the clinic. I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut to hateful people. But I am non violent. Unless provoked a lot.

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Abortion clinic tomorrow what should (Original Post) sorefeet Jul 2014 OP
Thank you for doing this, sorefeet. Suich Jul 2014 #1
Good luck, and thanks! immoderate Jul 2014 #2
Record them and everything when you get there, take two cars...take the day off snooper2 Jul 2014 #3
I think she's looking for a way B2G Jul 2014 #7
Thank you for doing this Rider3 Jul 2014 #4
Be strong & encourage her to be strong, too. southerncrone Jul 2014 #5
I salute your courage and compassion. Aristus Jul 2014 #6
Bring a decoy nykym Jul 2014 #8
there are mercuryblues Jul 2014 #9
Thanks for helping her. Ilsa Jul 2014 #10
Keep moving and don't engage. winter is coming Jul 2014 #11
this ^ PeaceNikki Jul 2014 #17
I wish you & the young girl safe passage 'sorefeet'. misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #12
Wow, thanks everyone sorefeet Jul 2014 #13
If there are protesters, keep calm, keep going, don't make eye contact, don't touch anyone. haele Jul 2014 #14
Thanks haele sorefeet Jul 2014 #16
Please don't engage with any of them. will be difficult, but please stay focused on why you are PeaceNikki Jul 2014 #18
Sorry, but a woman who is 25 is no longer a "girl" kath Jul 2014 #15
 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
2. Good luck, and thanks!
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jul 2014

My contribution is to tell you to remember that you're in a position where you should avoid saying things that will piss people off.

If cornered ask them for "compassion." That seems inoffensive enough.

--imm


 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. Record them and everything when you get there, take two cars...take the day off
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jul 2014

After everything is done have one driver take the girls home. Then you stay...

Then it is time for fun, record and mock the protesting assholes, make sure you stay 8 feet away. As they get ready to leave make sure you follow them and make sure they see you record their car and their license plates.

Rider3

(919 posts)
4. Thank you for doing this
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:35 PM
Jul 2014

I went through this but as a patient. You will get a few people trying to block your car's access to the parking lot. They'll be trying to shove pamphlets in your face, while shouting at you. They will follow you as far as they're able to go, again, while shouting. Just keep going about your business. Look forward, but watch your back.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
5. Be strong & encourage her to be strong, too.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:59 PM
Jul 2014

I'm sure she knows the challenge of raising a child w/her illness. The protesters have no compassion for others, just want to impose their unproven beliefs on others against their will.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
10. Thanks for helping her.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jul 2014

A pregnancy for someone like her could be extremely difficult. Delivery could be deadly.

Please try to keep a cool head. Lie to any protestors, if you need to. Remember that your objective is to help her and keep her safe. They don't need to know if she's getting an abortion or pap smear.

I used to stand on the line to help keep anti-choicers from clients. It's hard work. It's emotional. Plan something for yourself to decompress after you're done.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
11. Keep moving and don't engage.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jul 2014

"Winning" isn't telling off those yahoos. "Winning" is getting the woman you're escorting safely in the door, with as little disruption as possible.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
12. I wish you & the young girl safe passage 'sorefeet'.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jul 2014

Do wear a disguise and do be careful. Talk to no one, walk strong & tall through the crowd & look straight at the door.
The clinic itself may have someone there to guide you through the 'demon forest' you are sure to travel through.
Play the game & f*ck em all.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
13. Wow, thanks everyone
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jul 2014

lots of good advice. I am nervous but oh well. I am sure I'm not as nervous as the patient.

haele

(12,659 posts)
14. If there are protesters, keep calm, keep going, don't make eye contact, don't touch anyone.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jul 2014

Women's Clinic "Pro birth" protesters are like someone else's misbehaving, over-privileged child. You can't reason with them, and you can't spank them in public. You just need to get past them and go on about your business.

As for the actual walk to the door - check out the lay of the land first. Protesters are only supposed to be on the public sidewalk, so you need to minimize the amount of the exposure to that area to walk to the door. The primary thing that you will be doing is staying between the woman you are escorting and any protesters that might want to block your path.

