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Wow. Germany 2-0 over Brazil in only the 22nd minute. This is going to be painful.
Now 5-0.
Looks like it will be Germany v. Argentina in the finals.
Final score: 7-1.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)3-0
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)4-0 now at 26 minutes.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)never seen a defence fall apart that much from a well known team.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)This is awful.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)5-0
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I don't follow soccer much, but I do know this big a gap so early is almost unheard...especially against a team making it to the world semis...yeesh!
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)and Thiago Silva is out due to two yellow cards, but still.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Even the US kept it closer and without Neymar and Silva Brazil is still better than the US
maced666
(771 posts)This is a national humiliation for them. 5-0. This country got crushed and will be crushed for years to come over such a butt whipping as host, in front of entire world.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)No way will the FIFA Powers That Be allow two teams from Europe in the final...the calls tomorrow will be "interesting."
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Remember when you made fun of us for playing YOUR game?
Well, we did better against Germany than you did.
I bet you wish Tim Howard as your goalie...I bet you steal him next time.
YES, this is a GRAVE DANCE, and I hope the people made homeless by this laugh
underpants
(182,826 posts)Perhaps the most sickening thing for Brazil, writes Rat Soni on Twitter; they are eliciting pity from an American.
Also on Twitter, Spotlight confirms it: Its official! Soccer *is* a simple game in which 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/sports/worldcup/world-cup-brazil-vs-germany.html
maced666
(771 posts)I do hope the humiliation to stop sometime soon though, I'm actually beginning to feel bad for Brazil.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)OMG.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Schaenfruede
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Schadenfreude = unholy glee about other peoples' loss
edbermac
(15,940 posts)5-0 at a World Cup half is like 100-0 at a Super Bowl half.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)meow2u3
(24,764 posts)is also like a 15-0 rout at Game 6 of the World Series--after the end of the 4th inning!
underpants
(182,826 posts)4 goals in a 6 minute span wow. NY Times live blog couldn't post one of the goals before Germany scored another.
At the 25 minute mark
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/sports/worldcup/world-cup-brazil-vs-germany.html?_r=0
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)I thought this was the weakest Brazil squad I've ever seen and predicted a German victory, but who the hell saw this coming?
No matter how this turns out, it'll be epic.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)As someone who's been mourning the death of Jogo Bonito for many years now, I have no love for the man. It's hard to see what he could have done differently here, though.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)I thought they were overrated but this was ridiculous. My kid's club team had better defense.
I feel for the fans.
Comforting to know the US played Germany so much better.
malaise
(269,049 posts)but Brazil's defense was suspect from day one.
Hard to watch that humiliation.
mcar
(42,334 posts)They should have done better. I almost feel for them and certainly regret Neymar's injury. But they are a national team, not just two players.
They were a mess. What a shame.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Germany knows what it feels like. Check out the end of the Germany/Italy semi in Germany in 2006. Germany and their fans have paid their dues.
Still, four goals in six minutes? Abominable. Brazil's national team have essentially cheated their fans. Neymar Schmeymar. This is one of the worst Cup performances ever.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)It's really bad, and at home.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)My last hope is Argentina. Over to you, Messi
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)so no hats off to the EU. PSST, hey Renalydo, at least brazil got farther then Portugal!
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And that was with Italy, England and Spain doing poorly.
It's actually been North America, not SA, that has overperformed.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)and Portugal, Italy, all knocked out in the first round.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Hence why they played Germany in the quarterfinals
That makes 6 European teams (France, Germany, Greece, Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands), 5 SA, 3 from NA, 2 from Africa and zero from Asia = 16 teams
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I hadn't thought of the minor European teams like Switzerland and Greece.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)When the low profile European countries advance, people forget about them when the big ones falter.
But even with this, Europe is streets ahead due to the awful South American politics. The US did well because it was willing to take a foreign manager and give him a free hand. The SA countries would do so much better if they hired the best managers available rather than hire (and choose the squads) based on domestic politics. They have too much talent to go out like this.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)WTF does that mean? You ever hear about colonialism and neo-colonialism?
