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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:29 AM Jul 2014

Americans Have Spent Enough Money On A Broken Plane To Buy Every Homeless Person A Mansion

Just days before its international debut at an airshow in the United Kingdom, the entire fleet of the Pentagon’s next generation fighter plane — known as the F-35 II Lightning, or the Joint Strike Fighter — has been grounded, highlighting just what a boondoggle the project has been. With the vast amounts spent so far on the aircraft, the United States could have worked wonders, including providing every homeless person in the U.S. a $600,000 home.



It’s hard to argue against the need to modernize aircraft used to defend the country and counter enemies overseas, especially if you’re a politician. But the Joint Strike Fighter program has been a mess almost since its inception, with massive cost overruns leading to its current acquisition price-tag of $398.6 billion — an increase of $7.4 billion since last year. That breaks down to costing about $49 billion per year since work began in 2006 and the project is seven years behind schedule. Over its life-cycle, estimated at about 55 years, operating and maintaining the F-35 fleet will cost the U.S. a little over $1 trillion. By contrast, the entirety of the Manhattan Project — which created the nuclear bomb from scratch — cost about $55 billion in today’s dollars.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/09/3458101/f35-boondoggle-fail/

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Americans Have Spent Enough Money On A Broken Plane To Buy Every Homeless Person A Mansion (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 OP
it's mission to raid the US treasury has been spectacularly successful nt msongs Jul 2014 #1
That's the beauty of working with other people's money. merrily Jul 2014 #9
Yep. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #19
The beauty of it is RobertEarl Jul 2014 #2
That is some overwhelming... um, can't think of a good word. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #3
"Bullshit" is the word that comes to mind. Initech Jul 2014 #44
Yah well the Australian Government... uriel1972 Jul 2014 #4
There's always money for war, er, defense. merrily Jul 2014 #8
USA! USA! USA! progressoid Jul 2014 #5
Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #6
And many, in government and out, are perfectly fine with that fact. merrily Jul 2014 #7
Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2014 #10
About the A10 hootinholler Jul 2014 #38
The A10 is a superb Sherman A1 Jul 2014 #40
Obama asks for an additional $65 billion for DOD Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #11
If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... Scuba Jul 2014 #12
+1 xchrom Jul 2014 #14
The 0.0001%'s Capital. Amonester Jul 2014 #18
excellent marmar Jul 2014 #33
If our people are healthy, educated, and confident IronLionZion Jul 2014 #48
du rec. xchrom Jul 2014 #13
IMO Mr Dixon Jul 2014 #15
There's still no adult supervision at the Pentagon. Gumboot Jul 2014 #16
Maybe because there is no adult supervision in Washington. n/t tjl148 Jul 2014 #46
Another irony locks Jul 2014 #17
Or a 100,000 home and a half million in the bank. progressoid Jul 2014 #20
Co-Designer of the famous F-16 explains why the F-35 is a failure and a dumb idea (10 min vid) A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #21
This is worth the watch IDemo Jul 2014 #26
"Priorities." blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #22
Good thing... Bohemianwriter Jul 2014 #23
Ever read Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse"? SomethingFishy Jul 2014 #24
Why would the government buy Jenoch Jul 2014 #25
I think the intent of the headline was to make a point about the exorbitant waste IDemo Jul 2014 #29
I get annoyed by Jenoch Jul 2014 #37
Kick. Agschmid Jul 2014 #27
now THIS…. dhill926 Jul 2014 #28
Excellent, practical perspective... Blue Owl Jul 2014 #30
Since we are not suppose to have a standing Army, i have the solution randys1 Jul 2014 #31
It's part of a cunning plan actually Turbineguy Jul 2014 #32
On the small group I host for Appalachia... theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #34
ah... tomm2thumbs Jul 2014 #35
have to agree marions ghost Jul 2014 #36
K&R. Thank you. woo me with science Jul 2014 #39
Sad K&R. Overseas Jul 2014 #41
Kick for perfect framing:) grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #42
The DOD is the most overfed Sacred Cow in history. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #43
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #45
Freedom isn't free IronLionZion Jul 2014 #47
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. The beauty of it is
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:42 AM
Jul 2014

No one can be held accountable. What a system.

Anyway, to lie to you, I will say I am happy to trade my mansion for something like this. Why? Because when I die my mansion could actually house some immigrants. Instead, this plane can be used to make sure immigrants stay way long after I am dead.

Initech

(100,102 posts)
44. "Bullshit" is the word that comes to mind.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jul 2014

We seriously have no money to spend on fixing our infrastructure (which very badly needs to be done) but we have plenty of money to spend on unnecessary toys for the military industrial complex to play with. If that's not the definition of bullshit I don't know what is.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
4. Yah well the Australian Government...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:59 AM
Jul 2014

...Thinks it's so good they just laid down another 12 Billion, yes Billion dollars on them. Funny thing is they are cutting pensions etc. and telling us we all have to share the pain, because times are sooooo hard.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
10. Precisely
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:37 AM
Jul 2014

It is hard to argue against the need to modernize except when there is no need to modernize. F15, F16 and FA18's can all be upgraded, airframes & engines replaced and serve us very well for years to come. Certainly many are worn out, but they can be replaced with far lower development costs. A10's are singularly superb at what they do, but as I understand are being phased out.

