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Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War CrimesBy Damien Sharkov
Ukrainian servicemen from the "Azov" battalion detain men at a site of battle with pro-Russian separatists in the eastern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol June 13, 2014. Osman Karimov/Pool/Reuters
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[font size=2]Groups of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists are committing war crimes in the rebel-held territories of Eastern Ukraine, according to a report from Amnesty International, as evidence emerged in local media of the volunteer militias beheading their victims.
Armed volunteers who refer to themselves as the Aidar battalion have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions, Amnesty said.
The organization has also published a report detailing similar alleged atrocities committed by pro-Russian militants, highlighting the brutality of the conflict which has claimed over 3,000 lives.
Amnestys statement came before images of what appeared to be the severed heads of two civilians started circulating on social media today, identified by Russian news channel NTV as the heads of rebel hostages.
Shortly after, Kiev-based news network Pravilnoe TV reported that it had spoken with one of the mothers of the victims who confirmed her son was a rebel, captured during fighting in Donetsk.[/font]
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http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604?piano_t=1
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-05
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Any who support war should be made to taste the bitterness before they venture their support.
To think any war will not have atrocities committed is a think that borders on insanity and must be purged from those with such ill minds.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)instead of rooting for one side and saying "well the pro-Russians are doing it too." Right? Because I keep noticing these stories getting the same reception from the same people, and it's basically a shrug and an oh-well, then they're off to the next thread talking about how Kiev is fighting the good fight.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The majority of the Ukrainian military is not doing this and just look at how the freed areas are now doing.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)by their own government for NO REASON and these thugs were sent there to commit atrocities in an effort to force them into submission. If there was a response to that, someone should have thought about the consequences of sending brutal thugs into a city to kill and brutalize innocent people before they allowed it to happen.
But then we're talking about a coup assisted by neo-nazis and then the installation of a Corporate Puppet whose government has collapsed as the world watches in horror.
Shamefully the US has played a huge role in all of this from the beginning.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Oh, wait...
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Cha
(297,322 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Cha
(297,322 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Oh, wait....
Cha
(297,322 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Care to post a map showing where either Russians or eastern Ukrainians are located in western Ukraine?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)thugs and retaliated after the murders of innocent people who have done nothing to warrant that criminal govt sending in its army to kill its own people, complete with neo-nazi thugs.
I wonder what would happen here if brutal thugs sent by a corrupt govt, think Bush, to kill and torture innocent people. I can guarantee there would be retaliation.
The perps who started all this are responsible for all of it, including any retaliatory actions taken against them.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Cha
(297,322 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Which basically destroys the cold war narrative NATO/EU/IMF and their media tools have established.
Cha
(297,322 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)response is retaliation and while wrong, I'm not sure what any of us would do if we saw our grandmothers murdered by a bunch of thugs. I wouldn't want anyone to respond in kind, but when you commit murder and mayhem you never know who is going to retaliate. The Kiev Govt is ultimately responsible for all of it and should never have been supported by this country. But is and will be no matter how many atrocities they commit. We have 'interests' there and innocent people don't seem to matter much when the US has 'interests'.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The rebels decapitated a bunch of UA guys' and were rumored to be mailing the heads to the fucking families. I shit you not. My rumor sources are Ukraine LJ's so I won't post them, but it's easy enough to find the pictures.
If you want to see heads in boxes.
So don't do it for your own sanity.
Cha
(297,322 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The pictures are of UA soldiers heads in wooden boxes, maybe apple crates, or some other fruit or vegetables. Very disturbing.
This report and others like it are a response to the pro-Russians being caught being savages. There is another pro-Russia report saying UA soldiers beheaded people but if you watch the whole thing (again not safe for life, NSFL), you don't see any decapitations whatsoever. Yes rebels died in that video but they were not desecrated or beheaded.
The propaganda is strong and it's only because we see that the UA is obliterating the rebel forces after the rebel forces broke the ceasefire by attacking Maripol.
