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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:14 AM Sep 2014

LAPD Confuses Black Actress Kissing White Husband for Prostitute

African-American actress Danièle Watts claims she was "handcuffed and detained" by police officers from the Studio City Police Department in Los Angeles on Thursday after allegedly being mistaken for a prostitute.

According to accounts by Watts and her husband Brian James Lucas, two police officers mistook the couple for a prostitute and client when they were seen showing affection in public. When the officers asked Watts to produce a photo ID when questioned, she refused. Watts was subsequently handcuffed and placed in the back of a police cruiser while the officers attempted to figure out who she was. The two officers released Watts shortly afterwards.

Watts, who played CoCo in Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained and currently stars in Martin Lawrence vehicle Partners, posted an account of the incident on her Facebook page:

"As I was sitting in the back of the police car, I remembered the countless times my father came home frustrated or humiliated by the cops when he had done nothing wrong," wrote Watts. "I felt his shame, his anger, and my own feelings of frustration for existing in a world where I have allowed myself to believe that “authority figures” could control my BEING… my ability to BE!!!!!!!"

Watt's husband Brian Lucas, who is white, claimed that the two were targeted by police for being an interracial couple. In a seperate post on his Facebook page, Lucas said that "from the questions that asked me as D was already on her phone with her dad, I could tell that whoever called on us (including the officers), saw a tatted RAWKer white boy and a hot bootie shorted black girl and thought we were a HO (prostitute) & a TRICK (client)."

http://mic.com/articles/98826/lapd-confuses-black-actress-kissing-white-husband-for-prostitute

