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African-American actress Danièle Watts claims she was "handcuffed and detained" by police officers from the Studio City Police Department in Los Angeles on Thursday after allegedly being mistaken for a prostitute.
According to accounts by Watts and her husband Brian James Lucas, two police officers mistook the couple for a prostitute and client when they were seen showing affection in public. When the officers asked Watts to produce a photo ID when questioned, she refused. Watts was subsequently handcuffed and placed in the back of a police cruiser while the officers attempted to figure out who she was. The two officers released Watts shortly afterwards.
Watts, who played CoCo in Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained and currently stars in Martin Lawrence vehicle Partners, posted an account of the incident on her Facebook page:
"As I was sitting in the back of the police car, I remembered the countless times my father came home frustrated or humiliated by the cops when he had done nothing wrong," wrote Watts. "I felt his shame, his anger, and my own feelings of frustration for existing in a world where I have allowed myself to believe that authority figures could control my BEING
my ability to BE!!!!!!!"
Watt's husband Brian Lucas, who is white, claimed that the two were targeted by police for being an interracial couple. In a seperate post on his Facebook page, Lucas said that "from the questions that asked me as D was already on her phone with her dad, I could tell that whoever called on us (including the officers), saw a tatted RAWKer white boy and a hot bootie shorted black girl and thought we were a HO (prostitute) & a TRICK (client)."
http://mic.com/articles/98826/lapd-confuses-black-actress-kissing-white-husband-for-prostitute
JI7
(89,252 posts)some racist
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)no one today would call the cops for such a thing.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)indulged in a little racial profiling, as is their won't, and got caught at it in a most viral way.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)Kick for visibility!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm close friends with a much younger African American man who calls me "Mom."
I wonder what the cops would do to him if we hugged in public?
Racist bastards.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)and it pissed me (and my whiter than white daughter) off to no end how he often he would get stopped DWB is this conservative ass town. Murrieta.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raul-a-reyes/murrieta-immigration-prot_b_5569351.html
You might have heard about our lovely suburb on the news when the racist idiots stood in front of the buses with the immigrant kids and moms on board and wouldn't let them pass. Damn, I wish I could move - sigh, mortgage is so damned low and its just too pricey to move. (Not that having a low mortgage is a bad thing).
Oh, and the shit people said to her when he was a baby/toddler made me puke...but that's too OT for this thread.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Blue_Tires.
malaise
(269,054 posts)or we're hearing about it more
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)I don't think it's worse because this crap has been going on for centuries. It just way more visible now and it should be.
malaise
(269,054 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Without the Intertubes, we would probably never hear about it. The MSM isn't likely to cover it, except locally.
malaise
(269,054 posts)say publicly
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Is seeing a Cop, who is obviously not White, participating in or standing by passively, while a person of Color is getting the shit beat out of them for no good reason. That 'Thin Blue Line' is a lot thicker than we think.
malaise
(269,054 posts)The attacks are more class based than race based but it's the same working class cops beating up on their own on behalf of hte establishment - it does sicken me.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)the non white cops are afraid to stand up for POC.
I've seen that fear at every place I've worked where people of color would not speak out against the abuse of other POC. They fear losing favor at best, losing their jobs at the worst.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)One can hope we don't slide back to THAT!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)Cha
(297,322 posts)want to show the police her ID.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:29 AM - Edit history (1)
Racial profiling in a whole new light. Thankfully, it is the Los Angeles PD and not the Liberal Angeles PD, or I am sure there would be 'some' reason it wasn't racist.
It is amazing the lengths which some will endure in order to ignore shit like this or claim it is something it isn't.
ETA: my bad...spoke to soon!
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)their brains and stop relying on stereotyped reasoning.
Cha
(297,322 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)I was standing on a street sidewalk smoking a cig (taking a break from my job at 01:00 AM)
I showed him my work badge......I cannot imagine being handcuffed over that mistake
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I value my arse.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)YES INDEED
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Many of us active duty gals from Fort Sam would do our laundry on Broadway if the facilities in the on-post living quarters had too many people using them. Sometimes, we'd stroll to the convenience store nearby for sodas and snacks and it never failed; some nimrod cop would always stop to ask us who we were and what we were doing walking down the street, especially if we were minorities. All military installations have a red light district around them, but that's no reason to harass every woman they see and assume right away that we're all "whores." And what if we were? Consenting adults shouldn't be harassed and this is the land of capitalism and free enterprise.
Demobrat
(8,982 posts)by the cops on 3 different occasions for walking down Sunset Blvd. Apparently only hookers walk in LA, but I didn't get the memo. I wasn't handcuffed or thrown in the back of the car - but then I'm white.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I remember them threatening to beat me and my friend for waiting at a bus stop. I remember seeing them with about 30 gay teenagers handcuffed to a fence in an alley in Hollywood walking up and down the line taking turns beating them. I remember being thrown in jail for jaywalking and having to ride a chain gang bus all night going precinct to precinct picking up prisoners and being taken to LA county jail, only to be let out by the judge first thing in the morning, then being stuck downtown and having to panhandle to get bus fair because they stole my wallet.
Screw the LAPD.
zonkers
(5,865 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:28 PM - Edit history (2)
Actually I don't think the cop was really out of line, not if he was answering a bonafide call. In that case, I think he had a right to ask her to produce I.D. Still, I do fault him. not her, for not finding a better solution to this incident. He is the professional in this situation.
I just heard the audio excerpt for the first time. While I did not like the cop's "I have more power" remark, he was just stating the truth. As s soon as she started talking about "her publicist" she kind of lost me. Hollywood types bug me, just sayin.
I think they both kind of messed up but the onus is still on the cop who should know better.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They were off the hook back then. I would assume they still are.
zonkers
(5,865 posts)dont you think?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Definitely
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Withholding your ID allows the police to detain you until they determine who you are....
cali
(114,904 posts)mimi85
(1,805 posts)the stand your ground thing.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)And BTW, those laws are essentially unconstitutional, even if the Roberts court would be all in favor of them.
