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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:33 PM Sep 2014

"Orwellian"...I do not think it means what you think it means.

Warning: A pompous, long-winded, rambling exposition on abstract literary themes follows.

Pop quiz: What is the single most prominent cautionary theme in George Orwell's "1984"?

If you consume pop culture, news media, and have had a political conversation in the past few decades, you might easily say "The danger of a surveillance state." After all, you only ever hear the word "Orwellian" used to describe surveillance. In which case you would be totally, hopelessly wrong.

Saying that "1984" is a warning about surveillance would be like saying that "Dune" is a warning about sand: It's just part of the background setting, not the core concept of the literature. In fact, Orwell makes it painfully obvious what his novel is about: The corruption of language in service to power, particularly the direct inversion of meanings, perceptions, and thoughts under the coercion of fear.

Calling a pacifist political protester a "terrorist" is Orwellian. Using networked cameras to spy on them and collect information in a thousand different ways is just dickish and sinister, perhaps "Kafkaesque." And the former is a lot more dangerous and monstrous than the latter because it attacks the very foundations of human morality - basic respect for the truth and for the independent existence of reality beyond power.

The novel's antagonist, O'Brien, describes this in a long and demonic diatribe explaining that there is no truth or morality outside the will of power, and power is merely the capacity and will to destroy and inflict pain. By this thinking he can "magically" make 2 + 2 = 5 by inspiring such terror in his torture victims that they sincerely believe whatever they're told, even if it's a logical contradiction.

This concept of Orwell's - his definition of power as resting fundamentally in conscious Absolute Lies and Satanic moral inversions - is still so radical that it's not actually surprising that culture even today hasn't managed to digest it, and instead focuses on superficial trivia in the book. One might even see something unconsciously malevolent in the evasion, since it's heavily promoted in politics that "Orwellian" has something to do with surveillance rather than being about lies and torture. And the deflection is illustrated in the relative intensity of activism opposed to the NSA vs. things like police violence, racial profiling, torturous prisons, etc. etc. It's a distortion of priorities and understanding of where the everyday assaults on freedom come from.

Of course an Orwellian state uses pervasive surveillance, but the explicit technology is pretty much irrelevant: The Byzantine Empire was an Orwellian state a thousand years before the existence of any surveillance technology more advanced than networks of paid informants. The science of human degradation was taken to absurd extremes in many eras of this kingdom, even by Dark Age standards - torture was considered an exalted profession that could "correct" internal flaws in belief, not merely be used as a punishment or method of extracting information. Meanwhile, Britain - panopticon of thoroughly networked cameras and a totally unaccountable police state behind them - is, to all accounts, still a relatively pleasant and free place to live, just beset with crooks in uniforms lurking in the bushes as it were.

We can somewhat just hand-wave the distinction as the difference between authoritarianism and totalitarianism - one being the petty, ordinary police state tactics of pervasive surveillance and arbitrary enforcement, and the other being rooted in Orwellianism as described (or what the book calls "doublethink" - oscillating between mutually exclusive views of reality depending on which is convenient to power at any given moment). One can easily crop up through entropy and institutional decay (it's always easier to just increase the numerical density of information than to increase the intelligence with which information is processed), but the other requires sustained, malicious effort by a radical and hate-driven political agenda.

That was something I first noticed about George W. Bush when he came to (read: seized) power - he inverted the plain meanings of words. I don't just mean he abused them or used them in corrupt ways - I mean he used them to mean their perfect opposites. The same was with Rupert Murdoch's media empire behind him, most obviously Fox News. In "1984," the motto of the totalitarian state is "War is Peace. Slavery is Freedom. Ignorance is Strength."

This was literally the ideological basis of Bush's extra-legal shadow state, pieces of which continue under more rationalized and (speciously) legalistic terms. But in the Bush era itself, there were no laws - he (or more often Cheney) spoke, and the instruments of power obeyed, and anyone in the government who didn't obey and couldn't be fired was simply ignored and/or savaged in the monolithic media.

