What if all women everywhere who disagree with SCOTUS quit wearing their tops?

[truedelphi]

NO more shirts, no more bras, no more bikini tops, just our wonderful bare womanly torsos.

That would show how many of us there are!

It's true some of us older ladies might scare the horses, but it would definitely get media attention as to how backwards it is to have five elderly Jesuits running the nation.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. I, for one, am all for it.

[winter is coming]

4. DUzy! n/t

[Squinch]

64. Not.

[winter is coming]

69. Not for the sentiment; for the reference to Arte Johnson's Dirty Old Man character. n/t

[Squinch]

82. I love the character, but

I am having trouble with the conversation that goes, "Women, the nation has shown us astonishing disrespect again. Let's greet that disrespect by taking off our shirts and pandering to the worst sexist attitudes." Which is answered by various forms of, "Yeah. Heh, heh. Take it off, girls."

[winter is coming]

83. I'm having trouble with the suggestion that taking off our clothes would achieve anything

but a Dirty Old Man response. I took the post as a satirical allusion to that.

[quinnox]

80. LOL

[elleng]

2. Negative attention,

and you sure they're all Jesuits? IMO it would be a good thing, if they WERE.

[truedelphi]

8. BLM here on DU has this citation about the Opus Dei end of things re: SCOTUS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025178906

[elleng]

9. I think Opus Dei is not Jesuit;

I know it is cult-ish. I am not an expert.

[Hekate]

12. Opus Dei and the Jesuits are not the same thing at all. nt

[bettyellen]

3. how'd that work out for Femen? Oh, it didn't , because people just talked about boobs.

See how that works?

[Hekate]

15. PETA likes female nudity too. What was the message again? nt

[bettyellen]

18. you should not own pets, so.... we will kill them for you?

[JI7]

16. and these people don't care about the issues either

look at komen with their "i love boobies" campaign about breast cancer and yet they wanted to cut planned parenthood which had a large role in checking for breast cancer.

they spend donations on crap like stupid "i love boobies" bracelets and other shit.

[bettyellen]

20. komen is a scam.

[Skidmore]

5. What is this notion that everytime women need to protest it has to

be done with nudity? Why create a circus atmosphere that detracts from the very serious issues here. How about going back to some massive marches and rallies? How about organizing voters and backing candidates that will further policies that benefit women?

[PeaceNikki]

7. It's really creepy and lecherous.

[JI7]

13. exactly, would people say the same to black civil rights activists, those fighting for gay rights

etc ?

how about those old veterans who are mostly male protest by getting naked and marching to congress ................

[PeaceNikki]

17. Wave your wangs against war!!

Really, WTF!?!?

[pipi_k]

84. Nuts Against Nukes!!

Wanking For Peace!

[PeaceNikki]

85. Balls not Bombs!

[PasadenaTrudy]

98. You guys are cracking me up!

Almost spit my dinner out!

[winter is coming]

14. +1. As if the only weapon we have is our bodies. n/t

[theHandpuppet]

70. +1

Totally agree.

[Lars39]

19. This I the second op with this "idea":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025172737

[bettyellen]

21. I bet the original source is some RW asshole, interesting....

[JI7]

23. yeah, the person who suggested it said earlier on

that women who had a problem with the SC ruling and worked at Hobby Lobby or other places that want to make decisionsf or them should just get a job somewhere else.

and we know the type of people who say these things. anytime someone complains about low wages, mistreatment etc. "so why don't you get another job" .

[redqueen]

24. this from the guy calling women "hysterical" for being outrgaed

Yep

[BainsBane]

29. Well that shows what this is all about

Really. What more do you need to see to know this is a counterproductive idea?

[Number23]

87. Shocking! I am SHOCKED that particular person suggestedsuch a thing!

SHOcKEd!!1one!1

[LadyHawkAZ]

22. When the objection is to our sexuality, flaunt that sexuality right in their faces

It's not incompatible with marches and rallies, or organizing.

[redqueen]

25. It's about healthcare, not sexuality, IMO. nt

[LadyHawkAZ]

31. To *us* it's about healthcare. Their objection is not to healthcare.

Their objection is to women having sex without babies. That's why it's about women's birth control and not Viagra or vasectomies.

[redqueen]

32. I reject their sexist framing.

Abortion and birth control are health care issues. Any attempt to frame them as issues of sexuality plays into misogynists' hands.

[bettyellen]

34. yep, that is a suckers game.

