White people need saving?

[pokerfan]

The photograph is of the lovely John King, who has been protesting events in support of Trayvon Martin in Indiana. Apparently, Martin was a ghetto hoodlum, and therefore deserved to be shot. It’s going to lead to an interesting cycle: every black boy wearing a hoodie needs to be murdered, and when people protest the execution, white people like King will claim their views are being oppressed, so they need to lash out and kill more black boys, which means privileged white people will be blamed even more. How dare they say such mean things about us gentle people of European descent!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/04/04/white-people-need-saving

[Skip Intro]

1. Yay. More hate whitey bullshit on DU!

Wheeeee, just havin' fun.

[EFerrari]

2. Do you really not see the difference

between calling out racism and hating white people?

[tkmorris]

2. Err, what? "hate whitey bullshit"?

I hope I'm not understanding your post correctly. I really do.

[Skip Intro]

4. What if you are?

What if I take offense to "gentle people of European descent!" being used in a derogatory way? I'm of European descent. That quote slams me, and all other whites, for being of such descent. I don't like it.

If it were the words, "gentle people of Arab descent," being used in such a way, a jury would be called and it would be removed from the record. But to group all whites together in such a way is apparently fine.

Sorry. It's bs.

[sudopod]

6. The context of history means something.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. Pretending like you're (we're, lol,) being oppressed by PZ Myers is just ridiculous.

If you've got a problem with the post, why don't you go have a talk with the good professor? They love...er...fresh meat on Pharyngula.

[Skip Intro]

10. Racist bs.

Grabbing some image of some idiotic white dude, and then using that image to start and then end a rant with some sarcastic slam against white people - "gentle white Europeans" - is as racist as anything I've read on these boards.

[EFerrari]

12. You've been unclear on this concept for a long time

and you're still unclear on it.

[Skip Intro]

16. On what point am I unclear?

[greiner3]

38. Dude;

Lighten up!

Look up the words, 'satire, irony and double entendre.'

[EFerrari]

67. In a nutshell, the OP was written by a white person

calling out a white racist by making fun of him.

You took that and read it as a slam against white people.

There was no racism involved in the making of that article except that of the white guy shown in the photograph with a racist sign.

[Son of Gob]

13. The author is white

[EFerrari]

9. That phrase was written by someone of white European descent

so you're best bet is to go after "whitey" for hating "whitey".

And after that, to figure out how racism works so you won't keep having these moments of panic.

[Skip Intro]

15. I don't care who wrote it.

And I don't need your direction on who to "go after," or what to think.

I know what I read. I know what it means.

I'm not up to playing the stupid games often found on this board.

Hopefully my honesty won't mar your experience here tonight.

But don't tell me what I must think and say, and within what parameters I must act.

I'll call it like I see it, thanks.

[sudopod]

20. lol nt

[snooper2]

58. Can I be offended with you?

I'm using my pointer finger and making stabbing motions at posts in this thread while mumbling something LOL

[Ikonoklast]

69. I ran outside and yelled at some clouds.

Not at the white clouds, mind you, only the dark ones.

Nothing of note happened.

Seems my being offended mattered not to them.



I'm now going to dress like a dork, make an offensive sign, and go stand in a public place.

That'll show 'em.

[pinboy3niner]

78. You'll need more appropriate shoes...

That'll show 'em!

[EFerrari]

68. If you don't care who wrote it, you can't understand what the writer

was doing, which was making fun of the racist with the sign.

[MrScorpio]

17. What's more problematic, criticism of racist whites like King...

Or the suggestion that it's up to people who are reaping the benefit of white privilege to do something about people like King?

In spite of your objection in which you think that all whites are being slammed, including yourself, the fact remains that all whites are beneficiaries of white privilege, whether they want to be or not.

And I should point out that the biggest and most pervasive benefit of that privilege is the mere fact that white people can simply deny that it exists, or they as individuals are beneficiaries of it.

I mean, take a good look at this guy:



Can you say that you yourself can gather all the white people that you know who are well aware of their own privilege and talk to him in an effort to convince him that he's wrong?

Because that's exactly what it's going to take in this country to advance the cause of equality: People of privilege are first going to have to admit and realize that they're privileged and second, are required to spread the word to others in their class of the same thing.

It starts with oneself and moves on from there.