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LAPD Confuses Black Actress Kissing White Husband for Prostitute (Original Post) Blue_Tires Sep 2014 OP
saw this on local news, they said some "citizen" called the police to complain about it JI7 Sep 2014 #1
Ironically, in my hometown-- which used to be a "sunset town"-- Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #168
I seriously doubt anyone called. That's just cop CYA. Probably the cops just saw them, tblue37 Sep 2014 #222
Horrible. Heidi Sep 2014 #2
K&R silverweb Sep 2014 #3
My grandson is biracial mimi85 Sep 2014 #13
Will the stupidity ever f*%#ing end? Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #4
Either it's getting worse malaise Sep 2014 #61
I'm Going With B ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #104
I agree n/t malaise Sep 2014 #117
I think a little of both. PeoViejo Sep 2014 #133
Comments pages on the internet also allow many folks to say things they'd never malaise Sep 2014 #136
What really riles me PeoViejo Sep 2014 #144
Well we see that a lot more here than you do there malaise Sep 2014 #148
I presume NOLALady Sep 2014 #203
We're hearing it more. There was a time when these two would've been beaten, at best! arcane1 Sep 2014 #202
Maybe Obama can have a beer with the cops. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #204
Good grief. nt WhiteAndNerdy Sep 2014 #5
I can see why Daničle Watts would be so insulted and Pissed that she wouldn't Cha Sep 2014 #6
It is humiliating. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #16
These showings of resistance are necessary so the police are forced to use Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #162
Absolutely. Cha Sep 2014 #219
I was mistaken by a cop for a hooker Skittles Sep 2014 #7
ok..not going to make a joke steve2470 Sep 2014 #199
I WILL KICK VALUED steve2470 ARSE Skittles Sep 2014 #218
They used to harass us all the time on Broadway Ave. in San Antonio. Rozlee Sep 2014 #216
When I lived in LA I was stopped and hassled Demobrat Sep 2014 #8
LAPD are dickwads AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #9
Wow, what year did this happen? RE EDITED. zonkers Sep 2014 #263
Around 1981 AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #313
That was the "Daryl Gates" era. Chokeholds, Eleanor Bumpers. It all kind of led to the 93 riots, zonkers Sep 2014 #314
Oh yeah AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #322
But, arent we required, by law, to provide ID to the police if we are asked? TheDebbieDee Sep 2014 #10
No. Evidently CA has no "stop and identify law" cali Sep 2014 #11
At least we don't have mimi85 Sep 2014 #12
No--only in states that have a stop and identify law. tblue37 Sep 2014 #15
As a permanent resident, I am obliged to show my ID on demand. mwooldri Sep 2014 #217
K&R. nt tblue37 Sep 2014 #14
Maybe you should just Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #17
Why? Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #18
Because it's the adult thing to do. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #19
No, it's not. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #21
I missed that in the article Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #24
Here, let me help you... Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #25
Where is the summons? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #26
Where is the box on the ID that says "Prostitute: yes or no"? Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #28
Really? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #29
I'll ask YOU again...Where is the box to check if you are a prosititue or not? Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #31
Cop wanted to run her name for priors. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #32
OH! All prostitutes have priors! Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #34
Oy vey Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #35
One can hope. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #38
Good lunasun Sep 2014 #177
In more ways than you mean, I think (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #197
finally thanks LOL, now go make sure you have your papers on you snooper2 Sep 2014 #241
All black women have priors? nt justiceischeap Sep 2014 #48
To many people - yes. JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #52
Really, that's what took away from the post. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #57
I don't need luck, I'm white. justiceischeap Sep 2014 #103
Are you ACTUALLY SAYING that anyone can AND OUGHT to be stopped so a cop can check "for priors"?! WinkyDink Sep 2014 #123
Uhhhh, no. I'm not saying that. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #124
How is that a stretch when that is exactly what you're saying? n/t kcr Sep 2014 #213
No, just anyone "suspicious".... who looks "out of place" Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #205
But HE HAD NO RIGHT TO DO THAT! Because she was not doing anything tblue37 Sep 2014 #225
so, if she had no priors, she is innocent, if she did- automatically guilty? Is that how the system bettyellen Sep 2014 #292
Just a guess. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #295
Summons is not arrested. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #33
Oh, that's better. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #36
My friend JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #50
I seriously doubt that. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #60
Out of curiosity ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #179
Stay curious Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #252
I bet no one called the cops. They're covering their butts because they got tblue37 Sep 2014 #226
Actually, it is. Feral Child Sep 2014 #69
That's interesting. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #72
It's a charge of a violation of geek tragedy Sep 2014 #77
Fair enough. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #82
Legally, it's the same. Feral Child Sep 2014 #94
She was handcufed in public! That is offensive, even if no charges were filed-- tblue37 Sep 2014 #224
false on its face uponit7771 Sep 2014 #41
No, it's the quisling thing to do. Feral Child Sep 2014 #74
Quisling, huh? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #79
I don't grok your post. Feral Child Sep 2014 #97
Don't feed the trolls. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #138
3500 posts since March 15, eh Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #141
I spend a lot of time online. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #146
3500 posts since March 15, eh Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #141
Copy that. Feral Child Sep 2014 #161
That's an interesting definition of ADULT: it's adult to conform, to defer to authority. enough Sep 2014 #112
Something like that I suppose Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #113
Anti-democratic (small "d"), anti-freedom, anti-Civil Rights stance. Let cops run rough- WinkyDink Sep 2014 #125
No---It is the acceding-to-Fascism thing to do. California cops cannot demand ID by LAW. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #121
It's the police who weren't acting like adults! CoffeeCat Sep 2014 #130
I'm with on your first point. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #132
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #171
No. A black person may get stopped and hassled several times a day despite not tblue37 Sep 2014 #223
Considering the article as the sole source Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #248
Wow!!! Some rational thinking here. Amazing. I'm betting you get beat up for this adigal Sep 2014 #293
Thank you for your post. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #297
Cheers back to you - I have been piled on here, too adigal Sep 2014 #305
Why? She do something wrong? B Calm Sep 2014 #20
I guess the difference between you and me is Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #22
LOL... ok... you're late for work.. cop stops you and ask you for ID so he can take 2 seconds uponit7771 Sep 2014 #42
Wow. Aren't you the intuitive one. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #43
Doesn't take to much reasoning to see where people talk from a point of bad perspective uponit7771 Sep 2014 #45
Well ten years in the media Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #49
It's exactly the same JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #53
Look up Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #56
I did JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #58
You lost me Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #59
I'm sorry - responded below JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #63
LOL! Rex Sep 2014 #174
A textbook example of Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #261
Let me guess: White. IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #46
C'mon Ida, you can do better than that. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #114
Since I have been invited... IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #159
That's more like it. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #163
+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Sep 2014 #165
Not to mention that for a black person, any interaction with the police has the tblue37 Sep 2014 #227
Ok then. Where were we? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #242
... Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #336
Sometimes you need to do what's not convenient... Dems2002 Sep 2014 #175
Hearing you. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #259
KWB* Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #23
I love ya! JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #55
I once got stopped for no reason when I was 19 Reter Sep 2014 #160
do you still support zimmerman ? JI7 Sep 2014 #27
I support equal protection regardless of race. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #30
so you no longer support Zimmerman ? JI7 Sep 2014 #39
How many times have you asked me this question. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #40
Here is a question for you. If she had been whit and kissing, would she have been "summoned" kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #47
She wasn't summoned at all, first. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #51
So, in your world, cops have the right to detain geek tragedy Sep 2014 #75
It's not just my world. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #89
Not according to the Supreme Court. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #91
We don't need to live in YOUR world. U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #190
Maybe you should sit Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #243
It is wrongly, and we only live in that world because too many people go along tblue37 Sep 2014 #228
Do people ever look back and regret their rush to judgement? joeglow3 Sep 2014 #323
If they do Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #325
Naw, takes too much time. delete_bush Sep 2014 #335
You said - "I support equal protection regardless of race" Caretha Sep 2014 #155
Lame Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author Demobrat Sep 2014 #37
She exercised her rights by not showing her ID. Vattel Sep 2014 #44
Both sides exercised their rights. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #54
I have to defend her side JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #62
I'm not saying what she did was wrong. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #64
See another response JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #71
If my wife and I were in that sich Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #76
That concedes the cops right to racially profile geek tragedy Sep 2014 #80
What we don't know is the context of location Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #83
They had no reasonable suspicion. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #84
We're kind of in agreement. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #86
No, I'm saying the problem is the cop, not geek tragedy Sep 2014 #90
It's not blame. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #98
"She created plausible suspicion." geek tragedy Sep 2014 #100
It's not my argument. It's the cops. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #101
Why should she have to do that..... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #129
Actually it was mike bloomberg thinking that way Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #131
I was going to let it go, but as an English teacher I just have to say, "defuse." tblue37 Sep 2014 #229
Yeah you got me there. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #247
Typing with arthritic hands on a mobile keyboard. Yes, I accidentally got a "c" in there where tblue37 Sep 2014 #324
Because I know probably some of the same people you know JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #93
Something similar happened to my husband. NOLALady Sep 2014 #211
Actually, you won't get much argument Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #250
It gives implicit consent to the continued abuse of power for its own sake. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #330
And if those were the facts Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #333
My husband is a Black man NOLALady Sep 2014 #209
My parents were run off the road JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #234
The cops don't have a right to be racist jackbooted thugs. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #65
Agreed. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #67
She was detained because she was kissing a white man. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #73
They have NO right to detain without proibable cause RedCappedBandit Sep 2014 #102
Fine. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #106
It's clear that you're not very close to this issue. NT RedCappedBandit Sep 2014 #107
Is it now. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #108
Not when they had no probable cause, and thus no RIGHT, to demand her ID in tblue37 Sep 2014 #232
According to the cop, there was a call made in about lewd acts being comitted. LisaL Sep 2014 #240
I suppose that without the details Vattel Sep 2014 #66
Probably true. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #68
Why should we have to? a la izquierda Sep 2014 #70
Ask the goverment. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #78
There is no law requiring people to carry ID. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #81
That may be true Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #85
NO THEY CAN'T. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #87
Yes. And yes they can. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #92
It's illegal for them to do so. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #95
They're breaking the law. RedCappedBandit Sep 2014 #105
+infinity. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #145
What If, Because You're NOT Driving. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #110
The problem with your argument is Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #111
No it isn't gollygee Sep 2014 #116
Keep reading Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #128
Prove It ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #120
Here you go Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #126
What about the part where they can't do that? PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #140
Let's start with 1 and I'll be happy to go to two Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #147
Refusing to produce a photo ID does not mean she had one muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #198
May be Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #249
As police officers, they should have known it was their duty to back off at that point muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #251
Lol Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #253
Good for her for refusing. phylny Sep 2014 #215
You said - "I'm showing my ID abd walking the f away. Feel free to make your own choice" Caretha Sep 2014 #157
You were alerted on, just so you know. 99Forever Sep 2014 #169
I've been at work Caretha Sep 2014 #207
They can because they do? That's some circular reasoning you've got going on there. suffragette Sep 2014 #186
Please, your're not saying what I think your saying Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #246
Have you considered they do because... BklnDem75 Sep 2014 #238
Some states are stop and identify, like CO. joshcryer Sep 2014 #99
When I read about the civil case Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #109
You will. joshcryer Sep 2014 #134
Fair enough Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #135
FWIW, I think stop and identify is illegal. joshcryer Sep 2014 #164
I hear you. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #260
I agree, in this country, we are not required to have ID on us treestar Sep 2014 #166
CA is not a stop and identify state. joshcryer Sep 2014 #96
MAYBE THE COPS SHOULD OBEY THEIR OWN STATE'S LAWS. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #119
Again. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #122
It is her LEGAL RIGHT to refuse to show it. Did YOU read the whole thing? It wasn't a traffic stop. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #127
Again. She is not required to produce ID by law. PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #150
Who are you talking to Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #151
Well, let's see, I'm not aware that the cops, or the actress are posting... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #152
Point Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #153
HOLY FUCK SHE REFUSED TO SHOW HER ID Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #206
She was not driving, so she does not have to carry ID treestar Sep 2014 #167
Maybe cops should not instantly profile people based on racist notions? Rex Sep 2014 #172
If as the husband wrote the police whistler162 Sep 2014 #236
The caller did not cuff and detain Danielle... BklnDem75 Sep 2014 #239
The conversation was held and she refused a request for ID whistler162 Sep 2014 #303
She has a right to refuse... BklnDem75 Sep 2014 #306
No arguement from me. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #256
I never carry ID. hunter Sep 2014 #180
And you told the cop which? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #254
Once, as a brash young man, I said the flowery equivalent of "fuck you" but that didn't end well. hunter Sep 2014 #274
Likewise to a large extent. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #275
What singular point? That we should passively accept police abuse? hunter Sep 2014 #280
Maybe it's don't sweat the small stuff. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #282
It's not small stuff. hunter Sep 2014 #286
If you're referring to the OP Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #288
Dear badge bunnies, badge backers, bootlickers, cop-cultists and so-called "cops" 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #191
Why the fuck are you telling me this. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #255
Just to clarify, by "so-called cops" I'm talking about the violent psychopaths who joined the force 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #264
Maybe you should read the constitution. cui bono Sep 2014 #195
Would you point me to the spot in the Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #257
Unreal. The arresting officers should face consequences for this. Chemisse Sep 2014 #88
1st their bosses heard about the incident was when posted online. cops Didnt even file a report Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #212
I don't even get this! get the red out Sep 2014 #115
PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #173
CA can't require ID! Disturbing acknowledgment from a CA cop (see first reply): WinkyDink Sep 2014 #118
That answer was rather chilling to read...and the "Great Answer!" response... ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #188
Do johns normally kiss their tricks? HipChick Sep 2014 #137
That struck me as well. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #154
NO. Rex Sep 2014 #182
BTW, I am not going to ask how you know that, but just HipChick Sep 2014 #183
Very good observation on your part. Rex Sep 2014 #185
Exactly..scraping the barrel for excuses for racial profiling HipChick Sep 2014 #192
or leave the door to the car open ? KurtNYC Sep 2014 #301
No words. merrily Sep 2014 #139
A more correct title... Nosey parker mistakes husband and wife whistler162 Sep 2014 #141
Dumbass cops...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #149
Good for her! The people who cave and comply just embolden the cops to do more of this crap. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2014 #158
Did They Ask Her White Husband For ID otohara Sep 2014 #170
Yes, they did ask him, and he showed it muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #200
in SoCal no less…. dhill926 Sep 2014 #176
Clearly a case of kissing while black and white. L0oniX Sep 2014 #178
This thread taught me something important about my ignore list alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #181
Don't do that JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #187
Well, Los Angeles being the Deep South and all, are we really that surprised? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #184
Well, I learned a lot from this thread. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #189
Right? PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #193
This: Brigid Sep 2014 #194
Zee did not show zee papers!! Strelnikov_ Sep 2014 #196
just horrible nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #201
it has happened before. i recall that the interacial couple had to show their matching wedding Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #208
before they realized she was a celebrity, they threatened her with ambulance and drugging Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #210
2nd most read story on dailymail today. comments are overwhelmingly anti police state Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #214
SUE!!!!! Norm Guy Sep 2014 #220
If she can find the person who called the whistler162 Sep 2014 #235
I had to kick the duplicate of this thread in order to make a comment..... Norm Guy Sep 2014 #221
This message was self-deleted by its author Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #230
Motherfuckers IronLionZion Sep 2014 #231
Seems another good argument to legalize prostitution. Trillo Sep 2014 #233
If it wasn't this, it would be something else gollygee Sep 2014 #237
Update from TMZ with audio of the interaction between her and LAPD 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #244
It's an audio of what happened. LisaL Sep 2014 #245
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO RESPOND TO ME HERE? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #266
Sure, had her story (which may be bullshit) been true you'd be wrong. If the Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #268
Go read my first response then listen to the audio Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #269
Meh.... It's been explained to you throughout the thread why you would've been wrong. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #270
LOL Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #271
Whatever you say champ. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #272
Best damn crickets I ever heard. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #304
Even self-perceived self-validation is better than no self-validation at all... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #331
But when it's actual Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #332
Daddy Daddy! LOL snooper2 Sep 2014 #294
I hope she and her husband sue the fuck out of those racist pigs SaltyBro Sep 2014 #258
Are you going to come back and admit the cop was right and you were wrong? joeglow3 Sep 2014 #326
In this day and age and in Studio city, no less! (really an adjunct of Hollywood). No decent cop zonkers Sep 2014 #262
Eyewitnesses claim they had sexual intercourse in public. closeupready Sep 2014 #265
There is zero proof that this was the case SaltyBro Sep 2014 #273
Here on DU, there typically IS "zero proof" of anything that closeupready Sep 2014 #279
If you actually believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #289
why? How do you think the police got there? What's more likely cali Sep 2014 #290
Most likely? Someone didn't like a biracial couple kissing. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #291
Eyewitness accounts, particularly where parts are independently corroborated, closeupready Sep 2014 #296
Then why were they not summonsed or arrested? NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #309
Arrest a witness - why? ??? closeupready Sep 2014 #317
Wow... NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #318
Oh ok, I get it - you hate cops. Anything else closeupready Sep 2014 #320
I'd rather stand with the people of Ferguson, MO. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #321
Wow. What a disgusting move to avoid admitting your rush to judgement made you look like a fool. joeglow3 Sep 2014 #327
Most likely police are not that interested in pursuing this type of alleged crime. LisaL Sep 2014 #329
In studio city! If you believe that Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #298
Racism exists everywhere. Even in the bluest of places. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #308
You ain't gotta tell me boss. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #310
Then why would you deny it in studio city. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #311
Racism may exist in studio city Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #316
A police department is about to be sued Gothmog Sep 2014 #267
So, kissing is now --- oldandhappy Sep 2014 #276
Newest reports indicate they were doing a lot more than kissing Bonx Sep 2014 #277
OK Thanks oldandhappy Sep 2014 #278
Newest reports? gollygee Sep 2014 #281
Well, they do have the original audio Bonx Sep 2014 #283
Where she does exactly what? gollygee Sep 2014 #284
I'll leave you to argue the semantics Bonx Sep 2014 #285
It isn't a semantic argument. It's a political argument. gollygee Sep 2014 #287
You are right, the cop was wrong, instead of saying "bringing up the race card" snooper2 Sep 2014 #299
hehe TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #300
Audio has been released: KurtNYC Sep 2014 #302
Is YOUR state on the "Stop and Identify" list? Thank God mine is not (nor is CA): WinkyDink Sep 2014 #307
The distinction Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #312
California's stop and identify status is a murky mess. Xithras Sep 2014 #315
Those laws only require you to identify yourself verbally. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #319
She didn't ID herself verbally. LisaL Sep 2014 #328
I know. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #334
She kept talking on the phone and walked away... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #337

