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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is the MOST important issue to you as a liberal?
I know we're not single-issue liberals, but my question is about how everyone seems to have that one most important thing. That's what I'd like to hear about from you.
As my screen name implies, mine is labor rights. It's not a self-serving stance because I view strong worker rights and high unionization levels as CRUCIAL to the functioning of our society and democracy as wages tend to make people participate in both the economy and elections. With strong labor rights and high unionization levels a person often just feels better, as minorities of any kind - and certainly women - are not only welcomed in our ranks, but they're paid exactly the same as everyone else. That's good for their pocketbook and their psyche inasmuch as they can actually feel like the FULL human beings that they are. When they feel complete they tend to want to involve themselves in the other things (politics, social advancement, etc) and that in turn makes us all better off.
I'm the proudest person owing directly to my union and what it does to treat ALL members equally. I already had my job, but there are two new females in our office (doing serious work, not some sexist assignment as a secretary), and my two best friends are other union reps, both black. So all of this equality has meant TONS for these folks, but it meant something even for me: I now have 4 terrific coworkers who get their jobs done well and who elevate the professionalism of our office. We all win. That's my plan for all offices everywhere; that's what liberalism does for me.
I can't say Democrats are markedly better on labor issues than Republicans; it's the difference between a slap on the face versus a fully-loaded M-16 emptied into my torso. But liberals in general are usually avid supporters of labor law modification, and for that I felt naturally aligned with them when I started considering myself to be one. Luckily for me almost 98% of my other issues also jive with the liberal movement, so I'm in luck!
What about you? What single issue is the most important to you, and why do you feel that your stance on it makes you a liberal?
nopubsorbds
(7 posts)Freedom of the individual to make their own decisions about their body and life, those who restrict that right are an enemy to freedom.
If one takes a look at those who do look to restrict individual freedom one would clearly see that they are the type of person a real liberal or progressive would never vote for.
But if one wants to restrict an individuals freedom and call themselves a Democrat, they are fee to do so but that still does not make them a democrat and they need to be exposed as the enemy of freedom they truly are.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)nopubsorbds
(7 posts)Are you really that obtuse or are you just trying to pick a fight?
If you do not understand the concept of individual freedom and the US Constitution then please say so. I would hate to think that people on this this site have the intelligence of a rock.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... or make a legitimate point. You provided no examples of intrusion into civil liberties.
Try this: with his documented history of violence, should George Zimmerman have been denied a CCW permit? Or is that an intrusion on his 2nd Amendment rights?
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)GawdisaMyth
(7 posts)is individual freedom a Libertarian only position?
Dont you believe in your right to control your own body or do you prefer the Government calling the shots about what you can and cannot do with your body?
Lasher
(27,633 posts)And that reply #6 was pretty hostile. I was the only juror who voted to hide it though.
GawdisaMyth
(7 posts)wtf???
Oh well the jury ruled.
Lasher
(27,633 posts)What do you think about him?
Really, I laughed out loud. Husband asks why. I told him it's too hard to explain
Lasher
(27,633 posts)So fire away.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)On edit, as liberal, I would say health care, the economy, housing and education. In that order.
Economic issues include reigning in wall street and the banksters, lobby reform, mortgage lending etc. It's a big ball'o wax.
In my mind it is very simple, those who are anti-choice also are against eveything I believe in and support as a liberal.
Lasher
(27,633 posts)Buh bye, sock puppet troll.
Me too
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)for Democrats and Independents. But it means very different things to different people.
An insurance mandate? Doesn't impinge on individual freedom. It merely makes people buy something they are already using and expecting others to pay. If you're poor, the govt will take others' money and pay for part of it for you. A pretty good deal. And that means the care will be less expensive for all, since you'll be able to go to drs and not have to go to E.R. and fast clinic places that have higher rates. And you'll be getting sick less, with annual preventive care.
Auto insurance? That's so obvious that it doesn't impinge on freedom that it's not worth discussing.
Income taxes? You want roads to drive on, lights to see by, someone to answer to the phone when you call a govt agency, a post office, health care when you're old. All those things cost money.
