I was spanked as a kid in the 60s......

[Logical]

With my moms hand. Maybe 4 times. And never when I was freaking 4 years old!

Never bled once. Still, it was wrong then also.

Also, here are some other things that happened in my family back then.....

I got blistering sun burns at least 3 times. (Want to go back to those days?)
Mom smoked when pregnant with me and my brother. (Want to go back to those days?)
People smoked EVERYWHERE! (Want to go back to those days?)
Lawn Darts! (Want to go back to those days?)
No seat belts and actually slept in the back window area on long road trips! (Want to go back to those days?)

So this crap about "When I was a kid......" when trying to justify the cuts on a 4 year old are asinine!

He hit a 4 year old with a stick that cut the child! This is not some swat with a hand!

Unbelievable!

[former9thward]

1. There is nothing wrong with some of those days.

What exactly happened to you and your brother because your mom smoked? My mom smoked with both me and my sister and we turned out just fine. So did every other one of my friend's moms and they turned out just fine. Nothing wrong with lawn darts either.

And being spanked is not wrong. Beaten yes, spanked no.

[Logical]

3. Nothing wrong with smoking when pregnant? nt

[former9thward]

15. How come you did not answer my question?

[Logical]

22. Well......

I have no idea if it caused me any issues. Neither do you.

But now answer me, you think smoking while pregnant is ok? I need to hear your stance on this.

[former9thward]

30. I have never read a scientific study on the subject

which stated with certainty harm would come from smoking while pregnant.

Generations of mothers smoked while pregnant and many still do. If there were any significant problems it would be easy to point out tens of millions of victims.

I have no idea if it caused me any issues. Neither do you.

Of course, I don't, that is why I asked you. It sounds like you are waiting for something to come along that you can blame your mother's smoking. I know my mother's smoking did not cause me or my sister "any issues".

[Logical]

31. LOL, do you work for big tobacco? nt

[former9thward]

36. Personal insults all you have?

[Logical]

50. LOL, no, jut studies you disagree with. Even though you "never saw one"! :-)

[daschess1987]

53. Actually, I'm curious too...

Do you think it's ok for women to smoke while pregnant? Incidentally, I took some beatings I didn't deserve. It made me feel powerless. Then it made me mean. Now I just avoid people as much as possible. Do you really think "the good old days" were that great (especially in reference to smoking while pregnant)?

[former9thward]

56. Most people were spanked and most people turned out just fine.

Your attempt to turn spanking into beatings won't fly with me. My mother smoked while pregnant as did 90% of mothers of that generation. People turned out just fine. If not then please point out the tens of millions of victims. I am not one and I don't see them.

[daschess1987]

61. The beating you're referring to wasn't a spanking

and what I mentioned wasn't either. How dare you minimize child abuse! You still haven't answered the question, and you did NOT turn out "fine."

[former9thward]

70. I did not refer to any beating if you bothered to read my posts.

And don't you dare put words in my mouth about "minimizing child abuse". How dare you! Yes I did turn out just fine. Who the hell do you think you are to throw out those insults?

[laundry_queen]

51. You've never read a study on it?

maybe you should start reading. Plenty of stuff out there if one is serious about looking. Until then, your ignorance is showing.

[Logical]

58. I would give up on this one. He/She is determined to think smoking while pregnant is ok. nt

[intaglio]

76. Nicotine is soluable in fat

It takes months to clear from the system. It is detectable in the milk of lactating women. Nicotine is a potent alkaloid that is both addictive and poisonous. It effects brain development. Much infant brain development happens post partum.

Even if nicotine does not cross the placenta do you want a child to suffer tobacco withdrawal symptoms because they drank their mothers milk?

[moriah]

94. There are many, many studies that show increased correlation between smoking during pregnancy and ..

... asthma, ear infections, low birth weight, increased risk of SIDS, and other things.

