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When the cops give you an order, it's like your drill sergeant giving you an order. "Right now" doesn't mean in 30 seconds. We've got tense circumstances, heightened awareness on the part of everybody and everything, and the cops know the journalists are not on their side. The cops know the journalists are looking to make them look bad. So you talk about trying to keep everything in perspective, there's that aspect of this as well.
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WestCoastLib
(442 posts)I didn't join the military, nor have I been drafted. I don't need to respond to anybody "as if they are my drill sergeant".
reflection
(6,286 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)cannot kill a trainee and do so scot-free of consequences other than "administrative leave"
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The police supposedly work for us.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)"Give me your camera !" = No.
"Get out of the way of the emergency vehicle about to crush you !" = Right away.
RandiFan1290
(6,232 posts)underpants
(182,791 posts)The draft dodger references the military to really say DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!
Nice pickup RandiFan
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)They believe they are in a war zone, not a community.
underpants
(182,791 posts)This particular bit is from Rush Limbaugh
Autumn
(45,066 posts)And if a cop wants to be a drill Sergent he should enlist and get the fuck off the police force which at one time was here to defend and protect our citizens. The ones walking down the street minding their own business.
Fuck that shit, I don't have a drill sergeant.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)With rights. We are not members of the military.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I'm a naturally cooperative guy, so my instinct is to do what a cop asks, but they aren't my drill sergeants, and there is a limit to my patience. I am neither slave not serf, and I'm certainly not a private in boot camp.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Police have a lot of different motivations. They have authority but what they do with it is not always lawful, just or the right thing to do.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)i get to ask, WHY, because unlike the drill sergeant I am not actually in the military and the cop is paid from my salary not vice versa.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)underpants
(182,791 posts)Rush Limbaugh
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)That explains it.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)I was a recruit wrangler and I never shot any eager young space cadet in the back.
hlthe2b
(102,239 posts)Hell no.
I am respectful to police officers and endeavor to follow their requests, but that does not mean I will not speak out politely if what they are saying is untrue, unlawful, or just plain wrong.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Why you made it a poll I have no idea.
The VAST majority of "orders" police officers give out are unnecessary. For example, ordering people to not take video or pictures.
I was in the Navy, so I didn't have a Drill Sergeant, but if my Company Commander had ordered us to wash his truck or to post up at a closed door while he had a one-on-one with a female recruit (and do ignore the screams) you might have a point. Or let's just say he routinely gave orders that were malicious, malevolent, or otherwise served only to reinforce his ego. That would have been a serious problem. Fortunately the Navy went to great pains to ensure that such things did NOT happen, and held those given that kind of authority to a much higher standard than everyone else.
I only wish the Police did the same.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It shows just how few people agree with that particular Limbaugh talking point.
underpants
(182,791 posts)The reason I made this a poll is to point out the overwhelming message coming from the powers that be and especially from the RW Media. This is a direct transcript from Rush Limbaugh today.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)and I don't take kindly to be told I can't have my Constitutional rights because some jackass has decided to be a bully.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)illegal. If someone feels threatened by those giving the order, then it might be best to comply, temporarily, so they can later report the violation to the appropriate authorities, if there ARE any. In a Democracy of course there should be. We are waiting now to find out whether there are authorities who can find and prosecute the unnamed 'cop' dressed in military garb who violated the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. Hopefully that person will be removed from whatever entity he belongs to, Mercenary? Cop? He was not wearing a badge so who knows?
The police work for and are paid for by the people. THAT is who they are answerable to, not the other way around.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and haven't learned to respond to someone that immediately. They don't deserve to get shot because of that.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)...then you had better try or he has every right to arrest or shoot you? But only to shoot you if you resist arrest? That's what it sounds like.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)underpants
(182,791 posts)It just isn't
sarge43
(28,941 posts)the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Agreed, it's not the same.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)If the order is lawful, then I'll comply.
deminks
(11,014 posts)except to an elder as a sign of deep respect. If anyone barks at me, I am liable to ask them calm down.