JI7

(89,252 posts)
1. saw this on local news, they said some "citizen" called the police to complain about it
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:20 AM
Sep 2014

some racist

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
168. Ironically, in my hometown-- which used to be a "sunset town"--
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:34 AM
Sep 2014

no one today would call the cops for such a thing.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
222. I seriously doubt anyone called. That's just cop CYA. Probably the cops just saw them,
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:05 PM
Sep 2014

indulged in a little racial profiling, as is their won't, and got caught at it in a most viral way.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
3. K&R
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:39 AM
Sep 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm close friends with a much younger African American man who calls me "Mom."

I wonder what the cops would do to him if we hugged in public?

Racist bastards.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
13. My grandson is biracial
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 05:11 AM
Sep 2014

and it pissed me (and my whiter than white daughter) off to no end how he often he would get stopped DWB is this conservative ass town. Murrieta.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raul-a-reyes/murrieta-immigration-prot_b_5569351.html

You might have heard about our lovely suburb on the news when the racist idiots stood in front of the buses with the immigrant kids and moms on board and wouldn't let them pass. Damn, I wish I could move - sigh, mortgage is so damned low and its just too pricey to move. (Not that having a low mortgage is a bad thing).

Oh, and the shit people said to her when he was a baby/toddler made me puke...but that's too OT for this thread.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
104. I'm Going With B
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:23 AM
Sep 2014

I don't think it's worse because this crap has been going on for centuries. It just way more visible now and it should be.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
133. I think a little of both.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:01 AM
Sep 2014

Without the Intertubes, we would probably never hear about it. The MSM isn't likely to cover it, except locally.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
144. What really riles me
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:13 AM
Sep 2014

Is seeing a Cop, who is obviously not White, participating in or standing by passively, while a person of Color is getting the shit beat out of them for no good reason. That 'Thin Blue Line' is a lot thicker than we think.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
148. Well we see that a lot more here than you do there
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:16 AM
Sep 2014

The attacks are more class based than race based but it's the same working class cops beating up on their own on behalf of hte establishment - it does sicken me.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
203. I presume
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:22 PM
Sep 2014

the non white cops are afraid to stand up for POC.

I've seen that fear at every place I've worked where people of color would not speak out against the abuse of other POC. They fear losing favor at best, losing their jobs at the worst.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
202. We're hearing it more. There was a time when these two would've been beaten, at best!
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:18 PM
Sep 2014

One can hope we don't slide back to THAT!

Cha

(297,322 posts)
6. I can see why Daničle Watts would be so insulted and Pissed that she wouldn't
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:52 AM
Sep 2014

want to show the police her ID.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
16. It is humiliating.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 05:37 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Racial profiling in a whole new light. Thankfully, it is the Los Angeles PD and not the Liberal Angeles PD, or I am sure there would be 'some' reason it wasn't racist.

It is amazing the lengths which some will endure in order to ignore shit like this or claim it is something it isn't.

ETA: my bad...spoke to soon!

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
162. These showings of resistance are necessary so the police are forced to use
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:00 AM
Sep 2014

their brains and stop relying on stereotyped reasoning.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
7. I was mistaken by a cop for a hooker
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 03:02 AM
Sep 2014

I was standing on a street sidewalk smoking a cig (taking a break from my job at 01:00 AM)

I showed him my work badge......I cannot imagine being handcuffed over that mistake

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
216. They used to harass us all the time on Broadway Ave. in San Antonio.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:18 PM
Sep 2014

Many of us active duty gals from Fort Sam would do our laundry on Broadway if the facilities in the on-post living quarters had too many people using them. Sometimes, we'd stroll to the convenience store nearby for sodas and snacks and it never failed; some nimrod cop would always stop to ask us who we were and what we were doing walking down the street, especially if we were minorities. All military installations have a red light district around them, but that's no reason to harass every woman they see and assume right away that we're all "whores." And what if we were? Consenting adults shouldn't be harassed and this is the land of capitalism and free enterprise.

Demobrat

(8,982 posts)
8. When I lived in LA I was stopped and hassled
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 03:26 AM
Sep 2014

by the cops on 3 different occasions for walking down Sunset Blvd. Apparently only hookers walk in LA, but I didn't get the memo. I wasn't handcuffed or thrown in the back of the car - but then I'm white.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
9. LAPD are dickwads
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:49 AM
Sep 2014

I remember them threatening to beat me and my friend for waiting at a bus stop. I remember seeing them with about 30 gay teenagers handcuffed to a fence in an alley in Hollywood walking up and down the line taking turns beating them. I remember being thrown in jail for jaywalking and having to ride a chain gang bus all night going precinct to precinct picking up prisoners and being taken to LA county jail, only to be let out by the judge first thing in the morning, then being stuck downtown and having to panhandle to get bus fair because they stole my wallet.

Screw the LAPD.

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
263. Wow, what year did this happen? RE EDITED.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:28 PM - Edit history (2)

Actually I don't think the cop was really out of line, not if he was answering a bonafide call. In that case, I think he had a right to ask her to produce I.D. Still, I do fault him. not her, for not finding a better solution to this incident. He is the professional in this situation.

I just heard the audio excerpt for the first time. While I did not like the cop's "I have more power" remark, he was just stating the truth. As s soon as she started talking about "her publicist" she kind of lost me. Hollywood types bug me, just sayin.

I think they both kind of messed up but the onus is still on the cop who should know better.

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
314. That was the "Daryl Gates" era. Chokeholds, Eleanor Bumpers. It all kind of led to the 93 riots,
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:00 PM
Sep 2014

dont you think?

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
10. But, arent we required, by law, to provide ID to the police if we are asked?
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:49 AM
Sep 2014

Withholding your ID allows the police to detain you until they determine who you are....

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
15. No--only in states that have a stop and identify law.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 05:32 AM
Sep 2014

And BTW, those laws are essentially unconstitutional, even if the Roberts court would be all in favor of them.

On Edit: There is a reason why the sharp command "Papers, please!" is so often used as a quick identifier for a Nazi officer in the movies. Such demands for no reasonable cause are fascist, and they don't belong in the so-called "land of the free."

We are supposed to be able to walk around without being subjected to unreasonable searches or seizure by the authorities. We should not have to carry our "papers" with us at all times if we don't want to.

Here is an oldie but goodie (:sarcasm that is kind of like what happened to this actress:

http://www.chron.com/news/hurricanes/article/Galveston-parents-say-cops-beat-girl-in-1777017.php

Galveston parents say cops beat girl in prostitution mistake

A Galveston couple is suing three police officers who they say arrested and beat their 12-year-old daughter after mistaking her for a prostitute.

<snip>

According to a lawsuit filed in federal court in Galveston, Dymond Larae Milburn went outside her home in the 2000 block of 24th to flip a circuit breaker about 7:45 p.m. on Aug. 22, 2006.

Responding to a call that three white prostitutes were soliciting in the neighborhood <emphasis added>, the plainsclothes officers jumped out of an unmarked van on Gomez's orders and one of them grabbed the girl, who is black, the lawsuit states.

The girl contends that the officers did not identify themselves as police and that the officer who grabbed her, later identified as Roark, told her, "You're a prostitute. You're coming with me."

<snip>


There is lots more at the link. They beat that little girl bloody (including with a flashlight to the back of her head) and arrested her father when he came out to save her from what looked like a kidnapping--since they didn't even identify themselves as cops, but just grabbed her and tried to drag her into their car.

Notice, too, that the call they were responding to was for 3 white prostitutes in the area, not for one black 12-year-old!

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
217. As a permanent resident, I am obliged to show my ID on demand.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:45 PM
Sep 2014

That being my federal permanent resident card. This also goes for legally present non citizens too - show passport and visa on demand. However LEO's are happy enough with just my driver's license since a lost resident card is much more expensive than a replacement driver's license.

Unless there is a state law that requires ID for citizens then no ID "has" to be shown.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
19. Because it's the adult thing to do.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:08 AM
Sep 2014

Just show the ID and go on with your life.

Don't call daddy. Do cry out for justice. For god sakes don't tweet it or cry aloud to facebook.

Just act like an adult and take the high road.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
21. No, it's not.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:11 AM
Sep 2014

The ADULT thing to do is not assume people are breaking the law.

For crying out loud, let kissing people kiss!

ETA: BTW...how would showing her photo ID prove she is not a prostitute?!

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
25. Here, let me help you...
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:14 AM
Sep 2014
two police officers mistook the couple for a prostitute and client when they were seen showing affection in public.


It was in the EXCERPT provided. You didn't even need to "read" the entire article.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
31. I'll ask YOU again...Where is the box to check if you are a prosititue or not?
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:21 AM
Sep 2014

What the fuck does "summons" have to do with it? Oh, I get it! She wasn't arrested! Oh, how progressive of the cop!