Which isn't to say there were no limits to the power of that "constitutional interregnum state" 2001-2009, but all limits were practical in nature rather than based on laws or human moral principles: If they couldn't force people to obey something, most often they just didn't try. But if they could, no written law, international treaty, or post-WW2 human rights principle written in stone would stop them, and they would rub it in the faces of the world, O'Brien-style, that they wielded this power and no one could stop them. They took clear pleasure in the telling of bald-faced lies that no one subordinate to their media organs would dare challenge, just to wallow in the impunity of it. Most of us recall that sneering loon who gleefully ridiculed the weakness of Democrats for our "reality-based politics" - a concept they all made clear they considered nonsensical and beneath contempt. That was Orwellian.

The old bully refrain of "Quit hittin' yerself" is Orwellian. The Putin regime taking perverse, Lynchian pleasure in making up the most preposterous stories imaginable for its naked crimes is Orwellian (thousands of Russian soldiers in tanks took a vacation into Eastern Ukraine and accidentally massacred Ukrainian troops and civilians, took over their territory, and are holding that territory for, uh, environmental reasons, har-har). The Kremlin's position that every scrap of land on Earth with a single Russian speaker on it is sovereign Russian territory because Dear Leader says so, but people who fight back and elect leaders who don't do what the Kremlin says are "fascists"...Orwellian.

It's just a word, but it's a word with a powerful concept that arms freedom-loving people who understand it to resist tyrants who otherwise seem to wield magical mind-control powers over both their followers and enemies. An Orwellian person hijacks and mimics the system of communication that binds human beings together, uses it to divide, sow fear and dissension among their enemies, sabotage and sap the will to oppose them, and make their followers into zombies (or at least turn mindless jerks who are already zombies into a well-organized horde thereof). And an Orwellian state doesn't merely lie because it's convenient (that's pretty much all states) - it lies because the individuals in power are clinically psychotic and take personal pleasure in the act of lying, and do so even when it's counterproductive to their agenda.

Plus, you know, reading comprehension...it's annoying when people abuse literature.

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"Orwellian"...I do not think it means what you think it means. (Original Post) True Blue Door Sep 2014 OP
Kudos for reading Orwell, but now some darts for missing some context. Pholus Sep 2014 #1
Bullshit isn't doublespeak. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #6
It helps to understand that the NSA's operational mode CAME from the Bushies. Pholus Sep 2014 #23
It's because NSA is about control, not power. It's Kafkaesque. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #30
I don't think deciding a different aspect is more important in his work muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #2
Insisting that language be self-consistent is not "control." True Blue Door Sep 2014 #7
Who are you to tell others how they must use the word 'Orwellian'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #11
+1 There are many aspects of "Orwellianism." woo me with science Sep 2014 #22
Brawndo's got what plants crave. valerief Sep 2014 #3
That's "thought-terminating cliche." Also an example of Orwellian programming. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #9
I agree about Judge being a genius. And I knew this wasn't an example valerief Sep 2014 #31
Interesting observations. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #4
Well Done, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #5
The misuse of the term Orwellian comes from people not reading the book Blecht Sep 2014 #8
I'm not certain what's obvious to most people. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #12
Um...vote? randome Sep 2014 #10
Huh? True Blue Door Sep 2014 #13
Like most of this country's problems, all can be solved if people simply band together and vote. randome Sep 2014 #17
We did vote the bastards out of office. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #18
And here I thought it meant a fear of rats.... Moonwalk Sep 2014 #14
I'm happy to see someone so excited about having read and understood a book. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #24
Authoritarian-Totalitarian (Abuser) rulerships are those who use full force Orwellian-speak. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #15
Good analogy. I agree there's a parallel with domestic violence. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #25
Oppressor is a more accurate description of Abuser personality, I realized after I posted. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #34
Yes. And cultivating these "higher" instincts will require more attention and focus. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #35
I must say Thespian2 Sep 2014 #16
Don't need to look very far to find examples of supposed Progressives embracing harun Sep 2014 #19
Indeed - only need to look as far as your avatar. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #26
Che didn't use that method. He was a grass roots peoples revolution guy. harun Sep 2014 #32
He spoke the rhetoric of people's revolution. What he brought was autocracy. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #33
Language that I find offensive and confusing shadowmayor Sep 2014 #20
"Enhanced interrogation." True Blue Door Sep 2014 #27
speaking of confusing language... deafskeptic Sep 2014 #28
Ethnic Cleansing Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #38
This Is One of the Best Things I've Ever Read on DU cer7711 Sep 2014 #21
Excellent post. K&R Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #29
Almost as annoying as overused hyperbole and melodrama. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #36
Reek is born. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #37