[Skip Intro]

19. You know, as a white male who is fighting foreclosure, without insurance, on food stamps, trying to

eek my way by week after week, I'm a bit fucking sick of hearing about white privilege.

And judging a group of people by their race is the very definition of racism.

I sometimes wonder what the fuck is wrong with some people on this board.

[sudopod]

22. "I sometimes wonder what the fuck is wrong with some people on this board."

I know, right. :p

[Chan790]

26. You know who else is a bit fucking sick of white privilege?

People victimized by white privilege.

[Union Scribe]

28. So is it your opinion that Skip Intro

is privileged? Victimizing anyone?

[Chan790]

66. It is my opinion:

• that as white people, we reap privilege every day all day whether we want to recognize that it is happening. Go back into that sentence and you can replace white with {straight, cisgendered, male, ...} and it's no less true.
• that we all have a responsibility as the beneficiary of privilege to try to recognize and confront that privilege where it occurs.¹
• that beneficiaries of privilege that say things like "I'm tired of hearing about privilege" don't get it.
• that beneficiaries of privilege will probably never understand what it means to not be privileged or to be victimized by the privilege of another.

____________________________________________________________
^1[-Note that I didn't say we have to feel guilt for privilege when we did nothing to create our privileged status; too many conversations about privilege get bogged-down into debates about "guilt". There is a difference between addressing inequalities brought about by privilege and feeling guilty about that privilege where we did nothing to be privileged.

[hfojvt]

98. start with the first one

and try to not link to some stupid list from Tim Unwise.

What privilege have I, or Skip Intro reaped all day today?

I am curious, because I too, although not in nearly as dire straits as SI, find it absurd to call me privileged.

So go ahead, help me to recognize all the privileges I have.

I myself would say that people who talk about privilege and say that other people who are sick of it "don't get it" do not themselves get it. Get that it is insulting for a self-righteous person to tell a poor person that they have privileges.

[JonLP24]

99. I'm about as poor as you can get thatand still has a roof over my head

and I don't find it insulting at all. I think it is correct to say that those who don't get it, don't get it. It isn't only Tim Wise(real clever there) that recognizes this, watch "What would you do?" to see countless examples on camera where white people doing the same staged crime as black people doesn't nearly generate as much outrage, in one example 1 or very few people called the cops with white teens vandalizing a car while cops were called on black people sleeping in a car in the same park while the car was being vandalizing. I expect you're going to play semantics game with the word "privilege" whatever you want to call it, it is there.

[hfojvt]

100. So you don't find it insulting

you still have not said what privileges I have enjoyed today, especially since I did not vandalize any cars today (much as I may have wanted to). Maybe I have the privilege that if some white punks vandalize my car nobody will call the cops.

If "it" is there it sorta makes a difference whether one calls "it" a "privilege" or calls it a "bowling ball" because words should "offer the means to meaning, and to those who will listen, the enunciation of truth."

I am listening. I have a bowling ball. I can go find it underneath my summer bed. Show me where my privileges are. Name just two of them that you think I have.

[JonLP24]

101. You ignored the part

where the cops were called on the black men sleeping in a car. See you're far less likely to be profiled or suspected of wrong doing for no reason. Anyways that was just one of many examples where many are either racist or sub-conscious racist and that translates to all areas of life.

[Tsiyu]

48. And your situation is JUST like

being gunned down in the street because of the color of your skin.

Same kind of oppression, I'm sure...

And if you were to be gunned down in the strret in cold blood because of the color of your skin, could I get on DU and complain that that is JUST like me having a hard time paying my bills?





Amazing. Really.

[uponit7771]

61. You're denying the FACT that your opertunities are great because your white...

...that's your privilege

[Spazito]

77. There is a difference between racial discrimination and class discrimination, imo

Class discrimination is the 99% versus the 1%, the 99% (yes, I get that it is less than 99% but it is useful to use it in trying to show the difference) are suffering financially because we have class discrimination, the poor being discriminated against and exploited by the wealthy 1%.

Racial discrimination is being discriminated against because of the color of one's skin even before class discrimination kicks in on top of the racial discrimination.

[Marrah_G]

81. It could be worse

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You could be a black man, fighting foreclosure, without insurance, on foods stamps, trying to eek your way by every day.