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
34. OH! All prostitutes have priors!
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:25 AM
Sep 2014

What seems hard to comprehend is that two people kissing does not a prostitute make.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
52. To many people - yes.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:24 AM
Sep 2014

We are:
Loose
On Welfare
Angry
Mammy

All of those are prior offenses. Somehow - I think you "get" what I'm saying here. It all comes down to being black in America - and we are supposed to take it.

Frustrating.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
103. I don't need luck, I'm white.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:23 AM
Sep 2014

The point is this: she did not LEGALLY have to show ID. She did nothing wrong. Why is it that some people get all indignant when people actually know and exercise their rights? That's the point.

Would it have been more expedient for her to show her ID? Sure, it would have but again, she was not legally required to do so, she had done nothing wrong and the only reason the cops stopped her because someone made the assumption she was a prostitute? Why was that assumption made? That's another point you seem not to grasp.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
123. Are you ACTUALLY SAYING that anyone can AND OUGHT to be stopped so a cop can check "for priors"?!
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:48 AM
Sep 2014

Are you a graduate of an American high school where history was taught?

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
225. But HE HAD NO RIGHT TO DO THAT! Because she was not doing anything
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:18 PM
Sep 2014

even slightly suspicious, so they had NO PROBABLE CAUSE. And without probable cause, he cannot demand ID in California unless he states why he is stopping her, which he did not do, because there was no probable cause for such an accusation. He was racially profiling her in the mosnsulting way, and she did not feel like just going along with HIS bad behavior.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
292. so, if she had no priors, she is innocent, if she did- automatically guilty? Is that how the system
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:19 PM
Sep 2014

works now?
Nope.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
50. My friend
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:19 AM
Sep 2014
You can't win here. Up hill battle.

But if this were to happen to me - I would do the same thing she would. I'd like to know who called the police on her. I think that's worth knowing.

Of course - the snot will never reveal him or her self. They just want to give the "others" a hard time. That's where they live. It's funny to them.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
226. I bet no one called the cops. They're covering their butts because they got
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:22 PM
Sep 2014

caught in a most blatant and offensive act of racial profiling and harassing of an innocent black woman who--uh-oh--happens to be famous.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
69. Actually, it is.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:45 AM
Sep 2014

Summons, citation, ticket: these are all just "courtesies" extended in lieu of an actual "booking" at the station house, but courts universally recognize that they constitute arrest. Plenty of trial precedence.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
72. That's interesting.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:48 AM
Sep 2014

I'll google some of that.

You're saying notice to appear even in the case of a payable fine pre-apprearance is the same as arrest?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
77. It's a charge of a violation of
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:54 AM
Sep 2014

criminal law. Most tickets are at the level of a violation. But it is the state accusing you of a crime and seeking punishment .

And yes I did legal research for this for compliance purposes back in the day.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
94. Legally, it's the same.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:13 AM
Sep 2014

Both actions compel your "appearance", either by forcibly restraining you or, in the case of a summons, by sanctions imposed if you fail to appear.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
224. She was handcufed in public! That is offensive, even if no charges were filed--
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014

because she was not doing anything "suspicious," much less illegal (other than being black right there where everyone could see).

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
74. No, it's the quisling thing to do.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:49 AM
Sep 2014

Cooperating with racial harassment by police officers only allows them power over you they don't legally have.

Personally, I won't cooperate with being victimized.

enough

(13,259 posts)
112. That's an interesting definition of ADULT: it's adult to conform, to defer to authority.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:36 AM
Sep 2014

That way, if everybody just acts like adults and gets on with their day, we can have a nice quiet society where the police run things exactly the way they like it.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
113. Something like that I suppose
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:38 AM
Sep 2014

But really what I'm saying is, if you're dealing ignorance and abuse, why exacerbate it.

Right?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
125. Anti-democratic (small "d"), anti-freedom, anti-Civil Rights stance. Let cops run rough-
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:51 AM
Sep 2014

shod?

That skinny A-A actress had more guts and knowledge about her rights.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
130. It's the police who weren't acting like adults!
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:59 AM
Sep 2014

The police assumed that an interracial couple was a whore and a John. And that's ok? That's being
an adult? It's unprofessional, racist and sick.

They were in the wrong.

Do not blame the victim.

Besides, if she had shown her ID, how in the hell does that prove that she's not a prostitute? They would have hauled
her in anyway.

The "Just be a 'Good German' mentality' is revolting.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
223. No. A black person may get stopped and hassled several times a day despite not
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:11 PM
Sep 2014

doing anything wrong. It is abusive, and it is insulting to be *assumed* to be a prostitue for no reason other than the color of your skin.

But as long as people don't stand up and say, "NO!," it will just keep hapoening. Furthermore, it never just stays at the same level. It keeps getting ramped up if people don't make it stop before it reaches the point where nothing you do can have any impact.

Cops need to behave as reasonable, law-abiding adults, too, you knaw.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
293. Wow!!! Some rational thinking here. Amazing. I'm betting you get beat up for this
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:23 PM
Sep 2014

No one likes to be profiled, of course. My teenagers were continually profiled in the small town where we live. They love to harass teenagers. We had the cops come into my house when we were not there and my 19 year old son was having a birthday party,they went through my drawers, and my closets. Then arrested my son for alcohol in the house.

He didn't resist. When dealing with bullies with guns, do what they say, we taught them, and we will sort it out later. So he did, thank goodness.

She could have showed her ID, then filed charges against the cop later. She certainly has the money to get a lawyer and do something practical, rather than just mouth off. It didn't help her point at all. So while she might have been right, she was stupid. And that is a decision we each have to make for ourselves.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
297. Thank you for your post.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:04 PM
Sep 2014

I couldn't agree more with you.
I too was often harnessed as a teenager by some real southern character cops. It's reall what taught me how to deal with them and just to get the hell out of there as quickly and quietly as possible.

Look down tread if you like. Their are more facts about this incident that further prove why this line of thinking is the way to go.

Cheers.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
305. Cheers back to you - I have been piled on here, too
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:12 PM
Sep 2014

For trying to be rational rather than emotional.

Stick to your metaphorical guns.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
22. I guess the difference between you and me is
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:12 AM
Sep 2014

I would just show my ID and go on with my life.

You would not and rather sit in the back of a disgusting police car shrouded in self righteousness. Fine. Enjoy.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
42. LOL... ok... you're late for work.. cop stops you and ask you for ID so he can take 2 seconds
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:07 AM
Sep 2014

... to check if you've raped a cat or something stupid right?

No... it doesn't take freakin 2 seconds..

I can always tell when someone who's never experienced this kind of oppression speaks

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
45. Doesn't take to much reasoning to see where people talk from a point of bad perspective
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:13 AM
Sep 2014

... or no experience.

These types of harassing or oppressive actions from leos are stupid...

You can tell from the dept attitudes in LA they're not there to take and not serve

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
49. Well ten years in the media
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:18 AM
Sep 2014

And working in 35 states, no to mention 13 countries with secret service clearance to be in the room with so far 2 presidents and 25 other heads of state and various secretaries therein, you'll just have to take my word for it that I've been around, stopped by, harassed and threatened by all levels of LEO.

But hey, you knew that right. You read a post of mine on DU. That's all you needed!

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
53. It's exactly the same
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:26 AM
Sep 2014

Its rough being a black woman minding her own business out with her spouse giving him a smooch in public.

That's exactly like getting clearance to be around the President!

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
58. I did
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:31 AM
Sep 2014
You crack me up!

Sorry - I'm a black "prostitute by default" who often goes out in public with her white husband (John by default). Sometimes we even - laaaaaaaws NO! - kiss in public.

It's a common stereotype that all black women are easy and the only reason why a white man would be with her is because she is easy.

My husband would tell ya - Think what you want. She's a domestic terrorist but I love her anyways.

I can't imagine how he would retaliate against anyone who did this to me.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
63. I'm sorry - responded below
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:40 AM
Sep 2014

We are laughing about this in our house this morning.

My husband is Calabrese - he keeps ranting about respect. Like this happened to hiiiiis wife!

You can tell I married old school - you don't accuse a mans wife of being a prostitute unless you see her taking money. Just not done in his country. This cop would get a visit in Calabria.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
159. Since I have been invited...
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:48 AM
Sep 2014

Please explain why you think it is REASONABLE for someone who is NOT committing a crime or any form of civil infraction to be STOPPED by the police in the first place?

You have stated repeatedly you would "just show them your identification" with the assumption the encounter would end there.

You do not question why the encounter occurred in the first place.

By all accounts, law enforcement in most places is understaffed, over worked, and unable to handle such things as rape kits, homicides and armed robbery, yet you do not QUESTION the judgment and wasted tax dollars involved in stopping a couple Walking Down the Street who KISSED EACH OTHER IN PUBLIC and paying a police officer an hours wage to

A) Confront them;
B) Ask for Identification;
C) Enter that Identification into the System;
D) Wait for a Response;
E) Return the Identification;
F) Apologize and/or Don't

All while irritating and intimidating the law-abiding citizens who presumably have other obligations than to be treated in such a manner.

And bonus: if you have a common name ("Michael Brown" - not the kid who was shot, but the one the freepers confused him with - father of three, in jail, owed child support, blah, blah, blah) or heaven forbid have been a victim of identity theft, or someone puts the name in wrong, or maybe you don't have any identification because you were just going for a walk, or out to breakfast (I regularly leave my purse at home when I am with my husband), then this "two second encounter" which is really taking at least twenty minutes out of my day already could literally ruin the whole damn day, with bonus attorney fees, and a happy jail time experience to boot.

Why did this experience occur in the original post?

Because the "fashion police" thought a woman was a prostitute. As a result (and this is an aspect that has me totally pissed off) they CUT HER ARM with the handcuff, handled her roughly, SCARED AND HURT her ---

And would have gotten away with it IF SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE.