On Edit: There is a reason why the sharp command "Papers, please!" is so often used as a quick identifier for a Nazi officer in the movies. Such demands for no reasonable cause are fascist, and they don't belong in the so-called "land of the free."
We are supposed to be able to walk around without being subjected to unreasonable searches or seizure by the authorities. We should not have to carry our "papers" with us at all times if we don't want to.
Here is an oldie but goodie (:sarcasm that is kind of like what happened to this actress:
Galveston parents say cops beat girl in prostitution mistake
A Galveston couple is suing three police officers who they say arrested and beat their 12-year-old daughter after mistaking her for a prostitute.
<snip>
According to a lawsuit filed in federal court in Galveston, Dymond Larae Milburn went outside her home in the 2000 block of 24th to flip a circuit breaker about 7:45 p.m. on Aug. 22, 2006.
Responding to a call that three white prostitutes were soliciting in the neighborhood <emphasis added>, the plainsclothes officers jumped out of an unmarked van on Gomez's orders and one of them grabbed the girl, who is black, the lawsuit states.
The girl contends that the officers did not identify themselves as police and that the officer who grabbed her, later identified as Roark, told her, "You're a prostitute. You're coming with me."
<snip>
There is lots more at the link. They beat that little girl bloody (including with a flashlight to the back of her head) and arrested her father when he came out to save her from what looked like a kidnapping--since they didn't even identify themselves as cops, but just grabbed her and tried to drag her into their car.
Notice, too, that the call they were responding to was for 3 white prostitutes in the area, not for one black 12-year-old!
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)That being my federal permanent resident card. This also goes for legally present non citizens too - show passport and visa on demand. However LEO's are happy enough with just my driver's license since a lost resident card is much more expensive than a replacement driver's license.
Unless there is a state law that requires ID for citizens then no ID "has" to be shown.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Show your effin ID.
Unless of course you have nothing better to do with your day.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Is there a box on an ID that says: "Not a prostitute." ?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Just show the ID and go on with your life.
Don't call daddy. Do cry out for justice. For god sakes don't tweet it or cry aloud to facebook.
Just act like an adult and take the high road.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)The ADULT thing to do is not assume people are breaking the law.
For crying out loud, let kissing people kiss!
ETA: BTW...how would showing her photo ID prove she is not a prostitute?!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Were they summonsed for kissing?
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)two police officers mistook the couple for a prostitute and client when they were seen showing affection in public.
It was in the EXCERPT provided. You didn't even need to "read" the entire article.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)That the best you got.
I'll ask again where is the summons for kissing.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)What the fuck does "summons" have to do with it? Oh, I get it! She wasn't arrested! Oh, how progressive of the cop!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)That's where the little box is.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)What seems hard to comprehend is that two people kissing does not a prostitute make.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I'm done.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Maybe there will be a LAPD officer around.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)We are:
Loose
On Welfare
Angry
Mammy
All of those are prior offenses. Somehow - I think you "get" what I'm saying here. It all comes down to being black in America - and we are supposed to take it.
Frustrating.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Good effin luck.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)The point is this: she did not LEGALLY have to show ID. She did nothing wrong. Why is it that some people get all indignant when people actually know and exercise their rights? That's the point.
Would it have been more expedient for her to show her ID? Sure, it would have but again, she was not legally required to do so, she had done nothing wrong and the only reason the cops stopped her because someone made the assumption she was a prostitute? Why was that assumption made? That's another point you seem not to grasp.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Are you a graduate of an American high school where history was taught?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Not at all. In fact it's quite a stretch to get there. Congrats.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)you know what I mean.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)even slightly suspicious, so they had NO PROBABLE CAUSE. And without probable cause, he cannot demand ID in California unless he states why he is stopping her, which he did not do, because there was no probable cause for such an accusation. He was racially profiling her in the mosnsulting way, and she did not feel like just going along with HIS bad behavior.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)works now?
Nope.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)What can I tell you.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But you knew that of course.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Oh course, you knew that!
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)But if this were to happen to me - I would do the same thing she would. I'd like to know who called the police on her. I think that's worth knowing.
Of course - the snot will never reveal him or her self. They just want to give the "others" a hard time. That's where they live. It's funny to them.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Are you white?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)It's a virtue
tblue37
(65,408 posts)caught in a most blatant and offensive act of racial profiling and harassing of an innocent black woman who--uh-oh--happens to be famous.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Summons, citation, ticket: these are all just "courtesies" extended in lieu of an actual "booking" at the station house, but courts universally recognize that they constitute arrest. Plenty of trial precedence.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I'll google some of that.
You're saying notice to appear even in the case of a payable fine pre-apprearance is the same as arrest?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)criminal law. Most tickets are at the level of a violation. But it is the state accusing you of a crime and seeking punishment .
And yes I did legal research for this for compliance purposes back in the day.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Will incorporate in future discussions.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Both actions compel your "appearance", either by forcibly restraining you or, in the case of a summons, by sanctions imposed if you fail to appear.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)because she was not doing anything "suspicious," much less illegal (other than being black right there where everyone could see).
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Cooperating with racial harassment by police officers only allows them power over you they don't legally have.
Personally, I won't cooperate with being victimized.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Here's your quarter.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Don't mean to be obtuse, but I don't understand the significance of "quarter".
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Sounds perfectly ordinary.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Being unemployed will do that to a person.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Sounds perfectly ordinary.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)It's a nonsensical sub-thread, anyway.
enough
(13,259 posts)That way, if everybody just acts like adults and gets on with their day, we can have a nice quiet society where the police run things exactly the way they like it.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But really what I'm saying is, if you're dealing ignorance and abuse, why exacerbate it.
Right?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)shod?
That skinny A-A actress had more guts and knowledge about her rights.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The police assumed that an interracial couple was a whore and a John. And that's ok? That's being
an adult? It's unprofessional, racist and sick.
They were in the wrong.
Do not blame the victim.