Of course, how much of this (other than lowered birth weight) is from the fact most women who can't quit smoking while pregnant are also smoking around their kids and therefore having second-hand smoke issues, I don't know.

[edgineered]

4. Nothing wrong with lawn darts?

Nothing wrong with lawn darts under certain conditions. Lets not list them. Lets not go further than a lawn dart sailing over a fence and injuring someone. I don't like to be around dangerous people.

[former9thward]

37. Stay in your home.

An airplane part might fall on your head.

[edgineered]

45. Or someone might throw a wrench out

off the garage while working on a bike or car. By that reasoning I could claim that anyone stupid enough to walk on the sidewalk in front of my house deserved to get hit. Let me guess, someone here doesn't catch on too quickly.

[former9thward]

71. Fear!, Fear!, Fear!

Someone somewhere might be having fun! Got to shut that down!

[edgineered]

72. Please answer this question -

You cannot see the similarities of me throwing a heavy metal wrench at a garbage can across the garage, missing, and then hitting someone and me throwing a similar object with fins that make it fly even further, but at a different target, yet also hitting that same person?

What if I thought it was fun to throw the wrench? Should I be responsible for that persons injuries if he had not chosen to stay in his house? Should I not be responsible if I put wings on the wrench?

Please enlighten me.

[former9thward]

84. No, I deal in the real world.

Not in the world of silly hypotheticals. Do you really go around throwing wrenches at garbage cans? So you can play word games if you want. Should we ban baseball? Occasionally people get hit by foul balls which can injure. In court we try to look at things as a reasonable person would look at them. You would not fall into that category.

[edgineered]

85. If you like to banter,

Before taking this too personally, see my reply #79 to this thread from this morning.

[former9thward]

86. I read it.

Would you take out dart games in bars?

[edgineered]

87. Of course not

Just like playing darts in a bar or in someone's garage or basement, where ever, everyone is aware of what's going on. I remember playing jarts. I also remember people at parties and picnics and parks playing jarts. It only takes a second for someone who is not part of a group, like the people in the parks, etc, who are not aware or not paying attention to chase a ball into a perfectly thrown shot and get hit. Equally at fault are those throwing jarts in those situations for not being aware of the potential accident waiting to happen. We could talk about people just throwing them up in the air to see how high they go or how far, or even drunken games.

Look at the game of pick. Sometimes the ten or twelve pound pick would take a bad hop careening toward other players. Its pretty funny watching 300 pound bikers jumping like ballerinas, but pick is played in an environment where everyone knows the risks and doesn't foolishly endanger someone else - like darts in a bar.

[former9thward]

88. Actually most people in a bar-- if its crowded -- are not that aware of a dart game.

People, afterall, are drinking. Someone can easily be walking past a game and come into range of a not so good player. I guess we have different attitudes toward risk.

[edgineered]

89. 'nuff said. I am not your enemy

and I think that the risks of looking bad outweigh any benefit for either of us on this topic.

Future discussions exempt, of course... Agree?

[former9thward]

90. Agree.

Game of darts?

[edgineered]

91. That's too funny!

[Mojorabbit]

78. I adore lawn darts!

This is not a safe world and has never been one.

[edgineered]

79. I can't argue about that

Just as former9thward is not pleased that some idiots don't know enough to use sense when playing jarts, neither am I. On a place we called Mt Ida we played a game we called pick. Way more dangerous than jarts. Its played like horseshoes. Scratch a three foot square in the ground on each end of the court, about 40 feet apart. Now throw the pickaxe. If the pointy end sticks in the square it is 2 points; the blunt end, only 1, Pick was never outlawed and as far as I know no one ever got hurt. But we didn't play it on the beach, near kids, or for that matter near anyone who could get hurt.

That being said, I still think it was a good idea to take dangerous flying pointy objects out of the hands of the general population.

[treestar]

6. So, statistically some were not fine

and that is why no one smokes when pregnant now. Geez.