Another telling issue - the only reason we have a record of this is NOT because of the police detail about it ("no record of the incident&quot , but because the Law Abiding Citizen recorded it!

So, yeah, the fact you think being stopped While NOT Committing A Crime doesn't have the potential to turn into a life altering terrifying ordeal pretty much tells me you are probably a White Male. I can also probably assume you do not have many (if any) visible body art/tattoos/piercings, and are most likely over forty years of age.

I am making assumptions, but it would probably explain why you have a different view of the "role of law enforcement" - "protect and serve" - as opposed to what has become the norm for the vast majority of young minorities - "harass and arrest."

And because of all the things we learned, THAT is why law abiding citizens who are stopped while NOT committing a crime, need to remember their Rights and Responsibilities as Citizens, including not "showing their papers" so that ALL OF US, including minority youth who "dress funny" don't end up in jail, or worse, when interacting with law enforcement.

I hope this satisfies your request that I "do better" at expressing my disdain for your opinion.

Respectfully, of course.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
163. That's more like it.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:02 AM
Sep 2014

Thanks.

I must tend to the fatherly duties now, but wanted to respond that I intend to respond.

Cheers.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
227. Not to mention that for a black person, any interaction with the police has the
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
Sep 2014

potential to turn into being beaten--or even being killed.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
242. Ok then. Where were we?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:28 AM
Sep 2014

Point 1
I never said and don't think it's reasonable at all. All I've said is I've come to terms with reality. That's an easy thing to shun on a discussion board, but not so much on the sidewalk. Especially given what we know we are dealing with.

Point 2. Assumption of show and walk.
I will grant you it's an assumption, but not exactly a thin one in that (let's take me for example) I have no warrants, etc. and am in 'good standing." So does the cop want to continue to road side detain? It's possible. Probably just to harass as identity as been established. So, I supposed I would request a supervisor at some point, but all in all I'm still not in handcuffs and very most likely on my albiet pissed off with an aggravating story.

Point 3. Questioning the encounter.
Yes as no. At one point in the thread I did discuss context of location which might shed some light about the contact.
Other than that, no. My initial response had to do with why she was handcuffed, not why contact was made. It seems clear from the article, she was detained for refusing ID, not suspicion of prostitution.

Point 4 - tax dollars at work
I think we can both agree the tax dollars used here are nominal at most. But to my point. Had she provided ID, the matter very reasonably would have take less time.

Point 5 identity theft and a nice day
I totally hear you. My only point is that yours is based on leaving your ID home. Not refusing to show it. That IS an important distinction.

But to your point. I do have a very common first and last name. Like, John Smith common. I,ve been stopped by police many times over my life. I've also had to show more than one type of ID to prove that I'm not the John Smith that does have a warrant. It's only happened a few times. But I would wager that's more than most (and certainly anyone in the pile on crew in this thread) and since then I keep my social security card with me as that's been the fastest way to secondarily prove who I am.

Point 6 Would she have gotten away with it.
I have no idea, however let's hypothesize for a moment. Let's say she had priors for prostitution. And furthermore, let's say that was her husband and what they were doing was harmless as it really was. My point is: who knows. All we know are the limited facts from a news article that (if memory serves) had no quotes and seemed to taken and solely known from social media. (But to honest, I have to check that and may ammend).

I'm going to speed things up a little and just hit on a couple more points.
I've read your assumptions about me and they are not far off. However, frankly this is DU and you probably described 85% of the male membership, not exactly a kudo to you. But, 20 years ago the visible tat, piercing argument would be a little stronger. Today not so much. In NYC any and I might make the arguement for LA(as this where the incident happened) to be 40ish and under without tattoos and/or piercings is to be in the minority. That's not a far stretch of the cultural imagination. Moreover, walk down the streets of the 5 burros and apply the same age group to the nypd and you'll find that those without above said are the same. (As in most have visible tats.)


Your last point- our rights
Yes, but their are ways to do it and their ways to exacerbate a situation when we are dealing with someone who is not exaclty te brightest knife in the tool shed.

Thank you for your post. Please excuse typos as I wrote this on my phone.

Respectfully as well,
Boom







Dems2002

(509 posts)
175. Sometimes you need to do what's not convenient...
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 12:41 PM
Sep 2014

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
Ben Franklin

This is why she did the right thing, even though it was more personally painful.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
160. I once got stopped for no reason when I was 19
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:52 AM
Sep 2014

Cop said he though I was trespassing and asked me to empty my pockets show my ID. I did and he said "have a good day" and that was it. Was the cop wrong in my case? Absolutely. Did it end bad? Not at all.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
40. How many times have you asked me this question.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:37 AM
Sep 2014

I never supported Zimmerman. I support equal protection. Obviously you support narratives. Their we are.

Any other trapping double sided and rather boring questions?

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
47. Here is a question for you. If she had been whit and kissing, would she have been "summoned"
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:13 AM
Sep 2014

and handcuffed?

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
51. She wasn't summoned at all, first.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:20 AM
Sep 2014

And second. Had she showed her ID, she wouldn't have been cuffed.

Next.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
75. So, in your world, cops have the right to detain
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:52 AM
Sep 2014

and interrogate anyone they want, regardless of whether there is any evidence a crime has been committed? And that failure to carry official government papers authorizes handcuffing an innocent person?

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
89. It's not just my world.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:09 AM
Sep 2014

Hers too apparently.

And I think you know that it's the world we live in. Rightly or wrongly.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
228. It is wrongly, and we only live in that world because too many people go along
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:35 PM
Sep 2014

because it is inconvenient to maintain the vigilance necessary to hold on to our freedom.

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
335. Naw, takes too much time.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:01 PM
Sep 2014

Much better to find another rush-to-judgment thread and try again.

I would hope that if I ever made an OP that was as far off as this one, especially considering the inflammatory nature of the headline and what followed, I would at the very least apologize for my error.

Unfortunately, I don't see this happening much around here.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
155. You said - "I support equal protection regardless of race"
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:31 AM
Sep 2014

Of course you do. Unless KWB (KissingWhileBlack), right?

Tell me another one.

Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #17)

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
44. She exercised her rights by not showing her ID.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:12 AM
Sep 2014

Then the cops illegally seized her person. Could she have avoided that? Of course, but that doesn't mean that her rights were not violated. She acted with dignity; the cops did not.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
54. Both sides exercised their rights.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:26 AM
Sep 2014

Like it or not.

And I'm not defending either side. Did a cop use bad judgement? I dunno. Could she have diffused it? You tell me.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
62. I have to defend her side
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:36 AM
Sep 2014

This - could have been me. I don't mean to offend but it's funny to me that you can't see that there was nothing for her to do "wrong" -

Until the cop assumed this guy's wife was a prostitute.


The cop should not have stopped them.

Oh snap! I wonder if she was wearing her ring?

You have law enforcement authority / connects - can you find out for us?

That would be scandalous!

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
64. I'm not saying what she did was wrong.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:41 AM
Sep 2014

And you likely know as well as I do, what kind of person (Leo) you could be dealing with.

So, just show ID, tell the cop to move along. What's "wrong" with that.

If you want to use the moment as something more than it needs to be, don't be surprised if you get some sort of childish or worse retaliation. But, I think you know that.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
71. See another response
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:46 AM
Sep 2014

I married a man from Southern Italy and I'm suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome" as a result. You gotta understand - even in your perfect world -

There are men who can and will get away with retaliating against this cop for EVEN thinking their wife was a prostitute.

If your wife was assumed to be a "whore" I'm guessing you would be okay with that?

"Hey! I need her ID! I think your wife is a ho!". Stop it! You'd be pissed if someone assumed your wife was a hooker.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
76. If my wife and I were in that sich
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:52 AM
Sep 2014

Yes, it would piss me off. Yes my wife and I would have some words to the cop and several more after the situation, but all predicated by showing ID to diffuse.

Here's what I don't understand. Given you're status (for lack of a better word) and given your experiences and knowledge of Leo's, why don't you just get out of the situation as easily and quickly as possible and go back to smooching?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
80. That concedes the cops right to racially profile
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:57 AM
Sep 2014

and bulky people of color.

Two people being affectionate is not probable cause to suspect a crime.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
83. What we don't know is the context of location
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:02 AM
Sep 2014

I think that might shed some light.

Other than that. Sure, I'm with you.

No where have I or am I defending the cop.

My point, is she had the opportunity to diffuse. She didn't. Shocker as to what happened next considering the initial contact. Right?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
84. They had no reasonable suspicion.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:05 AM
Sep 2014

Without that, no right to detain , period. End of story.

Cop should be checking meters, not dealing with human beings.

Shocker that racist cops would continue to abuse their authority? Of course not.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
86. We're kind of in agreement.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:08 AM
Sep 2014

But we don't know many things that may have caused the contact, but I'm not naive enogh to rule out racism, I'm just saying if we all know that and are including racism as a motivator, then diffuse and walk away.

Right?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
90. No, I'm saying the problem is the cop, not
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:10 AM
Sep 2014

the victim of the cop's abuse of power.

Why are you focusing your blame on the victim?

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
98. It's not blame.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:16 AM
Sep 2014

She could have diffused. She didn't. So the guy being a creep did what? He kept being a creep when she gave him the opportunity.

She had done nothing wrong.

She had no priors.

She had no warrants.

But when she refused to show ID, she created a plausible suspicion. Even if that's bull shit, that's how the cop took it or used it againt her.

That's just sidewalk reality. You want to get out of the situation with a jerk cop, don't give him a reason to keep you their longer.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
129. Why should she have to do that.....
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:57 AM
Sep 2014

It's thinking like that that makes cops think they can grab any Black person in NY and frisk them on the oft chance they have a gun. You claim you are for equal protection under the law but are insisting that this Black woman behave in a way in an incident that most likely wouldn't happen with a White woman. Already we have to have conversations with our children on how to behave with police that White parents never have to have. Where and when does it stop. How about the police do some actual "policing"

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
229. I was going to let it go, but as an English teacher I just have to say, "defuse."
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:38 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:30 AM - Edit history (1)

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
324. Typing with arthritic hands on a mobile keyboard. Yes, I accidentally got a "c" in there where
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:33 AM
Sep 2014

I meant to insert a space.

