Ferguson cop had "serious facial injury"?

[louis-t]

I have not heard this before. Gee, I wonder why? I imagine they'll get right on releasing the photos.

https://gma.yahoo.com/ferguson-shooting-grand-jury-could-decide-october-whether-145800456--abc-news-topstories.html

[SummerSnow]

1. self inflicted or done by other fellow officers to make it look like Brown attacked him.

[Matrosov]

3. Exactly n/t

[tblue37]

6. Nah--he smacked his own face into the car or the car door as he jumped out after the kid.

In fact, I bet that is why he went into such a towering rage that he had to pump the poor guy full of bullets. He was already pi**ed off because Brown had not adequately respected his "authoritah," so when he hurt himself jumping out of the car, that just sent him into an insane fury.

We all know how we jump around and curse and rage when we get a painful bump on our head, hand, or foot. I bet that chasing and shooting the person he (unfairly) blamed for his boo-boo just came so naturally to this cop, who was accustomed to abusing his power and to harassing and brutalizing black citizens, that he amped up his response to the next level without even thinking about it.

[uponit7771]

21. Yeap, he was pissed because he got smacked by his own door

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. That is my theory ...

as it goes along with the eye witness statement ...

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.

“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”

“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

[global1]

7. This Is Gonna Hurt Darren - But It Will Get You Off The Hook.....nt

[BaggersRDumb]

51. That is the whole point, no decent human being would believe ONE WORD any official in that

county would utter, including the DA who refuses to step down.

It doesnt matter anyway...didnt deserve to die.

What may have happened was the cop spoke down to the kid as the cop is used to doing to BLACK people, and the kid didnt like it, young and full of himself as young men can be, and they hassled and the kid hit the cop which infuriated the white, privileged prick cop who thinks he is god, so he shot the kid as he ran away, then Brown turns and he shoots more.

Murder plain and simple

[tblue37]

56. I seriously doubt that the kid hit the cop at all. If he did, there would be evidence on his hand,

but 2 autopsies so far have found no swelling, no abrasions, and no blood or skin cells from the cop's face on Michael Brown's hand.

How do I know? Because if any evidence at all had been found on Brown's hand, the police department would be trumpeting that little detail everywhere.

[BaggersRDumb]

58. Agreed...just saying that if he did, the cop probably deserved it

[Boudica the Lyoness]

68. And we all know that Brown was a gentle giant

who wouldn't hurt a fly....especially store clerks.

[boomer55]

81. Cause that sweet young man would never use his size

To ever hit or push any one.

[BaggersRDumb]

2. they will have photos of what his fellow cops did to

Provide alibi

[valerief]

78. ^^^this^^^

[tblue37]

4. Probably from slamming his own face into the car door or car frame as he leapt out of the car

to attack Michael Brown. Forcefully hitting part of a car will leave a boo-boo.

But has been no evidence reported from 2 autopsies that Brown had any swelling or abrasions on his hand or any skin cells or blood from the officer's face. If he had hit the cop that hard, there would be evidence on his hand. I am betting the third (DOJ ordered) autopsy won't show any such evidence either.

[Warpy]

5. The cop's bit about the car door could explain it

Otherwise, the cop had better hope the side with the orbital fracture is the side where he'd have been hit with Brown's dominant hand or he won't have a leg to stand on. Again.

And he'd better hope Brown's hand was injured by something other than gunfire.

[MohRokTah]

13. Mr. Brown's hand only had the graze wound.

Autopsy concluded, no signs of a struggle.

If Mr. Brown struck Wilson hard enough to cause injury, the evidence would have been on Mr. Brown's knuckles, however, the autopsy concluded there were no signs of a struggle.

[Warpy]

16. Then I suggest another object was smartly applied to Wilson's face

and they need to check all the doors in his home to see which one should be arrested for assaulting a peace officer.

[uponit7771]

20. No signs of struggle on Brown, just his face had wound

[Maedhros]

22. A blow hard enough to inflict a blowout fracture of the eye socket should at least leave a bruise

on the striker's hand, possible even a broken tarsal/metatarsal.

