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[kpete]

https://twitter.com/jaybresler/statuses/501752593883074561

[irisblue]

1. we hold these truths to be self evident

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all men are created equal....read that somewhere recently.

[rurallib]

2. That was campaign rhetoric

once the campaign is over, it is back to reality.

[LiberalArkie]

10. But then slaves were only 3/5's of a man

[niyad]

21. and women don't count at all!

[littlemissmartypants]

24. ^ eom

[ieoeja]

30. I will never understand why progressives argue in SUPPORT of slave masters.

The more slaves the masters owned, the more representatives in Congress and more electoral votes they received. This increased their political power. But since slaves had no other rights under the Constitution, they decreased this extra political power by 40%.

You, and others like you on DU, have made it abundantly clear that you wish the slave masters extra political power for owning slaves had not been decreased 1%.


Here's a thought: what do you think would happen to efforts at disenfranchisement if we allocated by eligible voters instead of by numbers of residents? Do you think the GOP would still work to disenfranchise voters knowing that this would increase the number of Democratic seats in the House?

Slaves and others not eligible to vote should have counted ZERO rather than 3/5th.

[gratuitous]

33. Let's try it this way

The notion that for census and apportionment purposes, slaves only counted toward 3/5 of a person led to a mindset - that persists to this day in many precincts of our country - that black persons were of less worth than white persons. This path led inevitably and inexorably to racist theories promulgated and "justified" by pseudo-scientific and ersatz scholarship (cf. The Bell Curve for an example of the ongoing nature of this pernicious lie), and treated as a serious topic to this day.

The idea that the one and only consideration to the abhorrent 3/5 rule is the political power of the slaveholder, a power that hasn't been in existence for more than a century and a half, is to conjure a fake concern to supersede present reality.

As for your "Here's a thought" paragraph, you would have to do some serious amending of the Constitution to deny citizenship and exclude from the census persons ineligible to vote. It's another fake concern.

[ieoeja]

34. You seriously think the 3/5th rule led to that?

I have never heard anyone use the 3/5th rule to justify their racism. Though if I searched, I'd bet I'd find some. And they probably only heard of it because of progressives bemoaning the horrors of the rule in the first place. Given that 99% of Americans probably don't even know it exists, it would obviously not be a cause of much racism.

The simple truth is, a lot of people had a knee jerk reaction to the rule. If they thought it out, they should recognize that the rule was put in place by people opposed to slavery and, as such, was a good thing. But then you run those who can or will not.

1. It's a simple talking point as long as nobody thinks it through. And some people hate to give up a talking point.

2. Some progressives really do fit the rightwing stereotype of the wimpy liberal and can not view things dispassionately. See any anti-war thread for dozens of such examples.

3. It took me a long time, but I have finally accepted that half the people in the world can not follow a logical train of thought. They can understand, "it says they are 3/5th of a person," but the math of that equation actually hurting slavers and helping slaves is something they just can't get.

4. Lots of people, regardless of ideology, will never admit they are wrong. Ever. They get defensive and that is that.

That last bunch is particularly annoying to those of us who really are never wrong.

[VanGoghRocks]

11. That equality stuff is quaint and obsolete. The U.S. Consitution is "just a damned

piece of paper," according to the next-to-last occupant of the White House.

[niyad]

20. and women only exist to serve as domestic help.

[whathehell]

28. As domestic help and for sexual enjoyment, which is why you hear & see

far more "old lady" jokes (useless!) than "old man" jokes.

[roguevalley]

3. those two together will change the world one step and one soul at a time

and for the record, they are both equally precious.

[daleanime]

7. The fact that it even needs to be said....

[Uncle Joe]

4. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[Trailrider1951]

5. Powerful photo

Thanks, kpete for posting it.

[calimary]

8. Indeed.

[Enthusiast]

6. Kicked and recommended!

Thanks for sharing this, kpete.

[nirvana555]

9. Thank you for posting. N/T

[Jack Rabbit]

12. !!

K/R

[Adam051188]

13. not enough info

what's their net worth?

[LloydS of New London]

14. !

[AmBlue]

15. Amen, brothers.

Heaven help us all if we, as a society, cannot answer these two questions correctly-- with our actions and not just empty words.

[L0oniX]

16. I'd like to see a "fuck this cop --->" sign next to a Ferguson pig!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. Done that...

Note the mailbox.

[cantbeserious]

17. Thank You For Sharing

eom

[Curmudgeoness]

18. Powerful.

Thanks for posting this.

[johnnyreb]

19. Outstanding, fellas!!

ps, y'all are scaring the one percent.

[rhett o rick]

23. It's very important for the American Aristocrats to turn one group

of the lower classes against the others. They will prod the black community until they erupt and then the gun totin right wing will join the police to put them down. There won't be a rebellion against the aristocracy but a civil war among the lower classes.

[NealK]

25. Yep.

The oldest trick in the book.

[RufusTFirefly]

32. + 1,0000

The scar tissue of racism has built up over the centuries, but the underlying wound was caused by class.

[pansypoo53219]

26. i noticed the protest seems integrated, while the cop supporters are oddly all white.

but they are not racists. wink wink nudge nudge

[myrna minx]

27. K&R n/t

[KeepItReal]

29. One picture that says it all

Thank you for posting

[RufusTFirefly]

31. Great! I'd like to see a similar photo with a rich person and a poor person

One of the last taboos.

We have a system that says one person deserves to live longer than another, simply by virtue of the money they have.