[former9thward]

17. Who was not fine?

What exactly are the statistics? What is the injury and where is the scientific proof of cause? Entire generations smoked while pregnant and the country did just fine.

[Logical]

29. I really am shocked you actually believe that......

Literally 30 seconds on Google found this......Let me know if you want more proof.

Children with severe asthma are 3.6 times more likely to have been exposed to tobacco smoking before birth – even without later exposure – than children with a mild form of the disease, according to a multicenter study led by researchers at University of California, San Francisco (UCSF).

http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2011/08/10474/smoking-during-pregnancy-linked-persistent-asthma-childhood

How Does Smoking During Pregnancy Harm My Health and My Baby?
Most people know that smoking causes cancer, heart disease, and other major health problems. Smoking during pregnancy causes additional health problems, including premature birth (being born too early), certain birth defects, and infant death.

Smoking makes it harder for a woman to get pregnant.
Women who smoke during pregnancy are more likely than other women to have a miscarriage.
Smoking can cause problems with the placentaExternal Web Site Icon—the source of the baby's food and oxygen during pregnancy. For example, the placenta can separate from the womb too early, causing bleeding, which is dangerous to the mother and baby.
Pregnant coupleSmoking during pregnancy can cause a baby to be born too early or to have low birth weight—making it more likely the baby will be sick and have to stay in the hospital longer. A few babies may even die.
Smoking during and after pregnancy is a risk factor of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). SIDS is an infant death for which a cause of the death cannot be found.
Babies born to women who smoke are more likely to have certain birth defects, like a cleft lip or cleft palate.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/tobaccousepregnancy/

[former9thward]

40. Smoking has dramatically decreased

and asthma has dramatically increased. Those facts fly in the face of your "study". How come in the 50s asthma was almost unheard of and now every other kid has an inhaler?

[treestar]

47. The study is not contradicted by that

Talk about twisted "logic."

The study is between those who smoked and those who did not. It doesn't claim asthma is caused only by smoking mothers.

[Logical]

48. Ok.......

So you "never seen a study" (meaning you never even looked) but when I show you one you don't believe it. Did you see the CDC information? Or don't believe that either?

LOL, you are really cracking me up.

Here is another one you can say is not valid in your expert medical opinion! LOL

Smoking During Pregnancy Increases Risk for Preterm Birth

February 26, 2010 (Crystal City, Virginia) — Tobacco use during pregnancy increases the risk for preterm birth — spontaneous and, to an even greater degree, medically indicated — according to a study presented here at Preventive Medicine 2010: the Annual Meeting of the American College of Preventive Medicine.

Smoking during pregnancy has been associated with a host of complications, including low birth weight, premature rupture of the membranes, placenta previa, placental abruption, and preterm birth.

Most studies looking at preterm birth do not distinguish between medically indicated and spontaneous preterm birth. However, the etiologic basis of the 2 likely differ significantly, noted lead investigator Muktar Aliyu, MD, MPH, DrPH, assistant professor of preventive medicine at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center Institute for Global Health in Nashville, Tennessee,

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/717666

[former9thward]

54. Now you are running away from asthma.

You mentioned asthma as a cause of pregnant mothers smoking and I asked why has asthma increased and while smoking decreased. Now you are worried about "placenta previa".

[Logical]

55. I give up. You are right, smoking while pregnant is 100% OK? Encouraged really. You win! nt

[laundry_queen]

57. Yep, lots of studies out there. Tons, actually.

Can't believe someone would start arguing this having never read a study, lol. Unreal.

Anecdotally, I had 2 friends nearly die because of smoking while pregnant (nearly 18 years ago now). Both had severe placental problems with their pregnancies and nearly bled to death. One had a complete hysterectomy after her first baby so she could live (after receiving 12 units of blood). The other one also had many units of blood (her third baby) but managed to keep her uterus. Her child has severe learning disabilities. She's had 4 kids in all and had placental problems with every single pregnancy. Many times the doctor told her to quit smoking while pregnant, but she didn't. Her oldest also has issues (severe eye and vision problems and mild learning disabilities). Her second child had severe food allergies and asthma. She delivered all of her babies early (4-7 weeks early). Her sister, who didn't smoke, had none of the same pregnancy problems and none of her children had learning disabilities or health issues. All anecdotal, yes, but that's pretty much what all the studies say.