[HooptieWagon]

24. Yes.

Autopsy: no sign of struggle, no wounds to hands except for the bullet-grazing.

[DinahMoeHum]

27. Where's the medical/hospital record for "eye socket fracture"??

This isn't something you just walk away from without getting treatment.

[HooptieWagon]

90. Good question. Apparently there isn't one....

...and now Wilson/PD are backing away from the fractured eye socket claim. I'm sure their fairy tale wasn't helped by video of Wilson after the shooting, appearing to be perfectly fine, uninjured, and not feeling any pain. Fucking liars. Liars, liars, liars.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025424706

[amandabeech]

89. I'm getting a little confused among the three different autopsies.

Are you referring to the autopsy requested by the family, the one performed by the medical examiner of ST. Louis County, or the one performed by the military?

I can't seem to find much information about the latter two. Have you seen anything detailed?

[HooptieWagon]

92. Private one, by Baden.

He reported no physical evidence of a struggle, except for facial abrasions caused when his face hit the asphalt. No wounds, abrasions, damage to hands except for a bullet wound that appeared to be a grazing. No gunpowder residue anywhere on body... clothes not tested.

AFAIK, the County Coronor's autopsy hasn't been released, except for a selectively released toxicology report that claims MJ in his system. Note: MJ stays in your system for about 3 months, so the report can't conclude he was high at the time, though its being suggested as much in the smear job.

I have not heard of the FBI autopsy being conducted yet, or its results.

[amandabeech]

94. Thanks. n/t

[Warpy]

26. I've seen them with only minor swelling come in to the hospital

The bruising hasn't appeared for some time, then it is dramatically worse than the average black eye.

I agree about evidence on the striker's hand and the broken bone. Undoubtedly they did x-ray Brown's hands. That's why I'm suggesting one of Wilson's doors is the culprit and should be arrested for assault.

[Kalidurga]

41. I was thinking something besides broken skin myself

I have been in more than one fight. Never did I hit anyone that hard (it was mostly goofing though), but still if you hit someone the wrong way you might injure yourself more than who you hit. In the heat of the moment where you really do want to hurt someone it's really going to make it likely you land your punch the wrong way.

[Maedhros]

65. On the flip side, though, the reports seem to indicate that Wilson pulled Brown INTO the car.

For a big guy like Brown, being bent over at the waist with one's torso inside a vehicle, it seems unlikely that he would be able to throw a forceful punch. Not a lot of room to draw back and swing, and he'd get no power from his hips.

[Kalidurga]

67. Thanks makes this story of Brown being agressive sound even more ludicris.

[newblewtoo]

8. where is the video

of him pacing by the body? Would that show it?

[Cosmocat]

9. The phone video

where he is walking around Brown after the shooting ...

Now, low quality and from a distance, but he clearly wasn't bleeding and you didn't see anything that would indicate a "serious facial injury" or "exploded orbital bone."

NOW, it is possible, there just is not the quality of the video to see for sure, but isn't something that was clearly visible.

But, at no point during that video was he rubbing or holding his face.

I get some adrenaline, but I have been popped in the face in my life a few times in some way or another, never a SERIOUS FACIAL INJURY, and even not having a broken bone I have held my face where I had the injury, rubbed it ...

Never once does he put his hands to his face in that video.

And, people wonder why the Martin/Zimmerman situation comes to mind here.

[Warpy]

19. Orbital fractures and the attendant bruising

don't tend to show up for hours, usually not until the next day or two.

Banging his head on his car door could explain why he lost it and started shooting but in this case, given the lack of injury on either of Brown's hands unexplained by gunshot, he's really stupid to keep claiming any sort of a scuffle bad enough to break a facial bone occurred.

[Vattel]

23. except there is no evidence that Zimmerman faked his injuries

[Laelth]

30. Is there evidence (beyond his own testimony) that he didn't fake his injuries?

Genuinely curious.



