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newthinking

(3,982 posts)
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 01:18 PM Sep 2014

NewsWeek - Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes

Last edited Sun Sep 14, 2014, 01:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes
By Damien Sharkov


Ukrainian servicemen from the "Azov" battalion detain men at a site of battle with pro-Russian separatists in the eastern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol June 13, 2014. Osman Karimov/Pool/Reuters

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[font size=2]Groups of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists are committing war crimes in the rebel-held territories of Eastern Ukraine, according to a report from Amnesty International, as evidence emerged in local media of the volunteer militias beheading their victims.

Armed volunteers who refer to themselves as the Aidar battalion “have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions”, Amnesty said.

The organization has also published a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants, highlighting the brutality of the conflict which has claimed over 3,000 lives.

Amnesty’s statement came before images of what appeared to be the severed heads of two civilians’ started circulating on social media today, identified by Russian news channel NTV as the heads of rebel hostages.

Shortly after, Kiev-based news network Pravilnoe TV reported that it had spoken with one of the mothers of the victims who confirmed her son was a rebel, captured during fighting in Donetsk.[/font]


Continued:
http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604?piano_t=1


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NewsWeek - Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes (Original Post) newthinking Sep 2014 OP
The actual report states both sides are Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #1
War is a living hell RobertEarl Sep 2014 #5
Then I look forward to your all-around condemnation Union Scribe Sep 2014 #10
I do of all the possible war crimes on both sides Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #33
Eastern Ukrainians didn't go to Kiev to brutalize anyone there. They were invaded and attacked sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #19
RT Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #2
{{{chuckle}}} eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #3
Yeah, hilarious.. "a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants" Cha Sep 2014 #8
Well, so long as everyone's doing it, that makes it okay. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2014 #27
HA!! nt m-lekktor Sep 2014 #4
"HA"? "a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants.." Cha Sep 2014 #9
Which they are committing in western Ukraine where they invaded eridani Sep 2014 #12
Fucking Putin's shite.. Cha Sep 2014 #13
That ain't the half of it--I'm also a Saddam lover because I was against invading Iraq eridani Sep 2014 #17
They invaded Kiev and started to brutalize innocent people there? No, they WERE invaded by Kiev sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #20
Now, don't be dithering. n/t RobertEarl Sep 2014 #6
No, not RT. "a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants.." Cha Sep 2014 #7
That means both sides are unworthy of support. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #11
Of course not. Cha Sep 2014 #15
Not to nit pick or support any brutality, but the initiators of crime are the most responsible. The sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #22
This narrative was a response to UA guys' heads in boxes. joshcryer Sep 2014 #16
I thought it might be in response to something horrible. :( Cha Sep 2014 #18
Just to give you an idea: joshcryer Sep 2014 #21
Yes the pro putin propaganda is strong.. just teeming with Putin spirit who started Cha Sep 2014 #24
I'll never forget a poster here posting United Russia spam. joshcryer Sep 2014 #25
Thanks for the refresher, josh.. I had forgotten about that! Cha Sep 2014 #26
I remembered that because I posted on my phone. joshcryer Sep 2014 #29
I hear ya, josh.. I don't even have Cha Sep 2014 #31
Stupid smart phones. joshcryer Sep 2014 #32
Everything that is happening there is in response to the horrors committed by the Ukraine Govt sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #23
DUzy malaise Sep 2014 #34
You know UA is advancing when the Putinists spam. joshcryer Sep 2014 #14
Onme of sure is worked up tonight Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #28
UA is making impressive advances lately. joshcryer Sep 2014 #30
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
1. The actual report states both sides are
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:24 PM
Sep 2014
Ukraine: Mounting evidence of war crimes and Russian involvement
Ukrainian militia and separatist forces are responsible for war crimes, Amnesty International said today. The organisation accused Russia of fuelling separatist crimes as it revealed satellite images indicating a build-up of Russian armour and artillery in eastern Ukraine.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-05
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. War is a living hell
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:39 PM
Sep 2014

Any who support war should be made to taste the bitterness before they venture their support.