But that was once. The reason I finally mentioned the "diffuse"/"defuse" issue was that the word kept being used, over and over, and over again.

I wasn't trying to "get" you, but since the word was being used so very frequently, I thought you might want to know the difference.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
93. Because I know probably some of the same people you know
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:12 AM
Sep 2014

Look up the Mustafa Family - MN.

That was me.

I'm not even in L.E. - more of the NSA and Homeland Security function at a major wireless carrier. Steal millions of dollars of phones to send to your buddies in Pakistan and you are directly hitting my targeted 52K bonus. I retaliate.


Truthfully? I'd play the game - because I CAN retaliate. And get away with it . . . When the Corporations get in bed with the Feds - this is what happens. Rich people - even black female ones - are given ways to get even.

Low level cops never know who they are pulling over. Or stopping. They sometimes don't realize who their betters are.

I'm glad for you though. Married to a white woman right? They don't have the stigma that 1StrngBlkman shared - lay with tan become a man.

Your wife will never be accused of being a prostitute for kissing you in public. Just because she's white!

You should just sit back and smirk at your "status" now. You get to do that - safe and snug as a bug.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
211. Something similar happened to my husband.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:28 PM
Sep 2014

If he would have told NOPD to "move along" after they insulted his wife, he may have been beaten or worse.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
250. Actually, you won't get much argument
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:24 AM
Sep 2014

From me about the character of the NOPD.

So, point taken.

Eta: mostly that was an attempt at humor.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
330. It gives implicit consent to the continued abuse of power for its own sake.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:45 AM
Sep 2014

"What's "wrong" with that..."

It gives implicit consent to the continued abuse of power for its own sake. No doubt, the white male will ever see the cop demanding ID in this scenario as merely an inconvenience at worst, rather than an accurate example of the inherent and institutional racism held by those who will abuse it if given the opportunity.

If you want to bury your head in the sand, meekly accept that "this is just the way thing are...", and wear fashionable i-blinders, that's on you... but I don't think too many people here are finding your justifications and rationalizations as anything other than merely justifications and rationalizations.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
333. And if those were the facts
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:09 PM
Sep 2014

You might have something.

But until then, it's a generalization and nothing more.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
209. My husband is a Black man
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:13 PM
Sep 2014

with white skin and green eyes.

Sometime ago (before interracial marriage was legal in Louisiana) he and his first wife were approached by local police while sitting in their car. They saw her before they saw him. They then apologized to him for disturbing him while he was with his black prostitute.

That was about 50 years ago. Thank Heavens that we have made so much progress! NOT!

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
234. My parents were run off the road
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:59 AM
Sep 2014

By cops on Louisville Kentucky in 1970. My mom was 6 months pregnant with my brother at the the time. If my dad wasn't in his dress uniform they would have doubled back and done god knows what to them.it was cops. Black husband with a white wife.

Not a damn thing has changed.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
67. Agreed.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:43 AM
Sep 2014

But they do have a right to detain you to establish ID when you refuse it.

I'm saying I agree with it. I'm saying I understand what I'm exposing myself to if I choose. As she did.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
73. She was detained because she was kissing a white man.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:48 AM
Sep 2014

There was no probable cause, not even any improbable cause. No indication of any wrongdoing.

Ergo, no right to detain. Cops do not have the right to detain and interrogate anyone they want just to entertain themselves.

"Pardon me comrade, may I see your papers?"


RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
102. They have NO right to detain without proibable cause
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:22 AM
Sep 2014

and the fact that they systematically DO so, AND that they overwhelmingly target minorities, highlights a PROBLEM that needs to be FIXED. Which is why simply not succumbing to their demands is noteworthy and respectable.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
106. Fine.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:25 AM
Sep 2014

I'm going to bet that was her first time in handcuffs.

I'm going to double down, that next time she will just show ID and go about her smooching.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
232. Not when they had no probable cause, and thus no RIGHT, to demand her ID in
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:43 PM
Sep 2014

the first place. In 24 states they *can* do what you claim, but in California, they *cannot.*

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
240. According to the cop, there was a call made in about lewd acts being comitted.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:33 AM
Sep 2014

Which then gives police probable cause.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
66. I suppose that without the details
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:43 AM
Sep 2014

it is hard to know if the cops violated her fourth amendment rights as those rights have been interpreted by several bad SCOTUS decisions.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
70. Why should we have to?
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:45 AM
Sep 2014

I'm a 37 year old woman. Why on earth should I have to carry around my ID all the damn time? I'm about to go for a bike ride on the trail. Should I have my ID with me? I'm riding with a bunch of middle age women.
FFS.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
78. Ask the goverment.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:55 AM
Sep 2014

No argument from me.

I just obey the law so I can go the f on with my life.

If that means putting my wallet in pocket when I go for a bike ride. Fine.

Their are a lot of laws that are silly and stupid. But if you choose to break them, well.....

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
81. There is no law requiring people to carry ID.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:59 AM
Sep 2014

Maybe you grew up in the former USSR, but here where personal freedom is the general rule, people do not need to have Official Government Papers whenever they appear in public.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
85. That may be true
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:06 AM
Sep 2014

Although I don't think so. But here in the land of the free, cops can detain you for whatever reason they like, especially when you manufacture a reason like refusing to show ID when you are a completely innocent and "unwanted" person.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
87. NO THEY CAN'T.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:09 AM
Sep 2014

There must be "reasonable suspicion" that the person committed a crime.

Are you familiar with the phrase "unreasonable searches and seizures?"

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
92. Yes. And yes they can.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:12 AM
Sep 2014

Because they do.

It's ok if we disagree.

I'm showing my ID abd walking the f away. Feel free to make your own choice.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
105. They're breaking the law.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:24 AM
Sep 2014

But they're held to a different standard.

Partly because people like you choose to shrug and go along with it (probably because it doesn't affect you in the same way it does certain communities - and yes I read your silly post about how you were under scrutiny because of the situations you chose to put yourself in).

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
110. What If, Because You're NOT Driving. . .
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:32 AM
Sep 2014

. . .you left your license at home. There is no legal requirement to carry an ID. A driver license is required when operating a vehicle. If i took my bike for ride, i don't need to take my license. There is no such requirement for operating a bicycle.

Hence, you're creating an expectation for having proof of identification where none exists.

Your whole argument is rooted in that faulty premise.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
111. The problem with your argument is
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:34 AM
Sep 2014

She was not without ID.

She refused to show it.

That's an important distinction.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
116. No it isn't
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:41 AM
Sep 2014

She is not legally required to carry or show ID to keep herself from being detained by police. Police need to have reasonable cause to ask her for ID, to stop her, to detain her, to do anything short of saying hello and commenting on the weather. We live in the US with a constitution. Do you support people's constitutional rights? What happened is called "unreasonable search and seizure" in the constitution and is not allowed. How would you feel if someone's 2nd amendment rights were being denied?

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
120. Prove It
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:44 AM
Sep 2014

This is the problem with YOUR argument. You now are assuming she had an ID. Maybe she did, but the cops did not have a legal right to even ask. If she said no, they had no reason to ask why. Not in California.
You're logic is horribly tortured and you can twist and swing all you want but the only faulty argument here is your silly position.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
126. Here you go
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:52 AM
Sep 2014

"When the officers asked Watts to produce a photo ID when questioned, she refused."

Anything else?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
198. Refusing to produce a photo ID does not mean she had one
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:03 PM
Sep 2014

She may have been standing on principle, because she didn't have to show ID whether she had it or not.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
249. May be
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:21 AM
Sep 2014

But what we has as facts is refusal. Whether or not it was on her is nearly irrelevant at that point. They asked, she refused, so now we have chapter 2

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
251. As police officers, they should have known it was their duty to back off at that point
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
Sep 2014

They could continue to investigate any possible wrong-doing, but, seeing as there wasn't any, they didn't have much to do. Chapter 2 should have been "OK, that's your right, even if we think it's unhelpful to us as public servants". Followed by leaving to investigate known crimes.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
215. Good for her for refusing.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:04 PM
Sep 2014

The more people acquiesce to this type of harassment, the more it becomes accepted behavior.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
157. You said - "I'm showing my ID abd walking the f away. Feel free to make your own choice"
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:40 AM
Sep 2014

Lots of good Germans felt the same way you do.

You are known by the company you keep, my dear Mother used to say...so true, so true.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
169. You were alerted on, just so you know.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:40 AM
Sep 2014

The results:

On Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:44 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You said - "I'm showing my ID abd walking the f away. Feel free to make your own choice"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5533723

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I may not hold a popular opinion, but this is a discussion board that has rules. Rules which I follow.
Calling me a NAZI is not discussion. That I'm part of a group that attempted to exterminate a people is not discussion.

Boom Sound 416

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:57 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Well Mr Boom Sound, like it or not, the response is entirely appropriate. Giving into armed thugs with badges IS exactly what allowed the Nazis to succeed. Surrendering our RIGHTS is not an option and the sooner police bullies get that through their heads, the better.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You weren't called a Nazi or even a good German.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's close, however, it;s not calling Boom SOund a Nazi...leave

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
207. I've been at work
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:49 PM
Sep 2014

and was unable to respond until now.

This jury decision has given me renewed hope in the Democraticunderground forum, which I've been sorely lacking in for a few months. I've been a member since way back, never a prolific poster, but a prolific reader.....