Besides, if she had shown her ID, how in the hell does that prove that she's not a prostitute? They would have hauled
her in anyway.
The "Just be a 'Good German' mentality' is revolting.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Keep reading on the others
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)tblue37
(65,408 posts)doing anything wrong. It is abusive, and it is insulting to be *assumed* to be a prostitue for no reason other than the color of your skin.
But as long as people don't stand up and say, "NO!," it will just keep hapoening. Furthermore, it never just stays at the same level. It keeps getting ramped up if people don't make it stop before it reaches the point where nothing you do can have any impact.
Cops need to behave as reasonable, law-abiding adults, too, you knaw.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Your argument is conjecture as best.
adigal
(7,581 posts)No one likes to be profiled, of course. My teenagers were continually profiled in the small town where we live. They love to harass teenagers. We had the cops come into my house when we were not there and my 19 year old son was having a birthday party,they went through my drawers, and my closets. Then arrested my son for alcohol in the house.
He didn't resist. When dealing with bullies with guns, do what they say, we taught them, and we will sort it out later. So he did, thank goodness.
She could have showed her ID, then filed charges against the cop later. She certainly has the money to get a lawyer and do something practical, rather than just mouth off. It didn't help her point at all. So while she might have been right, she was stupid. And that is a decision we each have to make for ourselves.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I couldn't agree more with you.
I too was often harnessed as a teenager by some real southern character cops. It's reall what taught me how to deal with them and just to get the hell out of there as quickly and quietly as possible.
Look down tread if you like. Their are more facts about this incident that further prove why this line of thinking is the way to go.
Cheers.
adigal
(7,581 posts)For trying to be rational rather than emotional.
Stick to your metaphorical guns.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I would just show my ID and go on with my life.
You would not and rather sit in the back of a disgusting police car shrouded in self righteousness. Fine. Enjoy.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... to check if you've raped a cat or something stupid right?
No... it doesn't take freakin 2 seconds..
I can always tell when someone who's never experienced this kind of oppression speaks
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Too bad your skills are wasted on me.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... or no experience.
These types of harassing or oppressive actions from leos are stupid...
You can tell from the dept attitudes in LA they're not there to take and not serve
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)And working in 35 states, no to mention 13 countries with secret service clearance to be in the room with so far 2 presidents and 25 other heads of state and various secretaries therein, you'll just have to take my word for it that I've been around, stopped by, harassed and threatened by all levels of LEO.
But hey, you knew that right. You read a post of mine on DU. That's all you needed!
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Its rough being a black woman minding her own business out with her spouse giving him a smooch in public.
That's exactly like getting clearance to be around the President!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)See my point now.
Maybe you missed the previous exchange.
Enjoy.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Sorry - I'm a black "prostitute by default" who often goes out in public with her white husband (John by default). Sometimes we even - laaaaaaaws NO! - kiss in public.
It's a common stereotype that all black women are easy and the only reason why a white man would be with her is because she is easy.
My husband would tell ya - Think what you want. She's a domestic terrorist but I love her anyways.
I can't imagine how he would retaliate against anyone who did this to me.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)And seem to be doing fine on your own.
Cheers.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)We are laughing about this in our house this morning.
My husband is Calabrese - he keeps ranting about respect. Like this happened to hiiiiis wife!
You can tell I married old school - you don't accuse a mans wife of being a prostitute unless you see her taking money. Just not done in his country. This cop would get a visit in Calabria.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Kewl story bro!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Boom Sound Derangement.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Please explain why you think it is REASONABLE for someone who is NOT committing a crime or any form of civil infraction to be STOPPED by the police in the first place?
You have stated repeatedly you would "just show them your identification" with the assumption the encounter would end there.
You do not question why the encounter occurred in the first place.
By all accounts, law enforcement in most places is understaffed, over worked, and unable to handle such things as rape kits, homicides and armed robbery, yet you do not QUESTION the judgment and wasted tax dollars involved in stopping a couple Walking Down the Street who KISSED EACH OTHER IN PUBLIC and paying a police officer an hours wage to
A) Confront them;
B) Ask for Identification;
C) Enter that Identification into the System;
D) Wait for a Response;
E) Return the Identification;
F) Apologize and/or Don't
All while irritating and intimidating the law-abiding citizens who presumably have other obligations than to be treated in such a manner.
And bonus: if you have a common name ("Michael Brown" - not the kid who was shot, but the one the freepers confused him with - father of three, in jail, owed child support, blah, blah, blah) or heaven forbid have been a victim of identity theft, or someone puts the name in wrong, or maybe you don't have any identification because you were just going for a walk, or out to breakfast (I regularly leave my purse at home when I am with my husband), then this "two second encounter" which is really taking at least twenty minutes out of my day already could literally ruin the whole damn day, with bonus attorney fees, and a happy jail time experience to boot.
Why did this experience occur in the original post?
Because the "fashion police" thought a woman was a prostitute. As a result (and this is an aspect that has me totally pissed off) they CUT HER ARM with the handcuff, handled her roughly, SCARED AND HURT her ---
And would have gotten away with it IF SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE.
Another telling issue - the only reason we have a record of this is NOT because of the police detail about it ("no record of the incident" , but because the Law Abiding Citizen recorded it!
So, yeah, the fact you think being stopped While NOT Committing A Crime doesn't have the potential to turn into a life altering terrifying ordeal pretty much tells me you are probably a White Male. I can also probably assume you do not have many (if any) visible body art/tattoos/piercings, and are most likely over forty years of age.
I am making assumptions, but it would probably explain why you have a different view of the "role of law enforcement" - "protect and serve" - as opposed to what has become the norm for the vast majority of young minorities - "harass and arrest."
And because of all the things we learned, THAT is why law abiding citizens who are stopped while NOT committing a crime, need to remember their Rights and Responsibilities as Citizens, including not "showing their papers" so that ALL OF US, including minority youth who "dress funny" don't end up in jail, or worse, when interacting with law enforcement.