If someone attempts to stop you, just remember, it's assault if they touch you. If they get in your way, calmly remind them they can't block access to any door or driveway - and leave it at that. Be ready to take pictures if they close in or attempt to put hands on you and tell them that will be evidence when you report them to the police for assault and intimidation.
The most they can do is force you to shoulder past them.
As for anything you can say to them, remember - they can think what they want, and make assumptions due to the clinic's scheduled doctors, but they don't know what the woman is going in for, and they can't keep legally force anyone not to have any legal medical procedure.
Don't acknowledge anything about why you all are there; you don't have to lie.
If they swarm around in circles yelling "don't kill your baby", loudly say "y'all have no clue what she's here for, so shut up ,stand aside, let her go in and see her doctor."
That's pretty much the mantra to be used. The woman is going in for is a medical procedure at a woman's medical clinic - Why - because that might be the only place she can afford to go to or is able to go to for the medical procedure.
Never say "abortion" to them. Never say "baby" or "fetus" to them. Don't even acknowledge they are part of a cause, even if you are personally "pro-life" and are only doing this because you're helping a friend in trouble out.

These idiots are the same as the beasts of their imaginations, they just like to pretend they are better than the rest of us.

Personal experience and thread hijack - In the late 1980's during the beginning of the "pro-life" clinic violence push from Falwell's Moron Majority, I had a friend with health problems to begin with who was going through a wanted but dangerous pregnancy and the PP clinic was the only one that would take her in on credit (father was deployed, but they weren't married, so she couldn't get treatment from the base doctors).
A couple of us at work offered to help her as escorts. Protesters were a gauntlet of small clusters of beasts, circling, howling and spitting like rabid animals, waiving signs and "accidentally" hitting patients and staff with their stapled on thin plywood pictures of bloody fetus or "precious moments" cartoons.
It frightened her so much the first couple times we took her to see the OB/GYN who was monitoring her pregnancy and trying to figure out a plan of treatment, that she decided to stop going - and didn't tell us that was her plan, she just kept telling us that she was okay, she "found another doctor and everything was under control".
She died a month later, in her bathroom, alone over the weekend, from complications. Dead, because those holier than thou "WE know the will of our small God" assholes wanted to close down a clinic that treated icky wimmens parts they didn't understand - where maybe only 2% of the medical care given to women were legal, safe abortions.
Anyway, I digress.

Thing to remember, these protesters aren't doctors, they don't understand pregnancy and they don't understand medical issues. And they don't care. They really think they're warriors doing good work for some small delusion of John Calvin's ego their huckster preachers have polished up and are selling as a cheap, shiny "Lord of all Creation", poor deluded saps. Gives them a sense of purpose, even if they are really indulging in the greatest blasphemy of all to a real Creator God/s/Creation Situation by pretending to know the will of something that is behind this whole, huge universe of possibilities.
Unfortunately for most rational people and the rest of the World as a whole. But, secular law does not allow us to teach them reality with a two by four, so it's best to minimize the amount of damage they can do by making as small a target as possible for the emotional payoff they get from harassing the helpless.

Haele

On edit - do you know how much I despise these deluded idiots for doing these sorts of things. Even if they are someone's otherwise sweet and kindly grandmother or uncle; they let their brains be turned into fearful mush by sociopaths prettied up in religious sheep's clothing. They are doing their own devil's work, and they refuse to see it.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
18. Please don't engage with any of them. will be difficult, but please stay focused on why you are
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jul 2014

there. To get her through it safely and as comfortably as possible. Talk to HER through it to drown out any negativity. Stay positive. A confrontation is an additional stress she doesn't need.

Thank you for being there for her. It's important.

kath

(10,565 posts)
15. Sorry, but a woman who is 25 is no longer a "girl"
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jul 2014

Would you refer to a 25-yr-old man as a "boy"??

language DOES matter.

Good on you for being an escort!

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