It is just so different from what I'd become accustomed to and came to expect. Now it is almost an echo chamber of Yahoo comments. The ignorance, the right-wing Dems, etc. has so disheartened me.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
186. They can because they do? That's some circular reasoning you've got going on there.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:01 PM
Sep 2014

But I guess you need to engage in the circularity to try to get around the whole "reasonable suspicion" part since the closest the police came was the very unreasonable and racist suspicion that since she was black, she must be a prostitute.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
238. Have you considered they do because...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:30 AM
Sep 2014

You allow them to? When you stop making excuses for illegal activity, perhaps they will stop.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
99. Some states are stop and identify, like CO.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:17 AM
Sep 2014

But if you're not carrying your ID, you can't be faulted, if you give your name. However, that gives them the right to search you in CO, and if you do have an ID, you get in trouble.

But CA, where this happened, does not require an ID being presented. The officer failed their duty to uphold the law.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
109. When I read about the civil case
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:29 AM
Sep 2014

I'll agree with you.

Not saying you're wrong, just not in agreemt.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
134. You will.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:04 AM
Sep 2014

Maybe. Or maybe you'll forget in a years time. They got a suit though, keep track of this couple, this was an illegal detention.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
135. Fair enough
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:07 AM
Sep 2014

I own up to things I say here that turn out to be wrong or incorrect.

I have in this thread.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
164. FWIW, I think stop and identify is illegal.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:27 AM
Sep 2014

But unfortunately there is precedent saying it's legal and "OK." I think future SCOTUS decisions should render it illegal.

Otherwise, if you're serious, and you spent a lot of time posting in this thread, keep an eye out on this couple. They're high profile and probably won't take a settlement, so you should see it come to a head. It could take years though, just add their names to a google alert or something.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
166. I agree, in this country, we are not required to have ID on us
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:32 AM
Sep 2014

The only laws saying you have to are for when you are driving.

Being out in public is not enough to require ID.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
96. CA is not a stop and identify state.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:14 AM
Sep 2014

So no. The officers should be educated into the laws of the state.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
122. Again.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:48 AM
Sep 2014

As stated in the intergoogle of law answers

She did have it with her. She refused to show it.

Did you read the whole thing?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
127. It is her LEGAL RIGHT to refuse to show it. Did YOU read the whole thing? It wasn't a traffic stop.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:52 AM
Sep 2014

The cop's attitude is what is wrong, not my reading.

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
150. Again. She is not required to produce ID by law.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

Are you deliberately ignoring that point, or are you just unable to process it?

Sure they can ask for it, and she was perfectly within her rights to tell them to fuck off.

Next?

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
152. Well, let's see, I'm not aware that the cops, or the actress are posting...
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:23 AM
Sep 2014

So that means I'm talking to you.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
167. She was not driving, so she does not have to carry ID
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:33 AM
Sep 2014

From what we have so far, there was no probable cause to believe a crime was being committed. Bad call by cop. And it does not appear to have resulted in charges.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
172. Maybe cops should not instantly profile people based on racist notions?
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

Think before you act.

Unless of course you have nothing better to do with your day but play on stereotypical views.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
236. If as the husband wrote the police
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:05 AM
Sep 2014

received a call from someone, then your ire should be directed at the caller not the police.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
239. The caller did not cuff and detain Danielle...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:52 AM
Sep 2014

Assuming there was a caller in the first. A simple conversation would've settled the matter.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
303. The conversation was held and she refused a request for ID
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:21 PM
Sep 2014

which escalated the situation that was started by a nosy resident.

Again did the police follow proper procedure for this type of complaint?

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
306. She has a right to refuse...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:50 PM
Sep 2014

So why did it escalate the situation? Proper procedure would be to accept her denial. If an officer asks to search your home without a warrant and you refuse, is anger the proper response?

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
256. No arguement from me.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:33 AM
Sep 2014

Signed,
Resident of a city where stop and frisk is policy.

Maybe you tell a cop that.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
254. And you told the cop which?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:29 AM
Sep 2014

That you had no ID
or
You refused to show your ID

because the two are not the same.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
274. Once, as a brash young man, I said the flowery equivalent of "fuck you" but that didn't end well.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:39 PM
Sep 2014

I was briefly assaulted but then the officer realized he'd gone too far, picked me up, brushed me off, and told me to scram.

I'm white, so I can get away with shit like that.

I've taught my kids to be polite. Resistant to abuse, but polite. The police in our city are too quick to shoot people, even unarmed people.

Nobody ever beat it into me that I had to respect authority, so I don't. (I believe that despicable "window of opportunity," to instill "respect" for authority by violence, goes away in early childhood.)

For most of my life now I've lived in rougher communities where interactions with the police are not uncommon. I've experienced the good, the bad, and the extremely ugly.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
275. Likewise to a large extent.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:45 PM
Sep 2014

But you really didn't answer the question.

To some degree I suppose it could be argued you did, but my singular point stands.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
282. Maybe it's don't sweat the small stuff.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:12 PM
Sep 2014

Something rudimentary like that.

Or it could be when trouble finds you don't ask for seconds or something.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
191. Dear badge bunnies, badge backers, bootlickers, cop-cultists and so-called "cops"
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:24 PM
Sep 2014

You are sick, sadistic and depraved animals who look for any excuse to hurt someone and get off on seeing people hurt while hiding behind a badge and a great institution that was built on helping people. You ought to be treated like pedophiles and locked away from society. You have no business on the streets, you have no business having any authority over people and you have no business handling a deadly weapon.

As always the name of the game is Lie, Deny, and Deflect and it is a delusional sick cult-like culture that lies for each other and lies to themselves. This is pure unadulterated mental illness, it is a sickness permeating law enforcement that needs to be eradicated quickly before it gets way out of hand.

Sadly Police departments across the nation are staffed by these depraved animals.

_________________________________________________

Police union gives $500 "Bounty" to officers involved in shootings

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. – Albuquerque police officers involved in a rash of fatal shootings over the past two years were paid up to $500 under a union program that some have likened to a bounty system in a department with a culture that critics have long contended promotes brutality.


http://www.pressherald.com/2012/03/23/police-union-gives-payments-to-officers-involved-in-shootings_2012-03-24/

_________________________________________________











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These people are nothing more than street gang thugs.
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
264. Just to clarify, by "so-called cops" I'm talking about the violent psychopaths who joined the force
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:46 AM
Sep 2014

Not every person who joins the ranks are violent, angry, knuckle dragging psychopath who are looking for any excuse to set up, beat or kill someone but unfortunately because cops are rarely held accountable it is attracting really dangerous and mentally ill individuals.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
195. Maybe you should read the constitution.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 03:14 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe you should look up what the term "papers please" signifies.

Look up the effin terms "fascism" and "police state".

Unless of course you have nothing better to do than piss away our rights.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
257. Would you point me to the spot in the
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:35 AM
Sep 2014

Constimatuushun that says where stop and frisk is legal.

And I appreciate the pedestal, but I'm not the one pissing on our rights.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
88. Unreal. The arresting officers should face consequences for this.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:09 AM
Sep 2014

The racism among those in positions of authority needs to stop.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
212. 1st their bosses heard about the incident was when posted online. cops Didnt even file a report
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:33 PM
Sep 2014

An LAPD public information officer said there was no record of the incident as Watts was not arrested or brought into the station for questioning, according to the Chicago Tribune.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755113/Django-Unchained-actress-claims-handcuffed-detained-police-mistaken-prostitute-kissed-husband.html



Pic of the a**hole cop

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
115. I don't even get this!
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:40 AM
Sep 2014

Cops are so out of touch, with rampant racism, that they are getting to be a separate culture everywhere. Every African American is a crime suspect; and AA teens need killing, every family dog is about to attack and needs to be shot (as the cops barg through the wrong yard), 8 year old girls are so dangerous they have to be tazed, and the mentally ill need killing.

I work on a campus at a southern college and interracial couples aren't given a second glance. Young people are becoming better people while cops regress.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
118. CA can't require ID! Disturbing acknowledgment from a CA cop (see first reply):
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:43 AM
Sep 2014
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060711011931AAbmgHG

He "JUSTIFIES" the illegal handcuffing because, hey, you might be "a murderer from Kentucky"!

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
183. BTW, I am not going to ask how you know that, but just
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 01:52 PM
Sep 2014

an observation....that claim seemed weird to me

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
141. A more correct title... Nosey parker mistakes husband and wife
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:13 AM
Sep 2014

for prostitute and john and calls Police.

"Separately her chef husband posted on his Facebook page that he thought that the person who called the police had decided they looked like a prostitute and a client.
He wrote: 'From the questions that he asked me as D was already on her phone with her dad, I could tell that whoever called on us (including the officers), saw a tatted RAWKer white boy and a hot bootie shorted black girl and thought we were a H* (prostitute) & a TRICK (client).


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755113/Django-Unchained-actress-claims-handcuffed-detained-police-mistaken-prostitute-kissed-husband.html#ixzz3DIJo5tk6
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook"

If a neighbor called then it sounds like they have a neighbor similar to one of mine. Not a nice person.

So the police had to investigate the complaint, if the call was real which can be verified. If they didn't and the situation turned out to be something else, prostitute and a murderous/abusive john, then I am quite sure the same people screaming about the police would be screaming about the police.

Did the police follow the rules once she refused to produce ID? WHat are the rules in that circumstance?

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,841 posts)
158. Good for her! The people who cave and comply just embolden the cops to do more of this crap.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:40 AM
Sep 2014

And frankly I'm not sure that producing an ID would have gotten her released any sooner. It was a bullshit stop. If the cops had no good reason to detain her in the first place then why would showing an ID change anything?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
200. Yes, they did ask him, and he showed it
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:08 PM
Sep 2014
From the questions that he asked me as D was already on her phone with her dad, I could tell that whoever called on us (including the officers), saw a tatted RAWKer white boy and a hot bootie shorted black girl and thought we were a HO (prostitute) & a TRICK (client).
This is something that happened to her and her father when she was 16. What an assumption to make!!!