[Logical]

59. I know......

Talk about someone doubling down on being 100% incorrect.

Wow, that is sad about your friends. Scary!

You are right about the studies. Dozens of them. Maybe he knows they are there but never "read" them!

[nomorenomore08]

74. This is literally the dumbest thread I think I've ever seen on DU.

How does someone literally believe that smoking while pregnant causes no complications, despite decades of strong evidence and societal consensus to the contrary? It's on par with believing that Jesus rode dinosaurs, or that people (even in brutally oppressive environments) "choose" to be gay.

[Logical]

80. +1000 nt

[treestar]

44. seriesly

You are claiming smoking during pregnancy is not going to hurt anything?

It is so generally accepted by society that surely there is a medical study showing something - I recall something about lower birth weights.

[former9thward]

52. How come my generation did not have lower birth weights?

[treestar]

81. If that is true, it does not follow that smoking is not going to result in

more low birth rates. Because of the people who didn't smoke who are included in "everybody."

[moriah]

95. Well, here's what the CDC says.

I trust them.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/tobaccousepregnancy/

[tblue37]

12. And my younger sister was rushed repeatedly to the emergency room with life-threatening asthma

attacks because our parents smoked around us all the time.

And when he was almost 10, my son's serious asthma, which was continually being exacerbated by my ex-husband's smoking around him, sent him to the emergency room 3 times during a weekend at his father's house--and finally he had to be admitted and kept on an oxygen monitor for almost a week after they took him to the ER for the third time that weekend.

This is absolute BS:

What exactly happened to you and your brother because your mom smoked? My mom smoked with both me and my sister and we turned out just fine.

Just because you didn't suffer from your parent's smoking doesn't mean it isn't dangerous and potentially deadly. Some people don't get lung cancer or heart disease from smoking and even end up living unusually long lives despite being smokers--but that doesn't mean that smoking isn't a major cause of deaths from both lung cancer and heart disease!

[former9thward]

21. Why has asthma increased in the U.S. while smoking has decreased?

If your theories are correct it should be the opposite.

[tblue37]

25. Air pollution and other allergenic pollutants in the air and environment.

Smoke from cigarettes is a pollutant, and it causes localized air pollution. Just as it can cause or exacerbate asthma symptoms, so can other pollutants. As smoking has decreased, other asthma-inducing pollutants have picked up the slack. Also, the incidence of asthma and most of the worst cases occur in the very demographics in which smoking has not significantly decreased.

[former9thward]

33. Ahh no.

Hate science don't you? Air pollution has dropped like a rock since the late 60s/early 70s. Don't believe me, look at any EPA chart on the subject. You will have to make something else up.

[tblue37]

42. That depends on where you are--and where you are depends on your socioeconomic class

in the US, and on your nationality and class in other parts of the world.

[nomorenomore08]

75. +1000

I can't believe this stuff is so hard to grasp. Unbelievable.

[Nye Bevan]

13. Whoa. A post that advocates hitting children AND smoking while pregnant.

Nice!

[former9thward]

18. Don't like science do you?

Or logic...

[Nye Bevan]

19. I love science! But I hate adults hitting children! (nt)

[former9thward]

24. And you have undisciplined children.

Ever been to a school in the last 20 years?

[tblue37]

28. I had a large role in raising 37 children (my 2 and 35 others) during my 18 years

as a home daycare provider. I didn't hit them or yell at them. They were all very well behaved for me, and they all grew up fine.

I insisted on good behavior, but I never needed to resort to being mean or violent.

[Dorian Gray]

77. You really think

you need to hit kids to discipline them?