I am poor and white also, but female. I know that my life has a few less stresses in it then a black woman in my same circumstances.

That is what privilege means. It doesn't mean we are privileged, as in rich, by being white. It means our lives are easier then someone of a different race in exactly our same shoes.

I once thought it meant the same thing you think it means, I was wrong then, as you are wrong now.

[hfojvt]

102. What if you are wrong now?

Privilege means "special benefit". A benefit is a relative thing. It needs to be relative to all of society. Is it really reasonable for example, for a black man who isn't fighting foreclosure, who has insurance and isn't trying to eke by every day to point to that much worse off white person and tell him he has "white privilege"? Is it reasonable for white people who are better off, to tell the person worse off that they have "white privilege"?

Secondly, are you sure that a white person in the same circumstances is going to be better off than a black person in the same circumstances? I just looked at some resumes today. Resumes are scored by HR based on education and experience. The top scores get interviews. But then some other people are put on the list for interviews even though they have lower scores. They are put on the list because they are minorities. One thing that might help somebody who is struggling would be a job, particularly a good job, like the one I am interviewing (okay, it is only sorta good. Decent hourly rate, but no benefits and spotty hours, but a leg up in this organization. It seems, in today's actual fact, that a black man in the same circumstances would actually have an advantage there over a white man with the same education and experience.

If somebody is at the 10th percentile, it is absurd to say that they are privileged because they have an easier life than some others at the tenth percentile. The reality is that they have a harder life than 90% of the population - and that is not a privilege.

[Marrah_G]

104. I don't believe I am

I do not have to deal with the added pressures that racism adds to the life of a black woman who has the same same means as I do.

[hfojvt]

105. even if that was true

1. calling that a 'privilege' makes it sound like you feel you should have to deal with those added pressures
and
2. most of society has greater means than you do, and deals with fewer pressures. Why should the 90% with fewer pressures be less relevant than the 3% with slightly greater pressures?

[Marrah_G]

106. If you don't believe that it is true... I'm not sure where the conversation can go from there

1: Call it whatever you want, what I think is that she should not have to deal with it, but I acknowledge that she does.
2: ignoring inequality does nothing to work towards change.

[hfojvt]

107. it makes a difference what you call it

If you tell me "black women face discrimination" then I am ready to fight by your side to end such unfair nonsense. If, instead, you point at me, and say "you are privileged" then I will point right back with my own overused finger and get ready to fight against you.

2. with this whole discussion we seem to be ignoring the income inequality in favor of looking at racial or gender or sexual orientation inequality. Now, we are not the 99%. We are the 53% and the 13% and the 10%. And worse yet, I am supposed to look at Oprah and Tiger and Ellen Degeneres, members of the 1%, and be all upset about how oppressed they are compared to my own privilege.

[Union Scribe]

27. Why telling working class white people they're privileged is counterproductive:

1. It insults them by insinuating any success they've managed to get is just because of their race. Apparently what some liberals think of white men is the same as what the GOP thinks of minorities in college or the workplace: they didn't earn it.

2. It insinuates further that those without success, like the person you're trying to browbeat in this thread, must have something wrong with them because they've squandered this huge advantage of whiteness and still aren't successful.

3. By doing the above, you alienate white workers and insist that they aren't a part of the same struggle you are, because they're, after all, part of the problem.

4. By doing so, the only possible result is bad feelings and division amongst the 99%, which ultimately serves the purposes of those actually enjoying privilege, who love the fuck out of it when the peons segment themselves.

5. Collective guilt is for the pukes. Your insistence that each white person is somehow responsible for "spreading the word" about how shitty they should feel is idiotic. The white working class is no more responsible for "privilege" than any other member of the working class.

The people posting on DU, whatever their color, are not the people keeping anyone down, and asking them to bear the weight of that is wrongheaded.

Edit: I just had to add in response to

And I should point out that the biggest and most pervasive benefit of that privilege is the mere fact that white people can simply deny that it exists, or they as individuals are beneficiaries of it.

Don't you think it's a wee bit condescending to presume to tell perfect strangers what THEIR experiences have been in life? To presume that YOU know better how people have treated them, or why? People sometimes, very vocally, wonder aloud why the response to such blanket allegations is sometimes itself vocal, well that's why. No one likes some screen name online tell them how cake their life has been.

