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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFact and Reality Check: The so-called immigration border crisis is neither.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/10/the-so-called-immigration-border-crisis-is-neither.html"We have had an immigration crisis for a long time in the United States. Now we also have a humanitarian crisis. Its important we understand the distinctionand do something to solve both. Some clarifying facts are in order."
1. Central American children are fleeing their countries because of violence.
2. Central American kids are NOT fleeing their countries because of U.S. immigration policy.
3. Central American kids are also fleeing to, seeking asylum in, several other countries.
4. If American immigration policy were actually the draw, we would see an increase kids migrating from all countries, not just Central America. But the number of Mexican children coming here has decreased in recent years.
5. Republicans who attack Obama for not enforcing laws now dont want to enforce Central American refugee laws we have on the books.
"Its time to solve our crises, not stand in the way.
Republicans have been blocking legislation that would at least try to solve our nations immigration crisis. Now theyre blocking action that would address this humanitarian crisis as well. And that, frankly, is the only link between the twothat the Republican Party is consistently more interested in exploiting and attacking desperate human beings to score political points, rather than actually doing what these crises and our country demands. Its stunning that a party so responsible for creating military and economic havoc around the globe is so callous toward the human consequences of their policies and that conservatives who so regularly brag about American exceptionalism are so gravely hostile to people from around the world who want to come here."
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Explanations for all at the link.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,789 posts)This article will really get a rise outta my conservative friends!!
Thanks for the link.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The gop is seeking to craft a solution. That's a dangerous assumption.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)perdita9
(1,144 posts)I was listening to an interview on the radio where an 8 year old described being threatened by a gang. An adult gang. And I thought, "What's up with that? Why would an adult gang threaten an 8 year old with death?"
Then I realized, they would if they had a deal with coyotes who charge terrified parents $7,000 to transport the child to America. I'm beginning to wonder if a lot of this immigration traffic is just a way for coyotes and gangs to make money off of poor people.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)These children have very different needs from children whose parents were undocumented and who have lived in the US most of their lives.
These children will need some sort of adult mentoring, guidance, guardianship or foster care. You cannot live in the US as a minor without any legal guardian or person to care for you. Sooner or later you will be picked up by the police, and then there is a problem.
We have very limited facilities and staff for caring for children who have run away or who have been neglected or abandoned by their parents. A good number of children in foster care in our family are actually living with grandparents or aunts and uncles or other relatives.
The children need to be cared for on military bases because even in California, the juvenile detention system is not a good place for them. And there are not enough orphanages or foster homes. I'm shocked that so many DUers do not see the complexity of dealing with an influx of minors like this. You have to be 18 to enter into an enforceable contract in general. So we have to ask how these children, even the older teens, are supposed to get housing, rent a room, etc. And how will the majority of them keep out of trouble? Are they supposed to eat from garbage cans? Are their relatives assuming some of the have relatives in the US really able and willing to take care of the children? If we have 50,000 children so far this year, we could have 100,000 by the end of the year. That is about an increase of 35 - 40% of the children in foster care based on the numbers from 2012. It's a nightmare.
The law needs to be changed. If the gang problem in Central America is that bad, then it is an international problem. We also need to ask whether there is a link between CAFTA and this crisis in Central America, whether there is a link between Reagan's wars in Central America and what is going on now?
This is what will have to be done, but I doubt we have the national consensus to fund it:
One San Antonio-based group is on the front lines of the issue, providing free legal services to many of the unaccompanied children who have crossed the border.
That group is called the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services. One thing that RAICES does is provide counsel to undocumented children who, by law, are entitled to legal representation. The group receives no government funding and mainly relies on grants and donations.
RAICES executive director Jonathan Ryan said, every day, the group has attorneys that are consulting undocumented immigrants who are being sheltered by the federal government at Lackland Air Force Base.
"Our core set of services begins with education. We give the children a class called 'know your rights presentation' and it involves some posters with some information and photos to keep them engaged," said Ryan. "We explain to them their rights and their responsibilities to the immigration court, and that (their rights) continue even after they may be released from the shelter."
http://www.kens5.com/story/news/local/2014/07/11/san-antonio-group-provides-free-legal-service-to-immigrant-kids-at-lackland/12510255/
perdita9
(1,144 posts)And I agree with you the root source of the problem needs to be addressed and quickly. This situation isn't good for the children or for America.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Sorry to sound so cruel, but what is cruel is the conditions under which these children have to live when they come to the US.
This:
Were not seeing an uptick of unaccompanied undocumented kids from Central America showing up in Iowa. Theyre in dreadfully over-crowded and ill-equipped government facilities, deteriorating conditions that are why this is a humanitarian crisis within our own borders. Over the first 8 1/2 months of fiscal year 2014, 52,193 unaccompanied children have been taken into custody by the Border Patrol. Taken into custody. An increase in apprehensions of unaccompanied children is up 92 percent from last year.
. . . .
When a kid shows up at the border from Mexico or Canada, for instance, a Border Patrol agent has the legal authority to decide whether that child may be eligible to stay in the country. If not, the child is immediately handed over to officials from her or his home country. But the Wilberforce lawwhich was passed unanimously by both houses of Congressliberalized that requirement to say that after being detained at the border, children from non-contiguous countries be turned over to the United States Department of Health and Human Services to receive care and safe housing and then receive legal counsel, and child advocates who can help determine whether they qualify for asylum.