To think any war will not have atrocities committed is a think that borders on insanity and must be purged from those with such ill minds.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
10. Then I look forward to your all-around condemnation
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:47 AM
Sep 2014

instead of rooting for one side and saying "well the pro-Russians are doing it too." Right? Because I keep noticing these stories getting the same reception from the same people, and it's basically a shrug and an oh-well, then they're off to the next thread talking about how Kiev is fighting the good fight.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
33. I do of all the possible war crimes on both sides
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:02 AM
Sep 2014

The majority of the Ukrainian military is not doing this and just look at how the freed areas are now doing.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. Eastern Ukrainians didn't go to Kiev to brutalize anyone there. They were invaded and attacked
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:25 AM
Sep 2014

by their own government for NO REASON and these thugs were sent there to commit atrocities in an effort to force them into submission. If there was a response to that, someone should have thought about the consequences of sending brutal thugs into a city to kill and brutalize innocent people before they allowed it to happen.

But then we're talking about a coup assisted by neo-nazis and then the installation of a Corporate Puppet whose government has collapsed as the world watches in horror.

Shamefully the US has played a huge role in all of this from the beginning.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
8. Yeah, hilarious.. "a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants"
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:41 AM
Sep 2014
"The organization has also published a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants, highlighting the brutality of the conflict which has claimed over 3,000 lives."

Cha

(297,322 posts)
9. "HA"? "a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants.."
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:43 AM
Sep 2014
"The organization has also published a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants, highlighting the brutality of the conflict which has claimed over 3,000 lives."

eridani

(51,907 posts)
17. That ain't the half of it--I'm also a Saddam lover because I was against invading Iraq
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:19 AM
Sep 2014

Care to post a map showing where either Russians or eastern Ukrainians are located in western Ukraine?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. They invaded Kiev and started to brutalize innocent people there? No, they WERE invaded by Kiev
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:29 AM
Sep 2014

thugs and retaliated after the murders of innocent people who have done nothing to warrant that criminal govt sending in its army to kill its own people, complete with neo-nazi thugs.

I wonder what would happen here if brutal thugs sent by a corrupt govt, think Bush, to kill and torture innocent people. I can guarantee there would be retaliation.

The perps who started all this are responsible for all of it, including any retaliatory actions taken against them.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
7. No, not RT. "a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants.."
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:39 AM
Sep 2014
"The organization has also published a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants, highlighting the brutality of the conflict which has claimed over 3,000 lives."

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
11. That means both sides are unworthy of support.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:49 AM
Sep 2014

Which basically destroys the cold war narrative NATO/EU/IMF and their media tools have established.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. Not to nit pick or support any brutality, but the initiators of crime are the most responsible. The
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:32 AM
Sep 2014

response is retaliation and while wrong, I'm not sure what any of us would do if we saw our grandmothers murdered by a bunch of thugs. I wouldn't want anyone to respond in kind, but when you commit murder and mayhem you never know who is going to retaliate. The Kiev Govt is ultimately responsible for all of it and should never have been supported by this country. But is and will be no matter how many atrocities they commit. We have 'interests' there and innocent people don't seem to matter much when the US has 'interests'.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
16. This narrative was a response to UA guys' heads in boxes.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:08 AM
Sep 2014

The rebels decapitated a bunch of UA guys' and were rumored to be mailing the heads to the fucking families. I shit you not. My rumor sources are Ukraine LJ's so I won't post them, but it's easy enough to find the pictures.

If you want to see heads in boxes.

So don't do it for your own sanity.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
21. Just to give you an idea:
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:31 AM
Sep 2014

The pictures are of UA soldiers heads in wooden boxes, maybe apple crates, or some other fruit or vegetables. Very disturbing.

This report and others like it are a response to the pro-Russians being caught being savages. There is another pro-Russia report saying UA soldiers beheaded people but if you watch the whole thing (again not safe for life, NSFL), you don't see any decapitations whatsoever. Yes rebels died in that video but they were not desecrated or beheaded.

The propaganda is strong and it's only because we see that the UA is obliterating the rebel forces after the rebel forces broke the ceasefire by attacking Maripol.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
24. Yes the pro putin propaganda is strong.. just teeming with Putin spirit who started
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:00 AM
Sep 2014

this ugly shite. But, leave putin alone wah wah wah!

They try to cover up all of putin's atrocities and just point out anyone else's..no matter if it's in a response to atrocities committed against them or not.