[pnwmom]

26. Lots of children have developed asthma from smoking parents. I did, and asthma is especially

common among poor kids -- whose parents have a higher rate of smoking than higher income people. Lower income parents have a lot of environmental problems they can't control, but not smoking around their kids is one thing they can.

[former9thward]

35. Try again.

Smoking has consistently decreased and asthma has consistently increased. You will have to come up with another theory.

[pnwmom]

39. So what? Smoking is the environmental factor that can be controlled. It is an undeniable trigger

for asthma. Just because the home contains other contaminants isn't an excuse for a parent to smoke. In fact, it's just the opposite. A child living in a polluted environment suffers even more than other children do from cigarette exposure.

[laundry_queen]

64. Oh dear god.

Your posts have me ROTFL. You think smoking is the one and only trigger for asthma or something? Perhaps you need to read those studies too.

[former9thward]

68. So why has asthma increased?

What are these other "triggers" that have increased since you are running away from smoking?

[laundry_queen]

73. Not running away from smoking, how ridiculous

You do have a talent for twisting arguments, I'll give you that. Just because smoking is going down and asthma isn't, doesn't mean smoking isn't related to asthma. Some science knowledge would tell you that. Again with the reading the studies advice.

Asthma is triggered by many things, smoking is but one, and asthma is often related to allergies which has any number of complex causes, including immune issues starting in childhood caused by crappy indoor air quality from airtight houses with closed windows, offgassing from any number of products, chemicals used for cleaning and so on. It's been theorized by scientists that children who grow up in immaculately clean houses will have more allergies as they grow due to a dysfunctional immune system that doesn't get enough 'practice' on non-harmful every day dirt. A study in Germany showed that Amish children had nearly no food or environmental allergies (and very little asthma) due to spending time outdoors, in the dirt and with animals and livestock from the time they are able to crawl. Children need to be desensitized against everything in their environment when they are small and if they aren't, they risk developing allergies which are closely linked with asthma. You keep going on about air pollution going down while ignoring that children spend much more time indoors, and that indoor air pollution is a huge problem these days with energy efficient buildings and closed air systems. Also, with an increase of CO2 in the atmosphere, allergenic plants have a tendency to release more pollen into the air, also triggering allergies even in people that previously didn't have allergies. I didn't develop asthma and allergies until I was a teenager. My asthma is directly linked to my allergies. Allergies have to do with a dysfunctional immune system. I also have other health conditions linked with immune issues.

The immune system is still mostly a big unknown but plays a major role in asthma. We know breastfeeding reduces asthma and allergies. We know having a family pet reduces them. We know having a clean house increases them. We know spending a lot of time outdoors, in the dirt and with animals as babies and toddlers reduces them. We know certain viruses can trigger allergies and asthma. We know genetics can trigger asthma and allergies. There are other possible triggers we don't yet understand or things that are possibly linked but no causation has been found as of yet, like perhaps problems with intestinal flora related to antibiotics, or the prevalence of fire retardant chemicals on children's clothing.

Anyway, I could go on for awhile, but I know you are able to read the studies yourself. Look it up. You'll se what I say is consistent with the information out there.

[kcr]

82. What are your thoughts on global warming? And whether or not the earth is flat or round? n/t

[Warpy]

2. The 60s were even less violent than the 50s

I didn't have cuts but I did sport bruises from time to time. We all did.

And no, I don't ever want children to go back to that.

[babylonsister]

5. When I was a kid belts and swatches of plants with stickers were used on us.

Yep. All five of us. Not often, but it happened.

Added for comparison; we were very well-behaved, Dad is still alive, and I still love him.

[Gormy Cuss]

7. Yep. I was spanked frequently. Never "switched" or "beaten" though.

Open hand on the butt. No welts, no bruises. Not shaken. Not thrown. It was what passed for reasonable discipline at the time.
That said, there's no evidence that corporal punishment like that was more effective than new methods like time-outs or denial of toys or other privileges, so why hit a child? Why, as the person a child should view as the ultimate advocate, the person who will always be on their side, would anyone want to send the message that parenting is about HURTING?

