The '50 Shades' debate is a lot like the Sports Illustrated debate

[fried eggs]

Remember the epic flamefests surrounding the SI cover showing the backs of the 3 scantily clad women in thongs?

Anyhow, those who were against the SI cover are most likely also against the storyline in "50 Shades." Am I right or am I right?

[hlthe2b]

1. once upon a time, flame bait like this post were locked. Let's see what happens to this one.

I'd certainly applaud any host who does so.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. yep

[aikoaiko]

12. I alerted but I think the hosts need to hear from more DU members.

[alp227]

20. Kept, 2-5

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The '50 Shades' debate is a lot like the Sports Illustrated debate
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Flamebait/trolling/meta discussion - and apparently calling out certain DUers in the last sentence.

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Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I think the alerter got it right here. What little of the post there is seems designed simply to insult a group of people with whom he disagrees.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: And those jumping up and down defending glorified rape and domestic violence are probably the same ones who got off on the objectification of women on the SI cover. No doubt many of them are MRA's to boot.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So you alerted about SOP issues, which aren't my job (at this time) as a juror. Also since the GD Hosts already decided to leave it, it looks like that is my vote too. Hopefully the jury agrees.

Thank you.

[fried eggs]

27. Wow. The alerter and jurors 1 & 2 couldn't be more wrong

I didn't even state my opinion one way or the other. How do you know my stance on either topic? For the record, I'm neutral. It's none of my business. I haven't read 50 Shades, nor do I plan to. And I support the right of women to work in whatever field they choose.

[Tetris_Iguana]

30. BZZZZT Wrong Answer!

I support the right of women to work in whatever field they choose.

You need to simultaneously be for all of women's choices and against certain choices or else ye be risking misogyny.

You patriarch, you!

[Desert805]

2. They're similar alright

Neither deserve thread after thread after thread of the same argument gunking up a political board.

Time wasting nonsense. May as well be watching American Idol.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. trash thread by key word. nt.

[MADem]

4. No, I don't think they are the same at all.

The people objecting to the book are objecting to non-consensual and abusive relationships. The people objecting to the models were less cohesive--some took issue with objectification, others had issues with the scanty costumes, others with matters of body image--the reasoning was all over the place.

But the book, pretty much everyone is irritated with the personal dynamic--save those who have read it and are also irritated with what is widely regarded, apparently, as really shitty writing.

Disclaimer--I've never read the book, and all I know about "SI" I have read here at DU.

[fried eggs]

28. Fair enough

[steve2470]

34. yep you nailed it nt

[Xyzse]

40. I actually agree. I read the first book, and considered the guy an unmitigated creeper

The only reason he was not thrown in jail is because he's rich and looks good.

[leftstreet]

5. When people don't understand a controversy, they cry 'prudish!'

At least that's been my experience here

[In_The_Wind]

6. You're probably right.

[CBGLuthier]

7. You are wrong as wrong can be.

I am against the promotion of rape, violence against women, and bad literature.

No one really had a problem with SI other than the fact that some folks thought the images belonged on DU.

They didn't belong on DU any more than the nasty one the other day of the woman over the guy's shoulder promoting Israel.

[lumberjack_jeff]

9. I'll give the critics this: A surprising degree of consistency.

During the SI discussions I thought they were all about a problem with men's entertainment.

Turns out that it's an equal opportunity complaint, they have a problem with arousal in general.

[bravenak]

10. I think everyone should read it for themselves.

By the end of the series she was helping him overcome his addiction to giving pain to get pleasure. I just read the third installment. Okay, that's a lie. I skimmed it.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. SADIST!

I've read excerpts, that's enough. Sounds like reading the whole thing would be a trip to the dentist with no novocaine.

[bravenak]

17. I was reading key passages outloud.

My husband is still laughing about it.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. Heh.

http://shelf-life.ew.com/2012/04/05/50-shades-of-grey-quotes/

“I want you to become well acquainted, on first name terms if you will, with my favorite and most cherished part of my body. I’m very attached to this.”