You do realize Brazil has won more World Cups than any other team, and at least one under Scolari.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)This is football politics.
Last World Cup they wasted Argentina by hiring Diego Maradonna. The greatest player ever but can't coach a lick. They hired him to play to the fans. They choose lineups to play to the fans. Scolari is a fossil. This isn't 2002. Hopefully Argentina won't pay for their selections, ie Romero over Willy Caballero (because Messi doesn't like Caballero).
20 years ago, this was fine. But now football is so much more about organization at the back. They need to stop picking managers and players based on sentimentality, and who played where, and who dissed whom, and who pissed off the superstar players, etc. That's the politics of football.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I'll grant you Maradonna. You're certainly right that Brazil has no organization. They depend far too much on their star players. What a humiliation. I first watched soccer when I lived in Brazil during the 1994 World Cup, their fouth time winning the title. I can only imagine how Brazilians will react to this. And now the players have to stay around for the third place game. I pity them.
maced666
(771 posts)Hee hee! Remembering all the jokes they made about our team this year - and every year before.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)A word that fits today...
Baclava
(12,047 posts)nice
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)which is under investigation.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and it was against Colombia, which by now has earned Brazil's eternal enmity.
maced666
(771 posts)and losing this or that star player when you are so good - or at least tell everyone how great you are -
Is not an excuse for 5-0 at halftime.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I asked her if she was still peeved at the Argies over the Falklands. She said No.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)hilarious indeed
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)It's just that the other side hasn't made it so easy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)eissa
(4,238 posts)Oh, no wait.....those are the tears of Brazilian fans
Holy shit, this is stunning. It's not even a game anymore, just an outright massacre. I fear the players are going to have to enter into the Witness Protection Program after this.
Oh well, as long as my beloved Argentina wins tomorrow, I'll be happy
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)if they know what's good for them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with getting humiliated by Argentina in the next game.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)But yes, a defeat to Argentina would be the worst for Brazil. Do they ever hate Argetnines.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Brazilians have American soccer fans pitying them.
Ouch.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)unblock
(52,253 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)In the second half, but it looks like Germany is hanging back a bit too.
Germany-Argentina would bear good final. I do hope they beat the diving Dutch.
mcar
(42,334 posts)What a mess.
JVS
(61,935 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Amazing to still perform at that level.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Bosonic
(3,746 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Submariner
(12,504 posts)[link:
|BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)I think that will be making the trip as well...
edbermac
(15,940 posts)The Bad News Brazilians, coming to a theater this summer!
underpants
(182,826 posts)Yikes
mcar
(42,334 posts)The Irish guy, is beside himself with disgust at how little Brazil is trying. I love that guy.
My husband just asked if there's a mercy rule in the World Cup.
edbermac
(15,940 posts)Think Germany is going for double digit win?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Don't tell Germany.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Still cheering down 7-0. Cheering on Germany.
Great fans. They deserved better from Scolari and co.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)7 at one blow.
ANYONE who foresaw this either:
a Is a psychic:
b Thought the rest of Brazil's team was composed of 10 subs:
but most likely
c Is lying
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)Bosonic
(3,746 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)are now cheering on the Germans.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)At least the artistry of it.
edbermac
(15,940 posts)If they only had another 90 minutes...
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)prep for Saturday?
Separation
(1,975 posts)Philately saw a special on HBO last week about the asian gambling racketeers moving into European soccer. They also talked about them getting into FIFA as well. Wouldn't be the 1st time a team took a dive for some $$$$.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)That's what they always say when they lose. No amount of money could orchestrate or even imagine a humiliation this great.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Just commenting on an HBO special about asian cartels fixing games in Europe. They have even claimed to fix some of the professional games. It only takes up to 3 to throw a game. Obviously getting the goalie in on it would help. Here is an article that hopefully works since I'm on my phone.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/sports/soccer/investigation-finds-suspected-fixing-in-680-soccer-matches.html
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)That's some 4th dimensional match fixing by Brazil.