Because of my past experience with the law, I gave him my ID knowing we did nothing wrong and when they asked D for hers, she refused to give it because they had no right to do so.

So they handcuffed her and threw her roughly into the back of the cop car until they could figure out who she was. In the process of handcuffing her, they cut her wrist, which was truly NOT COOL!!!

https://www.facebook.com/chefbelive2/posts/817284528304447
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
178. Clearly a case of kissing while black and white.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 01:28 PM
Sep 2014

If only we all carried "papers" like in ...well you know ...194* Germany.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
189. Well, I learned a lot from this thread.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:17 PM
Sep 2014

There are some who are perfectly okay with Big Brother and live by the "hey, if you're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you just hand over your ID" rule.

Ugh.

This is horrid.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
196. Zee did not show zee papers!!
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 03:28 PM
Sep 2014

Zee must show zee papers when requested by der Gestapo!! It's zee 'Merican way!!

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
210. before they realized she was a celebrity, they threatened her with ambulance and drugging
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:14 PM
Sep 2014

She was released "quite quickly when they realized we were right outside CBS and that she was a celebrity and I was a celeb chef," Lucas wrote. "Before they figured out who she was they were threatening calling an ambulance and drugging her for being psychologically unstable, SO NOT COOL WHATSOEVER! "

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
235. If she can find the person who called the
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:02 AM
Sep 2014

police perhaps she can sue that person.

If as the husband said in his facebook entry someone called the police and made a compalint then the police had two options.

1 - Ignore the call.

2 - Do their job and investigate the complaint.

The next question is did they follow proper procedure when they talked to the two people? What is the procedure when answering a complaint and person who was compalined about refuses to provide identification.

 

Norm Guy

(13 posts)
221. I had to kick the duplicate of this thread in order to make a comment.....
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:25 PM
Sep 2014

...so now I'm kicking this one back to the top of the General Discussion forum. (You already have my durec; the other thread does not. Just trying to be fair.)

Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
231. Motherfuckers
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:43 PM
Sep 2014


I can certainly relate. I had a somewhat similar situation where Baltimore's finest had a hard time believing that someone like me could have a pretty white girlfriend. So she might have been sloppy drunk and looking trashy that night, but still. It's nobody's business. I did have the good sense to take the car keys away from her. Thankfully, they didn't arrest us and we both showed our college ids.

People don't have to be married, or even to be banging. Last I checked it's not a crime for consenting adults to kiss each other in public anywhere.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
233. Seems another good argument to legalize prostitution.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:27 AM
Sep 2014

It seems its being intentionally used by police to harass lawful citizens.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
237. If it wasn't this, it would be something else
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:11 AM
Sep 2014

The issue is racial profiling. If they hadn't had the prostitution excuse, they would have came up with another excuse. They racially profile first, and find an excuse second, and the excuses are interchangable.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
244. Update from TMZ with audio of the interaction between her and LAPD
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:03 AM
Sep 2014

Parts of the article is obviously biased especially the part about "Watts instantly plays the race card" and keep in mind one of TMZ's "reporters" is the son of a police officer but it is an interesting take on what happened.



The "Django Unchained" actress who claimed she was harassed and hurt by cops after making out with her boyfriend was actually having sex in her car according to witnesses ... then went on a rant with cops accusing them of racism and not knowing who she was ... according to police audio obtained by TMZ.

Daniele Watts had just left CBS studios in the San Fernando Valley around 2 PM Thursday. She says she was making out with her BF, but we've learned witnesses from the nearby Directors Guild office building told cops they were watching her and her BF have full-on sex in the passenger seat WITH THE DOOR OPEN!

The eyewitnesses said the guy was sitting in the seat, she was straddling him and it was for everyone to see. One eyewitness told cops they cleaned themselves up afterward with a tissue.

TMZ obtained police audio of the incident. Watts instantly plays the race card when Sgt. Jim Parker asked for her ID. She quickly moves from the race card to the fame card -- then storms off, refusing to show her ID.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
245. It's an audio of what happened.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:05 AM
Sep 2014

You can listen for yourself. Cop never accused her of being a hooker. She was asked for an ID. So was her boyfriend. Her boyfriend provided one. She refused. Police had probable cause to ask her for an ID, because of a 911 call about lewd acts in the car. Which cop explained to her.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
268. Sure, had her story (which may be bullshit) been true you'd be wrong. If the
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:11 PM
Sep 2014

newer details are true you'd been right but that's not the story you responded to originally.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
269. Go read my first response then listen to the audio
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:13 PM
Sep 2014

Take note of the sentence "I'd already be gone". Then get back to me.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
331. Even self-perceived self-validation is better than no self-validation at all...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:48 AM
Sep 2014

Even a self-perceived self-validation is better than no self-validation at all...

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
262. In this day and age and in Studio city, no less! (really an adjunct of Hollywood). No decent cop
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:42 AM
Sep 2014

would jump to any conclusions based upon a suspect's appearances (race, hair, clothing, etc.). It makes no sense. I mean, anywhere but here! This is hollyweird. This town is so multicultural and a mash up of so many "types"-- bikers, thugs, punks, rockers, rockers, sissy boys, nerds. If you told me this happened in Downy or San Diego, I would believe it.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
265. Eyewitnesses claim they had sexual intercourse in public.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:46 AM
Sep 2014

In the front seat of a car with the door open.

I don't know where some of you were raised as children, but where I was raised, that was and is illegal.

SaltyBro

(198 posts)
273. There is zero proof that this was the case
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

Some racist white saw a white man and a black woman kissing and called the cops.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
290. why? How do you think the police got there? What's more likely
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:09 PM
Sep 2014

that the police got a call reporting public sex or that they got a call about a couple kissing? Why would witnesses- in the plural- lie?

And for that matter, when was she accused of being a prostitute. It's not on the tape of the police speaking with her. I don't believe that either Daniele or Brian claim that the cop actually made that accusation.

It could be racism but it seems more likely that it wasn't.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
291. Most likely? Someone didn't like a biracial couple kissing.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:11 PM
Sep 2014

There is no evidence any "sexual" activity occurred as postulated by the poster I responded to.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
296. Eyewitness accounts, particularly where parts are independently corroborated,
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:34 PM
Sep 2014

ARE considered evidence.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
317. Arrest a witness - why? ???
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:20 PM
Sep 2014

If they have testimony to offer, they do it at trial - or during discovery.

At this preliminary stage, however, if several different people say they saw them having sex and maybe can identify scars, moles, or other birthmarks normally hidden from view, or can recount an identical sequence of events, then yes, Houston, we have a problem.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
329. Most likely police are not that interested in pursuing this type of alleged crime.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:26 AM
Sep 2014

Especially in CA.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
311. Then why would you deny it in studio city.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:15 PM
Sep 2014

Given that the couple was not arrested or charged, I suspect the eyewitness account doesn't hold up.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
316. Racism may exist in studio city
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:23 PM
Sep 2014

But racism is a bird of many feathers.

One of which is not in the passenger seat of a car.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
276. So, kissing is now ---
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:49 PM
Sep 2014

LOL

Only a problem if you fit the profile for another target. Police have a hard job. They make it harder for themselves for reasons I do not understand.

Bonx

(2,053 posts)
277. Newest reports indicate they were doing a lot more than kissing
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:52 PM
Sep 2014

Sex with the car door open. Her straddling him. Wiping up with a tissue afterwards.
Then she makes a complete ass of herself in the recordings of the incident.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
278. OK Thanks
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:54 PM
Sep 2014

Limited awareness me. I wondered why her husband was not standing up for her. Guess he was putting his pants on!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
281. Newest reports?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:11 PM
Sep 2014

The only place I've seen that is a tabloidy exploitative website that uses the term "pulled the race card" in the same article. They were found to have not broken the law, and this is bullshit.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
284. Where she does exactly what?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:17 PM
Sep 2014

I don't care if she brings up race. The term "playing the race card" is itself racist. People can say they think they're targeted for being black without them playing any damn card.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
287. It isn't a semantic argument. It's a political argument.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:26 PM
Sep 2014

We are in a racist society, and we've created a term where we can dismiss and demonize victims of racism for mentioning racism. The term perpetuates racism and further oppresses people of color. I wouldn't trust a website that used that term even if it wasn't an exploitative tabloid piece of shit like TMZ.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
299. You are right, the cop was wrong, instead of saying "bringing up the race card"
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:23 PM
Sep 2014

When she says "you wouldn't be here if I wasn't black"-

He should have said-

"I would be here if you weren't fucking your husband in a parked car in broad daylight at 2:00 in the afternoon"

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
312. The distinction
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:18 PM
Sep 2014

According to the cop is a call was made via dispatch. That step seems to 'waive or nullify the right to refuse as it's not a stop' (my amateur words)

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
315. California's stop and identify status is a murky mess.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:04 PM
Sep 2014

California once had a stop and identify statute, but it was thrown out in a court case on 5th Amendment grounds. Later state court rulings said that it's legal for the police to detain or arrest you for failing to identify yourself, while other courts have said that they cannot. The ACLU in our state currently advises everyone to produce their ID, or be willing to face arrest. They concede that your arrest might be illegal, but your fate will be heavily dependent on the jurisdiction you're arrested in.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
319. Those laws only require you to identify yourself verbally.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:26 PM
Sep 2014

Otherwise police could arrest any cyclist or jogger on the street because they didn't have their wallet.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
334. I know.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:33 PM
Sep 2014

But some here think that if you don't present a drivers license you get put in jail. It's flat out wrong.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
337. She kept talking on the phone and walked away...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 04:59 PM
Sep 2014

She's a no talent trying to jump-start her career.

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