I've never seen such a committed bunch of fans..

Lover boy..


Putin is a screaming homophobe..

In State Of The Nation Address, Putin Defends Anti-Gay Law

"MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin used his state-of-the-nation address on Thursday to defend conservative values, referring obliquely to his government's anti-gay stance as he chided the West for treating "good and evil" equally.

Russia has faced Western criticism over a law banning "propaganda of non-traditional relations," which gay rights groups say has given a green light to harassment and intimidation. The law has prompted activists across the world to demand a boycott of the Winter Olympics in Sochi in February.

In his 70-minute televised speech from an ornate Kremlin hall, Putin pledged to defend traditional family values, which he said were the foundation of Russia's greatness and a bulwark against "so-called tolerance — genderless and infertile."

end snip//

"Putin is believed to be a devout Christian" Yeah, we know all about those "devout Christians" who use hate in the name of Christ.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/putin-state-of-the-nation_n_4432001.html


Putin’s grip on the internet

snip//

The precedent of persecuting bloggers to silence them was set in 2008, a year after a blogger Savva Terentyev criticised police in a comment on a LiveJournal post he was sentenced to one year suspended sentence, article 282 of Russian Criminal Code for, “fomenting of social hatred” towards policemen. Since then, article 282, which covers actions provoking animosity and hatred towards certain religious, social, gender or national groups has been used to silence bloggers through the courts.

The other charge commonly used against internet users is “extremism” . Throughout Putin’s reign this charge has been used to target people who criticise the Kremlin — together with defamation and drug legislation. Russia’s Department of Presidential Affairs won three defamation lawsuits against newspaper Novaya Gazeta in just one week last year. All the articles talked about this authority’s controversial withdrawals from Russian budget and extremely high salaries of its staff. The editor-in-chief Dmitry Muratov told Index that Kremlin has been using defamation suits as a censorship instrument.


snip//

Starting from 1 November 2012 Russian authorities won’t need a court ruling, like they did in the Terentyev case. Authorities will appeal to ISPs, like in the Rumyantsev case, create website blacklists and will be able to actually shut down anything they won’t like. Previously, a court ruling could make a website or the URL of a certain web content inaccessible in a specific region, while it stayed available in another.

Andrey Soldatov, an expert on Russian security services, notes that soon “the Kremlin will have at its disposal the facilities for blocking access to internet resources across the whole of Russia”, including Skype and Facebook."

http://uncut.indexoncensorship.org/2012/08/putins-russia-internet-censorship/

More recently..

snip// March 20, 2014

Putin ramps up Internet censorship, citing Google and Snowden to ensure public support


On March 13, a half-dozen highly trafficked opposition blogs and indie media outlets were suddenly blocked within Russia. The websites — including the highly respected Ekho Moskvy radio station and the blog of popular nationalist opposition politician, Alexei Navalny — received no notice of the impeding cutoff.

There was no court order, no trial, not even a public hearing. But there’s no doubt the move was official: Roskomnadzor, Russia’s mass media and telecommunications regulator, very publicly announced it in a directive to Russian ISPs, explaining that access to these websites must be blocked for extremism and for encouraging people to attend unsanctioned protests — in this case, against Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

This new formal power to unilaterally block access to any website comes via a brand new Internet censorship law that went into effect on February 1, 2014. It’s called the “Law of Lugovoi” — named after its author, State Duma Deputy Andrei Lugovoi, a scary ex-FSB officer-turned-Duma deputy who is better known as the prime suspect in the 2007 polonium assassination of Alexander Litvinenko in London.

Russia has refused to extradite Lugovoi to the UK to face trial and has instead allowed him to make a second career for himself as an ambitious legislator in Russia’s lower house of parliament. Lugovoi has put his personal stamp on plenty of bills, including ones that limit free speech and expand the power of the FSB. (He’s also know for periodically issuing veiled death threats against opposition politicians.)

http://pando.com/2014/03/20/putin-ramps-up-internet-censorship-citing-google-and-snowden-to-ensure-public-support/


joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
25. I'll never forget a poster here posting United Russia spam.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:16 AM
Sep 2014

On May Day, no less. And when called on it, they acted as if it wasn't a big deal. Oh, no, supporting fascist United Russia isn't a big deal. I also remember this year on May Day when actual neo-Nazi's marched in Russia. You were one of the few here who picked up on that and posted the pics.