[MrScorpio]

30. Obviously, we're having a difference of opinion here.

C'est la vie.

[RZM]

32. Interesting points

There's a reason that arguments about white privilege are less effective once you start getting into specifics. Because when you ask believers how being white can magically lead to financial success, there isn't much that they can say. If you don't have the skills, the connections, or the education needed to get a good job, you're not going to have a good job, no matter what color you are. Let me know when Goldman Sachs starts hiring 'C' students straight out of high school just because they are white.

[HiPointDem]

43. I think the response would be that white privilege doesn't guarantee you'll get hired at goldman,

just that you'll be hired somewhere more often than the black guy will, even if it's only at McDonald's.

But you can't blame people in that position for thinking it's not much of a privilege.

[uponit7771]

62. RIGHT!!! It's not leaps and bounds but it might be a hand up and sometimes that's all that is needed

[KamaAina]

79. White privilege is all about the access to education and connections

That's how it works.

[Union Scribe]

90. Tell it to Marrah_G, you guys can't even agree on what privilege is. nt

[MrSlayer]

36. This is pure gold.

You should consider making it an OP.

Well done.

[EFerrari]

80. Yes, comedy gold.

The author should consider developing it into a whole five minutes and taking it around to open mics.

[MrSlayer]

86. Disagree.

Points three four and five are quite correct. Racism is the means by which the owners keep us fighting among ourselves instead of fighting the real enemy, them. They hate the white working class as much as they hate any minority but they are happy to use them as pawns in the greater game. And in far too many cases these fools are happy to play along as long as they get to be superior to someone. It's quit insidious and sadly effective.

[EFerrari]

88. Um, in order to agree with Union Scribe you would have to adopt a "white" viewpoint.

And in asking people to do that, s/he is replicating at least one part of the problem of racial discrimination in this country.

I don't understand how that is so elusive to so many posters here.

Class and race are both a means of oppression and yes, the dynamics of each share mechanisms. But they are not the same and to treat them as the same is to enact the viewpoint of the 1%. I don't believe you or Union Scribe would wish to do that.

[Union Scribe]

89. I have a worker's viewpoint, not a "white" viewpoint.

Being half PI, Polynesian, I don't visually pass for white even though that's what I usually have to fill out on forms. It just pisses me off that white liberals are being put to the side like they're some domesticated version of their evil kind. It's your sort of leap to assumptions that I have a problem with, assuming people's motives and life experiences when you don't know anything about them.

[EFerrari]

93. But notice, I didn't leap to any assumption.

I drew a conclusion based on your argument that is here in words and I added that I didn't believe you intended the logical consequence of that argument.

In fact, in the post I'm responding to , YOU leaped to an assumption that turns out to be incorrect.

[Union Scribe]

95. The entire premise of your argument is an assumption

about the life experiences and stories and struggles of others. And yes, your attempt to "get" me as just some defensive whitey failed but it was attempted and was based in flawed assumptions.

[EFerrari]

96. Nope. I just disagreed with you that a race or ethnicity based viewpoint

was not a valid one.

I made not a single assumption about you at all. And I have zero interest in "getting" you, either.

[HiPointDem]

103. How is the poster treating them as the same and how do you figure that the ruling class views

them as the same?

Again, serious question.

[HiPointDem]

41. I'll add another point: This conceptualization of "white privilege" actually disappears its main

beneficiaries.

I don't deny that there's something like "white skin privilege" that applys to white americans generally, as well as something like "black skin disprivilege" that we see in cases like Trayvon Martin's.

But in the place of a more pointed analysis, the idea of "white privilege" offers a narrative of diffuse collective guilt, not necessarily for *doing* anything in particular, but just for being born white. That provides lots of fodder for serious racists and nazis and is in that sense seriously counter-productive. So lets look a little deeper.

Profits from the slave system built the elite universities and financed the industrial revolution and the railroads, generating more profits which continue to finance the expansion of capital in the present day. And the people who profited, and continue to profit from that capital, aren't, by in large, your average working joe. They're today's upper classes. But we're not often encouraged to think about those connections.

Some examples of what I'm talking about:

Brown Brothers (now Brown Brothers Harriman) made bank on slavery -- major cotton broker, financed plantations, owned slaves as tradeable goods. Offices in NY, Baltimore, Liverpool and Philadelphia -- all locations related to the trade in slaves and slave-produced goods. The slave system generated vast wealth for the partners. They invested it and made more money, and their descendants after them, and new partners (like Prescott Bush) that came into that nexus of capital.