I hope this satisfies your request that I "do better" at expressing my disdain for your opinion.
Respectfully, of course.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Thanks.
I must tend to the fatherly duties now, but wanted to respond that I intend to respond.
Cheers.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)tblue37
(65,408 posts)potential to turn into being beaten--or even being killed.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Point 1
I never said and don't think it's reasonable at all. All I've said is I've come to terms with reality. That's an easy thing to shun on a discussion board, but not so much on the sidewalk. Especially given what we know we are dealing with.
Point 2. Assumption of show and walk.
I will grant you it's an assumption, but not exactly a thin one in that (let's take me for example) I have no warrants, etc. and am in 'good standing." So does the cop want to continue to road side detain? It's possible. Probably just to harass as identity as been established. So, I supposed I would request a supervisor at some point, but all in all I'm still not in handcuffs and very most likely on my albiet pissed off with an aggravating story.
Point 3. Questioning the encounter.
Yes as no. At one point in the thread I did discuss context of location which might shed some light about the contact.
Other than that, no. My initial response had to do with why she was handcuffed, not why contact was made. It seems clear from the article, she was detained for refusing ID, not suspicion of prostitution.
Point 4 - tax dollars at work
I think we can both agree the tax dollars used here are nominal at most. But to my point. Had she provided ID, the matter very reasonably would have take less time.
Point 5 identity theft and a nice day
I totally hear you. My only point is that yours is based on leaving your ID home. Not refusing to show it. That IS an important distinction.
But to your point. I do have a very common first and last name. Like, John Smith common. I,ve been stopped by police many times over my life. I've also had to show more than one type of ID to prove that I'm not the John Smith that does have a warrant. It's only happened a few times. But I would wager that's more than most (and certainly anyone in the pile on crew in this thread) and since then I keep my social security card with me as that's been the fastest way to secondarily prove who I am.
Point 6 Would she have gotten away with it.
I have no idea, however let's hypothesize for a moment. Let's say she had priors for prostitution. And furthermore, let's say that was her husband and what they were doing was harmless as it really was. My point is: who knows. All we know are the limited facts from a news article that (if memory serves) had no quotes and seemed to taken and solely known from social media. (But to honest, I have to check that and may ammend).
I'm going to speed things up a little and just hit on a couple more points.
I've read your assumptions about me and they are not far off. However, frankly this is DU and you probably described 85% of the male membership, not exactly a kudo to you. But, 20 years ago the visible tat, piercing argument would be a little stronger. Today not so much. In NYC any and I might make the arguement for LA(as this where the incident happened) to be 40ish and under without tattoos and/or piercings is to be in the minority. That's not a far stretch of the cultural imagination. Moreover, walk down the streets of the 5 burros and apply the same age group to the nypd and you'll find that those without above said are the same. (As in most have visible tats.)
Your last point- our rights
Yes, but their are ways to do it and their ways to exacerbate a situation when we are dealing with someone who is not exaclty te brightest knife in the tool shed.
Thank you for your post. Please excuse typos as I wrote this on my phone.
Respectfully as well,
Boom
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Dems2002
(509 posts)Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
Ben Franklin
This is why she did the right thing, even though it was more personally painful.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I'll leave it at that.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)*kissing while Black
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)Cop said he though I was trespassing and asked me to empty my pockets show my ID. I did and he said "have a good day" and that was it. Was the cop wrong in my case? Absolutely. Did it end bad? Not at all.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)You don't?
JI7
(89,252 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I never supported Zimmerman. I support equal protection. Obviously you support narratives. Their we are.
Any other trapping double sided and rather boring questions?
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)and handcuffed?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)And second. Had she showed her ID, she wouldn't have been cuffed.
Next.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and interrogate anyone they want, regardless of whether there is any evidence a crime has been committed? And that failure to carry official government papers authorizes handcuffing an innocent person?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Hers too apparently.
And I think you know that it's the world we live in. Rightly or wrongly.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)I can't believe you have lasted this long.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)And think real hard about that.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)because it is inconvenient to maintain the vigilance necessary to hold on to our freedom.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)They sure as hell keep it to themselves
delete_bush
(1,712 posts)Much better to find another rush-to-judgment thread and try again.
I would hope that if I ever made an OP that was as far off as this one, especially considering the inflammatory nature of the headline and what followed, I would at the very least apologize for my error.
Unfortunately, I don't see this happening much around here.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)Of course you do. Unless KWB (KissingWhileBlack), right?
Tell me another one.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #17)
Demobrat This message was self-deleted by its author.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Then the cops illegally seized her person. Could she have avoided that? Of course, but that doesn't mean that her rights were not violated. She acted with dignity; the cops did not.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Like it or not.
And I'm not defending either side. Did a cop use bad judgement? I dunno. Could she have diffused it? You tell me.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)This - could have been me. I don't mean to offend but it's funny to me that you can't see that there was nothing for her to do "wrong" -
Until the cop assumed this guy's wife was a prostitute.
The cop should not have stopped them.
Oh snap! I wonder if she was wearing her ring?
You have law enforcement authority / connects - can you find out for us?
That would be scandalous!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)And you likely know as well as I do, what kind of person (Leo) you could be dealing with.
So, just show ID, tell the cop to move along. What's "wrong" with that.
If you want to use the moment as something more than it needs to be, don't be surprised if you get some sort of childish or worse retaliation. But, I think you know that.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I married a man from Southern Italy and I'm suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome" as a result. You gotta understand - even in your perfect world -
There are men who can and will get away with retaliating against this cop for EVEN thinking their wife was a prostitute.
If your wife was assumed to be a "whore" I'm guessing you would be okay with that?
"Hey! I need her ID! I think your wife is a ho!". Stop it! You'd be pissed if someone assumed your wife was a hooker.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Yes, it would piss me off. Yes my wife and I would have some words to the cop and several more after the situation, but all predicated by showing ID to diffuse.
