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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:54 AM Apr 2012

(powerful video) Obama celebrates Massachusetts' 'Romneycare'

The Obama campaign is out with a new video that 'celebrates' Mitt Romney's signature health care reform law in Massachusetts on the sixth anniversary of its signing.

"Here's a guy that came up this brilliant achievement, made it work in Massachusetts, and then suddenly because it came from the other party, it was a bad idea," said Jonathan Gruber, an MIT economist that consulting on both plans.

Romney, of course, now denies that he ever intended the Massachusetts health care law to be a model for the nation — despite writing in a 2009 op-ed that it should.

"On the campaign trail: What you say in one town, can show up in the next. People have him recorded as promoting Massachusetts health reform, promoting it as a national model. And now he's saying he wants to tear down the very model he was promoting," John McDonough, Harvard School of Public Health and a health care adviser on both the Massachusetts and U.S. health care bills.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/04/obama-celebrates-massachusetts-romneycare-120299.html

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(powerful video) Obama celebrates Massachusetts' 'Romneycare' (Original Post) cali Apr 2012 OP
Looks like that little video could discourage some right wingers mucifer Apr 2012 #1
Not unless there's an independent alternative.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #7
The medical bankruptcy rate in Mass has precipitously declined since Romneycare was instituted.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #2
Damn! It's like Medicare for All! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #3
what are those numbers? Bill McBlueState Apr 2012 #4
Yes, that's what's meant by "medical bankruptcy rate".. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #5
I guess one person's "precipitous" is another's "non-significant?" Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #8
Just channeling the Obama booster club.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #9
Well that went whoosh over my head. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #10
Caterpillars! That's all this is! Lil Missy Apr 2012 #6

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
7. Not unless there's an independent alternative....
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:53 AM
Apr 2012

Right-Wingers are so obsessed with getting Obama out that they'll vote for any generic white male the GOP gives 'em so long as that guy promises to end the Obama Presidency. So, no, this won't discourage them from voting. The only way they won't vote for Romney is if someone like Newt puts himself up as an independent candidate and alternative to Romney.

What this will do, however, is affect those valuable swing votes by showing Romney as someone who might promise to do or take care of something one day, then change his mind and say he never made that promise the next day. You can't trust someone like that.

Bill McBlueState

(8,216 posts)
4. what are those numbers?
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:21 AM
Apr 2012

Are those the percentages of bankruptcies that were for medical reasons? The article doesn't say.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. Yes, that's what's meant by "medical bankruptcy rate"..
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 10:06 AM
Apr 2012

The percentage of bankruptcies attributable to medical costs..

As I said, it was a precipitous decline.

http://www.healthcare-now.org/massachusetts-reform-hasnt-stopped-medical-bankruptcies-harvard-study/

The percentage of personal bankruptcies linked to medical bills or illness changed little, and the absolute number actually increased in Massachusetts after the implementation of its landmark 2006 law requiring people to buy health insurance, a Harvard study says.

The new study, which appears in today’s American Journal of Medicine, found that between early 2007 and mid-2009, the share of all Massachusetts bankruptcies with a medical cause went from 59.3 percent to 52.9 percent, a non-significant decrease of 6.4 percentage points. Because there was a sharp rise in total bankruptcies during that period, the actual number of medical bankruptcy filings in the state rose from 7,504 in 2007 to 10,093 in 2009.

Uncle Joe

(58,370 posts)
8. I guess one person's "precipitous" is another's "non-significant?"
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:23 PM
Apr 2012


"The new study, which appears in today’s American Journal of Medicine, found that between early 2007 and mid-2009, the share of all Massachusetts bankruptcies with a medical cause went from 59.3 percent to 52.9 percent, a non-significant decrease of 6.4 percentage points. Because there was a sharp rise in total bankruptcies during that period, the actual number of medical bankruptcy filings in the state rose from 7,504 in 2007 to 10,093 in 2009."



This is precisely what I believe will happen to health care costs nationwide.



(snip)To explain why medical bankruptcies persist in Massachusetts, the authors of the new study write: “Health costs in the state have risen sharply since reform was enacted. Even before the changes in health care laws, most medical bankruptcies in Massachusetts – as in other states – afflicted middle-class families with health insurance. High premium costs and gaps in coverage – co-payments, deductibles and uncovered services – often left insured families liable for substantial out-of-pocket costs. None of that changed. For example, under Massachusetts’ reform, the least expensive individual coverage available to a 56-year-old Bostonian carries a premium of $5,616, a deductible of $2,000, and covers only 80 percent of the next $15,000 in costs for covered services.”

The study’s lead author, Dr. David Himmelstein, said, “Massachusetts’ health reform, like the national law modeled after it, takes many of the uninsured and makes them underinsured, typically giving them a skimpy, defective private policy that’s like an umbrella that melts in the rain: the protection’s not there when you need it.”



Whether's it's Obamacare, Romneycare, Omneycare or Robamacare, the results will be the same because the brake, believe it or not against rising health care costs has been removed.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. Just channeling the Obama booster club..
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 04:09 PM
Apr 2012

The ones who think the PPACA is the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel.

I agree with you, we are going to see an explosion in medical care costs now that the insurance companies have a direct tap on the federal treasury.

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