Cha
(297,322 posts)this ugly shite. But, leave putin alone wah wah wah!
They try to cover up all of putin's atrocities and just point out anyone else's..no matter if it's in a response to atrocities committed against them or not.
I've never seen such a committed bunch of fans..
Lover boy..
Putin is a screaming homophobe..
In State Of The Nation Address, Putin Defends Anti-Gay Law
"MOSCOW (AP) Russian President Vladimir Putin used his state-of-the-nation address on Thursday to defend conservative values, referring obliquely to his government's anti-gay stance as he chided the West for treating "good and evil" equally.
Russia has faced Western criticism over a law banning "propaganda of non-traditional relations," which gay rights groups say has given a green light to harassment and intimidation. The law has prompted activists across the world to demand a boycott of the Winter Olympics in Sochi in February.
In his 70-minute televised speech from an ornate Kremlin hall, Putin pledged to defend traditional family values, which he said were the foundation of Russia's greatness and a bulwark against "so-called tolerance genderless and infertile."
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"Putin is believed to be a devout Christian" Yeah, we know all about those "devout Christians" who use hate in the name of Christ.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/putin-state-of-the-nation_n_4432001.html
Putins grip on the internet
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The precedent of persecuting bloggers to silence them was set in 2008, a year after a blogger Savva Terentyev criticised police in a comment on a LiveJournal post he was sentenced to one year suspended sentence, article 282 of Russian Criminal Code for, fomenting of social hatred towards policemen. Since then, article 282, which covers actions provoking animosity and hatred towards certain religious, social, gender or national groups has been used to silence bloggers through the courts.
The other charge commonly used against internet users is extremism . Throughout Putins reign this charge has been used to target people who criticise the Kremlin together with defamation and drug legislation. Russias Department of Presidential Affairs won three defamation lawsuits against newspaper Novaya Gazeta in just one week last year. All the articles talked about this authoritys controversial withdrawals from Russian budget and extremely high salaries of its staff. The editor-in-chief Dmitry Muratov told Index that Kremlin has been using defamation suits as a censorship instrument.
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Starting from 1 November 2012 Russian authorities wont need a court ruling, like they did in the Terentyev case. Authorities will appeal to ISPs, like in the Rumyantsev case, create website blacklists and will be able to actually shut down anything they wont like. Previously, a court ruling could make a website or the URL of a certain web content inaccessible in a specific region, while it stayed available in another.
Andrey Soldatov, an expert on Russian security services, notes that soon the Kremlin will have at its disposal the facilities for blocking access to internet resources across the whole of Russia, including Skype and Facebook."
http://uncut.indexoncensorship.org/2012/08/putins-russia-internet-censorship/
More recently..
snip// March 20, 2014
Putin ramps up Internet censorship, citing Google and Snowden to ensure public support
On March 13, a half-dozen highly trafficked opposition blogs and indie media outlets were suddenly blocked within Russia. The websites including the highly respected Ekho Moskvy radio station and the blog of popular nationalist opposition politician, Alexei Navalny received no notice of the impeding cutoff.
There was no court order, no trial, not even a public hearing. But theres no doubt the move was official: Roskomnadzor, Russias mass media and telecommunications regulator, very publicly announced it in a directive to Russian ISPs, explaining that access to these websites must be blocked for extremism and for encouraging people to attend unsanctioned protests in this case, against Russias annexation of Crimea.
This new formal power to unilaterally block access to any website comes via a brand new Internet censorship law that went into effect on February 1, 2014. Its called the Law of Lugovoi named after its author, State Duma Deputy Andrei Lugovoi, a scary ex-FSB officer-turned-Duma deputy who is better known as the prime suspect in the 2007 polonium assassination of Alexander Litvinenko in London.
