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kentuck

(111,082 posts)
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:20 PM Sep 2014

"Homeland"...

Does anyone else get an uneasy feeling when they hear our country called the "Homeland"?

Does it not remind you of the Fueher and the Fatherland?

I don't think I ever heard it called the "Homeland" until after 9/11?

I am suspicious of anyone that uses that term.

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"Homeland"... (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2014 OP
yeap drray23 Sep 2014 #1
I hear that word as though Hitler were speaking it himself FiveGoodMen Sep 2014 #2
If I were a betting man... kentuck Sep 2014 #4
That's certainly the way I take it... FiveGoodMen Sep 2014 #7
The first time I ever heard it was when DHS was created and announced. arcane1 Sep 2014 #3
I read "Department of Homeland Security" and I see "Sicherheitsdienst." [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #16
Gestapo trof Sep 2014 #39
I too think it started with the Bushies* Neocons after 911 hlthe2b Sep 2014 #5
I wonder if the Nazi connotation was deliberate? Kablooie Sep 2014 #42
And "Homeland Security" translates directly from the original German. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #6
Yes, I don't like it. It has a creepy, uber-nationalist feel. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #8
It's always been cringe-worthy. madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 #9
I hate that term, too. It is definitely post-9/11, cheney era. femmocrat Sep 2014 #10
Yes! It is creepy. Vattel Sep 2014 #11
As an American-German I find it comforting. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #12
yep, yep, yep…. dhill926 Sep 2014 #13
Yes it's very creepy. Ino Sep 2014 #14
Yuck! sketchy Sep 2014 #15
Stupid and Big Media started using it after 9/11 Doctor_J Sep 2014 #17
Yup, ever since they started using it in the "everything's different now" days. Iggo Sep 2014 #18
Not me. I don't have a problem with the term. lamp_shade Sep 2014 #19
Yes, I agree ... oldhippie Sep 2014 #20
National, Central, and Defense were already taken and ignored anyway. al_liberal Sep 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Sep 2014 #22
Ditto rock Sep 2014 #23
No bigwillq Sep 2014 #24
Do you understand why some people might feel creepy...? kentuck Sep 2014 #27
Sure. bigwillq Sep 2014 #29
The same with "Legacy" and "Heritage." Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #25
'HATE IT' spanone Sep 2014 #26
Absolutely despise it... nt Earth_First Sep 2014 #28
yep, always has steve2470 Sep 2014 #30
I've never heard it any other way The Blue Flower Sep 2014 #31
Words matter... kentuck Sep 2014 #32
Multinationalist Corporations need a place to call "home". They're people too. adirondacker Sep 2014 #33
Well, a place to call home until the taxes are due and then there are other suitable homes... FSogol Sep 2014 #45
I guess I don't give all of the credit to the past administration for coming up with the meme adirondacker Sep 2014 #48
Homeland, Homeland uber alles tularetom Sep 2014 #34
Fatherland, Motherland...it is an Orwellian organization created under the BFEE Rex Sep 2014 #35
Honestly, Rodina would bother me as it would suggest we've been taken over HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #37
Fascism Light is still fascism. EEO Sep 2014 #36
Faux Patriots - aka Republicans And Republican Enablers cantbeserious Sep 2014 #38
Yes, though "Fatherland" would probably make me cringe more gollygee Sep 2014 #40
I've always felt the same thing. Horrible choice of words. Kablooie Sep 2014 #41
Creepy... Skier101 Sep 2014 #43
I hate it and all the phony patriotism and militarism that it goes with it. mountain grammy Sep 2014 #44
Yes nt LiberalElite Sep 2014 #46
Yes etherealtruth Sep 2014 #47
The Homeland is under attack! If you question this, you're a traitor! Scuba Sep 2014 #49
Yup grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #50
"homelands" are for animals Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #51

drray23

(7,627 posts)
1. yeap
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:23 PM
Sep 2014

This is exactly the same reaction I had the first time they used this term. Whomever coined it either was clueless about its connotation or more likely did it on purpose.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
2. I hear that word as though Hitler were speaking it himself
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:25 PM
Sep 2014

(and it came from the Bush admin, so that's not far off)

I'll go your suspiciousness one better; I despise anyone who uses the term.

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
4. If I were a betting man...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:26 PM
Sep 2014

Is it likely that whomever uses that term is probably a war-monger and probably supported the invasion of Iraq?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. The first time I ever heard it was when DHS was created and announced.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:25 PM
Sep 2014

It sounded creepy then, and still does!