When I was a kid spankings were considered normal. On the other hand, beatings and other punishments where bruised or welts formed, skin was broken, bones were dislocated or broken.... those weren't acceptable even then.

[1dogleft]

8. lets not forget

he is in the NFL and now that makes him extra evil.
kids actually when out and played without a prearranged "playdate" want to go back to those days
kids drank out of a garden hose...

[Logical]

14. I dont think NFL players are more evil. No more than any other group. Just in the public eye......

also, I remember you could stop by any house and use their hose and mo one cared.

Still like drinking out of the garden hose when mowing. Taste better.

[pnwmom]

32. What makes him extra evil is that he switched his boy in the "nuts,"

also beat him with belts, also has punched him in the face (the boy was afraid to tell the police because he might get punched in the face again), and the boy says his dad has a "whooping room."

[RufusTFirefly]

9. Although I don't condone recklessness and I never condone violence...

... this country's level of risk aversion has long since reached neurotic proportions.

Many of our fellow citizens spend their lives cowering in fear and paralyzed by dread and regret.
No wonder we're so easily manipulated by propaganda.
When you're perpetually threatened, stressed, or otherwise afraid, you lose your capacity for rational thought and your ability to empathize with your fellow humans.

[pnwmom]

34. RISK AVERSION???? What does your post have to do with the OP?

The four year old was beaten on the legs and scrotum, to the point of bleeding. He says his father has beaten him with belts, and punched him in the face. He was afraid to tell the police for fear he'd get punched in the face again.

All this because he pushed a sibling off of a video game.

This isn't about this father being less "risk aversive" than most parents. This is about rage and aggression, and a man who should lose custody of all his children -- since he's vowed "never to eliminate whooping" them.

[hfojvt]

49. it is not so much the cowering in fear

as it is the "life must be perfectly safe and anybody who is unsafe must be harshly punished" or "I would not do that, so nobody else should be allowed to either".

Like, you know, ride a bicycle without wearing a helmet.

I know, try not to faint, but some people might actually do that.

And laws should be passed to prevent them from ever doing so. Because it is just too risky.

[tblue37]

60. But what in the heck does this issue have to do with the situation under discussion?

Beating a child with a switch and leaving welts, cuts, and bruises all over his body from it is not at all related to the issue of whether or not Americans are scaredy cats.

The little boy didn't choose to ride a bike without a helmet, nor did he choose to get whipped, so we certainly are not criticizing him for taking risks we might not want to take.

Nor are we criticizing his father for taking risks. Peterson wasn't taking any physical risks at all, since even most grown men would be hard pressed to do him any damage by fighting back if he chose to whip them with a switch, so he was not risking anything by whipping his 4-year-old son.

[LittleBlue]

10. Breaking the skin and bruising is where I draw the line

between discipline and abuse. Peterson's actions are way over the line.

[Logical]

11. Great point! nt

[Aerows]

16. I wish someone would have told my father that.

He loved switches. If hitting you on the butt didn't make you cry loud enough, it migrated to your bare legs where it *really* hurt.

Anyone that tells me that such acts lead to well-adjusted adults is welcome to undergo them as adults.

Actually, no. Violence and domination breeds what? Either more violence or a repugnance for such things.

I would not subject an adult to a beating, and I fucking well wouldn't subject a child to one. That is my final say on this matter, and I think I have some "skin" in this game.

[LittleBlue]

20. I'm sorry to hear that

I can't imagine what it's like for children who were afraid of their parents. Switches and belts are really bad and I wouldn't consider them for my kids.

[Aerows]

38. I love my parents, don't get me wrong

but I have always been a little autistic. I didn't know what I was in trouble for when it happened much of the time.

