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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSatanists want to use Hobby Lobby decision to exempt women from anti-abortion laws
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thank Baal for the Satanists!
By Scott Kaufman
Monday, July 28, 2014 8:52 EDT
In a statement, the Satanic Temple said that it will use the Supreme Courts recent Hobby Lobby decision to exempt its believers from state-mandated informed consent laws that require women considering abortions to read pro-life material.
Informed consent or right to know laws state that women seeking elective abortions be provided with information about alternatives to the procedure, often couched in language that attempts to personify the fetus. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 35 states currently have informed consent laws, and of those, 33 require that the woman be told the gestational age of the fetus.
In some states, that information consists of pro-life propaganda that links abortion to a higher incidence of breast and ovarian cancers, or discusses post-abortion syndrome, a mental condition not recognized by any major medical or psychiatric organization.
Because the Satanic Temple bases its belief regarding personal health on the best scientific understanding of the world, regardless of the religious or political beliefs of others, it claims that state-mandated information with no basis in scientific fact violates its religious beliefs.
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The Raw Story link
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)Of course the 5 Papists on the SCOTUS didn't ever imagine that religious "liberty" applies to all forms of "religious or spiritual" belief from Islam to Buddhism to Satanism, etc. They only wanted it to apply to you know, Christians.........
I hope the courts are swamped with cases where this employer who is a Taoist wants an exception for this and the Satanists want that.......Let's clog the courts and show the papists exactly what they have done.
KatyMan
(4,147 posts)Isn't Satan a construct of Christianity?
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Satan, as we generally think of him as a personification of evil opposed to God, probably came into Judaism through a Zoroastrian influence. If anyone is looking for an exact date, it is probably 539 BC, the year the Persians under Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon and ended the Babylonian Captivity of the Jews.
Zoroastrianism is fundamentally a dualist religion with a good, creator God, Ahura Mazda, and an evil, destructive God, Angra Mainyu.
KatyMan
(4,147 posts)n/t
bvf
(6,604 posts)Never knew that--interesting to learn of it.
As to the OP, I say a hearty "Hell, Yeah!"
genwah
(574 posts)(Uhura Mazda) and the bad guy Main-ly makes yu Angry. It's silly, I know...
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I remember a lot of things that way.
valerief
(53,235 posts)are sick to death of a lifetime ruled by magic thinking justice.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Hosnon
(7,800 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)in that they do the opposite of what Jesus preached.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Pauline was their faction name at the Council of Nicea. Bastard authoritarian usurpers.
eridani
(51,907 posts)"We don't want anything to do with their God or their Devil."
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Most of them use Christian imagery, but that is about it. Some Satanists use other imagery, such as the Temple of Set using Egyptian imagery. Generally speaking, the important aspect of Satanism is the various philosophies of the left hand path.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)herding cats
(19,549 posts)Here's a link to their press release for those who want to spread this around.
http://thesatanictemple.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/TSTPRWomensHealth1.pdf
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)is free to use this even if they aren't a member of the Satanic Temple' part will probably not work. I seem to recall that the SCOTUS rulings said something about it had to be a strongly held religious belief.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)And isn't the government supposed to not make laws establishing religious beliefs?
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Whether it is suing a "Muslim" corporation to enforce sharia law on its workers, suing a corporation for violating its religious beliefs in engaging in same sex marriage or slavery when merging with another corporation, or the like, it is just a matter of time.
And that might be the best damn way to force a split in the Republican base on whether to support what the likes of Roberts and those on the court that continue to make these judicial activist decisions or to want them impeached. As long as they are able to just hear cases that split "normally" on the side of Democratic/progressive base and their own base, they may be safe. But Hobby Lobby leaves the door open to split the corporatists interests and the right wing extremist base in a big way, which may be our pathway to getting rid of one or more of them and change the balance of the court. I think Ruth Bader Ginsburg is hoping that she sees one of those cases come up before she feels the need to retire and take herself off of that 4 person voting minority that can get the court to hear such cases.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)That abortions are evil. I think the last thing we want is a satanist endorsement for women having control of their own reproductive rights.
Why, oh why, couldn't it have been the Pastifarians?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)http://thesatanictemple.com/campaigns/medical-info/
{Patients Name and Address}
{Date}
{Physicians name and address}
Re: State mandated informed consent documents
Dear [Health Care Provider]:
As an adherent to the principles of the Satanic Temple, my sincerely held religious beliefs are:
My body is inviolable and subject to my will alone.
I make any decision regarding my health based on the best scientific understanding of the world, even if the science does not comport with the religious or political beliefs of others.
My inviolable body includes any fetal or embryonic tissue I carry so long as that tissue is unable to survive outside my body as an independent human being.
I, and I alone, decide whether my inviolable body remains pregnant and I may, in good conscience, disregard the current or future condition of any fetal or embryonic tissue I carry in making that decision.
As you know, your medical treatment of me requires my informed consent. My informed consent is based solely on scientifically true and accurate information that is relevant to my decisions regarding my health and pregnancy in accordance with my sincerely held religious beliefs.