[JI7]

35. exactly this

[LadyHawkAZ]

41. And that's worked well, has it?

49 years since Griswold, 42 since Eisenstadt. A carefully and cautiously framed debate that glosses over the issue of S-E-X and family planning and talks almost entirely about ovarian cysts, menstrual cramps and PCOS. The rare discussion of birth control as birth control centered almost entirely around proper married couples wanting to properly space their children. We've done a brilliant job of painting ourselves as asexual (until married) baby machines. How well has that worked? Did we win on that virgin-pure patriarchal platform, or did we lose?

That also plays into their metaphorical hands. We're going to get that either way we go. The solution is to break their metaphorical fingers, not look for ways to not get grabbed at all. Their objection is not to women's healthcare, which is an alien concept to fundies anyway; their objection is to women having sex without husbands, babies or fear. This is a battle that needs to be taken to their turf, because we're not going to win it until we do.

[redqueen]

75. I don't know how old you are, but the situation you're describing is entirely alien to me.

The modern message is that its ALL about S-E-X and that women are free to be as slutty as we want to be, so shut up and fork over the BC pills, plan B, etc.

Their objection is about sex, so what. This is about our healthcare, not their obsession with our reproductive systems. The vast majority agrees with us, so these old assholes can blow it out their ass. They've made a huge mistake and now they'll reap the whirlwind. I sure as fuck am not going to play their stupidass 'everything is about S-E-X' game.

I'm done making ANY kind of attempt to rationalize SHIT to those people.

[truedelphi]

104. I think she is saying what you are saying, redqueen.

It seems like both of you are stating that the patriarchy is upset with a woman's sexuality.

[truedelphi]

49. So explain to me, if you would, the following:

Any day of the week, my timeline on FB is flooded with messages, photos etc from young women who breast feed.

They state that breast feeding in public should not be a problem for anyone, as the most important function that the female mammary gland has is to provide nourishment for the human baby.

And I, of course, (as someone who once breast fed my baby) totally agree.

But here, on a supposedly left-leaning board, I am learning that to display the breast is to "play into the hands of the misogynists."

How so? There was a time when displaying one's frigging kneecaps was considered immoral, and luckily, the women who were Suffragettes and who were into being liberated threw all of that aside. How did they create the change in society that they desired? Luckily for us, these early shit kickers did not decide they had to follow the Mainstream Paradigm, but instead they rebelled and they flaunted it. Hemlines were raised, and hair was bobbed, and again luckily for all of us, those rebellious moves were made. They openly displayed the kneecaps which became a fully displayed everyday item, and the knee was no longer a prurient body part.

BTW, the illustration that was posted by "Separation" says it all - and hopefully will make you laugh. (I think the cartoon is in reply # 47.)

[JI7]

72. that's about Breast Feeding itself so i don't see the connection

[redqueen]

74. I have the right to walk around topless now. Know why I don't?

Not because it's "immoral"... but because women are still considered the sex class.

Because we are still objectified and portrayed as caricatures of sexuality for fun and profit. We are portrayed as THINGS.

Until that changes, until women are viewed as PEOPLE first and not a collection of body parts (thots, milfs, etc), " displaying" our breasts to "send a message" is a fool's errand, at best.

Also, one does not "display" one's breast to feed an infant. It's a utilitarian situation, not a fucking show.

In other cultures it could be effective. In ours the female breast is so fetishized that it would only be counterproductive.

[truedelphi]

105. I now understand the burkha societies.

Well, we can''t take off the damn burkhas, as then we would be playing right into their notions of tarting ourselves up! Damn if I am going to let the men see my face. That is what they want to have happen.

On her KPFA radio show, Caroline Casey once discussed the fact that although American women deplore the burkha societies, we American women have burkhas of our own. Young woman who don't allow themselves to eat a single decent meal due to the fact that to be a size two (which is a requirement for most women of feeling okay about themselves) means not eating very much. Or becoming bulimic, if you do eat.

Anyway in putting up the OP, I envisioned a protest situation where women en masse went topless to stand in solidarity with each other at the Nation's Capital or where ever. I certainly didn't mean for a woman to take off her top and head home from work at 2Am on the Chicago El system. I was thinking about it being an en masse protest. And for those who are modest, maybe fake plastic breasts.

[truedelphi]

36. It takes some imagination to see things that way.

A trait sadly lacking these days.

I could have put this up on a computer forum in the 1970's (had such existed) and gotten more understanding, minus the potshots of being called "dumb."

What's that Belushi quote: "You're only dumb if surrounded by those lacking imagination." ??

.

[LadyHawkAZ]

66. Sad but true

The hippies got so many things right.