Here's what I don't understand. Given you're status (for lack of a better word) and given your experiences and knowledge of Leo's, why don't you just get out of the situation as easily and quickly as possible and go back to smooching?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and bulky people of color.
Two people being affectionate is not probable cause to suspect a crime.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I think that might shed some light.
Other than that. Sure, I'm with you.
No where have I or am I defending the cop.
My point, is she had the opportunity to diffuse. She didn't. Shocker as to what happened next considering the initial contact. Right?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Without that, no right to detain , period. End of story.
Cop should be checking meters, not dealing with human beings.
Shocker that racist cops would continue to abuse their authority? Of course not.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But we don't know many things that may have caused the contact, but I'm not naive enogh to rule out racism, I'm just saying if we all know that and are including racism as a motivator, then diffuse and walk away.
Right?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the victim of the cop's abuse of power.
Why are you focusing your blame on the victim?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)She could have diffused. She didn't. So the guy being a creep did what? He kept being a creep when she gave him the opportunity.
She had done nothing wrong.
She had no priors.
She had no warrants.
But when she refused to show ID, she created a plausible suspicion. Even if that's bull shit, that's how the cop took it or used it againt her.
That's just sidewalk reality. You want to get out of the situation with a jerk cop, don't give him a reason to keep you their longer.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That is victim blaming.
We're done here.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Cheers.
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)It's thinking like that that makes cops think they can grab any Black person in NY and frisk them on the oft chance they have a gun. You claim you are for equal protection under the law but are insisting that this Black woman behave in a way in an incident that most likely wouldn't happen with a White woman. Already we have to have conversations with our children on how to behave with police that White parents never have to have. Where and when does it stop. How about the police do some actual "policing"
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)tblue37
(65,408 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:30 AM - Edit history (1)
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)It would have really landed too, if not for the typo.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)I meant to insert a space.
But that was once. The reason I finally mentioned the "diffuse"/"defuse" issue was that the word kept being used, over and over, and over again.
I wasn't trying to "get" you, but since the word was being used so very frequently, I thought you might want to know the difference.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Look up the Mustafa Family - MN.
That was me.
I'm not even in L.E. - more of the NSA and Homeland Security function at a major wireless carrier. Steal millions of dollars of phones to send to your buddies in Pakistan and you are directly hitting my targeted 52K bonus. I retaliate.
Truthfully? I'd play the game - because I CAN retaliate. And get away with it . . . When the Corporations get in bed with the Feds - this is what happens. Rich people - even black female ones - are given ways to get even.
Low level cops never know who they are pulling over. Or stopping. They sometimes don't realize who their betters are.
I'm glad for you though. Married to a white woman right? They don't have the stigma that 1StrngBlkman shared - lay with tan become a man.
Your wife will never be accused of being a prostitute for kissing you in public. Just because she's white!
You should just sit back and smirk at your "status" now. You get to do that - safe and snug as a bug.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)If he would have told NOPD to "move along" after they insulted his wife, he may have been beaten or worse.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)From me about the character of the NOPD.
So, point taken.
Eta: mostly that was an attempt at humor.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"What's "wrong" with that..."
It gives implicit consent to the continued abuse of power for its own sake. No doubt, the white male will ever see the cop demanding ID in this scenario as merely an inconvenience at worst, rather than an accurate example of the inherent and institutional racism held by those who will abuse it if given the opportunity.
If you want to bury your head in the sand, meekly accept that "this is just the way thing are...", and wear fashionable i-blinders, that's on you... but I don't think too many people here are finding your justifications and rationalizations as anything other than merely justifications and rationalizations.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)You might have something.
But until then, it's a generalization and nothing more.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)with white skin and green eyes.
Sometime ago (before interracial marriage was legal in Louisiana) he and his first wife were approached by local police while sitting in their car. They saw her before they saw him. They then apologized to him for disturbing him while he was with his black prostitute.
That was about 50 years ago. Thank Heavens that we have made so much progress! NOT!
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)By cops on Louisville Kentucky in 1970. My mom was 6 months pregnant with my brother at the the time. If my dad wasn't in his dress uniform they would have doubled back and done god knows what to them.it was cops. Black husband with a white wife.
Not a damn thing has changed.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But they do have a right to detain you to establish ID when you refuse it.
I'm saying I agree with it. I'm saying I understand what I'm exposing myself to if I choose. As she did.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There was no probable cause, not even any improbable cause. No indication of any wrongdoing.
Ergo, no right to detain. Cops do not have the right to detain and interrogate anyone they want just to entertain themselves.
"Pardon me comrade, may I see your papers?"
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)and the fact that they systematically DO so, AND that they overwhelmingly target minorities, highlights a PROBLEM that needs to be FIXED. Which is why simply not succumbing to their demands is noteworthy and respectable.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I'm going to bet that was her first time in handcuffs.
I'm going to double down, that next time she will just show ID and go about her smooching.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)tblue37
(65,408 posts)the first place. In 24 states they *can* do what you claim, but in California, they *cannot.*
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Which then gives police probable cause.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)it is hard to know if the cops violated her fourth amendment rights as those rights have been interpreted by several bad SCOTUS decisions.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)I'm a 37 year old woman. Why on earth should I have to carry around my ID all the damn time? I'm about to go for a bike ride on the trail. Should I have my ID with me? I'm riding with a bunch of middle age women.
FFS.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)No argument from me.
I just obey the law so I can go the f on with my life.
If that means putting my wallet in pocket when I go for a bike ride. Fine.
Their are a lot of laws that are silly and stupid. But if you choose to break them, well.....
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Maybe you grew up in the former USSR, but here where personal freedom is the general rule, people do not need to have Official Government Papers whenever they appear in public.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Although I don't think so. But here in the land of the free, cops can detain you for whatever reason they like, especially when you manufacture a reason like refusing to show ID when you are a completely innocent and "unwanted" person.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There must be "reasonable suspicion" that the person committed a crime.
Are you familiar with the phrase "unreasonable searches and seizures?"
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Because they do.
It's ok if we disagree.