And so on. We live in a free society. You come and go, however you want. You choose what to do for a living, what kind of car to drive, what city to live in, what friends to have.
GawdisaMyth
(7 posts)Having Healthcare for all is a good thing, many can agree on.
However a mandate to buy a PRIVATE product is the problem, at least with me. I have no problem with a mandate to buy insurance run by the Gov.
The idea for HC for all is good but the GOP Plan that is being implemented is BAD.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)and the DLC=the GOP? Is that what you mean?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)healthcare indirectly by funding care providers, which I think is what you mean.
You already are in the healthcare market, if you've ever been to a doctor. So you are expecting someone else to pay for it, if you have a bill you can't pay. All the mandate does is make the freeloaders pay for their own care. (By freeloaders, I mean those who CAN afford to provide their own ins., but refuse to do so, and leave it for others to pay for it). If they are too poor to buy it, they'll take MY money to pay for part of your ins. premium, and that's a benefit to you. I'm not complaining about that.
I used to think the way you do, until I actually considered how the system works now and how it will work. It does make sense. That's because everyone, except for those who receive no care because of religious objections, is in the healthcare market already.
The mandate was Hillary Clinton's plan. I was against it. But now I am for it. It lowers the cost of health care for all.
Besides, it doesn't affect most people. For those who get ins through employers, or who are 65 or older, or already buy ins., they are not affected. It doesn't affect those in poverty, since they qualify for Medicaid.
We do not have a single payer plan, and a country cannot switch from one system to a totally different system in one fell swoop. It simply cannot be done. It has never been done in the history of the world. If you sit down with pen and paper and try to work it out, you'll quickly see that. Too much would have to be changed at one time, and the risk of people going without care and suffering and dying because of that, would be too high. It has to be done in stages.
We have to work with what we have, not what we wish we have. The ACA helps millions of people. It enlarges Medicaid (I have a relative on Medicaid), helps those with pre-existing conditions get ins at a reasonable cost, helps people find the best policy at a one-stop shopping center where ins cos bid for your business (check out the fed govt site on that...it's awesome), provides subsidies to those who can't afford ins., and equalizes the rates charged to people (women no longer will be paying 100% more for their ins. than men, high risk people will no longer be priced out of the health care market entirely), and many other things.
Be glad for those the ACA helps. It helps millions. You are lucky that you are not one of those who needs the ACA. But be glad for those who do. I am.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)it has defined our national character. Unfortunately, it doesn't work. We are wired by our DNA to work as a community and individualism is bound to fail for the majority. It only works for a small elite and it really doesn't even work for them because they must spend their days in fear that someone is going to take it all away from them.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,976 posts)It would be nice to be treated as an equal, including my relationship.
Big Blue Marble
(5,141 posts)barbtries
(28,810 posts)peacenik. anti sexist. anti racist. anti bigotry. pro labor. pro science. being liberal to me means valuing each person equally, even those we don't know personally, at least philosophically and socially. of course i hold my loved ones dearer, but i recognize that that is only dearer to me.
i'm losing that though, because more and more i hate republicans and wish they would just go away.
maybe my biggest issue as a liberal is that republicans (i.e., haters bigots chauvinists elitists warmongers greedmeisters) should go away and let human progress happen already.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)thanks Scuba
"maybe my biggest issue as a liberal is that republicans (i.e., haters bigots chauvinists elitists warmongers greedmeisters) should go away and let human progress happen already."
Very well-said. We can only hope for that day.
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,603 posts)For us all to be actually born equal, there are basic standards that must be met. Shelter, food, clothing, medical care, and education are necessities. I'm not saying we should all have cashmere sweaters. If you are wealthy, you can have your cashmere sweater, but I should have a sweater, too. By golly, we should both be warm.
I file this all under "promote the general welfare" from the preamble to the constitution. Without these things, we are not equal.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)^snip^
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
...which I feel is more important since it is not just a statement of ideals. This is something demanded by law.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)I'm very worried about the next President having the opportunity to possibly appoint 3 justices -- if that President is a Rethug.
I especially wish Ruth Ginsberg had retired last year so that Obama could have appointed someone younger and healthier. Pancreatic cancer has a poor prognosis.
