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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA must read !!!!The horrors of events taking place in the Gaza?.
A must read on the origins of this conflict...
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html
Lithos
(26,403 posts)If you want to believe Jews allowed the Holocaust to happen.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Is just plain irresponsible.. and ignorant...
Lithos
(26,403 posts)I'll get the popcorn and you can tell me all about the I/P situation.
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)I dont intend to to engaged with people who ignore facts and history.
Save your popcorn for one of your fictitious favorite T.V. shows..
Lithos
(26,403 posts)And am very familiar with the conflict. Any site which provides to magically give you an overly simple "answer" to the I/P situation is to be suspect, as the simpler the answer the greater the cognitive dissonance and the greater the chance they are peddling memes which have a very sinister background.
This conflict has been over 200 years in the making. There are whole university programs on the basis of the I/P situation, causes and proposed solutions. Many books and scholarly articles have been written by far more involved people who take the time to study facts. Most analysts find fault and blame to all sides and anyone who is unilateral only shows their lack of knowledge and their total bias.
Back to the topic at hand, IAK/CNI have a strong history of association and tolerance of people like David Duke, Pete McCloskey and Paul Findley, the latter two sitting on the boards of IAK/CNI. The money trail to IAK also comes from Saudi Arabia who has funded their activities for years.
If you want to impress me with your knowledge of I/P, please quote things like "bittterlemons.org" or an actual book by someone with actual credentials.
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)It is one of the most complete and historically based articles I have ever read..
But tell me specifically how the members of this group are tied to anti-semetic groups..
Start with the ones who are mentioned in this link..
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/whoweare.html
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Yes, I have read it. I've also ready it in the many iterations of the website over the past 10+ years it's been up. Their summaries are simple and biased. Summary - it's only Israel's fault. Zionists are uniformly evil, the Palestinians are innocent. Almost reads like Dershowitz's history "Case for Israel", but in reverse. Though to be honest, he at least used footnotes. You've read this similarly biased book?
I've already answered the case for "whoweare".
- Allison Weir - has pushed the canards of behind the scenes Jewish influence in government. Not only for AIPAC, but that Jews exerted undue influence of US opinion to enter the war against Germany in WW 1 to get Britain to take over Palestine (and thus promote a Jewish homeland). She also said that the Holocaust is the result of a Zionist attempt to garner sympathy and support for Palestine. She has appeared on media broadcasts of American Free Press (an overt Anti-Semitic group - see Southern Poverty site http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/05/06/anti-semitic-weekly/) as has directly refused to disassociate herself from David Duke.
Paul Findley has similar creds...
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)She has appeared........." And then you provide a link to an anti-semetic website with no mention of Allison Weir..
If you can not provide a link between Allison Weir and the American Free Press, then you can peddle your mis-information somewhere else.. By the way AIPAC for 40 yrs has towed the right wing American /Israeli lies concerning the I/P situation.
Why would Ms. Weir be connected with them?..
Lithos
(26,403 posts)You just called the Southern Poverty Law-Center anti-Semitic
See also:
http://blog.adl.org/international/alison-weir-jewish-power-american-free-press
And the link to the podcast.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Alison+Weir%22+site%3Aamericanfreepress.net+podcast+Israel
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)incredibly biased against Palestinians, hell bent on destroying their civil liberties..
Yea I think most would have understand that it was my error..But you sure wanted to highlight it,,
Your links are to pro Israel right wing sites...
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Allison Weir voluntarily posted on an American Free Press podcast. This is a fact from the American Free Press website. The last link I posted is the published link to this podcast.
American Free Press is unabashedly an anti-Semitic website product of Willis Carto. The SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) has said as much. Do you agree/disagree? Does it matter that the ADL has said as much?
Wikipedia has this comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#Critics
However in the end, you have just categorized the SPLC as both anti-Semitic and anti-Palestiinian website.
Enough. This speaks volumes of DU3. I'm ashamed for Skinner and company for the sad state they've let their website fall.
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)not agree with Ms Weirs questions to the New York Times?
She is anything but ant-Israel.. Pointing out to the world, that the current Israeli-Govt is nothing more than a war waging,
fear mongering govt which is using the tactics of fear in order to maintain power..
The Netanyahu Govt. could have copied the Bush/ Cheney playbook on how to ignore humanity in order to achieve political and economic gain..
http://alisonweir.org/
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)The ADL attacks anyone violently who doesnt tow the line with regards to full support for Israel and its
violent approach to the Palestinian Situation.
Using the ADL as a source speaks volumes about you!!!
Even though the SPLC agrees with the comment, you are choosing to attack me on the grounds that I also included an ADL link.
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Tell me again how Ms Weir courted their friendship... Because they interviewed her and misrepresented what she said?
Lithos
(26,403 posts)And interviewed by their agent.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)Sheesh
She is actively supporting an anti-Semitic group, and has actively supported the agendas of anti-Semitics such s David Duke.
This is not something anyone would do willingly, unless they also supported such a thing.
Enough. I will not answer anymore. Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)"Appearing on an ant-semeitic podcast is enough
Guilt by association?...Ive been reading about her associations with anti-semetic groups and all the pieces are written by Right Wing anti-Palestinean hate groups... The same type of scum right wingers who supported Bush/Cheney..
If I could get on an right wing anti-Palestinian podcast, Id do it in a second...According to you, it does,,
Honestly, you sound like a very intelligent guy, who will do anything to confuse or mis-disrect anyone who might object to how
Israel has emasculated the Gaza Strip over the past 30 years..
How can you sit there and think the Israelis are justified in what they are doing... How many Israels have died? Less than 10?and how many Palestinians have died? over 1000? and yet you validate all of what Israel is doing..
You should be ashamed...
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Most of her writings over the past ten years have appeared on his website. When given the chance to disassociate herself and IAK from David Duke, she chose to avoid the question altogether.
She has done similarly over the past ten years. Again, I've been following this website over this time. Her associations with Anti-Semites is well known, the monies funding her are from Saudi Arabia and other very biased sources, her own writings have been proven intellectually lacking and wrong in many cases.
Why do you persist in choosing this as a sole source?
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)He quotes her because he will use any source to defame Israel. She is critical of Israel and I totally agree with practically everything she says.. and so obviously a hate group would gladly quote her..Just because an anti-sermetic hate group quotes Ms Weir doesnt mean she has any connection with that hate group..
Her association with Anti-Semites is well known is such a freaking broad statement and surely Im not accepting the fact that the David Duke connection is valid..
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)Is allowed to pass as discourse ?
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)How about a link??
In the meantime...
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/whoweare.html
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)Good luck.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)that a situation as serious and horrific as this would be worth the effort of providing a link..
malaise
(268,968 posts)The meme no longer works
Very good read
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)malaise
(268,968 posts)We've seen through the lies - we know the game.
We know genocide and land theft when we see it. EFUGGINGNOUGH!