The true meaning of Good Friday.

[WingDinger]

The crucifixion of Jesus, whether literal or figurative, was a racial lynching. For being uppity. It was illegitimate capital punishment. It was terrorism, in the interest of tamping down civil rights. It was the thwarting of increasing womens prerogatives. It was the threatening of all that would entertain joining the jihad. Just like they now do occupy. It was the ridding of the 99% of their heroes, before they understood the power of martyrdom. It was the enforcement of the status quo, the power of the state over the individual. It was the empowering of false, hateful religion, to bolster the reach, and authority of the elite.

What makes Jesus so enthralling is, all that power could not cow him, as he was beyond fear. Perhaps not pain, but dread. No wonder they had to annex Christianity. It IS DANGEROUS to power.

[annabanana]

1. If the idea of the value of every human being wasn't so powerful..

they probably wouldn't have bothered.

[WingDinger]

21. Good values to gain from the story.

[MadHound]

2. Oh geez, please, please, don't go there

Please don't try to impose twenty first century motives on an event that may or may not have occurred two thousand years ago. You obviously don't have the historical background to make a cogent, coherent argument, so please, just delete this thread before it gets really, really stupid.

[WingDinger]

3. Same as it ever was. Teh human condition is not modern.

You really dont know WHAT I know, or have studied.

Fables and tales, come straight from the heart of man. Whether or not it is true, and historical, is moot.

[MadHound]

5. No, but I can read what you just posted,

And judging from that, your continuation of this thread is going to get stupid ugly. It is also obvious that your historical and theological knowledge of the time and place are sketchy at best.

You are trying to impose modern ideas and attitudes on ancient time, always a historical no-no.

[WingDinger]

6. Then, by all means, refute just one notion.

[MadHound]

10. Let's start with the first then.

Racial lynching? Really? The Romans were not a race conscious empire like modern America is, and the race of Christ would not figure into the calculation of whether or not to kill him.

[WingDinger]

12. You dont think Roman features were idealized, by the dominant culture?

And the RACE OF CHRIST was subordinate to the laws and whims of Rome. Thus, daggermen.

[MadHound]

13. I suggest that you check out the various races and ethnic groups

That are represented in the Roman power structure.

The Romans were actually much more accepting of racial differences that we are.

[WingDinger]

14. And we are more accepting of Asians, for instance, than other groups.

Would they have crucified Jesus if he were roman proper? No, at least not right away, as like Paul, he would have due process.

I would think that Gladiators, and their aggrandizement, would operate like our accepting certain personalities, like we do atheletes.

[MadHound]

16. Really?

You haven't been out of country much, have you.

But that is neither here nor there since it has absolutely no bearing on the point I'm making, namely that the death of Christ was not racially motivated, therefore it cannot be a "racial lynching". Please, stay on topic.

[WingDinger]

19. Was jesus part of the culture the Romans were subjugating, and leaving him on his tree, for sending

a message?

Just because the rubes eat up the racial crap, does not mean the elites think blacks for instance are inferior, or so different. They are simply, for instance, in the way, or inconvenient, and sold as bad, different, ugly.

The elites dont REALLY think Obama is a commie, or socialist. They use that, to catapult the propaganda.

Same as us, the white dominant culture is first, then all others. you must deny we are racial, if you are to deny they were.

[Zax2me]

4. Really?

Wow.
Thanks for clearing it up!

[Brickbat]

7. You might be interested in this song by Woody Guthrie.

Jesus Christ was a man who traveled through the land
A hard-working man and brave
He said to the rich, "Give your money to the poor,"
But they laid Jesus Christ in His grave

Jesus was a man, a carpenter by hand
His followers true and brave
One dirty little coward called Judas Iscariot
Has laid Jesus Christ in His Grave

He went to the preacher, He went to the sheriff
He told them all the same
"Sell all of your jewelry and give it to the poor,"
And they laid Jesus Christ in His grave.

When Jesus come to town, all the working folks around
Believed what he did say
But the bankers and the preachers, they nailed Him on the cross,
And they laid Jesus Christ in his grave.

And the people held their breath when they heard about his death
Everybody wondered why
It was the big landlord and the soldiers that they hired
To nail Jesus Christ in the sky

This song was made in New York City
Of rich man, preacher, and slave
If Jesus was to preach what He preached in Galilee,
They would lay poor Jesus in His grave.

[WingDinger]

9. I differ on his opinion of Judas Iscariot. He was NO COWARD.

And his zeal, to throw off the yoke of Roman rule, made him then consider Jesus, an enemy of that goal. And, he was disillusioned. Same as some anarchistic types now ruin peaceful movements.

[Brickbat]

11. Well, it's a riff on the Jesse James song, and the line is about the dirty little coward who shot

Mr. Howard. It's just a folk song -- a kernel of truth.

[DonCoquixote]

8. Indeed

Sadly, this cycle repeats itself with all religions, as sooner or later, the politicans take over.

[Wind Dancer]

15. I disagree!

It's just not a good comparison!

[MadHound]

18. It is a horrible comparison,

On so many levels.

[Taverner]

17. FROM AN ATHEIST: Or, put yourself in the shoes of one who has been lynched for their beliefs.... NT

[msongs]

20. umm in the US it IS the power, doing exactly what the Romans did nt