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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPro Russian Rebels Boasted About Downing Plane (UPDATE 23 Americans On Board)
Victims were strewn up to 10 miles away from the crash site. Their nationalities were not immediately available, but Reuters reported 23 were U.S. citizens. German broadcaster RTL reported that 71 Dutch nationals were aboard. Nine British nationals and four French were also on the flight.
http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/17/malaysian-airliner-with-295-aboard-crashes-in-ukraine/12797183/
Pro-Russian rebels discuss the shooting down of the Malaysian Airlines airliner
Mashable has this from a Separatist leader:
KIEV, Ukraine As news broke of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 being downed in eastern Ukraine, the separatists shadowy commander with a pencil mustache issued a dark warning on social media.
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"We did warn you do not fly in our sky," he wrote.
And here is the video proving another 'bird' falling down, he continued. The bird went down behind a slagheap, not in a residential district. So no peaceful people were injured, Strelkov wrote, adding that there is also information about a Ukrainian military plane shot down.
However, Strelkov deleted the post when he found out it was actually a commercial jetliner carrying 295 innocent people not a military aircraft.
When Mashable called Alexander Borodai, self-declared prime minister of Donetsk People's Republic, to ask if the group was responsible for shooting down the plane, to which he responded: "Listen, we don't have these weapons (to down the 777)"
Then he hung up.
the rest:
http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-ukraine-russia-rebel/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link
https://twitter.com/GillesKLEIN/statuses/489875490102972417
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/17/1314630/-BREAKING-Malaysian-Boeing-777-Shot-Down-Over-Ukraine
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just UPDATED TO ADD THIS:
Did Ukrainian rebels really take credit for downing MH17?
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5913089/did-this-ukrainian-rebel-commander-take-credit-for-shooting-down-the
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Spokesman for Ukrainian armed forces tells BuzzFeed they cant reach MH17 crash site, under rebel control. Says rebels took MH17s black box
11:32 AM - 17 Jul 2014
https://twitter.com/mike_giglio/statuses/489840020082397184
MH17 fell in territory controlled by the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. A little while ago I heard ABC News reporter Ann Compton report on the radio that the separatists had secured the crash site (which is very large) and also that they had seized the plane's black boxes and sent them to Moscow.
There are now many other news reports on that. For instance:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/....
MH17 crash 3rd plane to go down in Donetsk region this week: http://usat.ly/WfA464 pic.twitter.com/xi3hgWoti3 USATODAY
1:53 PM - 17 Jul 2014
https://twitter.com/GillesKLEIN/statuses/489875490102972417
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And it was surface to air missile:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html
http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/17/malaysian-airliner-with-295-aboard-crashes-in-ukraine/12797183/
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Not even sure what this is, but I know that posting early and posting everything is the BEST way to be sure to get to the truth, eventually......
https://www.facebook.com/russiahandsoff/photos/a.1475496629333491.1073741828.1475320222684465/1515054392044381/?type=1&theater
Russia, hands off Ukraine
This is how the story about #MH17 developed:
1.On morning of June 17, pro-russian terrorists boast that they have captured ground-to-air missile "Buk" and show the pictures.
2. Terrorists shot down a plane and say that this is Ukrainian military transport aircraft AN-26.
3. All YouTube and pro-russian FB and Twitter communities celebrate this fact and distribute video of the burning plane.
4. Ten minutes later, there are reports that the downed aircraft - is passenger airliner Boing which belongs Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 with 295 people on board.
5. All pro-russian communities starts to cut news about captured ground-to-air missile "Buk" and news about Ukrainian AN-26 crash and delete videos.
Here is news from Russian propaganda channel about Ukrainian AH-26, but with photos of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 !!! - http://lifenews.ru/news/136801
https://www.facebook.com/russiahandsoff/photos/a.1475496629333491.1073741828.1475320222684465/1515054392044381/?type=1&theater
This article posted minutes after the crash claiming that "The rebels reported shooting down AN-26 plane in eastern Ukraine", supported by the video from the scene of Boeing 777 crash.
In case this article is deleted. This is webcache of it
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Atc3TPU2icpEJ%3Alifenews.ru%2Fnews%2F136801+&cd=1&hl=uk&ct=clnk&gl=nl
UPDATED 7/18/14
Igor Strelkov, the Russian spec ops agent in charge of the Donetsk Peoples Republic, who took credit yesterday for shooting down a plane, today is quoted in Russkaya Vesna (Russian Spring) as saying that (most of) the passengers on MH 17 had been dead for days. Link is in Russian, sorry. Google Translate doesnt make his word salad any less sensible, though.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405676334
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)If not, there should be.
ms liberty
(8,596 posts)kpete and babylonsister have been my most reliable news posters for more than 10 years now.. What would we all have done without them? Been horribly less informed, that's what!
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)We all know they're the only reliable source about the situation in the Ukraine!!!!
KNR
Cha
(297,655 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Thanks for the info.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)Such a terrible tragedy.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)... leads one to believe that it was the rebels who shot down the plane and killed those 295 people. The deleted social media post, the fact that they had the weapons that could do such a thing, and the fact that they've shot down several aircraft in the last week.
I know some people who cheered Putin's seizure of Crimea because it stuck it to those arrogant Western powers that are always interfering in other people's business, but if this is confirmed, this is something at a completely different level.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)Recommending!
Here's another interesting link from TASS this morning:
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741164
DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Militiamen of the self-proclaimed Donetsk Peoples Republic (DPR) brought down a military transport Antonov-26 (An-26) plane of the Ukrainian Air Force on the outskirts of the town of Torez, eyewitnesses said.
A missile hit the An-26, it fell on the ground and caught blaze, they said.
Oops.
William769
(55,147 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Spazito
(50,453 posts)Thanks for this, it is very informative.
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, kpete.
kpete
(72,014 posts)peace,
kp
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)to counteract some of the RT bullshit being pushed.
Sid
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Let me add one more thing that should be obvious:
The Ukranian government is not engaging in ANY antiaircraft activities and the reason is simple. The rebels have no planes. The only planes flying that could conceivably be considered pro-rebel are Russian. Ukraine does not want to shoot down Russian planes. That would be construed by Russia as justification for invading the entire rest of Ukraine. Ukraine is desperate to avoid giving Russia any such justification.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)What ideology would incite anyone here to support Putin? Wasn't their a similar brouhaha here over whether Assad used chemical weapons in Syria last year?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)It is negative nationalism against the US as described by Orwell. http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/nationalism.html
If your worldview mainly consists of "The US is bad and the root of all evil" then anything/anyone doing things seemingly against the US becomes someone/something to root for.
Obviously, that potentially puts you in a position of supporting some really ugly things, but those folks don't seem to care.