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
5. I too think it started with the Bushies* Neocons after 911
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:27 PM
Sep 2014

Yes, I shudder to hear that... then again there is an awful lot about the rise of authoritarian RW and racist/anti-immigrant factions in this country that has me fear we could have a "Fourth Reich" right here.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
42. I wonder if the Nazi connotation was deliberate?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:59 PM
Sep 2014

They kind of wanted unfettered control of the population and still do.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
6. And "Homeland Security" translates directly from the original German.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:27 PM
Sep 2014

As my mother says and she should know, living in Austria at the time.

madamesilverspurs

(15,800 posts)
9. It's always been cringe-worthy.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:28 PM
Sep 2014

My first thought when the Bushites first uttered it: Uber alles?

Count me among those who would have preferred "Domestic Security" over what we have. Yeah, the connotations are awful, and we can only hope it was thoughtless rather than deliberate.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
10. I hate that term, too. It is definitely post-9/11, cheney era.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:33 PM
Sep 2014

Reminds me of the Nazis, too. Oh, and the neocons.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
20. Yes, I agree ...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 06:26 PM
Sep 2014

I never did like it. It just makes me a little queasy. Probably no good, rational reason for me to feel that way, but I do.

al_liberal

(420 posts)
21. National, Central, and Defense were already taken and ignored anyway.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 06:28 PM
Sep 2014

What do you suppose the hierarchy chart of those titles are in reference to "Homeland"?

The dimwits in the W admin couldn't think of any more synonyms and Googling something wasn't part of the lexicon.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
24. No
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 06:43 PM
Sep 2014

I don't use it, but I don't get an uneasy feeling.
It's just a term.
I would never stress over it.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
29. Sure.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:23 PM
Sep 2014

Never said I don't approve of others feeling creeped out about it.

I just said that I don't.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
30. yep, always has
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:26 PM
Sep 2014

Way too close to Fatherland for me. Department of National Security or Dept. of American Security would have been far better.

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
31. I've never heard it any other way
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:30 PM
Sep 2014

Its use was shocking to me from the first time I heard it uttered, and it still is like nails on a chalkboard to me. The word reeks of smarmy and gratuitous jingoism.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
48. I guess I don't give all of the credit to the past administration for coming up with the meme
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 09:20 PM
Sep 2014

"It won’t come as any surprise that we found that the dozen tax dodging corporations invested heavily in Washington politics. While the extent to which these corporations and their executives spent is not knowable – corporations and wealthy executives regularly give to trade associations and political organizations without disclosing the donations – Public Campaign’s analysis found that the dozen corporations, their PACs, and executives spent more than $1 billion over the last ten years to influence Washington."

http://www.publicampaign.org/reports/artfuldodgers

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
34. Homeland, Homeland uber alles
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:38 PM
Sep 2014

What's creepy is that DU auto corrected to capitalize the second "homeland".

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
35. Fatherland, Motherland...it is an Orwellian organization created under the BFEE
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:40 PM
Sep 2014

that only has one job - treat all American citizens as either; enemy combatants or enemy non-combatants.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
37. Honestly, Rodina would bother me as it would suggest we've been taken over
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:42 PM
Sep 2014

by persons I grew up knowing only as cold war opponents.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
40. Yes, though "Fatherland" would probably make me cringe more
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:53 PM
Sep 2014

Still, yes it's cringe-worthy. It's the kind of phrase people use who would put protecting the flag above protecting what the flag symbolizes.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
41. I've always felt the same thing. Horrible choice of words.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:56 PM
Sep 2014

I wonder if the Nazi connotation was deliberate?

It works OK a the TV show title though.
Kind of creates that uneasy, sense of evil that runs underneath the storyline.

Skier101

(9 posts)
43. Creepy...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:23 PM
Sep 2014

It sounded creepy when the Bush people used it and it's still totally uncomfortable - there's no way it doesn't harken back to the Third Reich feel!

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
44. I hate it and all the phony patriotism and militarism that it goes with it.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:26 PM
Sep 2014

I think we could march straight into hell with our right hand raised. We already have a few million in prisons, on parole and involved with the "justice" system.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
51. "homelands" are for animals
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sep 2014

and the people who use that term view you as an animal, and themselves as the owner of you-the-animal.

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