-Laelth

[Vattel]

40. Yes, he had signs of injury right from the get go.

Paramedic reports, photos taken the same night, etc. Whether they were as serious as he claimed is more questionable.

[Hoyt]

55. But it was not evidence of someone pounding his head into concrete within an inch of his life.

Looked more like he scratched his head on the tree. Wasn't any blood on concrete either, scalp wounds bleed.

[Vattel]

71. To my knowledge, nobody said his head was pounded into concrete within an inch of is life.

[notadmblnd]

63. yeah he had a scratch or two. The kind of scratch you get when you snag your head on a low hanging

tree branch.

He lied about how he got the scratches

[Vattel]

72. I doubt it, but maybe he did

[Hoyt]

73. There was a small tree right where they were. Darn sure wasn't getting his head bashed in.

[notadmblnd]

74. Ya know, I don't consider myself above average in intelligence

but I would have thought at the time someone investigating might have considered it.

[Hoyt]

77. Main reason I did is I've scraped my bald head like that many times.

[MohRokTah]

79. The cops bought his story.

There wasn't much in the way of an investigation.

[JEB]

10. Couldn't stand to look at himself in the mirror.

Any conscience in there? Soap and water ain't gonna take that stain off your hands.

[MohRokTah]

11. IF he was injured, we know for a FACT Mr. Brown was not the one who injured him.

Other than an abrasion to the face from landing on the pavement, there were no other signs of a struggle on Mr. Brown's body according to the two pathologists who performed the second autopsy.

He may have been injured, but it is not possible that Mr. Brown injured him.

[951-Riverside]

12. Funny how no one saw medics rendering aid to the officer

You'd think they would be hauling him off on a stretcher for an injury like that.

[tblue37]

15. I bet that after he was (inappropriately) allowed to drive his car away from the scene,

he tampered with it so there would be little useful evidence of what really happened. Nevertheless, DOJ investigators should check the car door and the door frame for skin cells and maybe blood. If he (or his buddies in the department) didn't think to clean them off, those bits of evidence might still be there.

[redqueen]

31. I was wondering where his car went. nt

[HooptieWagon]

17. That's the trial balloon "Josie" floated.

She was not a witness, but reportedly a friend of Wilson's gf. Obviously just saying what Wilson instructed her to, cause hes too chickenshit to make a statement to the media. Plus, any words from his mouth can be used as evidence. So he uses a stooge.

FWIW, video at the shooting scene does not appear to show any facial injury, blood, or even signs that he is in pain (the claimed injury is extremely painful). Nor do any other cops on scene appear to pay attention or look closely at his face. No medical personel or ambulance were summoned to the scene. Wilson apparently drove himself home. Unknown if he sought treatment after leaving the scene, but it would be fairly easy for him to produce medical records to back up his claim, should he decide to make a public statement.

[uponit7771]

18. ***NO SIGNS OF STRUGGLE ON MIKE BROWN***

[cbdo2007]

29. Didn't one of the witnesses, Tiffany, say she witnessed the struggle?

Her and Dorian were the only two who witnessed it. Dorian said there was no struggle, Tiffany, said she saw Brown and the cop "wrestle through the window".

[uponit7771]

32. No, she witnessed brown being "pulled" into car

[cbdo2007]

48. Tiffany Mitchell described seeing “Michael and the officer wrestling through the [car] window.”

That's according to the only witness to the actual incident that wasn't a friend of the victim. Are we now going to pretend we don't even believe what the actual witnesses said?

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/st-louis-official-reporters-arrested-ferguson-michael-brown

[Solomon]

54. once again notice how anything said by a black

witness that could be twisted in favor of the cop is readily accepted as credible, but all the other parts of the statement like he shot at Brown as he was running away and shot him several times as he was trying to surrender are given no credit whatsoever. I tell you, racism is a motherfucker!

[cbdo2007]

57. Where have I discounted any of the rest of her statement?

Is there some reason YOU personally don't think both parts of her statement can't be true? I certainly think they are.