Republicans backed that law, and now they are the ones who dont want to enforce it but change it. GOP Rep. Raul Labrador of Idaho said the administration should immediately deport these children and families, which would be an open violation of the 2008 law. Democrats are balking at this idea. Hopefully President Obama will join them.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/10/the-so-called-immigration-border-crisis-is-neither.html
The law sounds humanitarian, but in reality it is extremely impractical and impossible to translate it into reality in a crisis situation such as this one. These children will basically live in refugee camps before long. Each of them needs an adult to sign for them, make sure they go to school, etc. So for the children the situation this law creates is not healthy.
And then, how can we know whether the children already belong to gangs. I am reminded of a family in my neighborhood that, many years ago, moved to another area to avoid the gangs for their early adolescent children. Guess what, the area into which they moved turned into a gang area. The family was nice so I doubt that their children were the cause of the change where they moved.
Some families try to take their children away from gangs only after the child has already been drawn into gang culture. Believe me. The last thing we need is to bring Central American gangs to America.
The law should be changed. We have a Republican House in Congress. It's up to them to take the responsibility that a party has when they are in charge of the House -- either fund decent housing and lots of social workers for these thousands of children (you can't just let these children in to roam the streets and try to get jobs or find schools for themselves) or change the law.
This is an international crisis that should be handled with the help of the UN.
Do you think we could find over 50,000 foster homes for these children?
Here are the numbers of children in foster care in 2012:
On September 30, 2012, there were an
estimated 399,546 children in foster care.
. . . .
During FY 2012, 254,162 children entered foster
care.
. . . .
During FY 2012, 241,254 children exited foster care.
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/foster.pdf#page=3&view=Children%20Entering,%20In,%20and%20Exiting%20Care
The statistics also show that 47% of these children in foster care are in "nonrelative" foster homes. That means no grandmother, aunt, uncle, etc. to care for the children.
These children from Central America would burden that already inadequately funded and overburdened system with children, many of whom do not even speak English.
If the total number of children coming from Central America over the course of this year is say 100,000, that will constitute maybe around 40% more children in the foster care system than were in it in 2012. Are we going to increase the hiring of social workers by 40%? Where are the children to go to school? If they are under 18, they cannot organize their lives for themselves. Someone has to be legally responsible for them. Each one is entitled to a lawyer. Have you thought about the cost of that?
Because this is an international crisis, I am suggesting that Obama use military funds to take care of these children and use facilities on military bases to house them, educate them, etc. This is an international crisis.
If the crime, etc. is that bad, perhaps the world needs to send UN Peacekeeping troops there to stop the gangs.
Here is a source describing a group that is dealing with the practical problems of accepting as refugees so many children.
One San Antonio-based group is on the front lines of the issue, providing free legal services to many of the unaccompanied children who have crossed the border.
That group is called the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services. One thing that RAICES does is provide counsel to undocumented children who, by law, are entitled to legal representation. The group receives no government funding and mainly relies on grants and donations.
RAICES executive director Jonathan Ryan said, every day, the group has attorneys that are consulting undocumented immigrants who are being sheltered by the federal government at Lackland Air Force Base.
"Our core set of services begins with education. We give the children a class called 'know your rights presentation' and it involves some posters with some information and photos to keep them engaged," said Ryan. "We explain to them their rights and their responsibilities to the immigration court, and that (their rights) continue even after they may be released from the shelter."
http://www.kens5.com/story/news/local/2014/07/11/san-antonio-group-provides-free-legal-service-to-immigrant-kids-at-lackland/12510255/
My husband reminds me that the British took in refugee children from Germany during WWII. It is a huge job. If the problems in Central America persist, we could have even more children coming into our foster care system. Social services are not America's strong point. We need to stem this crisis where it is beginning -- in Central America.
The countries involved are CAFTA countries -- Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. We need to review the economic conditions in those countries that may be giving rise to gangs. The answer is not to just knee-jerk respond in a partisan way. These children pose a much larger problem than some Americans want to think.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)not enforce it....... while suing him for......not enforcing laws?
How does that work? Someone in the media should ask and insist on an coherent answe.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The law is crazy too because it requires the US to give the children certain services but does not fund those services.
It is an international crisis and needs international solutions. Maybe UN troops to police the countries in order to quell the violence?
My husband reminds me that Britain took in refugee children from Germany during WWII. The children were sometimes taken in by families. I question whether enough American households will step forward to do that.
I think we should house the children on military bases. With a little research, I learned that some are being housed at Lackland in Texas.
One San Antonio-based group is on the front lines of the issue, providing free legal services to many of the unaccompanied children who have crossed the border.
That group is called the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services. One thing that RAICES does is provide counsel to undocumented children who, by law, are entitled to legal representation. The group receives no government funding and mainly relies on grants and donations.
RAICES executive director Jonathan Ryan said, every day, the group has attorneys that are consulting undocumented immigrants who are being sheltered by the federal government at Lackland Air Force Base.
"Our core set of services begins with education. We give the children a class called 'know your rights presentation' and it involves some posters with some information and photos to keep them engaged," said Ryan. "We explain to them their rights and their responsibilities to the immigration court, and that (their rights) continue even after they may be released from the shelter."
http://www.kens5.com/story/news/local/2014/07/11/san-antonio-group-provides-free-legal-service-to-immigrant-kids-at-lackland/12510255/
Children need to be sent back to their parents whenever possible -- especially the younger ones. The parents should not be permitted to come and pick up their children. That is a crazy idea. Where then do you house and feed the parents coming in to pick up their children?
If these are refugees, they should be cared and provided for under UN auspices, not just American ones. They should be cared and provided for according to some internationally agreed protocol. If one doesn't exist, we should see to it that one is agreed to.
littlemissmartypants
(22,840 posts)Should have a good attorney. Unfortunately, we have childism worldwide.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)them before we ship them back "home"......these are not serious solution people, they are political animals not worthy of debating.