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
6. Bullshit isn't doublespeak.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 05:39 PM
Sep 2014

It's not the same thing to be a dishonest jerk and to be someone who compulsively says the perfect opposite of reality.

Someone in authority says "Our enhanced security program enables officials to detect and ward off terrorist incidents," the rational reaction is "You're full of shit. I'm suing, you douchebag."

If authority says, "The Freedom Plus Program keeps track of you via our Freedom Network in order to protect your Freedom, because we at the Freedom Bureau love Freedom" you know the state is under the control of a serial killer and atrocities are either imminent or already underway.

This isn't hyperbole - it happened. Bush's people talked like that constantly. They would essentially punch you in the face on camera and then say "I am not punching you in the face," and threaten your family and employer if you publicized the video, because they got off on the pettiest exercise of tyranny. They would edit official transcripts of press conferences, then claim that the media were lying if anyone challenged the edits, then try to revoke press credentials from those who wouldn't play along, then would plant hired felons as fake press to ask scripted questions...on, and on, and on.

They got away with it because too many people just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that it was something fundamentally different and darker than ordinary politics.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
23. It helps to understand that the NSA's operational mode CAME from the Bushies.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:40 PM
Sep 2014

Their senior leadership...also Bushies. They kept their jobs during the change in administrations, and that is....curious....to me.

I completely agree with everything you wrote, mind you, but I claim that what we are TOLD is protection from terrorists has a secondary purpose that is actually the primary purpose.

PNAC wrote truthfully about what the goal was, and 9/11 provided the excuse to implement it.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
30. It's because NSA is about control, not power. It's Kafkaesque.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:24 PM
Sep 2014

A larger, Hydra-like version of Hoover's FBI. It doesn't have an agenda other than itself and, probably, the petty personal interests of its bureaucracy - but you're right that it does enable the criminal agendas of anyone in power who will compromise themselves for a share in its information. It can then use that to force that element's enemies to do the same to maintain balance. Again, like Hoover's FBI.

Untangling it's webs is something like step #11 in a process we haven't even really begun, so I find emphasis on NSA to be counterproductive - like planning an Oscar speech before you've gotten the part.

The first Gordian Knot that has to be figured out is the Supreme Court and Congress, and neither can be handled separately. The Five on the Court who now rewrite our Constitution out of wholecloth are allowing unelected GOP Congresses to rule, and the GOP Congresses would obstruct any subsequent Obama SCOTUS nominations - and already obstruct attempts to fill the rest of the vacant seats in the courts. There will be no dealing with the NSA without the Courts and Congress, and the difficulty of the problem doesn't give us a pass to skip it. And even with the Courts and Congress, the White House is probably necessary to keep.

And then, having climbed that Everest, the NSA would still have a dragon's hoard of blackmail material over pretty much everyone in government in all three branches on all levels (nobody wants to be the next Elliot Spitzer), so then you have to figure that out. Once you do, then you have to figure out how to perform open-heart surgery on a worldwide security state whose beneficiaries have almost certainly engineered it to collapse into chaos if they're removed.