I'm showing my ID abd walking the f away. Feel free to make your own choice.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Citizens should not tolerate abuses of the constitution.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)But they're held to a different standard.
Partly because people like you choose to shrug and go along with it (probably because it doesn't affect you in the same way it does certain communities - and yes I read your silly post about how you were under scrutiny because of the situations you chose to put yourself in).
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts). . .you left your license at home. There is no legal requirement to carry an ID. A driver license is required when operating a vehicle. If i took my bike for ride, i don't need to take my license. There is no such requirement for operating a bicycle.
Hence, you're creating an expectation for having proof of identification where none exists.
Your whole argument is rooted in that faulty premise.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)She was not without ID.
She refused to show it.
That's an important distinction.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)She is not legally required to carry or show ID to keep herself from being detained by police. Police need to have reasonable cause to ask her for ID, to stop her, to detain her, to do anything short of saying hello and commenting on the weather. We live in the US with a constitution. Do you support people's constitutional rights? What happened is called "unreasonable search and seizure" in the constitution and is not allowed. How would you feel if someone's 2nd amendment rights were being denied?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)This is the problem with YOUR argument. You now are assuming she had an ID. Maybe she did, but the cops did not have a legal right to even ask. If she said no, they had no reason to ask why. Not in California.
You're logic is horribly tortured and you can twist and swing all you want but the only faulty argument here is your silly position.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)"When the officers asked Watts to produce a photo ID when questioned, she refused."
Anything else?
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)Did you miss that part whilst being an obedient citizen?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Still waiting
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)She may have been standing on principle, because she didn't have to show ID whether she had it or not.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But what we has as facts is refusal. Whether or not it was on her is nearly irrelevant at that point. They asked, she refused, so now we have chapter 2
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)They could continue to investigate any possible wrong-doing, but, seeing as there wasn't any, they didn't have much to do. Chapter 2 should have been "OK, that's your right, even if we think it's unhelpful to us as public servants". Followed by leaving to investigate known crimes.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)The end.
phylny
(8,380 posts)The more people acquiesce to this type of harassment, the more it becomes accepted behavior.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)Lots of good Germans felt the same way you do.
You are known by the company you keep, my dear Mother used to say...so true, so true.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)The results:
On Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:44 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
You said - "I'm showing my ID abd walking the f away. Feel free to make your own choice"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5533723
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
I may not hold a popular opinion, but this is a discussion board that has rules. Rules which I follow.
Calling me a NAZI is not discussion. That I'm part of a group that attempted to exterminate a people is not discussion.
Boom Sound 416
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:57 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Well Mr Boom Sound, like it or not, the response is entirely appropriate. Giving into armed thugs with badges IS exactly what allowed the Nazis to succeed. Surrendering our RIGHTS is not an option and the sooner police bullies get that through their heads, the better.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You weren't called a Nazi or even a good German.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's close, however, it;s not calling Boom SOund a Nazi...leave
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)and was unable to respond until now.
This jury decision has given me renewed hope in the Democraticunderground forum, which I've been sorely lacking in for a few months. I've been a member since way back, never a prolific poster, but a prolific reader.....
It is just so different from what I'd become accustomed to and came to expect. Now it is almost an echo chamber of Yahoo comments. The ignorance, the right-wing Dems, etc. has so disheartened me.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)But I guess you need to engage in the circularity to try to get around the whole "reasonable suspicion" part since the closest the police came was the very unreasonable and racist suspicion that since she was black, she must be a prostitute.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Right?
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)You allow them to? When you stop making excuses for illegal activity, perhaps they will stop.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But if you're not carrying your ID, you can't be faulted, if you give your name. However, that gives them the right to search you in CO, and if you do have an ID, you get in trouble.
But CA, where this happened, does not require an ID being presented. The officer failed their duty to uphold the law.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I'll agree with you.
Not saying you're wrong, just not in agreemt.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Maybe. Or maybe you'll forget in a years time. They got a suit though, keep track of this couple, this was an illegal detention.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I own up to things I say here that turn out to be wrong or incorrect.
I have in this thread.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But unfortunately there is precedent saying it's legal and "OK." I think future SCOTUS decisions should render it illegal.
Otherwise, if you're serious, and you spent a lot of time posting in this thread, keep an eye out on this couple. They're high profile and probably won't take a settlement, so you should see it come to a head. It could take years though, just add their names to a google alert or something.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)And I hope very much so with respect to SCOTUS.
Appreciate the tone as well. Sincerely.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The only laws saying you have to are for when you are driving.
Being out in public is not enough to require ID.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)So no. The officers should be educated into the laws of the state.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)As stated in the intergoogle of law answers
She did have it with her. She refused to show it.
Did you read the whole thing?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)The cop's attitude is what is wrong, not my reading.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)Are you deliberately ignoring that point, or are you just unable to process it?
Sure they can ask for it, and she was perfectly within her rights to tell them to fuck off.
Next?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Me, the cop or the woman in handcuffs
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)So that means I'm talking to you.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Head.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW
treestar
(82,383 posts)From what we have so far, there was no probable cause to believe a crime was being committed. Bad call by cop. And it does not appear to have resulted in charges.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Think before you act.
Unless of course you have nothing better to do with your day but play on stereotypical views.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)received a call from someone, then your ire should be directed at the caller not the police.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Assuming there was a caller in the first. A simple conversation would've settled the matter.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)which escalated the situation that was started by a nosy resident.
Again did the police follow proper procedure for this type of complaint?
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)So why did it escalate the situation? Proper procedure would be to accept her denial. If an officer asks to search your home without a warrant and you refuse, is anger the proper response?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Signed,
Resident of a city where stop and frisk is policy.
Maybe you tell a cop that.
hunter
(38,317 posts)I like to pretend I live in a free country.
I've been hassled for it too.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)That you had no ID
or
You refused to show your ID
because the two are not the same.
hunter
(38,317 posts)I was briefly assaulted but then the officer realized he'd gone too far, picked me up, brushed me off, and told me to scram.