Puh-leeez!
edbermac
(15,940 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Folha de S. Paulo
"Masacred"
"Brazil is again humiliated."
Alemanha destrói o Brasil com 7 a 1 e vai para sua oitava final em Copas do Mundo
"Germany destroys Brazil."
Jornal do Brasil
"Germany humiliates Brazil."
O Globo
"Humiliated, players ask for forgiveness for the shame."
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Best.National.Drink.Ever.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)That doesn't seem in keeping with the Brazilian character. And no way Bahians will miss the opportunity for a party, regardless of outcome.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I'd love to know the backstory there. Some say Dilma's re-election could be in jeopardy over this.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)but maybe then Ann Coulter and the right would learn to love futbol.
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minivan2
(214 posts)This game was amazing. I'm actually seeing the pros overpower the cons.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)"This won't be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety."
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)pretty sure I heard this right. Score was 4-0 at the time:
#1 - Germany gave up a 4-0 lead to Sweden, didn't they?
#2 - Yeah, but Sweden was good.
Oof!
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)They probably would have lost even had Neymar and Thiago Silva played. It was actually Brazil's defense that failed but the magnitude of the defeat will be portrayed in the press as a result of the absence of two top players.
I like Neymar even though he has a dopey looking haircut.
2banon
(7,321 posts)the only game I watched was last weekend between Argentina and Belgium.
I've never watched a soccer game before then. It was clear to me that both teams had brilliant players, but Argentina was just superior enough to keep Belgium from scoring a goal. Pundits said it was about working as a team. I'm not knowledgeable enough to weigh in on that.
And I'm really confused regarding how nobody scores by the end of the game, (0 to 0) but one team comes out the winner. Like in Holland and Costa Rica. Huh? I just don't get that.
I didn't get to see it, but I was cheering on the Dutch for family bias, but I didn't understand how they were declared the winner in that match.
My 5 year old granddaughter got to watch the game with family in Holland. She's smitten with whole soccer thing. Loves the camaraderie and enthusiasm and all that. gonna be interesting to see where that passion will lead to one day.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Tomorrow we will see who they face.
2banon
(7,321 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shootout#Football
And the Old Trafford-bound Van Gaals bold gamble in sending on Tim Krul for Jasper Cillessen just before the end of 120 at first excruciating, then absorbing and ultimately dramatic minutes had been seven weeks in the making.
That is how long the imposing Newcastle United goalkeeper had been studying the penalty takers of the other teams in the competition. The scheme, cooked up by Van Gaal with the goalkeeping coach, Frans Hoek, was based on cold, hard logic.
With the plan kept secret from the other players, Krul was taken aside shortly before kick-off to explain that he would be called on if the match went to penalties. Krul had saved two penalties of his last 20. The 25-year-old Cillessen had saved none of the 16 faced in his career.
As Costa Ricas exhausted players lined up on the halfway line on their knees and Hollands put their arms round one another, Krul began psyching out each opponent by telling them he knew where they would put the ball. And he did, going the right way every time.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/06/holland-coast-rica-world-cup-quarter-final-matchreport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_FIFA_World_Cup
After the 1928 games, FIFA held a "consolation tournament" for a few of the unlucky teams that didn't strike gold.
If this whole affair wasn't bizarre enough, hosts Netherlands faced Chile in the final and the visitors were impudent enough to score an 89th-minute equaliser to claim a 2-2 draw, which obviously then meant there was a requirement to decide who had won this invented, phony trophy. With the concept of the penalty shootout still some years away and nobody really with the inclination to stage a replay, the drawing of lots was employed -- and would you believe it, the Dutch hosts came up trumps. However, possibly out of embarrassment about this whole farcical hoopla or alternatively plain-old good sportsmanship, they graciously awarded the cup to Chile; presumably accompanied by a patronising pat on the head.
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/world-cup-central/59/post/1908076/football-matches-decided-randomly
2banon
(7,321 posts)Just like everything else.. i guess the laws of the universe is corruption rules everything. amazing that's it's so revered.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)We only lost to Germany 1-0.
mcar
(42,334 posts)We look quite good in comparison.