Dude better hope he doesn't end up as Ramsay Bolton's houseguest, know what I mean?

[bravenak]

21. Ewww.

I think i would prefer it if he did meet Ramsey. I prefer Ramsey. Ramsey is less strange than Christian. At least i 'get' Ramsey.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Probably the salient difference is like that of the subject of a Da Vinci or Dali painting versus

a Thomas Kinkade.

The character is better because the artist is better.

[bravenak]

23. Absolutely!

I cried for Ramsey when Roose said, "Don't make me rue the day I raped your mother." I was pissed for Mr.Snow. I felt for him. He just wanted to belong.

[MADem]

33. Reminds me of that joke about the body parts arguing about which was most important....!

Here's the joke:

One day the different parts of the body were having an argument to see which should be in charge.

The brain said, “I do all the thinking so I’m the most important and I should be in charge.”

The eyes said, “I see everything and let the rest of you know where we are, so I’m the most important and I should be in charge.”

The hands said, “Without me we wouldn’t be able to pick anything up or move anything. So I’m the most important and I should be in charge.”

The stomach said, “I turn the food we eat into energy for the rest of you. Without me, we’d starve. So I’m the most important and I should be in charge.”

The legs said, “Without me we wouldn’t be able to move anywhere. So I’m the most important and I should be in charge.”

Then the rectum said, “I think I should be in charge.”

All the rest of the parts said, “You? You don’t do anything! You’re not important! You can’t be in charge.”

So the rectum said "We'll see about that," and closed up shop.

After a few days, the legs were weak, the stomach was queasy, the hands were trembling, the eyes were blurred and unfocused, and the brain was unable to think clearly. They all agreed that they couldn’t take this any more and agreed to put the rectum in charge.

The moral of the story?

You really don’t have to be the most important to be in charge, any asshole can do it.

I'm guessing that wasn't the most important part of that character's body, though..????

[eridani]

36. Reminds me of Woody Allen in "Sleeper"

"My brain? That's my second favorite organ!"

[tabasco]

38. How about no. n/t

[GeorgeGist]

11. No.

[sibelian]

14. Not in my case.

I saw nothing problematic in the SI cover and I think the storyline in 50 shades is crap.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Whether or not people were bothered by the bathing suit cover, which had been posted previous years

As well-

The month long fukushima-level meltdown that followed the posting of that one picture and thread, was WAY outta hand.

[one_voice]

16. Exactly. n/t

[Agschmid]

18. You passed the jury test, 2-5.

[RiffRandell]

24. I find this to be personally offensive.

Regardless of what the cover displays, the monthly issues of SI are a far superior read than the 50 Shades series, which I have read...unless sports doesn't interest you. If that's the case it's none of my business and doesn't bother me one bit.

As far as the debate, I couldn't care less although what I did read I found somewhat amusing...I haven't been following it too much as I find the subject boring (just like the book) so I haven't formed an opinion as there are more important issues currently in the world that I would rather pay attention to, as depressing as they may be.

[pnwmom]

25. Was there a glamorized rape, kidnapping, or nonconsensual sex in the SI cover or story?

Somehow I missed that.

[fried eggs]

29. Were you against the SI cover or not?

[pnwmom]

31. It was a silly cover but not harmful the way 50 shades could be. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

35. I seem to remember a good 3 weeks of high-test meltdowns over that one particular image.

And yes, by the end of it people where blaming the damn bikini photo for all sorts of ludicrous "harm".

[pnwmom]

37. Not by me. n/t

[whistler162]

26. Well there is always a first time for

everything. Nut, I doubt this is your time to be right.

[840high]

32. I did not mind the cover. Will

not read the book.

[LanternWaste]

39. More along the lines of the posts re: the 2011 production of Atlas Shrugged when many people giggled

More along the lines of the posts re: the 2011 production of Atlas Shrugged when many people giggled and laughed at it. Though I don't recall as many people attempting to defend its quality as they do with the Shades threads...