Do THESE people accept any guilt, any charge of "white privilege"? Not at all:

Donald Murphy, a partner, says the investment bank has no pre-Civil War records and sees no need to go through its records. "As an institution, I and my partners could look you in the eye and say we abhor that slavery ever existed in this or any other country. And yet I don't feel qualified to comment on practices and actions of a different society of 175 years ago," he says.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2002/02/21/slave-brown-bros.htm

Nothing to do with *him*. All so long ago.


A couple of other random examples (there are many):

The Roosevelts' initial fortune came from the sugar business, back in the days of Dutch NY and colonial times. Slaves in the west indies grew the cane, and slaves in NY (about 20% of NY's population at the time) refined the sugar.

Isaac Roosevelt helped found the Bank of NY with the profits, and that bank undoubtably financed other slave-related ventures. Bank of NY was the first corporate stock traded on the NY stock exchange.

The Bushes benefited from slavery through their ancestors, the Fays. Prescott Bush's grandpa James married Harriet Fay. Her father was a Savannah cotton broker, and so were two of his brothers; the house was Padelford and Fay, circa 1820-1858. It was a US agent for Baring Brothers, which at the time was the second-biggest financial house in the world. The Quaker Barings had made a lot of their money financing -- what else -- the slave trade.

There's even a bit of evidence that the Fays themselves might have had some involvement in the slave trade.

For example, the Wanderer was the last known ship to bring slaves to the US. Harriet Fay Bush's uncle Joseph Story Fay acted as agent and guarantor for Charles Lamar (the ship's owner) when the ship was seized -- and the Fays and Lamars had personal and business connections that went back to Charles Lamar's grandfather.

The Fays were originally from Massachusetts. The family got involved in business in Georgia (steamboats and shipping to begin with) at about the same time that their cousin Eli Whitney (Yalie and second cousin of Harriet's great grandpa Jonathan, both born in the same town of under 1000 people) started ginning cotton there.

The cotton gin "boomed" the South, and those who got in on the action early, as usual, did best. The Fays invested their cotton profits in the northern textile industry and railroads, among other things.

James Smith Bush's marriage to Harriet Fay connected the Bushes to national and international business interests, rather than the merely regional ones they'd been associated with up to then. I peg it as the beginning of their rise to real power.

Samuel Prescott Bush was the next generation, associated with railroads, Rockefellers, and Harrimans, chair of the War Industries Board and a board member of the Federal Reserve of Cleveland. Quite a leap for a preacher's son -- all due to his native talent, I'm sure.

Ever hear the Bushes apologizing for their white skin privilege? People like the Bushes have the privilege of never having to apologize for their privilege.

White skin privilege? No, they're the civil rights leaders of our time!


“And education outcomes is the distinguishing feature between the haves and have-nots. I would argue that education reform should be the great civil rights challenge of this time.”

http://www.theshorthorn.com/index.php/news/university/29772-former-florida-governor-jeb-bush-discusses-educational-reform-and-politics


There's a reality to "white privilege," just as there's a reality to "pointy-headed elites," but the way those concepts are used in popular discourse often has the effect of maintaining the divisions of the slave system.

[Tsiyu]

50. Always about the money.....

A black child was gunned down in the street in cold blood because of the color of his skin.

But it's REALLY about how white people aren't making enough money....


okay....

[Ikonoklast]

72. Well, John King agrees with you.

Check out his website, you'll see a lot of the very same rhetoric expressed in your post.

http://www.savewhitepeople.com/

You are in good company.

[Marrah_G]

83. Privileged does not mean rich

What it means is that by the color of our skin we have it easier then a person of color who has exactly the same circumstances in life as we do.

[HiPointDem]

46. I'm not convinced that this badly-dressed man is hindering the cause of equality in any way. He

doesn't seem to be the kind of person most people would want to be associated with. Does he have any power, does he have an organization behind him, or is he just an isolated doofus? If he's just a doofus standing out there silently with his silly sign, I don't see the point in "gathering a bunch of people" and "convince him he's wrong." Why? After I convince him (assuming I could convince him by talking, which I couldn't), what will have changed? How will the cause of equality have advanced?