Russia has refused to extradite Lugovoi to the UK to face trial and has instead allowed him to make a second career for himself as an ambitious legislator in Russias lower house of parliament. Lugovoi has put his personal stamp on plenty of bills, including ones that limit free speech and expand the power of the FSB. (Hes also know for periodically issuing veiled death threats against opposition politicians.)
http://pando.com/2014/03/20/putin-ramps-up-internet-censorship-citing-google-and-snowden-to-ensure-public-support/
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)On May Day, no less. And when called on it, they acted as if it wasn't a big deal. Oh, no, supporting fascist United Russia isn't a big deal. I also remember this year on May Day when actual neo-Nazi's marched in Russia. You were one of the few here who picked up on that and posted the pics.
Up is down and black is white to the Putinists, I swear to fuck. I literally, physically, either face palm or sigh out loud every time I see their nonsense posted.
Cha
(297,322 posts)Anne Applebaum @anneapplebaum
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One more time: yes, this National Socialist march took place today, legally, in St Petersburg. @svaboda
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May 1st in #Russia.Ppl with #nazi flags are welcomed, meanwhile ppl with #ukrainian flag are detained @TukvaSociopat
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4903928
Speaking of whining about another country and covering up Russia.. same poster.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And it would've been more difficult to find the pictures (I would've done it on my phone if one of the Putinists made me). I was so glad that you did the groundwork there, because I knew I was right, but using my phone to post is so unwieldy. It really made me happy someone did the digging for me!
I never forget when someone backs me up when I'm posting via phone, because it really is a time saver. So many times I post one liner phone posts and people insult me and I don't feel like kicking their inane threads when I get to my PC, so I let it go, really frustrating that they think they won one when in actuality I don't want to kick their false posts to rebut them. Better to let their propaganda sink than to win an internet argument.
Cha
(297,322 posts)or want a phone that does all that. It's just my laptop and I had just seen it posted on that May day on another site and then there was your post on DU.. with the "window open". Nice when something comes together like that to counteract the propaganda.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Mine is a $99 cricket phone but it's good enough to do it. No where near as easy though with other phones, it really is nearly impossible to even post. I shouldn't bother. But the propagandists or Obama haters are too hard not to respond to.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)when they invaded Easter Ukraine and sent in their neo-nazi thugs to brutalize the people. It was not the East that invaded them, and the world has been reporting on the atrocities committed by the Kiev Govt for months. Except here where the Corporate Media, as can be expected, supports yet another brutal government and omits to tell the people here the truth. But unfortunately for the Corporate Media people have access to many other news sources now, most of them with a record of legitimacy that the Corporate Media doesn't have.
The Kiev Coup was assisted by neo nazis, its govt is corrupt, has already collapsed and the US is once again involved in yet another criminal enterprise.
Other reports this week once again, confirm the atrocities committed by the neo nazis in Eastern Ukraine as had been reported over the past several months. If the people there decided to retaliate, while not the best way to do so, seeing their family members murdered might cause that reaction in some people.
Fortunately the Kiev govt was forced by world wide condemnation to finally end the brutality against the East. Now hopefully there will be investigations and prosecutions right up to the top level of that government.
malaise
(269,054 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I'll note that the Putinists didn't post a damn thing about UA soldiers being beheaded by the rebels.
And no I won't post the gore here just google it if you want to see peoples heads in boxes.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The rebels did "nothing", they were just home watching TV when the "coup" government following orders from the USA attacked them.
Give me a break. Attack and seize government buildings and start killing people the government will respond.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)You can expect the propaganda to increase ten fold as the pro-Russians lose ground. There's a reason there was another "aid convoy" recently. The pro-Russians are losing. They are quiet when the pro-Russians advance because it's largely a massacre and they can't be neutral and post the negative things the pro-Russians do. The attacks on Maripoul for example. No one here posted about that after Maripoul had a miles long human chain against aggression. It is pathetic.
I'll note the last attack on Maripoul was when the ceasefire ended. It enraged UA and the Ukrainian people. Totally uncalled for, but they want to build a land bridge to Crimea, that's their main goal as of this point.