I'm not really sure it's worth it, or even possible - I'm not aware of any state that went this far and managed to claw its way back to a genuinely transparent state. It's not like the NSA is the only massive parasite riding this country that we're not likely to bring to heel (e.g., Wall Street, the Pentagon).

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
2. I don't think deciding a different aspect is more important in his work
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:55 PM
Sep 2014

or using the word to describe more than one aspect is 'abuse' of literature.

Ironically, you seem to want to control language ...

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
7. Insisting that language be self-consistent is not "control."
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 05:51 PM
Sep 2014

It's denial of control to madmen who would seize it through doublespeak. You're basically saying I should somehow acknowledge the equivalent reality of logical impossibilities that deliberately preclude any meaningful dialogue.

Everything is mere opinion, right? So it's not actually true that a video showing Generalissimo X torturing random victims for fun in fact shows that. His interpretation of it - emphasized by publicly executing the journalists who released the video - that it really shows him rescuing a crowd of orphans from a burning building, is an equally valid interpretation. Who am I to say that my lying eyes are the absolute and final word in what constitutes psychopathic torture vs. heroic orphan-rescue?

Who am I to say that an apple isn't really an orange, or a peach, or a fricking Volkswagen?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
11. Who are you to tell others how they must use the word 'Orwellian'?
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:22 PM
Sep 2014

'1984' does have much about a surveillance state in it, as well as about control of thoughts. It is not 'hopelessly wrong' to associate the word with both.

"You're basically saying I should somehow acknowledge the equivalent reality of logical impossibilities that deliberately preclude any meaningful dialogue. "

No, that is a complete misreading of what I wrote. I objected to you calling the use of 'Orwellian' to describe a surveillance state as 'abuse' of literature. It's not abuse; it's a difference of opinion with you. But your attempt to try to restrict the word to the one meaning you think it should have is, in a minor example of your own definition, 'Orwellian'. Syme on Newspeak:

"Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten."

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. +1 There are many aspects of "Orwellianism."
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:29 PM
Sep 2014

Oceania is a richly developed world.

This seems like a strained attempt to elevate one aspect of the portrayed dystopia and disregard the rest.

Ironically, as you said, a way to limit the meaning and usefulness of the word...

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
9. That's "thought-terminating cliche." Also an example of Orwellian programming.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:05 PM
Sep 2014

Not quite as potent as doublethink, but more commonplace. Very popular with religions and militaries, who inculcate certain phrases as incantations against troublesome questions and individualistic thoughts. The phenomenon showed up a lot in the trials of Nazi war criminals.

BTW, hilarious movie. Mike Judge is an underappreciated genius.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
31. I agree about Judge being a genius. And I knew this wasn't an example
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:57 PM
Sep 2014

of what you were saying, but it's such an oft-used tactic in brainwashing, I thought I'd throw it out there. Thanks for telling me its name.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
8. The misuse of the term Orwellian comes from people not reading the book
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:04 PM
Sep 2014

If people read 1984, the point is obvious.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
12. I'm not certain what's obvious to most people.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:37 PM
Sep 2014

Most people don't enjoy thinking, so a lot of things fly way above or way below their radar.

And there are some legitimate misunderstandings to be had if you just read 1984 and don't think about it - like overemphasizing the fact that Oceania is specifically a Socialist state.

You run into some conservative-leaning...*cough*..."intellectuals"...who have read 1984 and see all the stuff about doublethink and torture as subordinate themes to a general warning against "Big Government," like there's some direct analogy between the Stalinist Soviet Union and Canadian healthcare, for instance.

And the natural paranoia of a lot of those types lends itself to the emphasis on surveillance over language and violence. Plus there's a movie which does a right hatchet-job of making it all about cameras and TV screens, so the semi-literate who don't read (or don't read closely) but are willing to watch movies based on good books have a certain skew on it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. Like most of this country's problems, all can be solved if people simply band together and vote.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:45 PM
Sep 2014

If you tend to see authoritarianism everywhere you look (and I'm not saying that you do), then you cede more and more power to them.