I'm white, so I can get away with shit like that.
I've taught my kids to be polite. Resistant to abuse, but polite. The police in our city are too quick to shoot people, even unarmed people.
Nobody ever beat it into me that I had to respect authority, so I don't. (I believe that despicable "window of opportunity," to instill "respect" for authority by violence, goes away in early childhood.)
For most of my life now I've lived in rougher communities where interactions with the police are not uncommon. I've experienced the good, the bad, and the extremely ugly.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But you really didn't answer the question.
To some degree I suppose it could be argued you did, but my singular point stands.
hunter
(38,317 posts)No thanks.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Something rudimentary like that.
Or it could be when trouble finds you don't ask for seconds or something.
hunter
(38,317 posts)It's the police harassing people, which is against the law.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)No. And it was. That's the rub, as they say.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)You are sick, sadistic and depraved animals who look for any excuse to hurt someone and get off on seeing people hurt while hiding behind a badge and a great institution that was built on helping people. You ought to be treated like pedophiles and locked away from society. You have no business on the streets, you have no business having any authority over people and you have no business handling a deadly weapon.
As always the name of the game is Lie, Deny, and Deflect and it is a delusional sick cult-like culture that lies for each other and lies to themselves. This is pure unadulterated mental illness, it is a sickness permeating law enforcement that needs to be eradicated quickly before it gets way out of hand.
Sadly Police departments across the nation are staffed by these depraved animals.
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Police union gives $500 "Bounty" to officers involved in shootings
http://www.pressherald.com/2012/03/23/police-union-gives-payments-to-officers-involved-in-shootings_2012-03-24/
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These people are nothing more than street gang thugs.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Go tell a cop tough guy.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Not every person who joins the ranks are violent, angry, knuckle dragging psychopath who are looking for any excuse to set up, beat or kill someone but unfortunately because cops are rarely held accountable it is attracting really dangerous and mentally ill individuals.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Maybe you should look up what the term "papers please" signifies.
Look up the effin terms "fascism" and "police state".
Unless of course you have nothing better to do than piss away our rights.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Constimatuushun that says where stop and frisk is legal.
And I appreciate the pedestal, but I'm not the one pissing on our rights.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)The racism among those in positions of authority needs to stop.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)An LAPD public information officer said there was no record of the incident as Watts was not arrested or brought into the station for questioning, according to the Chicago Tribune.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755113/Django-Unchained-actress-claims-handcuffed-detained-police-mistaken-prostitute-kissed-husband.html
Pic of the a**hole cop
get the red out
(13,466 posts)Cops are so out of touch, with rampant racism, that they are getting to be a separate culture everywhere. Every African American is a crime suspect; and AA teens need killing, every family dog is about to attack and needs to be shot (as the cops barg through the wrong yard), 8 year old girls are so dangerous they have to be tazed, and the mentally ill need killing.
I work on a campus at a southern college and interracial couples aren't given a second glance. Young people are becoming better people while cops regress.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)He "JUSTIFIES" the illegal handcuffing because, hey, you might be "a murderer from Kentucky"!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)wow.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)This has racial profiling written all over it imo.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)an observation....that claim seemed weird to me
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just doesn't happen.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)for prostitute and john and calls Police.
"Separately her chef husband posted on his Facebook page that he thought that the person who called the police had decided they looked like a prostitute and a client.
He wrote: 'From the questions that he asked me as D was already on her phone with her dad, I could tell that whoever called on us (including the officers), saw a tatted RAWKer white boy and a hot bootie shorted black girl and thought we were a H* (prostitute) & a TRICK (client).
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755113/Django-Unchained-actress-claims-handcuffed-detained-police-mistaken-prostitute-kissed-husband.html#ixzz3DIJo5tk6
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If a neighbor called then it sounds like they have a neighbor similar to one of mine. Not a nice person.
So the police had to investigate the complaint, if the call was real which can be verified. If they didn't and the situation turned out to be something else, prostitute and a murderous/abusive john, then I am quite sure the same people screaming about the police would be screaming about the police.
Did the police follow the rules once she refused to produce ID? WHat are the rules in that circumstance?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)And frankly I'm not sure that producing an ID would have gotten her released any sooner. It was a bullshit stop. If the cops had no good reason to detain her in the first place then why would showing an ID change anything?
otohara
(24,135 posts)did they refuse to believe they were husband/wife?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)This is something that happened to her and her father when she was 16. What an assumption to make!!!
Because of my past experience with the law, I gave him my ID knowing we did nothing wrong and when they asked D for hers, she refused to give it because they had no right to do so.
So they handcuffed her and threw her roughly into the back of the cop car until they could figure out who she was. In the process of handcuffing her, they cut her wrist, which was truly NOT COOL!!!
https://www.facebook.com/chefbelive2/posts/817284528304447
dhill926
(16,346 posts)fucking disgusting...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)If only we all carried "papers" like in ...well you know ...194* Germany.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Specifically, it needs one more.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)You can't serve on a jury for that one. But he's on my jury black list.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)There are some who are perfectly okay with Big Brother and live by the "hey, if you're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you just hand over your ID" rule.
Ugh.
This is horrid.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)Amazing some of the shit you see posted on a democratic discussion board these days...
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Zee must show zee papers when requested by der Gestapo!! It's zee 'Merican way!!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Rings
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)She was released "quite quickly when they realized we were right outside CBS and that she was a celebrity and I was a celeb chef," Lucas wrote. "Before they figured out who she was they were threatening calling an ambulance and drugging her for being psychologically unstable, SO NOT COOL WHATSOEVER! "
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Norm Guy
(13 posts)I'm a white guy, but this continuing SHIT is pissing me off
whistler162
(11,155 posts)police perhaps she can sue that person.
If as the husband said in his facebook entry someone called the police and made a compalint then the police had two options.
1 - Ignore the call.
2 - Do their job and investigate the complaint.