RBitt
(80 posts)and no, you can't use your own money, and no PACs or other special interests. Until we elect on the basis of ideas and integrity,
the rest is what we have now, parliament of whores, both sides, except very few.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)we can't solve any of our problems until we get the influence of money out of our political system
this is the first step
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Volaris
(10,274 posts)That, and Corporate (non)Person-hood are THE Keys to the Kingdom, so to speak. We get THAT done, and all else can get done as it needs to be.
(ON EDIT) We are NOT alone in this belief. Every REPUBLICAN I know, and about half the conservatives (yes, they consider themselves different, but whatever) agree with us on this ONE issue, with very little convincing necessary on my part.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)antigone382
(3,682 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)YankeyMCC
(8,401 posts)A healthy environment, a clean place to live, safe reliable food and water, for EVERYONE for the world
pasto76
(1,589 posts)and apparently it has worked.
the most important thing democrats bring to the table is equality and a level playing field. Republicans and Conservatives always seem to want to rig shit so that they always win. I guess they never saw that Sesame Street that teaches kids how to lose and not get psychotic about it.
Im 2nd generation Ironworker. everything Ive ever had since before I was born has come from a Union Dollar.
Ironworkers #24
TeamsterDem
(1,173 posts)of which I am one. If I wanted to poll the whole board I'd have said Democrats or DUers or something else.
GawdisaMyth
(7 posts)then why even be a democrat in the first place?
Mysfyt
(50 posts)i want to find the things we have in common with 'them' and build on them.
i read so many political forums and people on both sides of the fence are just
out of control with the rhetoric and hate of the other side. politicians are hi-jacking
the conversation and inflaming the masses with the talking point of the moment
and while we scream our outrage at the other side they are stealing our country.
it distracts from the conversations we should be having. it isnt changing any minds
and it isn't helpful. i want to hear them and i want them to hear me.
just because i disagree with people does not mean they are my enemy. at some point
someone has to be the adult.
TownDrunk2
(63 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)The attack on women's rights has made me a single issue voter this year. I consider it a deliberate systematic erosion of all rights for all people eventually. There is no fucking reason to take anyone's rights away. None, unless you just want to have all the power for yourself.
Normally I have a wide range of issues I'm interested in and on which I base my votes. As a matter of fact I consider myself a Democratic Socialist. I think the world would be a better place if governments only had the job of actually taking care of all their citizens. Of making life bearable for everyone and of enabling the natural innovation, inventiveness, creativity and the genius of their citizens by taking care of their fundamental needs. Needs like habitation, education and health which includes the health of the planet.
In my perfected world you can do whatever you want to become rich as long as it's not to the detriment of anyone else and you pay your fair share of taxes to keep the socialism healthy. Get yourself all the yachts and the bling you crave as long as not one single person goes without their basic needs. Do well in your job or chosen career and amass money if you want to. Have the luxuries you want as long as you can pay for them and no one goes without because of you. I'm all for encouraging people to become billionaires like Steve Jobs because you'll create jobs, improve the world with your technology AND pay your taxes to make sure everyone has a place to live, food to eat, an education to get and the planet thrives. Or, on the opposite end get to be a stay at home mom or dad if that's what you want. Or grow old with the stress easing knowledge that your security is comfortably secure.
Thanks for asking.
TeamsterDem
(1,173 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)So you're definitely welcomed to be part of it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Women are the majority of those receiving social security, and the lack of equal pay affects our economy.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)If I don't have money, it's hard to focus on the other issues.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Because not only is it evil and wrong, I don't think we'll make any progress in other areas as long as we have a military industrial complex run amok, looking for endless war.
Dokkie
(1,688 posts)Not just that it wastes money, it literally kills people and am against killing people or supporting the killing of people who did nothing to us.
But a close second is jobs which would be greatly improved if we had all that money going into the MIC to work on the economy
Close third is the deficit, again we would not be needing to borrow or steal from SS surplus if we werent fighting all those useless war.