Why don't we simply vote the bastards out of office? Simple in concept but it never works out well in execution except in a very limited sense. Why is that?
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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
18. We did vote the bastards out of office.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:57 PM
Sep 2014

Then we let them seize Congress back through vote suppression, prison districting, and now coming up in November, Jim Crow 2.0. They could theoretically take the Senate while earning a minority of votes, same as they took the House under the same circumstances in 2012. And we blame Democratic leaders for our not "motivating" us like children to defend our own freedom.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
14. And here I thought it meant a fear of rats....
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:40 PM
Sep 2014


"This concept of Orwell's - his definition of power as resting fundamentally in conscious Absolute Lies and Satanic moral inversions - is still so radical that it's not actually surprising that culture even today hasn't managed to digest it...."


I don't know about culture, but I managed to digest it very well when I first read the book back in high school (psst, it really wasn't that hard to digest. I know you want to think it is, but it's pretty easy when you're in high school. Double speak is all you get from your parents ). So, either I'm a prodigy with radical thinking--all right! good on me --or you're underestimating a lot of people's ability to digest something that was radical and, really, is not so much any more (sad but true).

As for it's "misuse," my presumption is that people digested one radical aspect and added in others, expanding the meaning. Which everyone does with language. Is there some reason it can't mean all those things? It's not like Orwell himself defined it, so it really could apply to anything within the book. The whole situation of 1984 is Orwellian simply because it was written by Orwell. What else could it be? I mean, isn't limiting the definition this way rather like saying that "Shakespearian" only relates to lofty plays, but not to all that is in the plays written by Shakespeare?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
24. I'm happy to see someone so excited about having read and understood a book.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:52 PM
Sep 2014

But not much that I've seen in general political dialogues suggests widespread knowledge of Orwell. In common discussion, Orwell = cameras and TVs. That's it. "Orwellian" = surveillance. No mention or intimation of any deeper significance, certainly not an "expanded" significance. The general understanding of 1984 has more to do with the John Hurt movie than the book, and is often mixed up in a stew of confusion with other movies based on Kafka and Philip K. Dick. Some people actually think The Matrix is an Orwell adaptation.

Yes, you could hear about 1984 in middle school, high school, or college lectures. You could read about it on Wikipedia. You could read printed discussions about it. But the availability of information is not a measure of social penetration, and certainly has nothing to do with the talents and insights of average people.

I'm not underestimating people because I'm not estimating them in the first place - it's a direct statement of experience with culture and politics. Most people in this country have not read 1984; most people who have read it, have only the vaguest impression of it; of those who maybe did get it at the time, they don't remember it very well; of those who do remember it, most have never given it a second thought since then; of those who have thought about it, most think it's about being spied on, because that's an easier concept than doublethink and power-as-reality.

"The whole situation of 1984 is Orwellian simply because it was written by Orwell. What else could it be?"

Could it be that it refers to the themes that make his work distinctive? I.e., the grounds for making a distinction in the first place, and the reason the label "Orwellian" has held in the culture despite its meaning losing focus?

Orwellian themes are ironically individualistic - about the evil individual who craves absolute power, their valuation of lying and violence as ends in themselves, and the type of states they create around themselves. Whereas, by contrast, the impersonal state is more a Kafkaesque theme. The false associations I see all the time confuse Orwellian with Kafkaesque. Invisible forces behind ubiquitous surveillance states who strike with arbitrary violence and operate on unwritten rules are the sort of thing Kafka dealt with. It's neo-medieval. Orwell is more primal - the jarring, hellish intrusion of the reptile into the fabric of human consciousness.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
15. Authoritarian-Totalitarian (Abuser) rulerships are those who use full force Orwellian-speak.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:40 PM
Sep 2014

We hear much about Facism and Plutocracy today, but nothing about the real term for our current state of rulership, Authoritarian-Totalitarianism (Abusers).