[fishwax]

25. if he were injured, wouldn't the EMTs have been summoned?

As I understand it, there were no EMTs on the scene. Of course, I could be wrong about that.

[Hoyt]

28. They are working on that right now.

[MADem]

33. What I don't understand is why he felt he had to shoot the kid. I just don't get it.

If he was running away, how far could he run? Young Mister Brown didn't look like he was in great shape, he looked a bit -- chubby, to be kind, and he didn't look like he could run more than a block without getting winded.

Why didn't the cop call for back-up? It's not like that plump young man could have run very fast or far. If he thought the kid was "too big" to take into custody, he should have radioed for help.

I think it was FURY that caused him to unload all those bullets into that teenager.

[MindPilot]

34. A mugger cracked my cheekbone with his fist.

It was a very hard blow and I went down. It literally left a fist-shaped bruise on my face which tripled in size within minutes.

If the cop was hit hard enough--either by a car door or a fist--to fracture an eye socket, I don't think he would be just walking around.

[MohRokTah]

35. Hmmm, a serious eye socket injury is gonna affect your vision

Makes it kind of difficult to have this tight a pattern with your shots:

[Kalidurga]

42. I did this as well my tweaking looks nearly identical

My elbow lines aren't as good though.

[MohRokTah]

44. I have no shop skills

I found that one on Twitter.

[Kalidurga]

46. My skills aren't great

but it when I saw the original picture I sort of saw what it would look like if he put his hands up and sure enough that is what it looked like. It looks like a cop was using him as target practice. Can't tell if he was aiming for a head shot or center mass and was just a bad shot though.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

36. Where is THIS new leak coming from?

Brown was a strong armed robber. Brown was a drug user and was "on something". Twelve witnesses will back up Darren Wilson's side of the story. Brown attacked the officer. Hopefully these leaks are not from the DA's office or the police. The police and DA have control of most of the evidence in a case. It's really unethical in my opinion to try to gain an unfair advantage with the potential jury pool in selectively releasing portions of evidence ahead of trial . Oh well, I guess we can't know but then that's why if I were the DA I would have sought a probable cause hearing in superior court, not with the secretive grand jury, to avoid even the appearance of unfairness.

[CanonRay]

38. They are not "leaks"

it's made up internet bullshit. You know, the kind the RW thrives on.

[sanatanadharma]

49. Apparently a RW single source story now picked up by ABC

Goggle "darren wilson injury" and all links point back to The Gateway Pundit.

Read little green footballs for perspective. Jim Hoft’s Unsourced Claim That Officer Darren Wilson Had an Orbital Blowout Fracture of the Eye Socket

This story is as bogus as the multiple witnesses saw the 'bum rush' story.
From Red State:
"...Another Google search shows how quickly this story has made the rounds. This story, however, suffers from the same single-source problems and plausibility problems as the first. The story appears to have had its genesis with a single St. Louis Dispatch reporter named Christine Byers who tweeted it from her personal twitter account – and who has since retracted the tweets.

In a statement from the St. Louis Dispatch, the paper said that Byers had been on medical leave since March, and “is not involved in the Ferguson coverage while she is on leave.”
..."

Meanwhile a story in The New York Times says police validate witnesses who saw Wilson shoot at Brown's back as he ran away.

"...However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car.

As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials....

[MADem]

84. No one wants to hear that Brown was a high school graduate who was supposed to be starting

tech college this week.

I guess all that "ruins the narrative."

[CanonRay]

37. There was nothing wrong with him when he was walking around the victim's body

He looks fine in that video, not getting medical attention, no obvious injuries. I'd think a broken eye socket would be an obvious injury and require medical attention. I think it's bullshit.

[sabrina 1]

39. This is why he should never have been allowed to leave the scene of the crime.

Photographs should have been taken right there.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

47. He drove away with some of the evidence

like the car itself and the gun. At least that's what I've read. I would have thought he would have had to wait to turn everything over to the CSI people when they arrived, along with his clothing.