Beating a kid or just plainly doling out punishment should have meaning. I was never beaten into unconsciousness, but I certainly was beaten out of confusion of what I did to deserve it.

[LittleBlue]

43. Beaten for the effects of autism?

Wow.

[moriah]

96. As I said in another post in a different thread, breaking the skin only happened to me once.

My mother, who had never spanked me before but had been spanked as a child, lost her temper when I refused to go to school, and switched me until i was bleeding.

Now, the fact I am a ginger who can scratch her arm and create a welt in the shape of the scratch -- dermatographia -- meant that the first scratches from the switch created welts. When those welts were switched, that's when the skin broke and blood was drawn. She was so angry she didn't realize the damage she'd done until she looked down, and regretted it immediately.

But in reality, the same switching on a normal kid probably would have not broken the skin, let alone left blood running down my legs. (And since I didn't go to school that day, obviously, the spanking backfired... I got my way.)

[Skittles]

23. my dad only had to give us "the look"

I only remember getting spanked very hard on the butt once - I was playing with matches and burned a hole in my dress

[pnwmom]

83. Yes, because he had made you afraid of him. Wonderful parenting.

[Blanks]

27. My mom spanked us with hot wheels tracks...

And ran after us hopping on one foot because she was pulling the shoe off the other foot to hit us with.

I'm pretty sure the hot wheels tracks left some marks, and when the old man pulled off his belt - I'm almost positive that left marks.

That's just the way things were and while I hate to think that this sort of thing might still go on. When it's all that you know - you don't know that it's wrong.

I'm not completely anti-spanking as a form of discipline, but it should serve as a quick response to a reckless situation (i.e. The child dashes toward the street - you quickly spank them).

We rode in the back window on long trips too. I'm just horrified by this now, but a lot has changed in the last 50 or so years. If we want things to be better - we have to actively teach parents or they will resort to the default behavior of their parents.

[jwirr]

41. One of the things I have not seen talked about in any of these threads about abusive football

players is the fact that even with their excessive strength and ability to do violence in the game yet they are using this to hurt persons smaller and weaker than they are. There is something terribly wrong with anyone who must pick on someone weaker in order to feel good about themselves. At the least it is cowardly and at the most it is evil.

[raven mad]

46. Dad used to use a cut-off piece of garden hose.

Fortunately, his aim was bad and we were quick.

[kairos12]

62. The days of no seat belts and doctors smoking in your face.

[bpositive]

63. Been spanked

Bitten, stabbed with a fork but I turned out fine. Really - still trying to get my head straight 30 years later.

I have three kids- a 14 yo, a set of twins b & g 10 yo. Never laid a hand on them- never will. Violence teaches and encourages violence. Hitting a child or another person is a failure of communication- hitting encourages hitting and violence.

[Logical]

65. Wow, I am sorry that happened to you.....

I can't imagine how a young child handle that terrible treatment.

You should be proud you were a much better parent!!

[bpositive]

67. I am a better person

I learned a lot of what not to do from my parent.

Thanks

[john kale]

69. Amen!

I am sorry for your abuse but glad you learned to do better as a result. It is utter failure. And any adult who thinks it is an effective teacher--shame on you.

[MFM008]

66. I was nailed

with whatever my mom could get her hands on, usually a belt, usually left ugly welts. I hid them with long sleeves and truly thought that must happen to all the kids all over............

[Sancho]

92. The first year I taught school, I was issued a paddle cut from an old desktop...

our rules provided for paddling kids (middle school) for certain offenses (fighting). Parents gave permission and paddling required a witness.

At the time, there was no controversy in rural SC. We didn't think of it as abuse, and most kids were probably more embarrassed than physically hurt.

We all have to admit that we are products of our times. I'm sure that 40-50 years from now some things that are common today will seem stupid, be declared illegal, or be proven unhealthy!!

I hope everyone on this thread lives long enough to prove me right (or wrong).

[Logical]

93. Great point! nt