The next question is did they follow proper procedure when they talked to the two people? What is the procedure when answering a complaint and person who was compalined about refuses to provide identification.
Norm Guy
(13 posts)...so now I'm kicking this one back to the top of the General Discussion forum. (You already have my durec; the other thread does not. Just trying to be fair.)
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IronLionZion
(45,457 posts)I can certainly relate. I had a somewhat similar situation where Baltimore's finest had a hard time believing that someone like me could have a pretty white girlfriend. So she might have been sloppy drunk and looking trashy that night, but still. It's nobody's business. I did have the good sense to take the car keys away from her. Thankfully, they didn't arrest us and we both showed our college ids.
People don't have to be married, or even to be banging. Last I checked it's not a crime for consenting adults to kiss each other in public anywhere.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)It seems its being intentionally used by police to harass lawful citizens.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)The issue is racial profiling. If they hadn't had the prostitution excuse, they would have came up with another excuse. They racially profile first, and find an excuse second, and the excuses are interchangable.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Parts of the article is obviously biased especially the part about "Watts instantly plays the race card" and keep in mind one of TMZ's "reporters" is the son of a police officer but it is an interesting take on what happened.
Daniele Watts had just left CBS studios in the San Fernando Valley around 2 PM Thursday. She says she was making out with her BF, but we've learned witnesses from the nearby Directors Guild office building told cops they were watching her and her BF have full-on sex in the passenger seat WITH THE DOOR OPEN!
The eyewitnesses said the guy was sitting in the seat, she was straddling him and it was for everyone to see. One eyewitness told cops they cleaned themselves up afterward with a tissue.
TMZ obtained police audio of the incident. Watts instantly plays the race card when Sgt. Jim Parker asked for her ID. She quickly moves from the race card to the fame card -- then storms off, refusing to show her ID.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio
LisaL
(44,973 posts)You can listen for yourself. Cop never accused her of being a hooker. She was asked for an ID. So was her boyfriend. Her boyfriend provided one. She refused. Police had probable cause to ask her for an ID, because of a 911 call about lewd acts in the car. Which cop explained to her.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)standing by.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)newer details are true you'd been right but that's not the story you responded to originally.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Take note of the sentence "I'd already be gone". Then get back to me.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Even a self-perceived self-validation is better than no self-validation at all...
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)That's the best.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)SaltyBro
(198 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)zonkers
(5,865 posts)would jump to any conclusions based upon a suspect's appearances (race, hair, clothing, etc.). It makes no sense. I mean, anywhere but here! This is hollyweird. This town is so multicultural and a mash up of so many "types"-- bikers, thugs, punks, rockers, rockers, sissy boys, nerds. If you told me this happened in Downy or San Diego, I would believe it.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)In the front seat of a car with the door open.
I don't know where some of you were raised as children, but where I was raised, that was and is illegal.
SaltyBro
(198 posts)Some racist white saw a white man and a black woman kissing and called the cops.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)goes against popular opinion.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)that the police got a call reporting public sex or that they got a call about a couple kissing? Why would witnesses- in the plural- lie?
And for that matter, when was she accused of being a prostitute. It's not on the tape of the police speaking with her. I don't believe that either Daniele or Brian claim that the cop actually made that accusation.
It could be racism but it seems more likely that it wasn't.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)There is no evidence any "sexual" activity occurred as postulated by the poster I responded to.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)ARE considered evidence.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I call bullshit.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)If they have testimony to offer, they do it at trial - or during discovery.
At this preliminary stage, however, if several different people say they saw them having sex and maybe can identify scars, moles, or other birthmarks normally hidden from view, or can recount an identical sequence of events, then yes, Houston, we have a problem.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)And you state the witness...
Who do you think I was talking about getting arrested?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)to talk about here? No? Have a good night.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Good night.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Especially in CA.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I have a bridge to blah blah blah.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Given that the couple was not arrested or charged, I suspect the eyewitness account doesn't hold up.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But racism is a bird of many feathers.
One of which is not in the passenger seat of a car.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)LOL
Only a problem if you fit the profile for another target. Police have a hard job. They make it harder for themselves for reasons I do not understand.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)Sex with the car door open. Her straddling him. Wiping up with a tissue afterwards.
Then she makes a complete ass of herself in the recordings of the incident.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Limited awareness me. I wondered why her husband was not standing up for her. Guess he was putting his pants on!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)The only place I've seen that is a tabloidy exploitative website that uses the term "pulled the race card" in the same article. They were found to have not broken the law, and this is bullshit.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)where she does exactly that.
Rawstory ran with it: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/blog/2014/09/15/witnesses-django-unchained-actress-and-boyfriend-having-sex-in-car-before-police-arrived/
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I don't care if she brings up race. The term "playing the race card" is itself racist. People can say they think they're targeted for being black without them playing any damn card.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)cheers.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)We are in a racist society, and we've created a term where we can dismiss and demonize victims of racism for mentioning racism. The term perpetuates racism and further oppresses people of color. I wouldn't trust a website that used that term even if it wasn't an exploitative tabloid piece of shit like TMZ.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)When she says "you wouldn't be here if I wasn't black"-
He should have said-
"I would be here if you weren't fucking your husband in a parked car in broad daylight at 2:00 in the afternoon"
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)According to the cop is a call was made via dispatch. That step seems to 'waive or nullify the right to refuse as it's not a stop' (my amateur words)
Xithras
(16,191 posts)California once had a stop and identify statute, but it was thrown out in a court case on 5th Amendment grounds. Later state court rulings said that it's legal for the police to detain or arrest you for failing to identify yourself, while other courts have said that they cannot. The ACLU in our state currently advises everyone to produce their ID, or be willing to face arrest. They concede that your arrest might be illegal, but your fate will be heavily dependent on the jurisdiction you're arrested in.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Otherwise police could arrest any cyclist or jogger on the street because they didn't have their wallet.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)But some here think that if you don't present a drivers license you get put in jail. It's flat out wrong.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)She's a no talent trying to jump-start her career.