[BrotherIvan]

30. Agreed

Women don't need to be naked or sexualized to be treated equally. Any law that discriminates against any person for their gender or race is inherently wrong. That's what we need to fight for.

[elehhhhna]

43. Because tits! WANT RIGHTS? sHOW ME YOUR TITS!!!

IT'S DISGUSTING.


only a man would come up with this one

[truedelphi]

58. 150 years ago, knees were too sexy to be seen, as were ankles.

Plus any decent lady kept her waist trimmed in by a corset, so fainting spells were all the rage.

And thankfully for us modern women, the Suffragette crowd did not feel that the issues of body shaming and the lack of other "more political" rights were unconnected.

And thankfully the Suffragettes did not feel that they could only handle one thing at a time.

No, perhaps a woman (I am not a man) who has been interested in the times that the Suffragettes lived in would be interested in this.

They wanted the vote. Ever notice how close to the Suffragette era (1890 to 1928, when women in England finally secured the right to vote,) clothing styles were modernized?

Women's ankles and knees came out from the netherworld around the same time. The corsets went away as well.

[BainsBane]

86. Is the point protesting Hobby Lobby?

or dress conventions? You can legally go out topless in some localities, like Manhattan. A startlet recently did just that. You can walk topless anytime you want if you're willing to face the fine or short jail sentence for it, and more power to you if that's what you want to do. What any of that has to do with the SCOTUS decision, however, I fail to see.

[elehhhhna]

99. cause and effect? nope. sorry.

if so let's show our bottoms too and take over the world!!1!!! I'm seriesz!!1!1

[MerryBlooms]

45. No shit. I'm so fucking sick of the

phoney smirking bullshit 'support', 'Ooo, if you go naked I'll support your cause... on the internet... for the mere cost of nude photos'. Fuck that.

[Squinch]

60. ^^^^ This. You are absolutely right. The assholes are coming out of the woodwork on this one.

[WillowTree]

62. And "The Deep End" has been thoroughly gone over.

[MerryBlooms]

88. I had a post hidden for naming names...

which is fine, no big deal, but the jury claimed naming names was a site violation. Nope, it's not. A community standard violation... sometimes. What many times not naming names does do though, is turn an honest true anger post into passive/aggressive 'just sayin' crap, instead of straight-up from the heart and pissed off. lol, oh well.

And yeah, the true colors have come through with this scotus decision, and they're not from the 'happy-beautiful', part of the spectrum.

[Squinch]

90. I'll take the hides at this point. I am fed up with these self-deluding sexist infants.

[MerryBlooms]

94. amen, sister.

[MadrasT]

95. Right there with you. n/t

[Jane Austin]

6. We'd all get skin cancer

and the SC would figure out a way for ACA not to cover it.

[bemildred]

10. Indeed, why wear anything? nt

[demmiblue]

11. Dumb. n/t

[mindwalker_i]

26. It would be completely ineffective in terms of getting people

to respect women's rights. Now, if every woman married to a conservative refused sex and handed him a dildo instead, that might cause things to change. Or if every woman stopped voting for Republicans, that also might cause things to change.

[Lefta Dissenter]

102. Exactly that. ^ (n/t)

[BainsBane]

27. The Lysistrata approach is better

Going topless only incentives taking away our rights.

[redqueen]

33. +1

[Ilsa]

40. Exactly. Stop having sex with men until they "get it."

[davidn3600]

67. Not a big deal....us men got plenty of porn to keep us busy for awhile

[randys1]

28. Now I see why this idea is bullshit

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[bettyellen]

91. it's "I hate feminists + want to trick them into exploiting themselves for my amusement"

Pretty transparent. Dozens of men supported Femen to the death, but few of them could tell you what the protests were about.
One idiot here thought they were fighting for the right to walk around nude at home. Wish I was joking.

[randys1]

92. It infuriates me we have to fight the enemy on the right but now on the left too

dammit

[bettyellen]

93. I am grossed out by the trolls here getting off on trying to humiliate women.

They are hard to pity, I'd rather just scrape them off my shoe.

[tularetom]

37. I think SCOTUS should quit wearing their tops

We already know Scalia is the biggest boob on the court. I think he probably has the biggest boobs as well.

[nolabear]

38. With friends like you who needs enemies...

What a dismissive, disrespectful thing to say. This ain't Mardi Gras and human rights ain't pretty beads. Get serious or knock it off.

[TDale313]

103. Great response...

To this ridiculously insulting suggestion.

[Ilsa]

39. Fuck that. nt

[Laffy Kat]

42. Nope. Too many people would like that.

And I'm still quite perky myself.