[WinkyDink]

43. Does this look like the reactions of a man with a "serious facial injury"?

Wilson is on the right.

http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1908067.1408425020!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/stlouis19n-23-web.jpg

[proverbialwisdom]

45. K&R - informative thread.

[Cha]

50. This is to comment on the post that got a Hide with only 4-3.. Really, DU? JHC!

[sheshe2]

80. My thoughts exactly, Cha!

[Cha]

82. It was a freaking MIRT, she! SMFH. :(

[sheshe2]

83. I love MIRT!

Cha

[notadmblnd]

53. Take a look at this video of him walking around Mike Brown's body

and tell me if he looks injured

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017210506

[JustAnotherGen]

59. As I wrote earlier

Then he should be on workman's comp/disability. The Chief said paid leave - right?

They are two different things.

If this bullshit story is true - then he better not get caught paddle boarding or doing anything active.

[crazylikafox]

60. If he had been injured in this manner we would have been informed about it immediately by the police

It makes no sense. In those early press conferences with the police chief, he surely would have mentioned it.

[valerief]

61. Gee, it's so easy to believe Brown hurt him. So, so easy. NOT!!!! nt

[lunasun]

66. Oh for many it will be welcome bullshit to believe in.

[lunasun]

62. Good for the phone video showing he did not seem hurt ,seek emt Imagine why cops don't like

People taping situations - they can't make up crap like this then
He drove his own car away with a serious face injury??
When the nurse on the scene asked to help Brown he would have noticed if the cop needed help I would think

[herding cats]

64. He looks pretty good in the video of him walking around the body.

I'm interested in seeing what pictures of him and the scene the FBI manage to round up from others in the area at the time. I'm imagining there are going to be more images of this officer as he was wandering about at the scene which were taken by angry citizens.

[Stellar]

69. Which one of his buddys had to hit him?

It took awhile for that info to get out.

[L0oniX]

70. Popped a giant zit.

[bullwinkle428]

75. Yes, and the Clinton administration people TOTALLY TRASHED the

White House on their way out the door before handing the keys to Dick 'n Smirk!

[LiberalElite]

76. Fox News said the same thing earlier today - quotes a "source" -

I hesitated to post the link because it's Fox but here it is:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/?intcmp=trending

Cop was supposedly nearly beaten unconscious by Brown. How then did he manage to get off SIX SHOTS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! is it a medical miracle?

[louis-t]

85. Uh, hospital records?

That kind of injury would require hospitalization., wouldn't it?

[amandabeech]

91. At least a visit to one of those urgent care clinics.

The ST. Louis County DA/prosecutor is in charge now. He or she is going for a grand jury indictment. Grand jury proceedings are secret, and the defense has no role whatsoever in the grand jury proceeding. The grand jury hears the prosecution's case and pretty much just the prosecution's case. The old saying is that a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, and I expect that Wilson will be the ham sandwich here.

While the grand jury is meeting, and it does not meet every day and it handles many cases at once, I wouldn't expect to hear much from the prosecution. Wilson's defense team will also keep fairly quiet, because they don't want anything out there that could be used against Wilson.

The prosecutor has said that the grand jury may not finish with this case until October. I think that there will be more detailed information available then.

That said, I think that Wilson was in the wrong, and is morally responsible for the death of Michael Brown. However, moral culpability can be a different thing from legal responsibility. I hope that the prosecutor here does a better job than those two clowns down in Florida.

[MohRokTah]

86. So are you embarrassed now that it's been revealed to be bullshit?

One wonders.

[louis-t]

87. Shocked, I tells ya.

[Blue Idaho]

88. I'm surprised...

It took this long for the GOP operatives to come up with this disinformation to cover their Klan brothers in the police department.

[HooptieWagon]

93. Police now retracted the story...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025424706

Pretty lame attempt at lying. That tale had more holes than a sieve.
Coming soon: WilsonStory8.2