Abusers employ double-speak in order to cause their victims to question their own truth/reality. Eventually the victims do not know the difference between their truth/reality or lies/delusion of the Abuser. It then becomes easy for the Abuser to elicit total control over their victim. This is a classic Abuser-Victim dynamic. Classic projection of the Abusers insanity onto their, often innocent, victim. This is called Socio/Psychopathy. In order for Abusers to disown their insanity, they must project it onto others. Abuse is Insanity.

Blame the victim, is Orwellian.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
25. Good analogy. I agree there's a parallel with domestic violence.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:07 PM
Sep 2014

The compulsiveness of it, the repeated acting out of predator/prey dynamics, the editing of history and rewiring of victim emotions to redefine themselves as always being at fault.

Orwellian psychopaths create a state that's indistinguishable from Hell: The victim cannot possibly be right or do anything to avoid punishment. They're simply an object to absorb what's going on in the psychopath's head.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
34. Oppressor is a more accurate description of Abuser personality, I realized after I posted.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:25 PM
Sep 2014

Gaslighting is a good term to describe the transference of the Oppressor's insanity onto its victim. It consists of one act of Orwellian behavior followed by many many more until the victim is a shell of their former selves. It is insidiousness at its core.

This is a tactic used by the ruling elite, who are insane. We learn from our leaders, these crazy ways of being.

In order to return to sanity, as an individual and society we must begin to cultivate the higher emotions we once had. Compassion, caring, empathy, sympathy, wisdom, discernment, honesty, kindness, true generosity, intellect, intuition are the healers.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
35. Yes. And cultivating these "higher" instincts will require more attention and focus.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:47 PM
Sep 2014

Less distraction, less economically imposed "multi-tasking" that forces people to be shallow. Recognition that some moral qualities need sustained, full attention to really grow to fruition.

harun

(11,348 posts)
19. Don't need to look very far to find examples of supposed Progressives embracing
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:57 PM
Sep 2014

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double speakers instead of calling them on it.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
20. Language that I find offensive and confusing
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:22 PM
Sep 2014

Too True TBD!

Collateral Damage - horrible euphemism for death of innocents
Burn a village to save a village - huh?
We are not an occupying force, we are a liberating force; as in OIL which became OIF
Pro-democracy - ask Chile, Iran, Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela and many many more how that's working out for them when the Pro-Democracy USA come a callin'???
Fight them over there . . .
Fair and Balanced!

I could go on and on, but thought I'd get this mash-up started.

The Shadow Mayor

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
27. "Enhanced interrogation."
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:26 PM
Sep 2014

That particular term is propaganda so egregious it doesn't even pretend to make an argument, just spits right in your face that psychotic, treasonous criminals are in control of the information source you're accessing.

Not strictly doublespeak - it would have to be something like "Love Care" or "Happy Time" to really qualify - but certainly Orwellian in that it's done for no practical reason other than to stomp on the face of the reader.

Of course in Bush times there were a ton of sickening terms with the word "Freedom" thrown in just to turn the knife in the republic. "Operation Enduring Freedom," "Operation Iraqi Freedom," "Freedom fries," etc. etc. Sick pricks.

deafskeptic

(463 posts)
28. speaking of confusing language...
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:35 PM
Sep 2014

When I first heard of "Right to Work" I thought it a wonderful phrase until I learned what it actually meant. That phrase still gives a sour taste in my mouth.

BTW, I love your examples. Anyone else have good examples?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
36. Almost as annoying as overused hyperbole and melodrama.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:56 PM
Sep 2014

"...it's annoying when people abuse literature."

Almost as annoying as overused hyperbole and melodrama.

Plus, you know premise-supporting evidence-conclusion.

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