Second, who do you mean by "people of privilege"? White people, or something else?

[Aerows]

55. "Or the suggestion that it's up to people

who are reaping the benefit of white privilege to do something about people like King? "

Would that be "all white people", "all white men", or "all white straight men"?

Statements like that aren't helpful to the DU community.

[vaberella]

34. And EVERY single Black American and Afro Caribbean person is of the same descent.

Or has it in some way shape and form in their family line. And it was fuckin' far from gentle on our part. Your statement is a assholery thing to say. If you can irrevocably claim that your ascendants didn't take part in the massacre of Native Americans, displacement of African peoples and then their subsequent rape and massive deaths...then the statement in the commentary is 100%. Don't get me wrong. My great granddad of European loved my great grandmother and they were together. But before him to the other Europeans in the family....love wasn't really no.1

This is not an insult on you or your person. Our European ancestors were far from gentle with our African ancestors and that is no lie.

[HiPointDem]

44. I think white privilege refers to privilege in the present by virtue of having white skin, not to

the past privilege of raping, etc.

Thus the poster is sick of hearing about white privilege because he doesn't feel privileged now, whatever his ancestors may or may not have done.

[vaberella]

51. Nope.

That's not how I understood it. They specifically went around defending their ancestors and from what I can see their actions. The commentator in the article was being snide in his statement of how gentle european ancestors where...focusing on the historical and this poster went along with it and took it to another level. As though he was targeted because he was a white male...not taking into account the historical element the writer of the article was talking about properly especially since Black Americans and afro-caribbeans were have forced on European ancestry.

[HiPointDem]

53. I'm talking about the meaning of the term "white privilege". Which remains the same whether

the poster talked about his ancestors or not. He also said he was fighting foreclosure and didn't feel privileged.

[sudopod]

5. A real bumpercrop of this kind of thing in the last 24 hours.

Is there a full moon out?

Also, PZ ftw.

[EFerrari]

7. Cool bug. We posted at the same time

and both responses became #2.

[maddezmom]

42. No, just hating on this dudes racist bullshit protest sign

indeed.

[fishwax]

70. no, not really n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Calling rank racism does not equal hate.

[LadyHawkAZ]

8. Er... help help?

Because I wear a hoodie 6 months of the year and no one's shot me? HELP! A little equality over here!


Seriously?

[Shampoobra]

11. He probably lost a bet

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"Okay, it's agreed: If I lose, I'll wear the dildo on my head while proposing to my grandmother. But if you lose, you have to dress like a complete dork and protest the persecution of the white race - yes, in public."

[EFerrari]

14. LOL.

[Son of Gob]

23. Kinda reminds me of Die Hard 3

Maybe this guy is a cop who killed a terrorist's brother and the terrorist threatens to blow up a school if he doesn't run around town on a wild goose chase while the terrorist steals gold from a massive government vault.

[treestar]

18. They insist they aren't racists in the same breath in which they say something

totally racist.

A "ghetto hoodlum?" That's how this idiot defines all black teens.

[Nostradammit]

21. Nice socks.

[MattBaggins]

57. They are the finishing touch to the jorts with loafers.

[Arugula Latte]

87. He's dorktastic!

[Spacedog1973]

24. I want me some of that black loafer n grey sock combo

going on. The over tight golf shirt and the grey curtain cotton shorts wedged between his pale racist buttocks, is enough to turn most ladies on. That blonde jabber-the-hut swagger, the bumfluff mouthhole and the pig eyes hiding behind laboratory glasses, lends credence to my theory that racist DNA is on the wane.

[progressoid]

59. heh heh heh.

[Skittles]

25. embarrassing

[HiPointDem]

29. has to be psyops. cmon, pastel mid-calf socks with shorts and black loafers? it's like he dressed

to purposefully give the impression of a slovenly, pasty-faced, overweight low-IQ racist.

I haven't seen anyone wear pastel socks with black loafers and jeans shorts for a very long time, maybe never. even people of the white racist persuasion wouldn't want him representing their crowd. he's dressed as a cliche.

[RZM]

31. Unfortunately, on this board

'Psyops' means:

'The act of doing something I don't like in the name of a cause I do like.' So by definition this cannot be psyops

BTW, I don't think it is. It think it's an unfortunate-looking man with nothing better to do with his time.