Up is down and black is white to the Putinists, I swear to fuck. I literally, physically, either face palm or sigh out loud every time I see their nonsense posted.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
26. Thanks for the refresher, josh.. I had forgotten about that!
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:28 AM
Sep 2014

Anne Applebaum @anneapplebaum
Follow
One more time: yes, this National Socialist march took place today, legally, in St Petersburg. @svaboda
7:35 AM - 1 May 2014 1,002 Retweets 170 favorites


Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR
Follow
May 1st in #Russia.Ppl with #nazi flags are welcomed, meanwhile ppl with #ukrainian flag are detained @TukvaSociopat

11:31 AM - 1 May 2014 215 Retweets 37 favorites

TOD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4903928

Speaking of whining about another country and covering up Russia.. same poster.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
29. I remembered that because I posted on my phone.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:58 AM
Sep 2014

And it would've been more difficult to find the pictures (I would've done it on my phone if one of the Putinists made me). I was so glad that you did the groundwork there, because I knew I was right, but using my phone to post is so unwieldy. It really made me happy someone did the digging for me!

I never forget when someone backs me up when I'm posting via phone, because it really is a time saver. So many times I post one liner phone posts and people insult me and I don't feel like kicking their inane threads when I get to my PC, so I let it go, really frustrating that they think they won one when in actuality I don't want to kick their false posts to rebut them. Better to let their propaganda sink than to win an internet argument.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
31. I hear ya, josh.. I don't even have
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:46 AM
Sep 2014

or want a phone that does all that. It's just my laptop and I had just seen it posted on that May day on another site and then there was your post on DU.. with the "window open". Nice when something comes together like that to counteract the propaganda.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
32. Stupid smart phones.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:52 AM
Sep 2014

Mine is a $99 cricket phone but it's good enough to do it. No where near as easy though with other phones, it really is nearly impossible to even post. I shouldn't bother. But the propagandists or Obama haters are too hard not to respond to.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. Everything that is happening there is in response to the horrors committed by the Ukraine Govt
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:39 AM
Sep 2014

when they invaded Easter Ukraine and sent in their neo-nazi thugs to brutalize the people. It was not the East that invaded them, and the world has been reporting on the atrocities committed by the Kiev Govt for months. Except here where the Corporate Media, as can be expected, supports yet another brutal government and omits to tell the people here the truth. But unfortunately for the Corporate Media people have access to many other news sources now, most of them with a record of legitimacy that the Corporate Media doesn't have.

The Kiev Coup was assisted by neo nazis, its govt is corrupt, has already collapsed and the US is once again involved in yet another criminal enterprise.

Other reports this week once again, confirm the atrocities committed by the neo nazis in Eastern Ukraine as had been reported over the past several months. If the people there decided to retaliate, while not the best way to do so, seeing their family members murdered might cause that reaction in some people.

Fortunately the Kiev govt was forced by world wide condemnation to finally end the brutality against the East. Now hopefully there will be investigations and prosecutions right up to the top level of that government.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
14. You know UA is advancing when the Putinists spam.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:06 AM
Sep 2014

I'll note that the Putinists didn't post a damn thing about UA soldiers being beheaded by the rebels.

And no I won't post the gore here just google it if you want to see peoples heads in boxes.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
28. Onme of sure is worked up tonight
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:22 AM
Sep 2014

The rebels did "nothing", they were just home watching TV when the "coup" government following orders from the USA attacked them.



Give me a break. Attack and seize government buildings and start killing people the government will respond.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
30. UA is making impressive advances lately.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:01 AM
Sep 2014

You can expect the propaganda to increase ten fold as the pro-Russians lose ground. There's a reason there was another "aid convoy" recently. The pro-Russians are losing. They are quiet when the pro-Russians advance because it's largely a massacre and they can't be neutral and post the negative things the pro-Russians do. The attacks on Maripoul for example. No one here posted about that after Maripoul had a miles long human chain against aggression. It is pathetic.

I'll note the last attack on Maripoul was when the ceasefire ended. It enraged UA and the Ukrainian people. Totally uncalled for, but they want to build a land bridge to Crimea, that's their main goal as of this point.

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