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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsClarity: We Will Be Funding The Terror Group Who Kidnapped Sotloff, and Asking Them to Fight the
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Group they sold him to.
Groups that have already formed alliances with each other.
What could go wronG?
More evidence this is nothing more than the continuation of the neo-con doctrine of perpetual war. Let's stop the cycle of violence now.
25 years in Iraq is enough.
Kidnapping: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/08/steven-sotloff-sold-to-isis_n_5788312.html
Alliance: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014895466
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)us whatever narrative they want.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)You are, I assume, a member.
Can your provide something of substance, please?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)It was close, but you prevailed.
I voted to leave it.
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NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Pointing out that members here who get their information from the Huffington Post don't have quality intel is just unacceptable.
Wow.
Thank you for your vote!
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)on the validity of the huffpo article?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Clearly, Obama probably didn't have this valuable intel available to him.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)President Obama
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)to unite disparate ME players who have been at war with each other, some for 1400 years.
The Saudi's, Syrians, Iranians,Israeli's, and Iraqi's can all band together to fight this common enemy.... of course, that's assuming it is an enemy and not a proxy of SA. Of course, that does not fit in with the neocon vision of perpetual war for
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Accomplish this goal. On settling the troubles in the ME, you noted this has gone on for 1400 years, it will not be easy. Just as generations here in the US passes thoughts onto their children, the cycle isn't broken. In the US the race wars continue, the same similar events occur in the ME. US has been trying for years to get a peace plan adopted but it hasn't happened. I think a viable plan hasn't been put on the table yet, still looking for a win-win plan.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Blow up a few wedding parties.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Just like we need to curb future Sandy Hooks.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)flood the region with weapons of all kinds, big and small
force disparate groups with vastly different cultures to co-exist within borders, borders that were drawn by a pair of Western diplomats a century ago for the purpose of dividing the area politically and preventing any unified opposition to outside domination
pick an enemy every few years to bomb the crap out of
that's sure to fix it in no time
or maybe we can try something else
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)if there were any other options surely someone would have tried them by now
maybe we should add some extra bombing and extra weapons just to be sure
and support all sides with those weapons so that whoever ends up winning out owes us one
I'm sure they'll love us for it
the defense contractors will, anyway, and that's what's really important in America
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Whatever means. I prefer to have fewer troops on the ground. I think the key lies in Syria and getting permission to bomb or use drones may be slow in coming. But, we do not want the negotiations behind closed doors are, it wasn't announced about the bin Laden raid, might be the same this time.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)I have three key questions on that point.
1) Why exactly does ISIS need to be stopped?
2) Why does it need to be the US doing it?
3) Is achieving the stated objective even possible?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)
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Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)are between funding the group that sold Sotloff in order oppose the group that beheaded him, having US troops back in combat, or doing nothing--I would vote for funding.
BTW: We have fewer military in combat zones than we have police in many large cities.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)supplying weapons to people who won't use them against ISIS. We'll just have to fund the Kurds and Iraqis and let it go at that. Continue our air support of course.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)to where one can kill hundreds.
But why is there never a choice to just stop it?...that is not doing nothing.
But we got lots of money we can keep it going for many years...there is lots of money to be made in war materials...
Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)Sure, we could let them continue to kill until they get tired of killing. That's always been a really clever option.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But why do that when they have America willing to spend trillions to protect their interest so they can live safely in golden palaces with their concubines...but that is a clever move on their part.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They can't make the region any more messed up than it already is, and it might sate their trigger fingers if they are getting shot at, too.
Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)Start a petition.
awesome!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I think they are *perfect* to fight terrorists.
Heck, they can even protect their own when they shoot someone that is giving up.
I say, Deploy FergMO Force!
(George Zimmerman can be on the front line, too!)
If knowing the Ferguson PD and George Zimmerman are loose in your area with guns doesn't make you shit your pants with terror, not a damn thing will.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Let the terrorists deal with them. Not sure whose side I would be on, tough call.
JEB
(4,748 posts)cluster fuck, abyss, treadmill, mirage.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)from a family's sources, is not reliable info. There are a lot of groups and interests in Syria with various political goals who are trying to manipulate public opinion. Look at the confusion over who used chem weapons last year--it still hasn't been conclusively proven, though it's likely it was Assad.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)called "moderate" if it means they won't also get bombed by mistake, or if they can have western money and arms. It could also be some sort of move by ISIS to prevent getting the shit bombed out of it, by saying they're going to be now mixed in with more moderate rebels, or it could be Assad/Russian/Iranian propaganda, or something else entirely. US intelligence will have to dig harder.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Let them settle their own issues. That's the only way it stands any chance of lasting at all. We CANNOT stop their fight, ONLY they can.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)who are our allies that will make an endgame possible? what has 25 years of war in the ME achieved?
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Military leaders don't want a war. Intelligence services don't think we need one. It's the McCains and the McDonnell Douglas' of the world itching for another lucrative, treasury draining bloodbath.
Will we give it to them?
Based on his experience with Washington since mid-2011, Assad has every reason to believe his strategy will bear fruit. Now, as his own forces focus on bombing, shelling, and starving civilians, ISIS fighters in western Syria work obligingly to eliminate his armed opposition. Now, as the U.S. contemplates an aerial campaign against ISIS targets in the east, Assad envisions a continuation of living large at the expense of others: Iran, Russia, ISIS, and now America. He expects harsh rhetoric from Washington. He will tell allies and adversaries alike to pay no attention to the words of those who have told him to step aside, warned him of red lines, threatened him with military strikes, and promised aid to opponents that never quite materialized in the forms or quantities required.
Indeed, if all the administration has to offer is more rhetoric, it is walking into a deadly geopolitical ambush. Even as Washingtonideally joined by partnersgoes its own way operationally against ISIS with no reference whatsoever to the Assad regime, Assad will be believed both inside Syria and around the region when he claims that the fix is in. He will allege coordination and collaboration when none exists. He will hint at prominent visitors from Europe and the U.S., irrespective of their actual authorities. If all there is from Washington is talk, he will be believed.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119226/us-airstrikes-isis-syria-are-not-enough-punish-assad-too
deminks
(11,017 posts)he knows 'cause he vetted some of them
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mccain-ive-vetted-syrian-rebels-people-not-trusting-them-making-excuses/
(snip)
McCain touted that hes vetted a number of them because I know them. It was at that point Fox aired the infamous photo from last year of McCain and a few Syrian rebels, two of which turned out to be suspected kidnappers. This led to Rand Paul taking a shot at McCain and illustrating this as an example of why its hard to properly vet Syrian rebels.
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