The question comes, before we decide upon an aircraft, we have to decide upon who we are going to need to fight and frankly I don't believe that anyone can best our current generation of aircraft.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
40. The A10 is a superb
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 03:52 AM
Jul 2014

aircraft that may need a few tweaks here and there, but should be serving this country in the role for which it was designed for years to come. There is no need to phase it out or replace it, beyond replacing worn out airframes.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
11. Obama asks for an additional $65 billion for DOD
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:49 AM
Jul 2014

That total includes new requests to support European security over the short term and a new counter-terrorism fund that Obama says is necessary to help combat terrorists across the Middle East and Africa.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/barack-obama-afghanistan-war-108364.html#ixzz373MwcFFd

America's $1 Trillion National Security Budget

http://www.pogo.org/our-work/straus-military-reform-project/defense-budget/2014/americas-one-trillion-national-security-budget.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2015/assets/28_1.pdf

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
12. If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:11 AM
Jul 2014

... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

IronLionZion

(45,528 posts)
48. If our people are healthy, educated, and confident
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:54 AM
Jul 2014

they are harder to control. Its easier to keep them sick, ignorant, and fearful, then they'll believe it when you blame someone else for ruining their lives.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
15. IMO
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:19 AM
Jul 2014

It still amazes me that people still think the Homeless, children and middle class should be a top priority. When in history has this ever been the case? The DOD budget is high because of Fear Mongering and the fat cat lining their pockets Pretty simple IMO.

Gumboot

(531 posts)
16. There's still no adult supervision at the Pentagon.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jul 2014

Nor will there ever be.

The way so many of these 'defense' projects are handled is an absolute disgrace. Any private business operating like this would be out of business. But when there's an endless tsunami of taxpayer dollars greasing the wheels, efficiency and accountability go straight out o' the window.

I'd send in Alan Grayson and an auditing team ASAP.






locks

(2,012 posts)
17. Another irony
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jul 2014

much of this military equipment we've been so proud of is now being used against our and our allies' forces and civilians (when they work).

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
23. Good thing...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jul 2014

The cronies know their PRIORITIES.

Weapons and planes that doesn't work: fine!

A home to a homeless veteran: Socialist handout against the "American Values"....

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
24. Ever read Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse"?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jul 2014

He's got a whole book of dumb shit we spent billions on that never worked...

The story that stuck out for me was when the war in Iraq started, there was some concern in the Navy about "desert warfare". Not wanting to be left out of the "fun" the Navy spent some 10's of millions of dollars trying to figure out how to fire Marines out of torpedo tubes, you know so the Navy could be "involved".

This kind of shit really irks me. This is where my money is going? Right, guys are dying waiting to get an appointment to the VA but we have a shitload of Jets that can't fly! And Hundreds of tanks that the army didn't even want!

Something needs to change.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
25. Why would the government buy
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jul 2014

every homeless person a $600,000 home? It would make much more sense to buy them affirdqble homes, get them healthcare, and job opportunities.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
29. I think the intent of the headline was to make a point about the exorbitant waste
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jul 2014

I like to think that if saner people were in charge, the things you suggest would be taken care of.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
37. I get annoyed by
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jul 2014

comparisons such as this one.I hate the most the old "if you took _________ and put them end to end they would ________."

randys1

(16,286 posts)
31. Since we are not suppose to have a standing Army, i have the solution
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jul 2014

shut down the army, completely other than skeletal crews to maintain existing equipment, same thing for air force

maintain minimal Marines and Navy...never going to use them anyway assuming we never elect another idiot repub president

Now, the billions we dont spend on that, and the jobs lost, all are made up spending money on infrastructure

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
34. On the small group I host for Appalachia...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jul 2014

It was big news when the SOAR project received a grant of 1 millions dollars to help the underserved and underemployed people of Eastern Kentucky. I followed up with a post wondering about how many people could be helped at the price of just one fighter jet.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1272326

My god, this country has some really screwed up priorities. Sick, sick, sick in the pit of my stomach.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
35. ah...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jul 2014

but dontcha know the only way to truly, really ENJOY living in a mansion is to have earned it yourself !!! Such as by inheriting it from rich relatives, or from sending income overseas so it can't be taxed, or by screwing fellow Americans with cheap or dangerous products to reap a huge profit. Now THAT is the only way to earn and enjoy a mansion. By EARNING it the right way.

<chortle>



IronLionZion

(45,528 posts)
47. Freedom isn't free
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:51 AM
Jul 2014

Food, shelter, medicine, and education don't help much when you're dead, does it?



There's always money to kill people even if it means trillions in debt, but never enough to help people even if it will boost our economy through consumer demand.

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