Yup, so ending of the wars and most importantly not just ending the wars but shrinking the security and war state budgets is the start to everything I need done in this country.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)The amount of money wasted in that needless, criminal war in Iraq is staggering. Just think of the positive uses it could hace been used for. sigh
life long demo
(1,113 posts)I guess I'd say the environment include wildlife protection, the economy, reproductive issues, voter protection, safety net for poor & elderly, labor protection, protecting those who have no power against the powerful. Never believed in the trickle down theory except in the case of rain.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Kath1
(4,309 posts)PEACE! That says it all.
sendero
(28,552 posts).. kind of the opposite of what we have now.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)You've got another peacenik here! My opposition to the war in Iraq pushed me firmly into the ultra-liberal camp. I'm also very pro-choice.
There are just so many issues in which I identify as a liberal: anti-war, pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-union, pro-education, pro-gay rights, pro-marriage equality, anti-racism, anti-sexism. I oppose government policies that benefit the corporations and the super-rich at the expense of those who are poor or struggling to make ends meet.
Liberalism to me means letting individuals be who they are and who they want to be without any shame or fear.
Conservatives/Republicans just turn me off. Behind all the smiles and good-speak there is an undercurrent of bigotry and narrow-mindedness. Just listen to right-wing radio for five minutes and you'll know this is true.
I'm 53 years old and come from a very conservative Catholic family but my life experience has taught me to reject conservatism and the Catholic faith. It is hard to break from tradition but being true to your beliefs is very liberating.
All of that said, I am very comfortable and happy being a LIBERAL!
boxman15
(1,033 posts)If someonw is willing to put in the work to succeed, he/she should be able to. Everyone should be able to work toward the American Dream.
Unfortunately, deregulation and other failed Republican policies have destroyed that dream for many. Now, one can put in the work and have no shot at the middle class or a comfortable lifestyle.
This needs to be our top priority. Restoring the American Dream.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)access to affordable health care is a RIGHT, not a priviledge. The fact that people in this country are dying because health care is a market-based, profit-driven INDUSTRY is sinful, criminal, and just plain wrong.
dkf
(37,305 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Hatchling
(2,323 posts)I could decide that one of those three would be my single issue, that is personally important.
But as a liberal Democrat I can't be a single issue voter. One is incompatible with the other.
If I had to choose, I guess I would pick civil liberties. Including repealing the Patriot Act and it's attendant fascist laws.
But that narrows it down and excludes some other things that are also important. Anti-war, climate change, honest elections, the 99%, freedom from religion and other things that I am not awake enough to think of right now.
For me the concept of the big tent party means we are the party of the people and anything that improves peoples lives and allows for the "pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.
LeftishBrit
(41,209 posts)Many other issues too; but to quite an extent, they depend on those I've mentioned above.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Boils down to life or death.
Don
longship
(40,416 posts)Without that we are powerless!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)retirement age. This would open the job market up for younger people to find work, thus boosting the economy.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)infrastructure investment and enhancement, self determination, and protection of our mutual habitat would be the big ones.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)Iggo
(47,564 posts)Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)If we don't fix our broken political political system, none -- I repeat, none -- of the critical issues facing us will be solved.
A few electoral reforms:
1) End the domination of money in politics by limiting donations to individuals, no more than the median weekly paycheck per year. Ban all political television ads. Publicly fund issue-oriented televised debates consisting of more than 1-minute responses to questions that are NOT from corporate/entertainment news personalities.
2) Universal registration of all eligible voters based on some kind of national idetification, perhaps the Social Security number. Access to registration card is easy, cost-free to the voter, and with safeguards against fraud.
3) Standard voting machine & procedure that accurately records voter intent with a paper ballot for recounts.
4) National Election Day every 2 years: a weekday (I think Wednesday would be best) in which businesses and schools (except as polling places) are closed.
5) Instant Runoff Voting with ranked choices.
6) Eliminate the Electoral College; direct popular election of the President.
7) End Gerrymandering with sensible formula for drawing congressional districts.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)so that we can have representation again.