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)in a well defined hierarchy. The orders given have the weight of that authority yet even then it was my duty to ascertain the lawfulness of the order and if unlawful my duty is to disobey the order.
Police have the authority to enforce the laws of the community. Technically we all do as well but in practical use leave it to the police. A police officer has the ability to require citizens to comply with the laws and restrict or require some actions to allow proper enforcement of those laws. This is a very limited authority and the police have no authority to order fellow citizens to do anything not directly related to the above.
In other words, if you are eating in a restaurant, the management has not asked you to leave, you can legally tell the cop to pound sand as long as the restaurant is not a crime scene. Such order coming from a superior rank in the military would be valid and thus required to be obeyed.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)It's as simple as that.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)This entire statement is so messed up on so many levels. The authoritarian mindset of so many people just astounds me.
Lex
(34,108 posts)And the journalists did NOT have leave McDonald's at the order of a hyped up asshole playing army.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I don't think so. He would be punished but not killed.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)But we are not soldiers. We are the enemy, to be subdued and ordered about at the behest of authority.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)They're doing a good job all by their lonesome.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)from the recruiters in the day.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)Abusive cops don't like it when they have to regard civilians as equals. And I'm an egalitarian kind of guy.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But if you're unarmed and the cop is it makes sense to follow his or her orders. There will be time to dispute whether the orders are justified later.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)We have constitutional rights in this country (supposedly) and we do NOT have to do anything the cops order us to do. Many times they order us to do things that they have no right to.
However, if you are a person of color behavior modification might be advised as you run the risk of being murdered if you don't comply. Or even if you do.
Sounds like you are defending cops trying to shut up journalists? Because the journalists are specifically there to make cops look bad? Um, no. The cops don't need the journalists to make them look bad. The journalists are there to report what is happening. If they cops look bad it's because they are bad cops.
underpants
(182,791 posts)Rush Limbaugh today. So basically THAT is the right' stake on this. Do as you are told.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Heh.
haele
(12,650 posts)The job of the police is not to indoctrinate the public, or to intimidate, or anything else. The job of the police is to maintain the peace fairly for everyone and, when necessary, be the active representative or "arm" of the law. The Constitutionally ratified, agreed upon, Secular law that applies to everyone, not just some laws or "cultural practices" assumed by a majority, nor "the law" as imagined by people who get themselves into a position of power.
Police should not be para-military; that's what locally accredited militias or the National Guard are supposed to be - and even then, there are strict laws when it comes to military action. Most community SWAT teams would not be in compliance with the UCMJ, which is "the law" when it comes to military activity. And even the military is supposed to act in subordination to civilian law.
This confusion of actual job requirements for community policing has gone on way too long.
Haele
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Think about that.
Think about the reality of the panic response, the fight or flight response. Cops who are not trained to understand the fear they put into some portions of the public are a danger to that public.
Salviati
(6,008 posts)They may surely make requests of you, but you should not be compelled to follow their every whim.
If the cops are so worried about journalists making them look bad, then perhaps they should stop doing things that look bad.
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Drill seargents don't kill you for not reaponding fast enough or perciieved sleights.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)So I don't know what my opinion would be.
And taking orders is conditional.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Especially one displaying signs of possible panic, like a "right now!" shouted at an unarmed person.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)A kid straight out of boot camp will. Everyone else not so much. As a professional working with the public you need to recognize that people will do alot of seemingly strange things because, mind is elsewhere, they don't know better and a laundry list of other reasons. Empathy and understanding is a two way street, you need to give some to get some.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Short answer is, the DON'T. Apples to oranges.
jen63
(813 posts)on induction day at the US Naval Academy. That oath is to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Once his Plebe Summer was over, he was no longer at the mercy of his "detailers". Of course for the next three years, he has to do what the upper classmen advise him to do, but the oath in the military is to uphold the Constitution. If an order is illegal, he has the right to refuse that order. Even in the military.