[Zorra]

44. This will work if hundreds of women go topless

in front of every Hobby Lobby in the US at the same time in a national protest. This would draw national attention to the issue.

[truedelphi]

55. Yes it would.

And would this even be happening if the Women's Equal Rights Amendment had passed in the seventies?

[LeftyMom]

46. Congrats! This is officially the Stupidest Thing on the Internet Today!

You win A NEW CAR!!!!!

[truedelphi]

51. Sorry I couldn't tickle your funny bone, stimulate your imagination or any of

That. JEESH! And I used to wonder why women in Muslim lands still accept wearing burkhas? At least the women in those countries have the excuse that rebelling against the male-driven paradigm of their sexuality could cost them their lives.

BTW "separation's" reply number 47 is truly funny. You might want to check it out. It was sad to see there were so few people here with a sense of humor, but if prizes are to be given out, then DU'er separation should get the new car for humor.

[Separation]

47. .

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[truedelphi]

48. Thank you.

It has been sad to see that imagination and needed humor is pretty much lacking.

And of course, if any of the beloved party leaders said we women had to do this, so many here would immediately change their tune!

[Phentex]

50. It's not funny!

That's what people are telling you.

Why didn't you ask all the men to stop wearing pants? Wouldn't THAT just be so funny?

[truedelphi]

53. Name change expected in near future:

DemocraticHumorlessUnderground.

[Phentex]

54. you should start that!

:

[kpete]

59. LOL!

[lovemydog]

61. . .

[Quantess]

52. Okay... if this is as far as your worldly intellect goes... DO IT!

Shake those boobies in public, why not?

For me, whenever I do stuff like that, I am thinking of fun and I have forgotten the more depressing, realistic news. Either that or I got drunk. And/or, probably both.

Yeah, no. I think this is worthless advice, sorry.

[NCTraveler]

56. I get leered at enough as is. Thanks. nt.

[kpete]

57. good info to have just in case....

if you hold your hands high over your head (no matter size/shape/whatever)
most boobs look just fine

girlfriends tried it in Vegas together
works well
scared the room attendant who brought xtra towels
other than that....
no harm done

peace,
kp

[redqueen]

76. See, this is the issue.

The OP seems to be saying, 'show boobs, get attention, increase support for the cause'.

The reality is this: How do the boobs look? Do they look nice? How could they look nicer? Where are the best ones? Let's make fun of the ones we done like!

And - BONUS - Look at those 'sluts'! Its only 'slutty' women who want free birth control!

The reality is: show boobs, get attention ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY FOR BOOBS, increase support for the SEXIEST BOOBS'.

[KamaAina]

63. My life would improve tremendously

[davsand]

65. I'm mostly worried about black eyes.

Middle age sucks if you are a big bosomed women.

Just sayin...



Laura

[LittleBlue]

68. Best idea I've heard in a long time

[Xyzse]

71. We'll Just get Limbaugh Shots with Putin-like Expressions.

You're welcome to try, but I think it is counter productive.

I am more enthused about the possibility of taking a case allowing one to talk to the Supreme Court Justices and other Politicians in a "Respectful and Calm Manner" as they go towards their place of employ. Much like how Anti-Choicers are talking in a "Respectful and Calm Manner" towards those who go towards these clinics.

[CreekDog]

73. Well you certainly haven't struck a nerve

[quinnox]

77. Well, I for one think it's a fine idea

[redqueen]

78. Also, here's a hint - look at the most enthusiastic supporters here.

If you know their posting history, well, enough said.

[Scout]

79. What if all men everywhere who disagree with SCOTUS quit wearing their pants? n/t

[clarice]

81. Tit for Tat. nt

[MadrasT]

96. So sexist jackasses can leer at me like a piece of meat?

I don't fucking think so.

Not into flashing my tits for attention.

[csziggy]

97. To heck with scaring the horses - it would dazzle the troops!

For those not familiar that's a reference to The Lion in Winter:

Eleanor: I even made poor Louis take me on Crusade. How's that for blasphemy. I dressed my maids as Amazons and rode bare-breasted halfway to Damascus. Louis had a seizure and I damn near died of windburn... but the troops were dazzled.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063227/quotes?item=qt0440278

[greatauntoftriplets]

100. So how's going topless working out for you?

[DetlefK]

101. How about a scarlet letter?

[ck4829]

106. You need to talk OVER the SCOTUS but TO the people

The bad SCOTUS decisions since Citizens United have been made in fear, bigotry, dogma, corruption, and choosing right wing politics over law.

If you can truly get people to understand that, then maybe real change will happen.