We will not make real progress on any other issue until this problem is solved. Once we are able to elect representatives who are not bought and paid for, activism in every other important area - the wars, economic policy, civil rights, you name it - will begin to mean something again and have a chance of yielding actual change.
onethatcares
(16,178 posts)because everything else falls in line when that is available to all.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Period.
ETA: I see labor the way you do -- a good economy, civil rights, a strong middle class and so on all stem from strong labor.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)Once exceptions are made, it becomes a slippery slope. I'm afraid we're headed down a bad path right now. #2 is the enviroment. I like to breathe clean air.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Private industrial prison complex should not push out envirnomental issues. Money out of the legislative process. Regs for safety not wars. Spray nozzels aimed down; not funnels up. Ok so it's not one.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)I will miss redwood trees and the critters that call them home. So sad to see the slow death of the forests up here.
broiles
(1,370 posts)If we don't do something to halt the rate of climate change, it will not only be the slow death of our forests but the death of the earth and all of us on it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I know single issue voters (right wing) and see that as nothing but destructive. Single issue people do little good for their issue and they are willing to destroy everyone else in the process. Life is varied and all issues are important to someone. It's akin to selfishness and not very liberal.
I know people who are so obsessed with abortion they do not care at all about children already born, those killed in wars and all kinds of death to the post born, whether resulting from poverty due to right wing economic theories, people without health insurance - all to make sure that every conceived fetal life makes it into that hell of a world they allow for in their quest.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts).
Initech
(100,099 posts)It's far more dangerous and I'm sure they're the ones pulling Paul Ryan's strings.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)By which I mean social, economic, and ecological sustainability. To me, a world whose resources are not being preserved and protected is a world incapable of achieving true social justice.
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)and it's health and sustainability.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)supporting liberty and civil rights.
SmileyRose
(4,854 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I would say election integrity is the most important issue to me. That includes campaign finance reform -- i.e., public-funded elections, big money out.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)particularly things like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to petition the government for redress. After seeing how the Occupy movement was physically dismantled a couple of months ago, this is a rave concern.
And most particularly the right of habeas corpus.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)to solve problems and make progress is what we stand for. I heard this said that this is the difference between Canadians and Americans. Canadians have a sense of community. Americans are all about rugged individualism and everyone out for themselves. Well that's true of conservative Americans, but I know that there are a majority of Americans who feel like the Canadians and that is us, the liberals. The problem is that the minority conservatives have been in charge and are making our country into a third world country.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)The more educated a person is, the less likely they will commit crimes, have lots of kids, and vote Republican.
Initech
(100,099 posts)Number two: Getting a government that is completely free of religious and monetary influences.
Number three: The prosecution of the BFEE for treason against the United States government.
Number four: Rebuilding our infrastructure, establishing a nation wide high speed rail network.
Number five: Ending all wars and holding Nuremberg style trials for our nation's war contractors.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)which underly everything else--equality in opportunity and in the eyes of the law, socialized health, education and welfare, and the right to live on a clean Earth and eat clean food, and to actually be innocent until proven guilty....everything depends on the foundation of our inalienable rights.
It is just so strange to think about this as a leftist point of view--it should be front and center. But if my socialized thinking makes me one of those bleeding heart liberals--I'm proud to be one. Yes--proud to have a heart!!
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Power in the hands of the many, not the few.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And Obama has failed MISERABLY in that department
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)With Single Payer every employer would begin hiring LIKE CRAZY.
Tying healthcare to employment is ridiculous.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I can say without pause that Barack Obama LIED TO ME.
LetTimmySmoke
(1,202 posts)MichaelMcGuire
(1,684 posts)Cos ultimately:
"Believe all decisions about Scotland's should be made by those who care most about our country - the Scottish people, who are always sovereign" - Humza Yousaf
(I'm a social democrat and voter of the SNP)
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)With out that right being protected, all else falls by the way side.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)by providing good wages and benefits for working people. Austerity measures to reduce the deficit should take place by reducing military spending and taxing the rich at Eisenhower-era levels.
Edim
(300 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Broken_Hero
(59,305 posts)Equality, both socially and financially.
varelse
(4,062 posts)Liber-AL
(71 posts)for We The People.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)We need to rebuild our labor unions and labor rights.