[HiPointDem]

37. my comments were mostly tongue in cheek. but it's possible!

and as another poster said, this kind of thing forces people to take sides. and this guy is an easy target, easy to hate on, as they say. cause he looks weak and stupid and unfashionable.

[Quantess]

47. No way! He's a fashion plate.

Look out, Zoolander. Here comes a clothes horse.

[KamaAina]

85. You may have a point there.

The tipoff: There are no FReeper-type misspellings like "offical language".

[MrScorpio]

35. Bigots like this guy perform a basic and important service...

They force people to take sides.

It's in the response and by whom that's the most salient thing.

[DonCoquixote]

39. Racists of either stripe are idiots

Both the fellow in the photo and the one writing the article are of the same stripe, people who want to feel smug because they have nothing to be smug about.

On the other hand, while the vast majority of "European Americans" are just as screwed as everyone else is, there is a faction that does not realize this, and tries to attack brown people. If I, being Latino, can acknowledge that there are plenty of idiots in my race (which there are) the Euro americans can acknowledge the racist idiots on their side of the fence.

[baldguy]

40. White people DO need saving - from ideas & attitudes of guys like this.

[JoePhilly]

45. Its nice when racists like this guy self-identify. My iPhone doesn't have an app for that, yet.

[Chorophyll]

52. Lol.

Yes, his entire get-up is nature's way of saying "run away, run away!"

[JoePhilly]

75. Isn't that the truth ... even without the sign, his "look" screams serial killer.

[Ganja Ninja]

49. Something tells me this guy was picked on so much in school ...

He suffers from a permanent wedgie.

[Javaman]

56. Fashion challenged dumb ass. nt

[dont h8--appreciate]

60. Wow, Einstein

All the people out there dressed so fly are geniuses. Nice superficiality, my man.

Dumbass is such a classy and intelligent term, too.

[Javaman]

63. So you are equating this guy with being a genius?

you said it, not me.

So you support his position?

[pinboy3niner]

64. He's dead, Jim

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=283089&sub=trans

[Javaman]

65. Ah, thought as much...

I was hoping to draw him out a bit more. They are such easy targets.

Cheers!

[maundy thursday]

71. Man, is your brain wired so narrowly

that you honestly think it's either/or? I don't even know WTF this is about. The OP didn't exactly do anything except spew victimization and divisiveness. Chances are I would disagree with him but I haven't a clue what he is protesting.

You called him a dumbass and mentioned his lack of fashion sense. Who cares how someone dresses? That is too shallow for me but says a lot about your consciousness at the moment.

[Javaman]

73. So you are back for more, huh?

LOL you guys are easy targets.

[Taverner]

74. From themselves, yeah!

White people need saving from their ignorance and their indifference

[Blue_Tires]

82. what's that URL on the poster?

[pokerfan]

84. savewhitepeople.com

From yayfeminism.tumblr.com:

I visited that website. “savewhitepeople.com”

It is completely disgusting. Here are some of their views on feminism:

“The position of radical feminism, a poisonous jewish + CIA concoction is that men and women are really one and the same except for a few differences in ‘plumbing’. They would contend that masculinity and femininity are societal created constructs taught to toddlers and school age children in their formative years. “

“But the ultimate goal of feminism is to be an adjunct to the ongoing plan of White Genocide.”

“Too many of our young women will go their graves as carpet munching spinsters — never having known the great joy of raising children — because of this feminist crap taught to them on TV and in college (Womyn’s studies). But our women are also falling victim to race mixing propaganda.”

http://yayfeminism.tumblr.com/post/20413518640/i-visited-that-website-savewhitepeople-com-it

[edbermac]

91. Yeah, let's call Jerry Lewis and get a telethon going.

[BiggJawn]

92. He left Virginia for Indiana because Virginia wasn't racist enough. Great.

Just. Fucking. Great.

Ain't bad enough we got plenty of home-grown racist Larry-the-Cable-Guy wannabees in this state, now they're immigrating from other places...

[Catherine Vincent]

94. Look at the black guy in the background

Probably gave him the evil eye as he passed him. LOL.

[sudopod]

97. Everyone getting mad at PZ Myers should go over to his blog and tell him about it.

They LOVE chew toys^H^H^H^H^H^H new people. :p