I regard any information required by state statute to be communicated or offered to me as a precondition for an abortion (separate and apart from any other medical procedure) is based on politics and not science ("Political Information" . I regard Political Information as a state sanctioned attempt to discourage abortion by compelling my consideration of the current and future condition of my fetal or embryonic tissue separate and apart from my body. I do not regard Political Information to be scientifically true or accurate or even relevant to my medical decisions. The communication of Political Information to me imposes an unwanted and substantial burden on my religious beliefs.
My informed consent is based solely on information you provide which, in the exercise of your independent medical judgment, is materially relevant to my health (excluding the present or future condition of any fetal or embryonic tissue inside my body) and is scientifically true and accurate. My informed consent is not based on Political Information.
This letter constitutes my acknowledgment that you have offered Political Information to me. I reject that Political Information because it offends my sincerely held religious beliefs. Please attach this letter to any forms you are required to keep regarding my informed consent.
The doctor-patient relationship is built on trust. I trust that you will honor my religious beliefs and keep me fully and accurately informed of my health based on science, not politics. I further trust that you will not deny me medical care because of any inconvenience my religious beliefs may cause to your ability to provide me with your best independent medical judgment.
Sincerely,
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)by anyone who's a Humanist also. Just one or two word changes.
Or anyone at all whose personal beliefs involve her control over her own body.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Unintended consequences and all that.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)....
riqster
(13,986 posts)...and the Fundies fought for Evil?
The world has gone truly mad.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Impractical.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The Neo-American Boohoo Church, whose motto was "Victory Over Horseshit." That seems simple yet comprehensive.
genwah
(574 posts)Sentath
(2,243 posts)I have linked a Google Books excerpt of "Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and ...
By Martin A. Lee, Martin Lee, Bruce Shlain, Bruce Shlain
http://books.google.com/books?id=_oq8djFLFL0C&pg=PT121&lpg=PT121&dq=%22The+Neo-American+Boohoo+Church%22&source=bl&ots=_35U7gBzvj&sig=ASGWjsGsiif6krTGY78m7-YJC44&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iL7XU6W3GIfi8gGIxoGYAQ&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Neo-American%20Boohoo%20Church%22&f=false
drm604
(16,230 posts)They tried to word it so as to make it as narrow and non-precedential as possible, but, while I'm not a lawyer, it strikes me as obvious that precedent is precedent even if you claim that it isn't.
genwah
(574 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)This is what happens when you open Pandora's Box, you stupid bastards. I hope the Satanists go through with it, and that they pick up lots of additional supporters on the way.
DiverDave
(4,874 posts)Go Satan.
Never thought I'd ever write/say THAT. snort
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Blue Idaho
(4,988 posts)Be careful what you ask for - you might just get it!
Orrex
(63,084 posts)Leave it to the Satanists to save the soul of the republic!
hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)The conservative justices didn't listen.
The Satanists have every right to practice their beliefs in this country just the same as all other religions do. More power to them.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)The devil is always in the details.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Jerry442
(1,265 posts)They could just as easily pull an anti-Satanist ruling out of their asses too.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)All that need be done if for lower courts to keep upholding the rights of these believers to oppose such laws based on Hobby Lobby. If enough women send in such letters and cause enough problems, and enough media hype, it will be difficult for states to maintain such laws even if, eventually, the Supreme Court says such is null-and-void. And when they do pull out of their ass that such religions can't oppose such laws, well, that'll boomerang, too, in the other direction. Win-win
genwah
(574 posts)can use within the 2 minute rule for Republicans and undecideds!
Who would have thought SCOTUS could be the best source of a leave behind talking point for US?
RKP5637
(67,031 posts)cap
(7,170 posts)Eom
ismnotwasm
(41,919 posts)I'm going to self delete because I didn't see your thread and kick this one!
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)The HL ruling applied to procedures mandated to be covered under ACA plans.
They would need to bring a separate case to get a ruling on state mandates that apply to access to a procedure, not insurance coverage for it.
Still, should be interesting.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)calimary
(80,693 posts)Where I come from, forcible entry into a woman's vagina whether she says yes or not - IS RAPE.
Except this is even more vile. This is state-sanctioned rape. Worse yet: State-MANDATED Rape.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)But, beware....
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bvf
(6,604 posts)The probability that there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of similar lesser sects that haven't (yet) reached critical mass fills me with hope.
- bvf a.k.a. RevMJK
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I know from where I speak as I have been touched by his noodly appendage.
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bvf
(6,604 posts)of "bless you" (there must be one), but whatever it is, take one from me.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)He was legit.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)From several different offshoots.
I prefer Paganism myself.
perdita9
(1,142 posts)The irony on this is hilarious.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)yardwork
(61,417 posts)niyad
(112,434 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Hobby Lobby and CU decisions had nothing to do with the law or precedent or the constitution and everything to do with doing what they are told by their owners...
There is no question these same 5 criminals would just say sorry, we wont apply our findings to any case we dont want to.
period
These current 5 SC justices are terrorists who are attacking America, dont try and apply reason and sense to them